[quote:post_uid0="nosoul4evr"]This is not a "Ryu's cheap" topic..This is not a "So and so is cheap" topic, this is not a "So and so lags" topic, nor is it a "So and so hasnt any skill" topic[/quote]
Toon Ryu: Yes i am quite aware of how to block..blocking is not the issue. I do not have a blocking problem.
I have a problem with the fact that very few players can play Ryu without completely revolving 70%-90% of their game around the Hadoken...
Ryu's Hadoken is just as abused as Cyclops' Optic Blast.

Too bad no one wants to admit it.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 10:33

didn't read the whole topic, just some points here and there, so if it has been said then i'm sorry.

you guys must already know that TMYAPP did something against those hadokens some times ago ! when a players does an hadoken while another one is already in stage, then the first one vanished letting the nwest one take the place !

basically, have you ever seen a character doing more then one hadoken, optic blast, sentinel beam at a time ? you shouldn't, if you see so, then you found a bug in the game, as tmyapp already fixed that problem heons ago !

at least it works fine on my end.
ryu cannot do multiple hadokens since the oldest one will simply vanished letting the nwest one ok ! that's mainly why most of the HADOKENS PLAYERS ave diminished a lot those last months !

Just to clarify..yup it's been mentioned.
One hadoken can not be on the screen at the same time as another.

When a Hadoken is about 2/3rd the way to your opponent. you may type for another.

The time between when one hadoken is canceled, to the time that the next one is cast..is "instant"..err near instant.

That window needs to be slightly larger in my opinion.
As in...you cant stack your next hadoken just before the first one hits your opponent.
You'd have to type for it, after the projectile has hit the opponent...like as soon as you here the crack of it making impact.

This is just my opinion.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 08:31

[quote:post_uid0="nosoul4evr"][quote:post_uid0="nosoul4evr"]This is not a "Ryu's cheap" topic..This is not a "So and so is cheap" topic, this is not a "So and so lags" topic, nor is it a "So and so hasnt any skill" topic[/quote]
Toon Ryu: Yes i am quite aware of how to block..blocking is not the issue. I do not have a blocking problem.
I have a problem with the fact that very few players can play Ryu without completely revolving 70%-90% of their game around the Hadoken...
Ryu's Hadoken is just as abused as Cyclops' Optic Blast.

Too bad no one wants to admit it.[/quote]
Yes I know, ok fine if you think of it that way then there should be a limit on Optic blast, Sentinel Beam, and all the other moves that you call cheap out there. Also mentioned before it actually takes skill to do so many hadoken's and it takes the same skill to actually dodge them.

All of those character moves you just mentioned...have had limits put on them, and neither work anywhere near as well as when they were first debuted....Cyclops especialy.

So basicaly what your saying is...
It's not ok for Sent and Cyc to be able to own the match with a field of nearly impassible destruction....but it is ok if Ryu can do it.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 13:46

i got one thing to say. if u wanna limit the hadoken then u might as limit all the other moves from every character. the fact is that so many people abuse the specials of all character. look at wolvie users. **drill claw drill claw, beserker barrage beserker barrage** and i dont even wanna talk about cyc. so just keep the game as is cause there are some people that dont abuse these moves. so why limit moves just cause of a few ##### who abuse them. thats not right for the others

Read my above post..you posted in between edits.

And for people that dont abuse the moves...they wont see a difference...why? because they play legit.

You guys make it sound like a change to the way you might have to play Ryu would effect YOU and only YOU...nope..it wouild effect everybody. It's not like you would be missing out on something that somebody else had, and you did not.

Yes even Wolverines drill claw could use some limits.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 05 2003 at 12:51

[quote:post_uid0="nosoul4evr"]All of those character moves you just mentioned...have had limits put on them, and neither work anywhere near as well as when they were first debuted....Cyclops especialy.

So basicaly what your saying is...
It's not ok for Sent and Cyc to be able to own the match with a field of nearly impassible destruction....but it is ok if Ryu can do it.[/quote]
What I mean to say is if Ryu gets a limit put on and so do those two and if he doesn't leave the those two alone two.

there is something some people here never noticed or understood !

RYU = hadoken, as in projectile that must travel all the way to the other side of the screen
CYCLOPS & SENT = BEAMER, which means the beam is appearing on screen already doing the whole screen.

with that in mind, lets say that CYCLOPS must wait before doing another beam because his animation ends after the beam. which means he take the time to place himself back into position, and by the time he takes that position again, his beam is long gone !

the same happens to sentinel, that is why it doesn't touch them !
as for ryu, the fact is... hadokens after hadokens is not a way to play, its called being LAME enough not to understand that this is not a SHOOTING GAME but a damn FIGHTING GAME !

as nosoul said, unless you are an hadioken HAPPY SHOOTERS you won't even see the change !
just a question, did you ever saw the SUPER JUMP LOCK in action ?

if you answered NO, then why would you yell about it ?
if you answered yes, then you are a HYPER JUMPER HAPPY that hyper jumps too much for nothing !

same will go with RYU, if you don't see the HADOKEN LOCK then you are playing the game right, if you see the HADOKEN LOCK then it means that you shoot too much and you must learn some understanding as to what a FIGHTING GAME is !

really, hadokens all over the place were/are/will never be the way to play !

for my part, almost all hadpoken happy players have been beaten up by me because i come blocking and i pass thru and kick their sorry ass ! i know that i succeeded and that they are sucking cause an almost perfect game 4 out of 5 matches is just too damn stupid !

learn to play people, this is no FPS, its a damn ACTION FIGHTING GAME !
the characters got hands and feet to use as well you know !
anyway... like nosoul said, tmyapp should put an hadoken LOCK just like he did for the HYPER JUMP LOCK !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]just a question, did you ever saw the SUPER JUMP LOCK in action ?[/quote]
Lol..

I didn't even know there was one until Tarkan pointed it out to me.. I always thought I must have not been pressing the keys right..

think not only hadoken is fact every art of shooting, speacially in case of da ahh dont get the name yet blua glasses X.men


think its really cheap u make just shootings and its done. I mean u cant come out there and if u r faster back in there then u could damg him.

:angryfire:

sorry your all still arguing..

you all
SUCK!!!

if every1 ryu player jsut kept dion hadoken on me id go...yes.

u skilless twats.

high jump all you have 2 do kids is press down then up...try it..

if you REALLY REALLY wanna beat a hadonken noob use cyclops or spiderman.or use skill with ryu

[quote:post_uid0="pip99"]sorry your all still arguing..

you all
SUCK!!!

if every1 ryu player jsut kept dion hadoken on me id go...yes.

u skilless twats.

high jump all you have 2 do kids is press down then up...try it..

if you REALLY REALLY wanna beat a hadonken noob use cyclops or spiderman.or use skill with ryu[/quote]
umm i agree with pip

I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.

[quote:post_uid0="UrbanNinja"]I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.[/quote]
UrbanNinja: (and others) If you read this entire topic. You'd see that it has nothing to do with being able to stop the tactic.

Take some time to read please.

Krama: Wow..the first to agree with me, theres hope for this topic yet. :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 08:04

nosoul4evr: Your poll choices explicitly say:

- Yes, Hadokens are abused and need to be limited...Players need to learn a new technique.
- NO! Dont change the Hadoken..I'd have no skill then.

1st point: Hadoukens needing to be limited? If you're referring to limiting the number of times you use them then (as has been said before EVERY time a topic turns up like this), then it will never happen. If you did that, tneh people would bitch to get optic blasts limited... or web ball's... or drill claws... or Sentinel Beams... practically anything you can think of that's remotely cheap.

However, I am not without sympathy for your cause. There are way too many unskilled people who really 100% on hadoukens even when they know how to do other moves (ex: aftermath does this all the time, but I've seen him do dragon punches and other "regular" moves when you get too close in on him)... and losing to these people does nothing but piss you off. But I'll direct your attention to the main problem here... 2 things that happen that make the hadouken very annoying.

1st its response rate is a bit too fast... you'll notice this was the problem with slide claw and optic sweep, but both have been toned down without hadoukens being touched. That I would consider a reasonable adjustment/complaint to TMyApp.

2nd, any/all projectile moves jack up your super metter much too quickly. Go into the game and test out raising your level bar with hp hadoukens against lp hadoukens. It's something like half the speed (if you stand right next to the ai since lp is a lot slower in traveling). Even at that kind of speed... it jacks up your super meter too fast. I'd suggest dramatically dropping that (to something like raising your level bar by only 1 grey bar) for all fast projectiles.

2nd point: Pip's arguements are made pretty legitimate by that comment that little comment that "I'd have no skill" for the no choice... especially if they're under the impression that you want it limited as in how many times you can use it. If you want 10 non cheap Ryu users, here they are:
*note: non because it's spelled that way. None means nothing at all (dictionary.com).

- DarkVirus
- Doomtrain
- Case
- Tidus2K2
- myself
- you (apparently you say so)
- Dark Masta
- pip99
- DX Zero
- supersaiyanz10
- DA_VIPA

Nope the idea is not to limit the amount of Hadokens..but the responce time...and possibly remove the ability ot "stack" (...the ability to preset ) the second hadoken before the first has hit your opponent.

I wouldnt worry about the poll...it's meant only for players that are with me, to cast a vote....those that are against me vote that "they got no skill then"
If ya got skill and are against me..then you dont vote.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:44

i'm a non cheap ryu user =/

"ex: aftermath does this all the time, but I've seen him do dragon punches and other "regular" moves when you get too close in on him"

thats very non-offensive. :angry:

OMG this game is full of babies. Nosoul- u r trying to do exactly what the baby Zing79 did. Limit or change something in the game because u cant win against it and you dont think it is fair. Jesus christ, has anyone here EVER played the original game? As soon as one haduken has hit the person the next haduken comes out. ITs how the game was made. Do u see anyone complaining about that on mame or FBA? I have compared the timing of ryu's haduken and cyclop's optic blast in mame and this game and the only one that doesnt seem to be true to the REAL game is cyclop's optic blast. Ryu's haduken seem's to be right, but cyclop's optic blast comes out faster. RYU"S HADUKEN IS NO DIFFERENT IN THIS GAME THEN IN THE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!!!!! Its just that with all the horrible lag in the game that it seem's to be cheap. So shut up nosoul!!!!!!! God damn it, why is it that when someone feels that something is cheap in this game that they can post and try to limit everything? It's real annoying. There were once tourney's for the REAL game, and if someone felt that someone's move was faster then the others they never tried to make rules against it, they had to deal with it and overcome it. None of the "vs" series games are balanced, but its something that EVERYONE has had to adapt to and overcome, that is how u find the best of the best in these "vs" series games. STOP BEING A BABY AND GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

Fear tetsu. If you actualy read this topic..it has NOTHING to do with winning or losing..learn to read.

As for the Jump Lock..Zing was totaly correct in his observation about the super jump and how it was abused...now you can no longer abuse the super jump to rely on left to right lag for a win and this game.

Those that scream loudest against this topic..are probably those that stand a good chance of losing thier "lil edge" IF there was a change to the hadoken.

There is no need to start flaming and crying like a nooby.
If you read this whole topic..and you feel you have skill..then you wouldnt be sniveling, but making a mature and sensible reply with your opinion about "how the hadoken operates".

You say Cyclops blast is different than the orginial...ever wonder why?..It is because it had to be adapted to this version of the game inorder to make the move "less cheap".

You say Ryu's Hadoken is just like the original.
with that being said..and with lag like you mentioned.

Dont you think that Ryu's hadoken would also need to be adapted to operate differently in this version of the game to make it less cheap as well?

Im not saying the changes mentioned are the "hard line" way to limit hadokens. There are many variables in the way hadokens operate that can alter the way they work without skilled players even noticing the difference.

As a side note... Spiderman webballs also fall under this topic of limitations too...I believe Spidermans projectiles need to be toned down as well...a topic damn near worthy of another poll. :D

So once again..it appears as though...
It's not all right for some characters to be cheap (so strict limits where put on them)...But it's ok for others to be cheap.

To the people:
Ryu is your King, his Hadoken is your Queen.
All hail Ryu! :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:48

[quote:post_uid0="nosoul4evr"][quote:post_uid0="UrbanNinja"]I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.[/quote]
UrbanNinja: (and others) If you read this entire topic. You'd see that it has nothing to do with being able to stop the tactic.

Take some time to read please.

Krama: Wow..the first to agree with me, theres hope for this topic yet. :D[/quote]
This poll is about haduken limitations, but if you were able to read english you would understand what I was stating about (you guessed it) HADUKEN LIMITATIONS.

listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer ![/quote]
Grrrr..... I hate stupid people. One,I did not mention the "old times" in this post at all. Two, dubya tee eff are u talking about? Lag was the killer then but not now? LAg is just as bad as it was back then u moron. "think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !" I honestly cant believe u cant answer your own question. Why would someone do hadukens the whole game till it ends? If u cant answer it then u r ####### retarded. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN RYU DO IN THIS ONLINE GAME? If you have ever seen anyone play the original game, ryu has AIR COMBOS, SEMI INFINITES, devestating combos that u cannot do in this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! You really are stupid. Yes u can dash in with a kick or something, but with all the lag that this game has, the easiest way to do damage is to do hadukens. And since u cant rely on blocking to work 100% of the time, playing keep away with ryu is the only way to win. So once again, YOU CANT DO #### IN THIS GAME!!!! U CANT DO AIR COMBOS, INFINITES,COUNTERS, ADVANCED COMBOS(EX: combos that involve resets, grabs etc...) OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE ORIGINAL GAME. SO THE ONLY THING FOR RYU USERS TO DO IS HADUKENS.!!!!!!
And nosoul-dubya tee eff r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok???? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!!

that's a shame of you FEAR, after all the work that tmyapp did to have a lot less lag and a lot more speed in this game, you still says you don't see a change !

go buy yourself some glasses will ya !
oh that's right, i forgot, you didn't played the game since a year or so cause it sucks bad ! come on fear... i have one of the worst modem ever and i still have lag yes, but lag is like 10 times less powerfull then it was a year and a half ago !

as for the combos and all, yeah we don't have REAL COMBOS but thinking how a single punch is coming out way faster then in the real game, i can easily say that combos are better in this game then it is in the real game !

really, you didn't see a single difference between this version and the old ones, fine, but by saying that you just mock tmyapp around and crudely telling him that he was holding his ass off !

you think it is a big rip off, have you ever played the emulators and see how it is the complete same !
do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !

guess what ! go kill yourself, cause right now, all you accomplished is a big nothing ! sorry to disappoint you, but i do succeed in "comboing" people in this game, you know why, because lag is a lot less powerfull, then it was before !

and you call me stupid, at least i don't talk like tmyapp never did anything and i do have seen a big big big big big improvement since 0.2a

now buzz off !

[quote:post_uid0="G_GUNDAM"]i got one thing to say. if u wanna limit the hadoken then u might as limit all the other moves from every character. the fact is that so many people abuse the specials of all character. look at wolvie users. **drill claw drill claw, beserker barrage beserker barrage** and i dont even wanna talk about cyc. so just keep the game as is cause there are some people that dont abuse these moves. so why limit moves just cause of a few ##### who abuse them. thats not right for the others[/quote]
i thought its ONE THING TO SAY?
you used more words there... ???

[quote:post_uid0="bloodpack"]ok, let me end this argument
ppl wanna know their true fighting skills?
then someone fight me...

ryu vs ryu
no specials or supers
only fists and kicks
lets see whos really good in online hand-to-hand combat :)[/quote]
meh we did that match.



people are skill arguing....man just high jump and corner rape.etc etc...man scrop killed this topic ages ago..then i did...but yall still carrying on,

karma u have accomplished nothing because u still havent proven your point. How are the combos in this game better then in the original game? Seriously, how are they better. You cant even do a regular combo past 3 or 4,Ex: punch,punch,kick. I mean that is probably a combo by accident in this game. Have i ever played the emulators? Isnt that what i just got done posting about??? Learn to read !! "do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !
" Nobody in the emulated version of the game throws hadukens the whole game because we can do air combos!!!!!! We can do what the game was ment for u dumb ass, we r not limited by only throwing hadukens. Once again, in this game ryu users can only throw hadukens becuase its the safest way to cause damage without the risk of rushing in and not worrying about blocking giving out when u need it. "i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
"


yes thats what ryu users in this game have to do. Here is an example of what ppl who play the real emulated version do with ryu:
dash in-clk,chp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk, shinku haduken
that is a basic COMBO that can be done since it is implemented in the game unlike this game. Here is an example of what a person does with cyclops using the emulated version of this game:
*in corner
dash in-clk,cmp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk,sjhp,(rejump), lp,lk,mp,mk,hp,land,lp,mp,hp
that once again is a COMBO that can be done. People use combos,not hadukens the whole time, because we have them in the real game. Now go kill yourself because u r trying to stick up for a game that sucks ass and because u have not accomplished anything. And u say u have combo'd ppl in this game. It was most likely a 3 or 4 hit combo at most because thats all that can be done. Try a 13-20 hit combo without doing supers. Oh yeah thats right u cant, since u cant do real combos in this game!!! Now buzz off.

[quote:post_uid0="fear_tetsuo"]And nosoul-dubya tee eff r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok?<!--emo&??? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!![/quote]
Fear:Again your inability to read has caused your demise in this topic...yet again.

How many times must it be repeated...This topic has NOTHING to do with winning or losing, or how to over come hadoken abuse.
It has to do with the repetitive nature of how Ryu is played, as well as ways to prevent people from consistantly relying on the same tacic over and over again because it gives them that lil' edge they need when combined with lag.

You own words will now crush you.
You are obviously a Hadoken abuser...you make that very clear with that statement...or else you would know what other moves, skills and tactics there are to using Ryu as a "non projectile" fighter, and no you dont need aerial combo's and infinite supers in order to play Ryu legitimitly in this game.

2000warriors list of ten could clearly prove that to you im sure.

Pip: You and Scorp have far from killed this topic...Ya aint even scratched the surface of it.
As in...both of ya have stated that.."yes players do get lame and abuse the hadoken..." wich more than justifies my case. :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 05 2003 at 13:19

SSJKarma & fear_tetsuo: You will BOTH stop this flaming.

so question was what tactic that is?
easy anwser :)

A lame cheap tactic.
And they take her cause, enemy gets a dmg even he blocks, they can t get in danger till they find their master and flame him then how cheap he figths. And they get their lev to make specials, without they wouldn t life, as fast as no other way they know.

:laughlong:

phewww...i finally managed to read all of that...

anyway i'm with nosoul that there should be something done to try and limit hadouken usage cos it just sucks all the fun out of the game when your fighting some no-skill #### who just fires out hadoukens...i know that this means it just makes more work for tmy and will probably coe equipped with a load of bugs but it's still something he could think about putting in in the future.


also is it just me or does anybody else think that the line of arguments would be completly different if this topic had been made about limiting cyclops's optic blasts or sentinels heavy punch cos it just seems like most of the people in this game just want ryu because they somehow believe that he is the only non-cheap character in this game

[quote:post_uid0="pip99"]lmfao u typed back.......

You have

LAG moves dont load on you ANYWAY

i dont have

LAG...moves load on me

LAG is your advantage


diong this #### idea will giv laggers and even biger advantage.

#### NO!

get over it.....some people are cheap.

id MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more play a cheap person you doesnt lag....then a lagger

LISTEN to yourself....laggers own the game already....and you want 2 give them more of an advantage....and yo...on my screen i dont lag...u LAG me diong moves might build lag on your screen get over it..mines always 40 fps...and your specials load on me.
You probaly dont know how annoying it is..playing a lagger when u dont lag...having none of your moves load.


i mean for #### sake
YOUR TELLING TMYAPP 2 LIMIT MOVES WHEN THEY NEVER ####### LOAD


You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win


Dont take the ONLY advantage quicker and unlaggy players have get over it or get a better pc/modem


THIS TOPIC IS ####### STUPID





u go on about trully skilled fighter LMFAO....nferno championx ether....they all beat ryu #####


u keep dion hadokens back or
OK!!! HIGH JUMP...SWEEP MEDUIM KICK maybe superuppercut..etc etc...

but the moves will load...so its ok. but when u laggers go cheap moves still dont load.

ANY TRULLY SKILLED PLAYER CAN KILL A HADONKEN NOOB

now if your really gonna try and argue back u are stubborn or just a down right twat u has 2 have the advantage[/quote]
thats how u put it down pip :lol: but yes they need to learn new moves caz all they do is hadokens and then do the super hadoken and keep doing it over and over :hmmm: they must really have ZERO skill :sly: so there should be a limitation of 30 hadokens per person (including super hadokens) and if they od more than 30 they should be kicked from the fight for cheating :biggrin:

oh and btw pip i seem to recall what you did when we had a ryu vs ryu match...and to everybody else, yup you probably guessed it........hadouken after hadouken while i was trying to get in close range to fight properly

STFU 2000warrior! DOnt tell me to stop flaming this topic, which i am not. I am giving my opinion on this subject, so shut the hell up!! . Nosoul-once again your inability read and understand what i am talking about and referring to has caused u to demise what i have written. When i was referring to over coming things in xmvssf, i was referring the the real game not this one. People had to over come things in the real game that they didnt like and didnt bitch about it or try to get rid of it like you you p***y. And now my own words will crush me??? dubya tee eff,u trying to make me look stupid by using my words against me clearly didnt work. Yes i was a haduken user, because trying to beat people with other moves that lagged and werent useful was just pointless. You cant play this game like the REAL GAME. You seriously have to be semi-retarded. You cant use tactics from the real game and try to use them to back up your words in this game. The things u say would work in the real game but not in this POS. "and no you dont need aerial combo's and infinite supers in order to play Ryu legitimitly in this game." For once u r right, u dont need all that stuff in this game because it isnt available!!!!!!!Wolvy users have to rush down on you because he doesnt have any projectile's, that is why wolvy users usually lose to ryu users in THIS GAME, NOT THE REAL GAME.

2kwarrior: i wouldn't continu anyway... he's just too stupid to notice how this game is really played. but anyway !

one last question to you fear...
if i follow your statements, you mean that WOLVERINE and CHUNLI doesn't even stand a chance in this game and are completely useless cause they can't do projectiles and hand to hand is impossible ?

really, learn to play fear !
there are way more strategies then throwing hadokens which tends to be beaten easily anyway... at least for me, i do kill a lot of those HADOKEN THROWERS and all that easily !

nosoul... putting a lock on the numbers of hadoken isn't a good way to stop em. i think it would be better if what 2kwarrior said would be implemented. hadokens are too fastly coming out, they should be coming out slower. just like tmyapp did with the optics blasts of cyclops.

also, i think VARIAL could really need a tweak !
i mean that i fought one guy, 1 on 1 tag, he started at level three supers and right in the begining he did a varial and since we all know already know that 2 supers on you leaves you about 10% health and less... then it is clear that one varial right in the begiining kills the first char right away !

why ?
because during varial, you got infinite supers !
and since most of the supers take away 40-50% health in one shot, you clearly see the problem here !

supers during VARIAL should be taking a lot less damage !

I do not agree or disagree, but how can you say have skill when there isn't even a combo system yet. You can't launch your opponet then do all these air combo's to do damage. If you call punching, kicking, and all those other moves skill your wrong. I also agree that you should slow down the repetive process. I was only arguing about limiting them but guess where talking about how fast there executed.

LOL I was finally banned!!!!! Its about god damn time, after all the bad things i have said to soo many people(ie:mods,#####,vets,regulars, etc......). But I would have rather been banned by tmyapp or zing79, not by a ego-tripping baby like 2000warrior(your such a god damn loser, mabye if i had sucked up to u i would not have been banned). Well this is all I have to say on this topic.
KArma-Yes wolvy and chun li dont stand a chance against ryu in THIS GAME since they cant to projectiles. If this game engine was the same as the REAL GAME then wolvy and chun would stand a chance because of the vast amount of things that can be done in the REAL GAME. CAn you please give some examples of things that can be done instead of doing hadukens? Everyone keeps telling me that u can do soo much more to win a game then doing hadukens....can anyone pretty please give an example? Argh!!!!! dont u guys know that in the REAL GAME ryu is a rushdown/ projectile character. Rushing down is basically dashing in fast and trying to confuse the other person by attacking high-then low-then high again, to try and catch the person off gurad to do dir combos and other moves. You cant rushdown in this game, so the only thing ryu can do is use his projectiles to fight. This is the real reason why i quit this game. I love playing Magneto, magneto is a 100% pure rushdown character who relies on AIR COMBOS and rushing down to cause damage to the opponent. And since u cant do either AIR COMBOS or rushdown, magneto is basically useless in this game. Do you guys understand that? Same thing with storm. Now do u people understand what i am talking about?

Fear simple question.. If you don't like this game, why are you still here bitching? :laughlong:

Because i dont think other ppl should have to suffer just because someone thinks something in this game is unfair and wants it limited,slowed down or whatever.