yep

yep


yep, most SF characters...

true....


Vegeta wasn't even with Freiza in form 1, after the grappling, Vegeta is stressed, and Freiza acts like nothing happened, and on top of that, Freiza wasn't using his max, because he couldn't use it.

Piccolo was a bit stronger than freiza form 2 at 90%, he states it, but he would have a weaker power level than freiza form 2 at 100%, but freiza cant go 100% or he'll get stressed.

Form 3 was quick, he just threw little palette balls and piccolo, then gohan attacked freiza with a big masenko, but freiza threw it at Gohan.


the only ones he was stonger than was krillin, and Gohan, Goku needed kaio-ken to keep up with freiza, without kaio-ken, Goku would've lost easily.

No, Goku SSJ was stronger than freiza, but freiza at 100% was even with goku until stress kicked in form freiza.

That is true Freiza's MAX 100% of his final form was to much stress for his body.So eventally Goku over powered him.

Oh Tarkan X you don't need to answer this but how did Goku learn to fly the Sayian Ship back to earth after the fight with Freiza when the language was not in earthling but sayian.

That just supports my cause even more. :D

I got "Changeling" from Planet Namek, just as a way to describe their race. Because they can transform and "change" into different forms, many ppl refer to them as "Changelings".

They didn't show us Kold's other forms prolly because it would have taken too much time out of the manga/anime eps. I also agree that Kold was prolly at level 2, and if that was so, then any higher levels of Kold would be stronger than Furiza level 4.

And as far as Tenshinhan's statement goes, it must have been changed from manga to anime. In the anime, he says that Kold's Ki is stronger than Furiza's.

Then things must have gotten REALLY f-ed up between the manga and special. In the manga, what was Trunks' "motivation" to go SSJ? In the special, the rage that Trunks felt when Gohan was killed was the trigger to allow him to go SSJ.

Okay, lemme see...
Furiza Form 1 50% power: 265,000 (I'm going to guess that Furiza was at half his max when he grasped hands with Vegeta, because Vegeta prolly couldn't get up to 530,000.
Furiza Form 1 100% power: 530,000 (If Furiza was to go to max, that would be the level.)
Furiza Form 2 100% power: 1,060,000 (Furiza's power was doubled after Transformation)
Furiza Form 3 100% power: 2,180,000 (Furiza's Power doubles again)

Now that I have those levels, please fill in the rest of Furiza Form 4 powers for me.

Also, about what you said about my levels for Goku at 3 mil and Furiza at 4 mil, Goku was prolly just faster and more agile than Furiza (just like Piccolo vs. Furiza form 2)



And your quotes about the power levels, why are you putting Vegeta Form 4 when he first transforms even to Vegeta? Vegeta was nowhere near as powerful as Furiza form 4, and Furiza never had to power up to fight Vegeta

I'll answer this...
In the anime at least (I dunno about the manga), Goku tries Furiza's ship, but it is broken and falls into the lava. Goku floats in the air and screams (and that is when we think Namek explodes). However, Goku sees one of the Ginyu ships and flies inside and just keeps hitting random buttons and passes out. When he awakes, he's on Planet Yardratt (It must have been the next planet on the Ginyu's course). I'm guessing that to get from Yardratt to Earth, goku puzzled out the language while on Yardratt.

I think i speak on behalf of everyone when i say, this thread should immediately be moved away to the non-related xmvssf, general filter. I mean what the heck does streetfighter vs. dragonball have to do with any xmvssf strategy or comments for that matter. I arrive on the forums today expecting to read a game wise strategy from an rival first hand. And what do i get streetfighter vs dragonballz. 18 pages of this crap. I mean for anyone that watches dragonball, will know the power level of zwarriors far exceeds the power level from all the street fighter characters combined together.

It's the samething as the anime...

maybe....

yep, it was changed...

In the manga, you don't see Trunks turn SSJ for the first time, but I assume it was Gohan's training, and his dead friends he never knew.

Freiza should be over half his max whenever he transforms(not including form 4), I don't know why this is, but people debated at planet namek, and they found out freiza was over 50%, I'm going to have to look into this some more.

Yeah freiza's power doubled, but he was never at max in form 2, but a % for when he fought Piccolo, it has to be near 90% for obvious reasons, just ask me and I'll tell you...

when freizas power doubles to form 3, it should be 2,120,000 at max, not 2,180,000


Freiza form 4, 20%: 4,240,000(doubled)
Freiza form 4, 30%: 6,360,000
Freiza form 4, 50%: 10,600,000
Freiza form 4, 70%: 14,840,000
Freiza form 4, 100%: 21,200,000

You can disagree on thse, but I did calculations from the manga, and these seem pretty accurate, at least to me....

*check manga frames*

Looks like Freiza is going at a bit faster speed than Goku...

Well when freiza just transformed, vegeta was healed, then after Freiza killed dende with a blast, then aimed for Gohan, but Vegeta Got in the way, and slapped Gohan, then the blast exploded. Vegeta was fast enough to see the blast, and slap Gohan's back so he doesn't get hit.

Then Freiza says, uh oh, he might be a threat, then after he powers up, but the power up doesn't look explosive.

And that is why we debate...

When I posted a topic, there wasn't a general forum, so I had to post it here, if you don't like reading this go away...(not to be mean or anything...)

Yes joe thats what I thought but I was looking for more of an answer that would explain my question but good info...

Oh and I think I like your Forum the best.

I think it could be an equal fight if the did not teleport and stuff like that.
or...
How about we just combine them...

http://www.dbgt.com/gifs/s3.gif

Yeah, plz check into that for the both of us.

And sorry about the furiza 3 pl, that's New Jersey state education for you :D

Those are correct mathematically, but noone knows the exact % power Furiza was at when he first went form 4. If what you say can be proven to be more accurate than mine, then I'll accept your levels.

I see...

Is there any site you know of that posts the manga? I've gotta read it myself to believe it.

Thanks. Have you registered for it yet?

Exactly. No one's forcing you to read it.

i ask a question to anyone who can answer with a "not too stupid answer".

if the Zwarriors are that strong against frieza, cell and buu, what does a simple human doesn't have that makes him unable to be at that same power level ?

remember that Kururin, yamcha and tien are humans !

in this point of view they are all equals in power, it is just training who makes em going that far ! so SF chars ARE equal to DB chars !

what do you think of my POV ?

Well since Toriyama hates using PL's, and he puts about all of his PL's ending in 0's(except the 1st PL's given), he might as well put % in ending 0's.

20%(transformed)
30%(against Goku's kk*10, and against Vegeta)
50%(against Goku's kk*20)
70%(against genki-dama, and SSJ Goku)
100%(against SSJ Goku)

Well the only site I know of is dbzgtlegacy.com, but they have hardly anything on it....

There is another great site called Toriyamaworld.com led by AK of Troy(quite possibly has the best knowledge of DB, but only under to Toriyama).

The Humans by the end of DB"Z" didn't pass the level of one million, though it's not known, Krillin doesn't train after Cell dies, and loses power, Yamucha doesn't train after Cell dies and loses power, Tien still trains after Cell dies, but he only trains in the wild life, not nothing big like gravity, or stuff like that.

Not necessarily

I might be the first to ask.. what is a POV? is it a theory? but since your "POV" has to do with what you said, it's wrong, but it's a good try.