Read the conversation carefully. You'll experience the sensation of the emotion, but won't know what to make of it unless you have experiences to draw on.

*Ahem*

It would seem conversations have once again begun to pick up.

I must say the ideal of never having past experiences to build from would put you in a lack of experience that is considered ignorance by society.

My whole childhood I was a nonsocailize.....and I've had my share of rather ill experiences I wouldn't want to mention again.

Oddily, I....me SBYRD5 am most happy when I'm alone.....and feel a sense of fear when in tight spaces and large groups of people.

Some ofus would crumble at the idea of silence around ourselves and begin to pace in a panic.....and call it boredom...

When actually such a moment should be considered peace....

<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>NO IGNORANCE IS THIS TOPIC PLEASE!....</span>

(Including myself.... ??? )

Hey let's get Nantuko Joe in here...this topic could really be sweets for the mind....

Well dan, and elena... i disagree and still do, tho i'm always missing a few examples and prooves of my theories in debate, i can still give you a few ones here and there. let me start with the example of elena about this child who would go alone !

let's say i retake the very same example...
the child wants to go outside but before leaving he just IMAGINE, what it would be without his mother !
boom, he feals fear of leaving her, he has emotions withouts having experienced them, he feels alone because he wouldn'T see his mother again ! so he feels those emotions just because he thought about it !

he didn't experienced it himself, but it is like it even tho it didn't happened !

see what i mean, emotions aren't just physical they are spiritual as well. so your imagination can make you feels things without it to actually have truly hapenned ! thus giving you emotions without the need for experience, this doesn't mean it is the way it will happen when it will if it happen one day. but still you felt an emotion based on things you never experienced !

Karma your theory can't be correct because for one to IMAGINE one must have a thought to imagine with.

To have a thought is an ideal gained from experience.

Without experience you really can't think for yourself...there for I believe you would have no personal opinion.


So without Experience....you can't do much except for breath.....but some nwborn infants need help at birth to do that.....

Once one learned how to breath I continued to breath....if I never gained the experience to learn how...I would've never been me today.

So without experience.....there would be nothing....=/ :shocked:



Edited By SBYRD5 on April 18 2004 at 08:39

lol reminds me of my convo with my friend when she tried to commit suicide lol.

Come on SBYRD5: you knowbetter then that !

imagination is not part of your daily logic. it is more of an idea that you get, and by what you say to me is... without thought their is no emotions, then i ask you this...

if i don't think, how can you be here and loving this place ?
why did loved this game, why are so people always having emotions !

same goes for one thing !
that is my theory again...
when someone close to you die. i'm at the fatr end of the world. yet i never lived this, but i still feel bad for you because i can easily imagine the scene and that makes me have the emotions. surely i won't have the same as you, but i don't need to have lived it to know what you go thru !

so my theory is based on fact about humanity here. humanity cannot be without thought and thought is what makes you imagine situations, if you have imagination then you don't need to have lived thru things to have emotions !

last example... my friend here gived me th ebest example i can get... without emotions, there would be no war, nothing like that, as everything you do is based on an emotions.

as long as you want something... at that exact moment where you wanted something, you showed an emotion !
see, this world without emotions wouldn't be 1 thousands of millions away from this civilization !

anyone know empathy? the fact is, if a person is in touch with the socratic theory of knowledge... the fact that we know all and just need to tap into that knowledge, means we CAN immagine how the other person is feeling. put yourself in their shoes. goin off on elena: this is an essential part of social existance. if you cannot empathise, you cannot communicate. not many can, so they just do the next best thing: sympathise.
U can immagine infinite numbers of situations in your mind.
For example, i never experienced getting shot, but I can immagine the enormous amount of fear and pain. If we couldn't immagine how something is like, then we cannot experience emotions, thus fear? If we don't fear the car coming toward us, then we don't move because we never had that experience? The thing is, we have instincts and we have logic. Emotions are an evolved form of instincts which work toghether with the brain to create these different reactions. You could say its a kind of negative reinforcement you give yourself. In animals, instincts such as fear would keep the individual out of danger. For smarter animals, emotions can provide positive and negative reinforcement depending. The thing is, there are billions of explenations and contraddictions in the world. What ever take you have on a subject, there will always be someone to bring you down. Fear is inborn, love is inborn, envy is inborn. they are evolved versions of instincts, fear: survival from predators, love: survival of the species, envy: survival from competition.
One more point:
have you ever had a dream where you died? Where you fell off a cliff and hit the ground? Where you got shot? Where you did something you never had done before maybe like driving a car/stick/whatever? Did you ever then try to do it and you could? What about seeing something in a dream that you never experienced before but was exactly what happened to you later? You can argue that we have a pre-cognitive ability or you could say that... its the MAAATRIX.. or maybe that it was passed on genetically? but simply put, you cant explain everything... or anything. you can just have it make sense to you. just like eggplant pizza makes sense to me.

[quote:post_uid0="Elena"]Dan Hibiki
There I disagree and agree at the same time. You can have feelings without experiences. Let's take being a baby for example. The baby will feel very happy when it is with it's mother, but as soon as it is away from it's mother then the baby will feel sad. The baby may not know what this emotion is, but the baby will still have it. This baby hasn't lived enough to have enough experiences to know what happy and sad is but the baby will still feel it. And might act on it by crying or laughing or smiling...

But, then I agree with you when you say you can't feel alone unless someone teaches you to feel alone. I agree with you because...a child who has lived with his mother at all times and never once stepped outside to view the world. Has never felt alone. Even though to us he seems alone. That child has never actually felt alone, but as soon as he stepped outside into the busy world. He feels alone, because his mother is not with him. His mother taught him that he will always be alone if she is not by him....hope you get what i'm saying...

Btw I stoped...
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Karma...I don't know if you read what I said correctly or if i stated it wrong but I said you CAN have feelings without experiences...then i disagreed when dan said you can't feel alone unless you are taught it.

true....u can have feeling without experiences..