ok throw move*******CHEAP!!!!!!!****
all i have to say
they can walk up to u and jab u then grab while u blocking then throw you
********CHEAP********
skill-less and cheap
did i say CHEAP?
anyway ***CHEAP****

(Edited by Lordcyris at 7:39 pm on Sep. 3, 2001)

will dach, thank you for your imput but honestly i don't care. I put this up for the people you made this game to reply. if you are one of them okay. but i didn't even talk about ken. how come you brang him up?

To immediately circumvent a possible arguement that you might've used against my 'Ken = Shoryuken, Ryu = Hadoken' paragraph, such as, "Oh, but Ken has a Shinkuu Hadoken in XMvSF!"

Uh, sorry? People that reply who aren't part of the team who made the game immediately don't matter? Is it me or is this reasoning completely SHIT?
Excuse me, but this is our game too. Some people may not like the idea of the original being tampered with in such a way. Did you ever think about that? I accept that you may want the move in, and I considered that, but didn't think it was a good idea. But noooo, suddenly you don't care for my post and don't care for the fact that this is our goddamn game too? Up yours.

Dach is right, the Shin Shoryuken isn't part of Ryu's X-men vs SF move list, and to add the move in would be a big mistake. It's not about adding as many moves as possible Selvin, it's about game and character balance. Technically you could rip the frames from the equivelent move from Streetfighter Alpha 3, but that's not the point - it's not supposed to be in the game, and would ruin the game balance.

Selvin, I don't actually think you understand or appreciate the structure of the game and what makes the game good and enjoyable in the first place, or if you do then you're seriously confused by asking to have different moves artificially spliced into the melee!!

--dock

####, you all don't get out much do you.
Ryu has the move Shin SHoRyuKen, But i don't believe he gets this move until Marvel vs. Capcom.
Yes it is in SF3, but the fact is, its still in the vs. series games. If he has this move before MvC, you can correct me.

Marvel vs Capcom and Xmen-vs-SF have a different set of mechanics. If this game is meant to be MVC, then they should start with MVC from the beginning. As for your (childish) comment about people getting out much, I personally spent last night at an exclusive invitation only Sony-organised party in London.

--dock

It is my belief that this is an amalgamation of the vs. series. If it isn't then why are different characters from various vs. (+ helpers/strikers)

Different mechanics??? they both run on the CPS2 board.

and the getting out comment... I was referring to the fact that no one seemed to know that ryu had the move in MvC, not that people don't get out.
An exclusive london party.. ooooo, im so impressed i think i'm just not going to care. You don't need to validate yourself to me, who are you trying to impress?

He's talking about gameplay mechanics, not actual mechanics that the game runs on.

Thank god there is someone else that knows this move exists, finnally. I just hope that there are more people like boogie and sonner or later they will speak up.

I've slapped in my copy of MvC1 in again after months of it not being played and toyed around with Ryu in Training mode.

Yep, he has Shin Shoryuken, but only in Ken mode (half circle back, P). Reason for this being that Ken isn't in MvC, just like he wasn't in MSHvSF.

Problem with this is that in Ken mode, Ryu acts exactly like Ken; longer recovery during Hadoken, flaming Shoryuken, wider Shoryuken, more hits, less range on the Hurricane Kick.

If you gave Ryu Ken's Shin Shoryuken and left all the other qualities in there, the balance between the Shoto's is lost. What's the point in using Ken purely because of his Shin Shoryuken if Ryu has it as well as Shinkuu Hadoken?

Seeeee, this is what I was talking about in the first place.
Selvin, if you like Ryu's Shin Shoryuken in SF3, you're going to be disappointed with the Ken Alpha/Vs version - it's nothing like it, does a #### of a lot less damage and less priority in the air. You may win with it in SF3 (as do I - it's my fav Super Art with Ryu), but it's just so different in the Vs. Series, I see no real point in implementing it if Ken's going to have it too.

Also, what the fuck is your problem with me in all the other threads? Do you just not like people disagreeing with you or something?