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i ask a question to anyone who can answer with a "not too stupid answer".

if the Zwarriors are that strong against frieza, cell and buu, what does a simple human doesn't have that makes him unable to be at that same power level ?

remember that Kururin, yamcha and tien are humans !

in this point of view they are all equals in power, it is just training who makes em going that far ! so SF chars ARE equal to DB chars !

what do you think of my POV ?

In DB"Z", Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan are the only true humans on earth who can control their "ki" or "chi". "Ki" is what some Japanese/Asian ppl believed in, a kind of mystical energy source. Kuririn, Yamucha, and Tenshinhan can all control and manipulate their "ki", and therefore are much, much stronger than the rest of the human race.

So therefore, the power of the character's "ki" is just as important (if not more important) then the character's training, and therefore does not make them equal to SF characters.

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The Humans by the end of DB"Z" didn't pass the level of one million, though it's not known, Krillin doesn't train after Cell dies, and loses power, Yamucha doesn't train after Cell dies and loses power, Tien still trains after Cell dies, but he only trains in the wild life, not nothing big like gravity, or stuff like that

Tenshinhan has to have passed a power level of 1 million! According to your power levels, you have the Androids at over 100 million each! Now, since Cell not only was stronger than the androids, but ABSORBED android 17, then Cell (according to your levels) must be over 250 million! Now, how could a less-than-1-million level Tenshinhan hold off a greater-than-250-million Semi-perfect Cell with a Shin Ki Ko Ho? Yes, I realize that Shin Ki Ko Ho is an extremely powerful move, but if the user has less than 1 million, there's no way it could hold off someone thats around 250 million. I'm going to have to say that Tenshinhan was powered up while using Shin Ki Ki Ho, and therefore had a pl of way over 1 million.

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I might be the first to ask.. what is a POV? is it a theory? but since your "POV" has to do with what you said, it's wrong, but it's a good try

POV means Point Of View.

Perfect Cell had a power level of 300 million something

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ki or chi translates to energy, it's the definition of what you said....

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So therefore, the power of the character's "ki" is just as important (if not more important) then the character's training, and therefore does not make them equal to SF characters.

Smost of the SF cast can manipualte ki like the DB characters...

And especially the strongest SF characters...

Akuma
Oro
Bison
Twlve(doesnt have ki)
Gill(doesnt really manipulate ki)

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yeah Cell is much over 250 million by my PL's, but I still don't think Tenshinhan passed one million...

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Now, how could a less-than-1-million level Tenshinhan hold off a greater-than-250-million Semi-perfect Cell with a Shin Ki Ko Ho? Yes, I realize that Shin Ki Ko Ho is an extremely powerful move, but if the user has less than 1 million, there's no way it could hold off someone thats around 250 million. I'm going to have to say that Tenshinhan was powered up while using Shin Ki Ki Ho, and therefore had a pl of way over 1 million.

Tenshinhan doesn't have a Power level way over one million, and even if he was one million, I doubt, and most people would too doubt that Tenshinhan would be way over one million...

Lets take things into concideration:

Tenshinhan does a shin kikohou on semi-perfect Cell...

The Shin Kikouhou doesn't make a single dent on Cell, it just pushed him back, that's it.

The Shin kikouhou was over ten million by my PL's, but was no where near Cell, and Tenshinhan in the manga wore out pretty easily...

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Perfect Cell had a power level of 300 million something

I sincerely doubt that....

Okay... I got the theory why Freiza's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd forms had to be over 50% at start....

Well we know Freiza form 1 at max is 530,000, and form 2 max is 1,060,000, and form 3 is 2,120,000....

well 50% of 1,060,000 is 530,000, Freiza is stated to always be above his previous level no matter what..., so he has to be at least 60% at start when he transformed into form 2...

form 3 goes for the same for form 2, his max at form 3 is 2,120,000, if Freiza used 50% of his max in form 3, he'd be at his max level in form 2, which Freiza stated to always be above his previous level no matter what...,

form 4, freiza doubled his power from form 3, and was at 20% at start up in form 4....

Well about form 1, it goes for the same like 2 and 3, though you can't really clarify it clearly because there isn't a form before that....

But Freiza at form 1 50% would be at 265,000, but we don't know what freiza form 1's % was at when "fighting" Vegeta...

But we can take other theories from Freiza...

-Freiza can't be at max in any of his forms, because it'll really stress out Freiza

-Freiza's % always end in "0"

-Freiza starts out over 50% in form 2 and form 3

Well Frezia's max's MAX is 15 million and SSJ Goku was 19 million... So how did we get into the hundred millions???
Oh could you also post at the two points Piccolo was the strongest....thats all.
Oh Tarkan X you need to be a high level Bot or something,
and yes your points about Frezia are very exact.I know this because lately in the offical Dragon Ball Z website. The sponsers and voice ppl explained power levels.(The one about Cell at 300 million was way off). Besides that everything was right on.Yes and keep up the posting you may get an award....maybe. ;)

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Well Frezia's max's MAX is 15 million and SSJ Goku was 19 million... So how did we get into the hundred millions???

Freiza's max wasn't at 15 million, and SSJ Goku wasn't at 19 million, whatever SSJ Goku's PL is, it's even with form 4 freiza at max, it's probably "over 20 million", but not by much.

Look down at the previous pages to see how we got into hundred millions, I dont feel like repeating myself 1,000 times...

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Oh could you also post at the two points Piccolo was the strongest....thats all

Piccolo was the stronggest Z warrior when he permanently fused with Nail(at the time before Vegeta got healed), and also Piccolo was the strongest Z warrior in the time when he fused with Kami-sama

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Oh Tarkan X you need to be a high level Bot or something,

...dubya tee eff....

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and yes your points about Frezia are very exact.I know this because lately in the offical Dragon Ball Z website. The sponsers and voice ppl explianed power levels.(The one about Cell at 300 million was way off)

Don't go to that official DB"Z" site, that site is the dubbie site... and Cell's PL should be much higher than 300 million.....

yall know alot about dragonball z and gt and all the other ones. me, i love the show and know that dragonball would win over streetfighter.
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Tarkan, I was just about ready to accept your pls for Furiza (that at 100% power form 4 he was around 20 million), but then I remembered something: Goku was at 90,000 max while fighting Ginyu. After he healed (and went SSJ), then he must have been at 20 million to combat Furiza, right?

So, how the hell could Goku go from a 90 thousand max to a 20 million max in the matter of a few episodes? Here, I have charted Goku's various growths during DBZ:

Goku Vs: Radditsu (w/o weighted clothing): 416
Goku's Kamehameha: 924

Now, we can consider his power level using the Kame Hame Ha as his max power. Now, the next level we have for Goku is while fighting Nappa. At his max power (after powering up), he was around 8,000. That would indicate a 850% increase in his power (if my math is correct).

Now, not counting Kaio-kens during this period, his max was around 8,000. The next level we have for him is at 90,000 on namek. Going from 8,000 to 90,000 would indicate around a 1,100% increase in his power. Now, we can't determine the next time Goku maxes out without using the Kaio-ken, because he was using it the entire fight with Furiza. Therefore, the next max level we would have for Goku would be SSJ Goku at his max. Since you have Furiza listed at around 20 million, let's assume that Goku was also at 20 million (they were pretty evenly-matched during the fight. That would indicate a 22,200% increase in his power. 22,200%! In about a day! For Goku to increase the 850% to fight Nappa, it took a whole year. To increase the 1,100% increase it took I think a month, while training under extremely harsh conditions (100x earths gravity). Now, for someone to make a 22,200% increase just by being healed and transforming in a day or so seems extremely unrealistic, even compared to normal DBZ growth levels.

If you see any big errors in my calculations (and I'm sure you will), please feel free to support your own calculations and correct me where necessary.