yeah, that unicron guy looks pretty cool, but who said he couldn't be defeated by DBZ characters? he's about the size of a planet, so vegeta or somebody can just blow him in to pieces.

Yeah...good idea...why don't ya go make a topic on Transfromers...

[quote:post_uid0="Gotenks13"]That could have been prevented...

1. We are able to use any powers we can to defeat SF...sooo...why wouldn't he do it before the end?

2. I think that earlier someone said it just had to be a K.O. so I'm not too sure anymore. If it were K.O.s though, DBZ would still win.[/quote]
I never said he wouldn't bring them back... I just said (in the past, with Dan, and now again) that Enma would know not to bring them back until the fight is over. After it is all done, then he could/would send them back. The reasoning for this, is because he's shown that he only sends people back when he really needs to. Otherwise, he just lets them be. This should be in the manga, as it usually shows all emotions from each and every character. However....

lol, and i bet all the dbz characters can teach each other the fusion dance and fuse into a super being.

Actually, Shin Bison would probably fight the DBZ people to uncover their "true power" so that he could try to absorb it into his Psyco Power, and the same thing goes for a lot of other people (except without the Psyco power part...).

Enma would NOT bring back fighters. It is NOT a fight to save the universe.

Didn't he just say that the fight wasn't on normal circumstances?

You are NOT thinking, Nantuko Joe, and you are NOT taking into account Enma's personality. We can reason that Shin Bison has his own reasons for fighting, but we CAN'T reason that somehow Enma thinks that it is crucial to resurrect the DBZ fighters. NO WAY.

Not only is your argument cheesy and an attempt at getting back at Gill's mere existence in the SF world, it is also complete bull no matter how you break it down. Enma would NEVER do such a thing as you are describing.

Even if you said that Shin Bison wouldn't fight along with the SF fighters, then it would not change anything. It has already been determined that Shin Bison wouldn't do anything significant to the balance of power.

[color=green]Chill out dude. I was using Shin Bison as an example. This is what I'm trying to get across...

You're correct in saying "Enma would NEVER do such a thing, blah blah blah, blah blah blah". It's all true, but only under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES. In the true DBZ storyline, then yes, Enma would not revive someone unless it was a life-or-death situation.

However, under normal circumstances, would the sides of good and evil in Street Fighter be fighting alongside each other? Would they just say "Screw our lifelong feud, let's get DBZ!"? No. Would Goku NORMALLY be fighting alongside his worst enemies? No? Would Street Fighter characters even be fighting against DragonballZ characters? No?

Now, in this debate, it's ALL of the Street Fighter characters versus ALL of the DBZ characters. Each side wants to win, and can and will do anything possible to help their side win. Enma is a DBZ character. Sure, he wouldn't normally revive someone unless the circumstances are dire, but at this moment, in this debate, he's fighting WITH the DBZ characters, and AGAINST the SF characters, and for the purpose of this debate, will do ANYTHING to help the DBZ fighters the win. This includes resurrection.

If there was a SF fighter who only used a special attack in extreme, sake-of-the-world situations, would you include him in this debate? Even if it would win you the debate?

Enma, for the sake of this debate, is like any of the Z fighters. He's fighting alongside them to destroy the enemy. If constant resurrection would help the Z fighters to the win, then so be it, he can do so. But you can't say "he wouldn't do it in the DBZ storyline, so he can't do it here," because if that were the case, then you could also say "Buu can't fight alongside Goku, because he wouldn't do it in the DBZ storyline."

Well, if you're still going on about the Enma thing, then I think I have a way to stop it. Morrigan can be used in this fight, because she has been included in the SF universe before. If you want proof, check the SFA2 Ken's stage, and look at these pictures:

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Check both of these things out, and like Tarkan said "Trust the gameplay, not the manga". So, Morrigan can and will be used in this debate.

Well, technically because Morrigan is included, if somehow this debate continues we can call on the other Darkstalkers by association.

It did happen in a game. We win. Morrigan steals all of the Z fighter's souls, making it so that King Enma can't do anything.

Just wanted to drop by...

Roll: replying to your post about Morrigan in SF universe, those pics don't count. Pocket Fighter, or Super Puzzle fighter doesn't coincide with the SF storyline, and the Morrigan, and others in Ken's Alpha 2 stage is just a dress up birthday party for Eliza.

tarkan is right, morrigan isn't a street fighter. those pocket/puzzle fighter things are just like the vs series, they're mixed up by capcom.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]tarkan is right, morrigan isn't a street fighter. those pocket/puzzle fighter things are just like the vs series, they're mixed up by capcom.[/quote]
Yep

You have permission to stop agreeing with Tarkan...

We have not yet begun to debate.

...well... actually.... I'll have to ask Dan about something, because I don't want to screw up this debate by adding it if it just wierds everything out.

Joe, Enma would never revive the Z warriors for something so very petty. You can't go against his personality. Through PURE AND UNADULTERATED LOGIC that part of your agument is done.

You can somehow argue that Shin Bison would cooperate with Ryu (loosely) and that Goku and Kid Buu would cooperate (loosely) as well using some argument (there's been such odd alliances in DBZ, like Vegeta and Goku), but the simple fact is that Enma doesn't give a damn.

Dan, why won't you get it through your thick A&W Rot Beer head that this isn't under normal circumstances...we might as well say we can change their personalities...

*personality change*

Gotenks: Enma, will you infinitely revive us if we get killed during this debate?

Enma: Sure.

There you go...

As for the Dragonballs, 5 wishes should be more than enough to stop SF...

1. Take away Gill's immortality.

2. Give all or just one of the "Z" fighters immortality.

3. Force SF to forfeit the debate. :biggrin:

4. Still two wishes...

5. What now?

P.S.- Dan, you're not really thick-headed are you?

Dan: What are we talking about?

IT GOES AGAINST HIS VERY PERSONALITY! DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME THICK-HEADED AGAIN! ALSO, THIS IS BETWEEN THE STREET FIGHTERS AND THE DBZ WARRIORS, AND HAS JACK #### TO DO WITH THE DRAGONBALLS!!! ARE THE DRAGONBALLS CHARACTERS?? WHAT IS THAT?? NO???? THAT'S RIGHT! THEY AREN'T PEOPLE, AND CAN'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS DEBATE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T CHARACTERS AND THUSLY DON'T DO #### TO THIS DEBATE!

Joe...come in here...Tarkan...come in here...I can't handle this on my own...

When did we limit this to warriors and characters? Hehe...

And Dan, read my sig...besides, I thought I made it clear in my post that it was a joke...

I'm taking a brief respite from this debate. If you can't tell, my blood pressure can't take it.

Just have something to say(mostly against DB).


Wasn't this about the people that don't get killed is the winner? So why are people bringing up Emma? If your killed, you lose, even if you get revived, you still lose, since you died.

...Doesn't the seraphic wing attack disintegrate anything in it's path...?


(note: I said something before this, and it was redundant. I changed it to this, so it wouldn't be so...bad)

ok i misted about 65 pages.... mind fillin me in?

When we began this debate, we never gave a damn about personalities. It was like this: all the SF characters teaming up to defeat all the DBZ characters. Who would win? Personalities are beside the point in this debate. Enma is just like any DBZ character. Fcuk his normal personality, in this situation, his only goal is to help the DBZ characters win. End of story.

If we were taking personalities into account, the fight would look like this:

Vegeta automatically attacks. Tien starts to use the Shin Kikoho. Goku pleads with Tien to stop, then says "SF characters, we'll beat you. We dont' want to fight you. Please go back to where you came from, we don't want to hurt you." And Kuririn, Chaozu, and Yamucha would merely run away.

However, we're not taking personality into account. Enma's powers are totally legal in this debate, end of story.

Therefore, by your logic, once Gill's body dies, then Gill's out of the fight. I quote from you "If your killed, you lose, even if you get revived, you still lose, since you died." Therefore, even if Gill has an infinite supply of new bodies waiting for him, he still loses, since his first body died, and therefore, he's automatically removed from the debate.

Let's end this debate then. Gill fries all of the Z fighters with unbearable temperatures, OR he can Seraphic Wing near-infinitely and disintegrate them all, OR he can freeze them and shatter them. End of story.

Um, yes? Joe, I'm afraid we've won this debate.

I say Seraphic Wing because, as you might've noticed from EVERY Z-fighter, they stand around and watch the person do the attack for the first time. Goku can't know what Gill is doing, and so they wait around and see what's up. In either case, Goku requires the necessary time to fire the Kame Hame Ha, and Gill can just fire off one of those Seraphic Wings near-infinitely.

Joe, we win and you lose.

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]Um, yes? Joe, I'm afraid we've won this debate.[/quote]
thoughs who try to end a debate so suddenly, know they're about to lose. sucks, huh dan?

[quote:post_uid0="Dan Hibiki"]I say Seraphic Wing because, as you might've noticed from EVERY Z-fighter, they stand around and watch the person do the attack for the first time. Goku can't know what Gill is doing, and so they wait around and see what's up. In either case, Goku requires the necessary time to fire the Kame Hame Ha, and Gill can just fire off one of those Seraphic Wings near-infinitely.

Joe, we win and you lose.[/quote]
No. When Goku first arrived on Namek, Rikkum was gonna try and use his Rikkum Bomber, but as you remember, Goku knocked him out. When Goku fought Android 19, he didn't wait and see if he had any special abilities, he just started to beat the crap out of him. When Goku fought Yakon, he didn't see if he had any special abilities, he just blew the fcuker up. When SSJ3 Goku fought Buu (1st time), he didn't wait to see any special abilities, he just fought him.

When USSJ1 Vegeta fought SP Cell, Vegeta didn't wait and see if Cell was gonna use any special attacks, he just beat the crap out of him, pausing only to allow him to absorb Juuhachigou. Same as USSJ1 Trunks: When SP Cell was gonna absorb Juu, Trunks beat the crap out of him.

When Piccolo fought Cell (1st time), Piccolo didn't say "Hmm...he's got my ki. And Goku's. and Gohan's. Lemme wait and see what his abilities are." He just fought him, with no care to their special abilities.

My point is, when they're facing a strong opponent, they dont' wait and see their attacks. They just beat the crap out of them. Therefore, they'd see Gil powering up for a Seraph Wing (or sense his ki), then be afraid and pound him.

And Goku doesn't need THAT much time to charge a Kamehameha. It'll go like this (about the speed at which you read this:

"Ka.........me...........ha...........me.......... "

*teleports*

"Ha!"

Gill wouldn't know what hit him.

BTW: What type of attack is Seraph Wing? Beam? Projectile? Shield?

Seraphic wing is an immensely destructive expansive barrier. It covers EVERYTHING around Gill when he does it, and is the power of a God on Earth.

Joe, you are missing the point. As soon as somebody STARTS to do an ability, they stand around and twitch violently saying things like, "No... this... can't be..." and then the person does it.

Goku's Kame Hame Ha requires time to prepare. Seraphic Wing can be thrown out instantaneously.