You weren't ignored..
You just gave out good reasons, so no one anted to debate!

But I still say the Rap from nowadays SUX!!

Oh yeah, another point to add to the flamming of rap. My sis was watching Missy Elliot's newest video and a bunch of others on TV and I just gotta ask; is it cool to dance like you're having a seizure?? Really, I'm not joking, just seeing them dance, I thought they were have a syncronized (sp) seizure. I look at my sister and see her doing the same thing on the couch. Don't get me wrong, I could care less if they dance, but what they are doing now doesn't count as dancing IMO. It just looks like they're having a seizure.

[quote:post_uid0="Selvin"]Oh yeah, another point to add to the flamming of rap. My sis was watching Missy Elliot's newest video and a bunch of others on TV and I just gotta ask; is it cool to dance like you're having a seizure?? Really, I'm not joking, just seeing them dance, I thought they were have a syncronized (sp) seizure. I look at my sister and see her doing the same thing on the couch. Don't get me wrong, I could care less if they dance, but what they are doing now doesn't count as dancing IMO. It just looks like they're having a seizure.[/quote]
hum.....that's a choregraphy( is it written right?) choregraphy are all like that.......do U think people will do the same in clubs.......hell no!!!!! we c-walk and all those other dance.......try to c-walk on a rock song :biggrin:

did u said ur black? and u hate rap ? j/k
but uh.. how could sum1 actually LIKE rock it sux think bout blink 182, linkin park, and that other gay band which name i dont remember..
anyway no #### bout nelly he's a master man
and so is 2pac (tupac2westsider dont get glad)
ok ok airforces ones suck but all his songs rule !!!
other rappers i like :
Eminem
Nas
Clipse
P.Diddy
Dr. Dre
N.E.R.D the whole gang
Lil Bow Wow
etc etc
rock just sux ;)

Can you actually debate instead of just saying rock sucks and is gay?? Give reasons why...

i said why rap rules ..
rock i just dont like it .. and i couldnt like it

Well, what an answer. You just don't like it. I am intriguied (sp) by the great detail you have taken in saying why. Is it just me or do the majority of you hate rock just because it isn't the "cool" thing today?? Because the majority of the people I ask can't give a reason much less a good one. ???

Selvin, its cause all your talking about is commercial Rap. You know, what you actually see on MTV or the Radio.

I remember when Rock was commercial, there was guys with long hair, chicks dancing around the band members, guys on face paint and rock stars doing heroin. Now that was how rock was when it " WAS POPULAR" and you would see people wearing what the rock stars were wearing.

Rap is just going through its commercial stage like every kind of music has been through.

All you know about rap is what you actually see on TV or Radio, you oviously dont know whats in the underground of stuff. Just like with rock, it got popular back in the days because of all the Long hair, Face paint, hot chicks, big concerts and total madness. Rock is over its commercial stage, it will one day rise through the music charts and become commercial again.

Then you going to make a topic that says "Why is Rock so stupid" because really the best talent is really hidden. Almost none of the bands that you have mentioned and stuff i dont even know? Its because you dont like commercial Rock, you like the underground stuff is dosent get much publicity.

One day rap will be over with its commercial stage and one day be as maybe rock is, faiding away.................But as in any music, it comes back and leaves just like that.

So dont hate rap, just cause you dont have a taste for what it actually is such as the history, where it come from, who you make it then you really cant say anything because its coming from ignorence. Its better to have an understandment of all kinds of music than just hating on all the music you havent even experienced.

And you cant say im a Rock hater because i know how to play the guitar, i like spanish rock. It might not be the same languege but its the same stuff just not in english. I like Jaguares, Molotov, Caradura, Enanitos Verdes, Brujeria, control machete and a buch of music. So im not ignorent to the music, is why i dont hate on rock because i actually know what it is about.

Rock Vs. Rap...........

I hate none of them, but i like rap better because of free expresion. I can play the guitar, but its never the same as always speaking out on what needs to be told. Tho i do love to play the guitar :buttrock:

[quote:post_uid0="Ludacris"][quote:post_uid0="Selvin"]Oh yeah, another point to add to the flamming of rap. My sis was watching Missy Elliot's newest video and a bunch of others on TV and I just gotta ask; is it cool to dance like you're having a seizure?? Really, I'm not joking, just seeing them dance, I thought they were have a syncronized (sp) seizure. I look at my sister and see her doing the same thing on the couch. Don't get me wrong, I could care less if they dance, but what they are doing now doesn't count as dancing IMO. It just looks like they're having a seizure.[/quote]
hum.....that's a choregraphy( is it written right?) choregraphy are all like that.......do U think people will do the same in clubs.......hell no!!!!! we c-walk and all those other dance.......try to c-walk on a rock song :biggrin:[/quote]
lol nicley said luda when i saw the video selvin wont nothing wrong. But did u see them 2 lil girls busting them hot moves like whoa.
Blossom yep she's right to some rappers will actually dance and do a hot move. Not many rockers do or can dance.
Tupac that was perfect couldnt have said it better myself.
ps. Took u rap lovers long enough to get here i was getting crushed by the rock boys. lol nah j/k :biggrin:

Let's see...what is there to say...

I think just about everything has been covered.

I admire how rap artists speak so fast and manage to come up with those witty ryhmes, but I must agree with Selvin with the inappropriate phrases and seizure dancing. I found the seizure dancing comment pretty funny...by the way what happened to Missy Elliot--she get the fat sucked outta her?

Anyway to be a rapper one does have to have a lot of talent, but it's not singing. I prefer singing over talking when I listen to music, so I prefer rock over rap.

weezer!

You're right on that. I think if I meet Andrew W.K. I'd probably run. :D

Not nessacarily (sp). Rock's popular days were around Nirvana and the Grunge moment. I didn't see chicks dancing up and down in grunge videos and grunge was the thing at the time.

Uhh, how do I put this. I do like mainstream rock. Some of my favourite bands are on Top 40 radio.

I'd never call you a rock hater because you make up your opinions instead of just sayin "RoCk iS gAy"

Real Rappers are poets that show there lifestlyes or feelings through words that have a rhyme to them.

Those guys you see KKS are just stupid ass posers.

Yes, a mouth full of metal...is some stupid S.H.I.T.

Ebonics, is a lazy way to talk unless you understand Ghetto talk you shouldn't comment.

Du Rags=Have a very good use KKS it helps produce styling hair for african americans.You know waves,or when someone has cornrolls......useless for cajuns to wear s it seems useless to you.

Bandanas=Symbolize gangs...that is the only use for them....and they match good with some clothes....

People become rappers because it's a dream to be famous......also some people drop out of school,and look at rap as there only chance for QUICK MAJOR success.



Rockers...Every rocker I've seen tell there lifestyles or story in a way that matches there tempo...must rockers I've seen carry a guitar....or maybe thats just something I've only seen.





Oh to make this interesting I'm joining the losing side..... ROCK...*dumdumDUM* :lookaround:

***Tupacwestsider,and gang SMACKS THE HELL OUT OF SBYRD5****

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I know what will turn this debate around....

"GUNS AND ROSES".

I mean atleast the in Gun and Roses wore a KFC container over his head,and not pull up his pant leg.

PULLING UP ONE PANT LEG=This means another man owns you....so unless your a girl....all you rap lovers should stop with that...because it makes you look like your attracted to mean....this is fact.

Oh and tupac great points.

(This is fun) :laughlong:

well sby, unless sum1 becomes the next tupac, what KKS said, thats what pple are gonna think of rappers.

Well as i said, its just a trend right now. but later it will all be gone, and we are going to be old guys dressed all G'ed out while our children will be lisening to Futuristic music.

Then Old Selvin will make a topic "Rock Vs. Futuristic Music, Ye old debate". :)

I think most of you are judging due to ignorence. All that youve seen of rap is what you see in Main Stream. When rock was getting off people were all against Rock.

It all starts off in the 50's after the war and sub-burbs were just getting started in the east and were going strong to the west. Teenagers that were living in the sub-burbs felt bored after moving out of the city having nothing to do. Well there was this new craze sweeping the nation throw the radio named "Rock'N'Roll" and a new artist has pop his ugly face, "Elvis the Pelvis". Parents automaticly thought it was evil because of the way he moved his hips, looked, and signed. Even tho this started the wave of new music all over the nations for years to come.

The reason of this little leason is.............

There will aways be haters to music, rock or rap. Its nothing new that parents or that one bitch "tippy gore" will be against the new genaration of youth that comes out. Rap's genaration is right now, rocks was about 20 years ago.

If you understand where rap came from and what it actually means to the "Black community" you would understand more what Rap actually is. 100 years of diversity, racisum, political activists and slavery has made rap what it is today(not what you see on TV). Rap is a combination of Gospel, Blues, and poetry.

You guys see WAY TO MUCH TV!!!!!!!!!!! When i hear about Rock stars and there crazy stories of "Money, Groupies, Drugs, Backstage parties and lots of sex" thats all people see of rock to. Rap isnt the only ones that have a bad rep, rock also is in the problem but its just not as main stream no more.

TuPac, that was probably the best giving explanation in this whole Thread!

But there are some Mistakes you made...
I don't hate RaP because it is COMMERCIAL raP, I hate it because of the lyrics..

But then again, if you look at it from my View, I also hate a LOT tyPes of Rock..
I mean a LOT!!!

And I also DO like raP still(yes, iot's a big surPrise), so I'm not saying which is better cuz it's ONLY my oPinion, but I "ENJOY" Rock more!

[quote:post_uid0="asshole"]TuPac, that was probably the best giving explanation in this whole Thread!

But there are some Mistakes you made...
I don't hate RaP because it is COMMERCIAL raP, I hate it because of the lyrics..

But then again, if you look at it from my View, I also hate a LOT tyPes of Rock..
I mean a LOT!!!

And I also DO like raP still(yes, iot's a big surPrise), so I'm not saying which is better cuz it's ONLY my oPinion, but I "ENJOY" Rock more![/quote]
I understand the lyrics are bad, i dont know if anyone has told you but "I FREAKEN HATE ALL OF THIS COMMERCIAL RAP STUFF!!!!!!" Like.............

Ludacris
Cash Money
Eminem
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

Thats what the "bubble gum" affect takes place im main stream. The gum(or song) tastes good for a little while, but then it loses its flavor and you throw it way. Thats the kind of wack rap, but its popular because we are going through the Rap Era. One day this "Rap Era" will be gone and dead, but some how the true meaning of rap will always be around.

You can hate one rap, just keep in mind that it will never be around for a long time. I remember when "House Music" was around :laugh:

That #### sucked as hell, everyone always liked to buy this one CD that eveyone had "house'o Holics" lol :laugh:

Not all rap is bad. why does everybody think that all rap songs are bad and should be banned from society. there is good rap and bad rap. there is good rock and bad rock. i hear some of yall say that rap lyrics are bad and degrading. and i quote "NOT ALL RAP IS BAD" ;)

Well, time for my two cents.

In my opinion, rap is...well...crap. No offense to any rap fans here, but I can't stand it. First off, for the most part, my 13-year-old brother can come up with better lyrics. They sit there and "rap" about the dumbest shiznit in every song. Next, for the most part you can't even tell what the hell they're saying. The last part is the most important one, by the way:

They don't make their own MUSIC. The background music is mostly synthesized, with drums. The beat is repetitive. I've analyzed a bunch of rap songs. Throughout the ENTIRE songs, it's the same beat over and over and over again. Many times it's a single pound of the bass drum over and over. It's so repetitive, it's boring. Rap makes me tired, in all seriousness. If I want to fall asleep, I'll listen to rap, because the boring repetitiveness just knocks me out.

Rock, on the other hand, is more alive. You can't beat the feeling you get when your favorite song comes on. Rock lyrics don't sound like they were made up spur-of-the-moment as they were recording the song. They don't talk about getting drunk and toking up blunts and fcuking bitches all day long. They have stories or themes or REAL messages behind them, and they're not what I just said above. Also, the sheer force of the electric guitar and bass wakes me up. It's heavy, it's electric, and it gets my adrenaline pumping. If I hear a good song from Andrew WK, Rammstein (especially Du Hast), Disturbed, or especially Metallica, i get pumped up. It's not the same repetitive underlying beat like rap, but it's a smorgesboard of guitar and bass and drums and sometimes keyboard. Let me use an example:

When I used to lift weights in high school, we'd get in there and someone would either throw on a rock CD, or turn to a good rock station. Once a few good rock songs would come on, everyone would be pumped up. For me, if I hear a good guitar riff, I'm good to go. I'm pumped up. My adrenaline is going. I find that I have more weightlifting endurance while listenint to some good rock. Then some white boy assclown wannabe wearing FUBU runs over and throws on a rap CD. The effects are almost immediate. Everyone slows down. Gets more sluggish. We tire out faster. The repetitive beat just knocks ppl out. Another example:

At my work (a truck unloader for a retail store), most of my co-workers like rap better than rock, including my supervisor. However, as of late, when we'd be getting bigger trucks filled with heavier shiznit, he'd tell me to throw on one of my rock CDs or rock mixes. It's because while listening to rap, most of the ppl back there will slow down to the point of flat-out laziness. What should take them 30 seconds instead takes them 2 minutes. Once the rock music turns on, the pace is increased dramatically. We're moving faster. We're working harder. I myself can work longer, harder, and faster than normally. Rock music gives me (and most other rock fans) a sort of energy that can't be described. I get more awake, more alert. A 200-pound marble table that would have given me trouble lifting is now being carried around with ease.

Then some ppl are like "oh, well you can't dance to rock. Rap is better for dancing." Screw dancing. Dancing is mad gay. This one wannabe who used to work back with us used to try to dance, saying he was like the best dancer in his school or some ########. What he said it took him a year to learn to do, I replicated it in about a minute with minimal mistakes. Personally, unless a guy is doing a slow dance with a hot chick or girlfriend (so he'd have a better chance of getting a little some-some), he shouldn't be dancing. As far as parties go, parties nowadays are gay. All they are is a ########load of posers who play rap all nite and get drunk and get leid. That's not a party. I don't know why ppl call them parties. They should be called orgies or drunkfests. Not parties. Very few ppl nowadays know how to throw a REAL party, with some rock music, food, and SOME beer/alcohol, with a pool table and/or a foozball table, and a FEW hot chicks. Overall there should be no more than like 10-15 ppl, instead of the 50+ person house crashers we've got nowadays.

Overall, considering lyrical content, and especially the beat of the music, rock wins, hands-down. I see NO argument.

PS: besides, rock came first. Without artists like the Rolling Stones, the Beetles, Otis Day and the Knights and Elvis Presley, there would be no rock music, no rap music, no techno, rave, disco, country, folk, ANYTHING. So I think we all owe something to rock music. Ya can't beat the father of all music.... :buttrock: :buttrock:

rock is cool,nice sing-along-music and nice beats,while rap is urbin and cool as well

so igo with



RAP

Well I do pretty much agree with Tupac except for the fact that I do hear some underground rap groups that are good. In a sense, that is my point. I've always liked mainstream and underground rock bands, but I seem to only like underground rap groups. 99% of the rap artists I've seen that are stars now have sold out in one way or another.

is avril lavigne a rocker ? if so i only like her..he is a sk8er boi she said see you later boi he wasnt good enuf fo her.. :D

She is punk-pop, so she is mainstream and "acceptable" to be played on radio hourly. Who cares though, she's as hot as hell!! :buttrock:

Selvin, its Pop-Punk!

And she's not HOT, she just looks a BIT good!
She ONLY looks good, cuz she's famous!

lol, avri lavigne hot? she's a sk8terboi wannabe. she tries to dress up like a boy and looks like a bisexual. my school's full of a bunch of stupid cheerleader types who listen to her. she involves pop and i do not like it.

:shocked: Nantuko! What the hell!
Look that is just u, u may get pumped up by rock and not rap
put it is not like that on everyone. I know tons of raps songs that get ppl crunked up. And that whole rock, and hearing a good guitar riff gives u a Boost in strength LOL whatever :laughlong:

Ounce again we dont rap about drugs and hoe's 24/7. And whats this? U dont believe anyone in this forum can get a alive feeling out of rap? Rappers taek the time to sit and write things down.
Not true, almost every rock and rap song has drum beat over and over in a song. Rappers make own music lol, No need they can create sounds without guitars. I find the same instruments boring. So I like the fact how they just take a lil of this and that to make somthing new. And about drums go look at a black college marching show band nuff said.
Know adays I see most rappers have slowed down in speed so i can hear the lyrics just fine. Now as for rock all the loud guitars I see why some of them have to scream in teh mike. Rappers have more control of thier music in vloume then rock.
.......U cant dance is what I take it. And if you or anyone else is in highschool and u go to a pep rally notice what kind of music they play. Special when the cheerleaders perfrom. Mostly rap not rock and most of the ppl in teh stands might know the lyircs and sing it out loud.

basically, i can kickass when listening to rock music in a fight, but when i listen to rap music, the most i can do is yawn.

Ok, it's uneven now I'm going back to the rap side.

Look Tupacwestsider seems to be leading the Rap side of the debate,and hmm Selvin,KKS,and Asshole are runnint the rock side with followers.

Ok, lets give some good points to rap...

**ahem**

Rap can be mixed with any kind of music,and still would sound interesting to hip hop fans...

Here is an example of Rock and Rap together in a song=

Run DMC and Aero Smith(I forgot the name of the song)

That was one of Aero Smith's best sngs,and one of Run DMC's best songs.

Rock can't go with everything...paint a image of Reggae and Rock together.....ewww.

Rock might sound cool with Techno....hmmm

Reggae,and Rap sound so tight...Example=

Busta Ryhmes and Sean Paul=(Remix)Make it Clap
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When I'm playing games... And I have to listen to rap I only listen to two artist while playing fighting games...

M&M(I can't spell his name right but I have all his CD's....I'm the real shady...all you other slim shady's are just....lol)

Wu-Tang Clan=There music sounds like fighting music,and they have there own fighting game too.

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SAdily besides that I listen to mostly to Rock songs when Playing fighting video games
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No Driving games can go either way......I'll just say Rap for this one.

Well Nantuko, im guessing that you are a really stuburn person that just dont lisen to anyone elses opinions except yours. As ive said before, you lisen to what is on Main stream and automaticly think that all rap is like that. look what happend to curt cobaine(sorry if i spelt that wrong), Suicide. now what is the public going to think when they see that in the news?

You are right, Rock music does get you pumped there is no doubt about it. No wonder so many people can do stupid #### when there lisening to rock, no wonder so many people that lisen to rock comit suicide, no wonder so many rock stars do drugs, no wonder theres so much violence in the community.

Now i just said that Rock is the cause of so much trouble in the community, but is that really true? Well i know the people that lisen to rock will disagree with me. Now why cant you understand it but the other way around?

So far we got 2 people(asshole and selvin) to admit that not all rap is bad. I dont have to say "Rock is Crap" to get my points out, my logic has coverd that all :buttrock:

Oh and also Rap also has its strong points, Rock might get you pumped but Rap just makes alot of things better to. I would say its better to dance to, and i dont know if its a bad thing but i like to "Dance". Is that a bad thing? ladies love dancing and i love ladies dancing so we dance. Or with friends come over and have nothing to do, well bust a beat and lets free flow and try to beat each other. Look at Basketball, most basketball videos have Rap in it, now i know what your going to say "Well most people that play basketball are black and black people lisen to rap". that might be part of it but when you have something with rap its more free flowing, its like its dancing to a beat, its smooth and shows more tricks to it.

Now rock will show more of the dunks, power moves, hard ass drive in's and Crazy madness. but crazy madness dosent work with everything thats why rock is being replaced with alot of video things in sports. like......

basketball
football
skateboarding
snowboarding
and more stuff that i just dont want to type cause it will take time.


Psssst. Opera and classical came first than Rock and does that make it any better than rock? i dont know if you know but rock copied a bunch of music, you cant say "Rock is the Father of all music" thats just wrong. "Rap didnt come from Rock IN NO WAY!!!!" its a combinations for Gospel, Blues and poetry and was started in NYC.

Nantuko Joe, you need to really be more open minded about all types of Music. The reason why alot of White people (KKK) are still racist with black people because there closed minded about all kinds of races. You just have to give it a chance, but i know that there is that kind of people that are so stuborn that they will do anything to prove themselfs right with out giving it a chance for a while.

Rap, Rock, whats the difference? They make people happy dont they? The what is the big deal? There are Rap haters and there are Rock haters. Why be a hater?

Tupac accepts all kinds of music :buttrock:



Edited By tupac2westsider on Feb. 05 2003 at 17:35

[quote:post_uid0="tupac2westsider"]Rap, Rock, whats the difference? They make people happy dont they? The what is the big deal? There are Rap haters and there are Rock haters. Why be a hater?[/quote]
true true. But rock and rap cant come in all stuations like someone said before when u are chillin with your girl its best to put on rap song. I cant get down with her with rock she prob think im crazy putting on some linkin park. lol :biggrin:
but like tupac said i like all music.

defently rock is the best i mean theres no point to rap all they do is talk fast wich no one can understand and have totally no melody

Actually, I hadn't read a single post in this topic when I made that reply, so anything you said in the 6 pages before I made that post went unrecognized by me.

Second, I do NOT listen to what's "mainstream." I listen to underground ######## too, and pretty much, EVERY SINGLE rap song I've heard has the same exact qualities as the rest of them:
-Lyrics thrown together in 5 min (or so it seems)
-Repetitive underlaying "beat" (usually a bang on the bass and repeat that over and over)
-The "music" itself sounds like what comes out when you hit the "demo" button on an electric keyboard.

Finally, Kurt Cobain, in my opinion, was murdered, because there is substantial evidence that supports the theory that he was set up. However, IF he DID kill himself, it wasn't by free will. It was well-known that he WAS a heroin user, and heroin does all kinds of wacky ######## to yer brain.

And rap is being replaced in Basketball and Football because the majority of players in those sports....are african american. And I've never met an african american who didn't like rap. However, you're terribly wrong about skateboarding and snowboarding, Hell, I don't know if you could get FARTHER from the truth. Professional skateboarders and snowboarders listen to punk rock, because the skateboarding generation began with punk rock back in the '80s.

And where is evidence that "so many ppl who listen to rock commit suicide?" You think rock music is the reason for violence in the community? And that all rock stars do drugs? Take a look around at yer rap artists. I believe one of them was just arrested for possession of cocaine and marijuana. I believe that one of them was arrested for some shootings at a nightclub. I believe a few of them have been arrested at some point or another for drugs and harassment. And when was the last time there was an east coast/west coast rivalry with rockers, resulting in their deaths? What's that? Did you say "never?" That's what I thought. When I say "rock pumps me up," I'm in no way implying that rock music pumps me up to the point of wanting to do crazy ########. I'm saying that it WAKES me up, that the sound of electric guitar gives me energy, because it's a very powerful type of music. Rap is all done artificially, with beats that sound like keyboard demos.

I'm talking about '90s mainstream. Classical music and opera were restricted to theatres. Rock music began this mainstream thing: concerts, public appearances, and releasing of albums so the public wouldn't need to go see them live to hear their music. Rock started it all.

And you gotta be ########ting me. Rap a combination of blues and poetry? Poetry? That's just plain laughable. Hillarious, in fact. You're out of yer mind. While everyone else I've ever asked about rap said that it was a mix of a bit of disco, a bit of gospel (which both came about as a result of rock back in the day), and "tribal beats" as they put it (I guess they mean african tribal music), you're sitting here saying it's blues and poetry and gospel. Gospel? When the overwhelming majority of rap music is filled with messages about going to get high and get wasted and raping women and abusing women and going out to get leid, yer sitting here telling me that it's part gospel?

And please don't make reckless exxagerations. "alot" of white ppl aren't KKK. Very few are nowadays. Furthermore, please NEVER AGAIN compare white ppl not liking rap with SOME white ppl who are racist. It's insulting to me. And I HAVE given rap a chance. When all these ppl back in like 8th grade/freshman year wanted me to listen to rap, I did. I TRIED to like it, I really did. But no matter how much I tried to like it and tried to open myself to it, i couldn't. I couldn't stand the boring repitiveness. I couldn't stand the nonsense lyrics. I HAVE given it a chance, unlike many anti-rap ppl. I've given it a chance, and still never liked it.

cool player what do u mean there is no point to rap!!!????

rap is like poetry. you say that u cant understand them. well thats your fault. me and all my friends can understand every word they say. once again someone tries to make rap look worse than it already is. :angry:

coolplayer alot of these new rappers dont rap fast at all and u can hear them clearly(sometimes)

Nantuko, With your post you just explained to me alot of things.

I was talking about how people defend what they are most knowlegable about, and you did just that. When i dissed on Rock you came back and tryied to cover up for Rocks mistakes and then shot mistakes that Rap has. I expected you to post that, i could of even beted money that you were going to do that.

Now Kurt Cobaine comited suicide, just admit it.

Just as Tupac Shakur got shot and is dead.

Just because of problems in Rap you expect that the whole Rap industry is Bad Rap.

Just as i told you because kurt cobaine cominted suicide that he whole Rock industry is bad.

Ok it is settled, both Rock and Rap is equally bad in problems wise.

its equally good in Music wise. People lisen to both, and people like both.

This debate wont ever be solved because there is no way to see which is better, unless you see the music charts. and like i said in my earlier posts, Rap is having its Mainstream time pretty soon it will be gone and will be in more in the shadows like rock is hidding right now in the shadows.

Like that makes it any better :laugh:

What is the ppl going to think?


Oh please..........Its being replaced. I have a bunch of skate videos and Rock is slowly faiding away. I usto skate, i kinda still do i just dont have a board right now.

The reason being why one of my names was PissedJaggers, i dont know if you remember Andrew Renolds Team the PissedDrunks, but since i was a mexican then im a pissedjagger :p

I made videos, i have videos, i know white folk here in Santa Cruz(which is also a skateboarding company) that put Rap music instead of Rock music. I usto talk about Skatind in dept, i know abunch of #### about skateboarding and i know some pros that skate for Santa Cruz (dont actually know them just spoken to them). Im not ignorent in that sport either.

Dont tell me you havent heard anything like that in the US? When colombine insident happend they blamed it on Marilon Manson. Now i dont know about you but it makes sense to me because i saw it on the news. When some dude comited suicide awhile ago they blamed it on blink 182. and the list goes on and on.

What do you expect me to think? Just like when you see the rap videos you expect to think that to.

Sorry that the KKK thing offended you, i didnt mean to say it that way. I appoligize.

But i expect white people to lisen to rock, is there a problem that i expect that? Just as you expect that black people will lisen to Rap.

There were witnesses to Tupac and BIG's shootings. Cobain was murdered. There's evidence to support this, A LOT. Anyways, the murders of Tupac and B.I.G. was merely one example i used in that post.

That while under a hallucinagenic (sp) drug, he shot himself. But since he didn't commit suicide...

I'm not a boarder, so everything you said about PissedJaggers and whatnot is like me attempting to read greek. And just because ppl put rap in videos for skating doesn't mean that the skate community is becoming rap. Skate and punk rock go hand-in-hand.

Because fcuking stupid-ass parents THINK that rock music has hidden messages. They did the same thing back in the day. The parents thought that KISS was evil and the spawns of the devil. They thought that Elvis Presley was evil. And in the '80s, they seriously thought that Ozzy Osbourne seriously believed he was the anti-christ, and tried to ban his music. Whenever a tragedy happens, the fcuking idiot parents and/or government tries to blame it on something that is totally stupid. Rock music doesn't make ppl go shoot ppl. Playing Grand Theft Auto isn't gonna make ppl go out and trash cars and shoot people. Watching violent movies/television isn't gonna make ppl more violent. You're obviously believe what the media wants you to believe.

Apology accepted, you didn't know it would offend me. But I also expect white ppl to listen to rock, and black ppl to listen to rap. ONE of the reasons that I don't like rap is because (and I mean not to offend, if it offends you) I can't stand it when white people listen to rap and try to be black. You can't believe how much I can't stand it when I see some white kid decked out in FUBU walking around speaking in rap slang. That's one of the big reasons I can't stand rap. And if that offended you, I apologize ahead of time.