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i cant wait to see brock lesnar and nathan jones.

i wonder if lesnar can beat A-train and paul sumthing, the guy who bully pple around.

undertaker = he ruined a very great character and became some kind of ass who cannot even scare anyone like he used to do !

HULK HOGAN = same as above, he used to be a good person and now he's a big bad cry baby !

wrestling has became a big SLUG FEST where one fight is not even capable of finishing in a normal one on one fight !
sorry... but about 8 years ago, wrestling was way better then today. today its just becoming a big who is gonna attract more people in one show then any other things like it was !

i remember yokozuna not being able to do one fight without having the lights goes out and having a REST IN PEACE signs a casket !

i remeber the casket fights undetaker and yoko had !
i remember the 10 VS 1 undertaken had against yokozuna and the rest of his team !
i remember when we couldn't even see his eyes cause he was a LIVING-DEAD creature !
i remember the time when no one could ever defeats him !
always standing up after being pounded 33 times in a row by a super !
i remember the real deal about that character who now had became such a stupid ####### bastard that cannot even scare anyone !

i remember TATANKA and CRUSH, i remember the great fighters who had to make a way for themselves !
i remember all wrestlers there had their VERY OWN FINISHING MOVES !
they were not just simple moves like that stupid peopl's elbow who actually is nothing more then an elbow drop !

the tombstone, the crucifix, the CRANIUM CRUNCH !
that were real UNIQUE finisher at that time !

how can you love the wrestling we have today ?
that's the real question !

i remeber the little KARATE KID that was called the 1-2-3 kid !
knocked his opponent and while they were standing up. he climbed the turnbuckle, walked along the third rope until he reached the center and then MOON SOMERSAULTED at them !

that was ####### impressive !
anyway...

asshoie: you made a mistake... not RALPH (little NON-inteligent son of chief wiggum) but NELSON ! (big bully who always laugh at others)

EDIT:
just a question...
why do people need to see the movie to notice a character in the marvel universe ?

just to let you know MYSTIC...
SPIDERMAN and DARE DEVIL are living in the same ####### CITY !
they helped each other in a lot of episodes, and believe me, they form one hell of a team !
also, dare devil is one of the few that actually knows the real identity of spiderman !

they are identicals and have about the same strenght and things...
they just have different powers !

also... did you know spiderman was part of the AVENGERS ?
he is just part of the IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPEN team !
meaning he does his lifes normally and if the avengers are like unable to do anything or they are taken prisonners. spiderman, ironman and some others like THE HULK will take over !

Edited By SSJKarma on Feb. 24 2003 at 18:30

Oh please, Karma. Taker is still as much of a badass as he always was. He's just not into the "i'm a goth and i'm gonna kick your ass" thing anymore. Right now he's "i'm an angry badass and I'm gonna kick your ass."

As far as finishers go, how can you say that the Pedigree isn't a unique finisher? The F-5?The Stunner? The Shooting Star Press? The Five Star Frog Splash? The Crippler Crossface? The Widow's Peak? How can you say they're not unique finishers?

I think that wrestling nowadays is so much better than wrestling back in the day. There's better storylines. There's better ppl running the shows. And there's better overall wrestlers.

And The Karate Kid / 1-2-3 Kid / X-Pac sucks. He always did suck, and he always will suck.

SolidSnake: I'm not sure if Nathan is going to come to the WWF. According to some rumors, there was an argument and some paperwork never got done, so he's not coming. However, I also heard another rumor that he's supposed to be on SmackDown this week.

If he does come, i'm also looking forward to it. The guy's like 6'11", 330 lbs. He was the WWA champion for a mad long time. He appears to be a great wrestler. But don't be fooled by his backstory: the entire 10 years in prison, armed robbery thing is just his storyline.

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]i remember yokozuna not being able to do one fight without having the lights goes out and having a REST IN PEACE signs a casket ![/quote]
oh man, yokozuna. i remember seeing one of his matches, the entire ring shook.

Quote:

i remember all wrestlers there had their VERY OWN FINISHING MOVES !
they were not just simple moves like that stupid peopl's elbow who actually is nothing more then an elbow drop !

the tombstone, the crucifix, the CRANIUM CRUNCH !
that were real UNIQUE finisher at that time !

how can you love the wrestling we have today ?
that's the real question !

at least theres rey msyterio, but ur right. like anyone can do the chokeslam, and thats suppose to be big show's sig move?

the F5, angle lock and oylimpic slam are unique move. but others just have to copy the oylimpic slam.

joe: he is. micheal cole held an interveiw with him on smackdown and he signed a contract with smackdown. and remember, thx to that damn vincent kennedy mcmahon, its WWE.

wow. my one reply switch this topic to wrestling.

Screw WWE. It always has been WWF, and to the true wrestling fans all over the world, it will always remain the WWF. The frigging WIldlife Fund should worry more about their friggiing pandas and such instead of a logo. Who in the right mind can confuse the World Wrestling Federation with the World Wildlife Fund.

And I was unaware of an interview with nathan jones, because I think Smackdown sucks. i watch it only to see Rock, Hogan, Lesnar, Undertaker, and Benoit.

i never said the 1-2-3 kid rocked !
i said he was cool to watch in the first times, but now aday the wrestlings have become mere shadows of themself...

sorry... but i wasn't talking about his attitude towards other wrestlers nantuko...
i was talking about the fact that his character (the undertaker) was making casket for every single wrestler, he was always mystic, he was always living and showing as what he was, a LIVING DEAD ! now how does acts... like a regular human being who doesn't even scares anyone anymore !

do you remember those fights he did were he won because the opponent runned away in fear ? he probably was never a champion nor was he ever in the very big events, but man... how awsome was he !

now, how do you think of him... you still see the character inside ? good for you, but those who know him for what he was now all think he's dead for good ! i could believe he had a brother (cain) but its just not the same anymore... he now is so ####### stupid, that now his character could be thrown away right now and people would never notice it !

same goes with hogan !
those who knew him, now they just want to thrash him for what he became !

NWO... let me talk about that for a little !
if you ever see one simple fight that didn't turn into a 30 or more opponent slug fest. then just tell me ! i would be glad to see it !

can't say about the other wrestlers, never have i said that all the wrestlers moves weren't original and unique... but you must agree that most of the fighters now, have pretty stupid moves !

let me tell you... there wasn't much wrestler s back then, but at least it was good old fasionned wrestling, it was awsome, no chair in all corners, no more baseball bat or tables that gets on the stage !

it was pure skills !

EDIT:
i will also add this...
talked to one friend who actually does AMATURE wrestling, its like the pro's but it is for teenagers and it is only locals !
the fights are real to some extent... the winner is not pre decided. the match is not pre decided either.

the moves doesn't hurt, they aren't real. but the fights and the winners are real !
on the ring, during the fight, wrestlers decide how they will act and how they can get the win on their opponent !
it is not like it was a dance or something. it is real, they just have to be as realistic as they can. that's why when they are getting a super, they almost always stay down. it's like a rule for them !

Edited By SSJKarma on Feb. 24 2003 at 23:30

You dont' think the Undertaker scares ppl anymore? So if a 6'5", 330 lb dude with a ########load of tattoos, a mean face and a bad temper started shouting in yer face and threatening your life, you wouldn't be scared? That goth crap he pulled when he first came into the business was gay. I like him more now, the American Badass, instead of the zombie-wannabe (although, once when Tajiri hit him with the green mist, Undertaker DID look kinda like a zombie).

Which character could be thrown away and not missed? Undertaker or Kane? Neither could be thrown away without the notice of the fans. Both Kane and the Undertaker have their own unique personalities that are entirely different than any other in the WWF locker rooms. Taker with his badass image, and Kane with his unstoppable red machine image, the fans eat that ######## up. To say that they could get rid of the Undertaker or Kane now and no one would notice is like to say that no one would notice if they got rid of Triple H or Booker T.

And a single fight that doesn't turn into a slugfest? How about Benoit and Angle? Angle and Jericho? Benoit and Jericho? How about Kurt angle and ANY Canadian wrestler? They were all trained in Stu Hart's Dungeon, and all of them know amateur wrestling moves. Take a look at Benoit and Angle at...I think it was No Mercy...that was easily match of the year, possibly the true match of the decade. All the technical skills, there is no need for a slugfest. Look at Benoit: he took down Big Show using technical moves and submissions.

And I'd like to clear something up about wrestling:

Wrestling is NOT "fake". Wrestling is "fixed". Before the match starts, the two wrestlers know which one is supposed to win, but the entire match itself is not staged. They go out there with knowledge of the other person's moves, so they know how to land right, how to take a hit right. So when they go out for a match, although they DO know who the winner will be, they do NOT know what is going to happen in the match in itself. Everything that occurs in-ring during a match is not staged. The moves are real. The more physical moves DO hurt. When they go through tables, the tables ARE NOT cut or made weaker in any way. When they use chairs, they are REAL chairs, not aluminum according to popular belief. I know, I've taken a chair shot to my back and to my head while Backyard Wrestling. It hurts like hell, but there is no permanent damage, and the chairs themselves do dent. Wrestlers in the WWF are easily some of the greatest pure athletes of any sport in the world. They must be in prime condition at all times: both mental and physical. They must know their pain limits and their stamina. They must learn how to jump 15 feet off a ladder and through a table, and still be able to get up and wrestle a few nights later. Wrestling is more real than people give it credit for. I for one should know, because my dad is a very good friend with a former Intercontinental Champion from the WWF, and he told me exactly what I'm telling you now.

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quote:post_uid0="pip99"]who the flips BROCK..LESNER ?? ???[/quote]
Only the youngest WWF Champion, he beat The Rock, Hulk Hogan, The Big Show, The Undertaker, and pretty much every other heel character on SmackDown! He also took out Team Angle in the same night (one fight after the other), and defeated Big Show AND won the Royal Rumble in the same night. He's also gonna kick Kurt Angle's ass at Wrestlemania to win back the title.[/quote]
Kurt Angle managed to beat him...but he cheated....

So did BIG SHOW....but he cheated

NATHAN JONES....is coming soon he will own BROCK LIKE JOO1!!!!!!!!

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][quote:post_uid0="pip99"]who the flips BROCK..LESNER ?? ???[/quote]
Only the youngest WWF Champion, he beat The Rock, Hulk Hogan, The Big Show, The Undertaker, and pretty much every other heel character on SmackDown! He also took out Team Angle in the same night (one fight after the other), and defeated Big Show AND won the Royal Rumble in the same night. He's also gonna kick Kurt Angle's ass at Wrestlemania to win back the title.[/quote]
Kurt Angle managed to beat him...but he cheated....

So did BIG SHOW....but he cheated

NATHAN JONES....is coming soon he will own BROCK LIKE JOO1!!!!!!!![/quote]
Nathan is pretty big, but he doesn't even have a signature move (I checked out his WWA profile). Hell, I'd like to see Lesnar and Scott Steiner go at it, or Lesnar and Dave Batista go at it, either of those would be good matches.

And Angle never beat Lesnar. Lesnar took out both Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Hass, and Kurt had Heyman hit Lesnar with a chair, resulting in Lesnar winning the match by DQ. Lesnar and Benoit also beat the crap out of Team Angle at No Way Out, so I dunno when you think Angle ever beat Lesnar.

Lesnar has only TRULY lost once, and that was against the Big Show. When I say TRULY lost, I mean lost as a result of him being pinned for the threecount. I don't care about this DQ shiznit. He has only lost once, against the Big Show at Survivor Series (which I was actually at, my first WWF event)

can u guys say off topic????? this is supposed to be about who would win spiderman or dare devil not the WWE/WWF...if you want to talk about the WWF so much y dont u just make another topic instead of completely destroying another one