thank you

This isn't a video-game or Tenkaichi Budoukai-type matchup. This is a frigging all-out brawl.

Like above, this is an all-out brawl. And it is indeedly possible that Akuma could have been killed early on by someone such as SSJ3 Goku or Gotenks.

So far in this debate, we're only down to Gill remaining, and we're ONLY debating methods of removing GIll from the fight. Tark, you and vegetam have already admitted that everyone would be killed by the Z fighters except for Gill. For the past few pages, we have been debating about Gill, and no one else. Therefore, we must assume that the rest of the SF team has already either been killed or KOd

That's because Furiza had an "evil" ki. As you all know, the Genki Dama draws energy from sources of "good" ki. Therefore, it would naturally be able to singe Furiza's hands.

WHen Buu regenerated from Gotenks' Kamikaze Attacks, it was because Buu and Gotenks were roughly at the same power level. Therefore, Gotenks' blasts didn't affect him as much as the Genki Dama. WHen Goku formed the Genki Dama taht destroyed BUu, it contained the energy of ALL THE HUMANS AND OTHER LIFE, and therefore was stronger than Buu in pure measure of energy. THAT is why the Genki Dama killed Buu.

Tark, you could simply create a boomspeed.com account and upload the pics yourself

Yes. HOwever, when he heals himself, it DOES NOT restore his lost energy, does it? It's kind of like Piccolo's Sai Sei. It regenerates his lost limbs, but does NOT restore any lost energy

Not quite. Since the body is the soul's vessel through life, his soul will be transported to the afterlife along with the body. Although Gill will not be dead (since he's a deity), neither his body nor his soul will be able to escape the afterlife and back into the normal dimension

Ok

As is Kaio-/Kibito's Kai Kai and Goku's Shunkan Idou. They are both teleportations that allow them to traverse great distances WITHOUT the passage of time. Goku's Shunkan Idou seems to take longer because he is busy trying to find the ki target

Yay! :D :buttrock:

It restores ALL his energy.

Gill's soul remains, Gill can't go to the afterlife(shown against Akuma). WHile his body can, his soul can't, because his body is immortal.



Okay, I found a way to counter the Buu's putty. Gill flies up in the air, really high. So his "putty" can't get him. I still haven't found a way to counter Gills distraction of Vegetto, and Buu's Henka beam, so I guess your still winning.

tarkan x after reading that link you gave me there doesn't seem to be any part that says gill is immortal, it just stays that he's EXTREMELY powerful, but nothing about him being an immortal. it says that everytime his body is destroyed, his organization has to make a body for gill's soul

Read your last sentence, Vegetam.

exactly, so there's no part that says gill can fight with his soul

And what can wandering souls do..? :biggrin:

???

um... what? what CAN they do?

How is that possible? So, that's basically like saying he can never run out of energy, because if he gets low, he can just use an energy-based move to restore his energy? I don't think that's right, man

That's not true, according to what princevegetam found out...

Not if he, once again, gets caught off-guard, just like Gotenks and Piccolo were. Gotenks had no idea that the attack was coming, and he still couldn't fight back against it. If the attack hit Buu from one or two sides, it could surprise him long enough for the putty to wrap around him. Once it does that, it's all over

Sweet, man. THerefore, the organization that provides Gill with bodies is prolly made up of humans, who can be killed by even the lowest DBZ fighter. Therefore, Gill's body dies, but he has no body to go into. His spirit wanders the earth as a ghost

They can "haunt" old mansions, scare old ladies and children, have wild urban legends started about them, and that's pretty much it.

This once-interesting debate has become a travesty. I am ducking out. It is just repetitive nonsense instead of the original and interesting perspectives once shown here.

Nevermind... I don't feel like explaining it. Needless to say, I have lost interest in this debate.

So have I. You guys are arguing with each other so harshly, it's like listening to Banshee's screaming right next to your ear. Oh, and you forgot one more thing that wandering souls (not ghosts) can do. Think about it... it begins with a certain letter of the alphabet that is after "m" and is before "t". ;)

lol, hooray, a riddle.....

His soul is immortal, his body isn't. And Yeah his organization makes a body for him.

Play 3S, and you'll agree with me.



Forget it, this is getting boring, the same damn thing keeps getting brought up, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I give up, I don't like one sided debates, Joe, you win, I don't care anymore, DB"Z" beats SF, are you happy.... IMO, they can both suck big ****s. I only like debating PL's for DB"Z", I don't spend time trying to look up attacks in DB"Z", just the PL information.

Then I'll go make up a PL topic... :D

wow, first debate that actually ended in one side winning. incredible

... I still haven't given up on SF! (Sadly, the fight goes on with a little girl who just doesn't know when to quit..) I still don't see how DB would win. I have arguments.. but... :huh:

*sighs* I finally decided to swallow my pride and risk getting called names. Now... the following is just something I thought about over the last few nights in my spare time.

[color=skyblue:post_uid6]Over the last few nights, I was thinking about what someone (name is my secret) was talking to me about SF. That person said that a lot of the SF Characters were overpowerful (or had an added something) than they should've really been (or underpowered) in MvC2. However, they believe that the SF characters that where over-powered could've reached that state of power if they under-went the correct training. Those characters were: Akuma, Cammy(without air jumping), Chunli(without air jumping), Ken, Ryu, and Sakura. The other people that were underpowered, however, were M.Bison and Charlie. Going by that, I wonder if that would add a new piece to this debate. I mean, that would increase their strengths for this debate, and therefore change it![/color:post_uid6]
But... for that part... I need someone for that...

This may sound foolish,but don't forget the eternal Dragon of Earth,and New Namek.I think the Z fighters have an over weighing adventage.

Oh, sorry is this debate over.Hmm Roll's statement looks interesting...that could change a few things.

Well with that last statement said.
This debate is offically over now...or is it. :shocked:

I wonder if Enma can makw Gill stay in his world...I doubt it, but its worth a try.

Yeah, Nantuko, he could... if he weren't bound to the rules. As you know, he had no choice BUT to allow Vegeta to go back into the living plain (sp?) so he could fight against Buu. This was because the entire universe was in trouble. He can't just make people go back to life it's just a fight they are in. The SF's aren't threatening the entire universe (or the earth for that matter) in any way, and therefore, they wouldn't NEED to come back to life to defend anything. Of course, this is just something that came up while I was beating Cable with Roll in MvC2... feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Yeah, Nantuko, he could... if he weren't bound to the rules. As you know, he had no choice BUT to allow Vegeta to go back into the living plain (sp?) so he could fight against Buu. This was because the entire universe was in trouble. He can't just make people go back to life it's just a fight they are in. The SF's aren't threatening the entire universe (or the earth for that matter) in any way, and therefore, they wouldn't NEED to come back to life to defend anything. Of course, this is just something that came up while I was beating Cable with Roll in MvC2... feel free to correct me if I am wrong.[/quote]
If I were Enma, I would have let Buu destroy the universe. That way, once I check everyone into heaven and hell, i could retire and not deal with anymore deaths.

But Enma didn't HAVE TO send back Vegeta. He did so just so the earth could be saved. Enma makes the rules. He can just as easily unmake them, becase theres no one to stop him

Then that would mean he would be changing the rules of life and death. The dead would be able to go everywhere, even to the living plain if he changed the rules. And making rules that only affect a certain party is unfair to the unaffected, so it's doubtful he'd even try changing the rules (since it could be the downfall of his career).

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Then that would mean he would be changing the rules of life and death. The dead would be able to go everywhere, even to the living plain if he changed the rules. And making rules that only affect a certain party is unfair to the unaffected, so it's doubtful he'd even try changing the rules (since it could be the downfall of his career).[/quote]
No, he can choose who he allows to go. Remember, he's the lord of the afterlife. He can allow the DBZ warriors to return if he wishes, but if any of the SF fighters die, he can detain them, refusing to let them back. It's his choice, it doesn't have to be fair.

This only concludes that DBZ fighters own the Street Fighters.

I think Roll made an interesting point earlier in this page maybe one of you should comment on that.

Don't count SF out yet! I know I am missing something that is vital to this fight... just give me time to think... until then, find more strategies to beat Gill with, because that one about Buu eating Gill isn't very good, since Gill's soul is immortal, and since it isn't officially in tune with the body he is in, he can just leave when ever the body is destroyed (reference goes to the fact that new bodies are made for him whenever the older ones are destroyed.... thank you Tarkan...)

Hhmmm...Do you think that Akuma's Raging Demon (forgot the Japanese name) could send Gill's soul to hell? Maybe they could trick Gill into doing it to Gill by throwing Gill into the blast using SSJ2 Veggeto or SSJ3 Gotenks.

If that doesn't work, then maybe, hey wait, aren't all "souls" immortal? In movie 13, all of the evil souls merged and made Janemba. I'm sure that the same concept is used in the official series. No one's soul can actually be "killed". All of the humans that Buu killed lost there bodies, but Goku got to keep his because of a decision by Enma Daiou. When Gill's body is destroyed (by someone...), even if he gets a new one, that doesn't nesasarily (spell it right plz...) mean that he'll get to use it.

Hey, it's my 100th post!!!

Tark said that he tried it on Gill, but Gill was unaffected

Interesting reference, Gotenks (even though it's irrelevant in the debate). However, in the DBZ series, when a person dies, their body is destroyed, but their soul remains. However, their soul cannot remain on earth, it has to be transported to the Afterlife. GIll apparently is different. His physical body can be destroyed, but his spirit is immortal (kind of like the disembodied spirits of Star Wars, it can seek another body to live in w/o having to go to the afterlife

I do not believe Gill's spirit can leave the body unless the body is destroyed. I believe that the Henka Beam theory WILL work. Gill's body would be turned into food, and the spirit would be trapped inside the body until the body is killed. However, when one is eaten with the Henka Beam, they are not destroyed, but ABSORBED. Therefore, Gill would not die, but Gill's spirit and consciousness would be absorbed into Buu, allowing Buu to successfully control Gill's power.

Also, the Kai Kai teleportation theory also still works. IF Gill is teleported to the afterlife, he would be stranded, and unable to return to earth. His body and soul will still be ALIVE, but in a different dimension. And the only way to get back would be to ask Lord Enma's permission, which Enma can deny.

No, everybody who was eaten by Buu was in Heaven with Dabura, remember? They were DEAD, not absorbed.

...I think I found a way to counter-act the Lord Enma thing.. I just have to see if it is possible...

Damn! I was hoping you guys wouldnt remember that.

Well, Buu could also absorb Gill via his putty. And as we all know, when buu uses the putty absorption, the ppl are still alive in side of him.

There IS NO way to counteract the Lord Enma thing.

Awww... you're right... too bad. Look's like I have to use the last resort for Lord Enma. This battle is a "Who's the better fighter" type of fight. Lord Enma usually sends people back when the planet is in dire need of help. But, in this type of fight, he would know NOT to send them back until the fight is over. Which means, Gill would still be in there and he would still defeat them with any and all of his abilities, and when the fight is finally finished, Lord Enma would send those who died back because the side that won, won; and that side could be declared the stronger side.

Edit: Also, when the fight begins, Gill could just simply melt them all away... I owe Tarkan so much for telling the abilities of Gill in this thread, and for much more...

Sorry...but...what?

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Some good points, Steventhebol. But Sf has the upper hand in technique. They are able to learn to change their attacks easily to do what they need to do. So you never know. Like Chunli. She can use her kikoushou to defend. Same thing with every other projectile user. And also, Goku needs time to gain the power from the earth for his Spirit bomb. And he also lost that ability when he became a super Saiyan. M. Bison can multipy too (or at least create an illusion of it). Rose could absorb projectiles with her scarf (since they are 1 hitters...), Zangief could turn into Metal Zangief and do some super strong holds on them. Sakura could use her shouoken to defend against projectiles, and cause some serious damge. Ryu has his Shinkuu hadouken which is pulled off automatically. Ken has the dragon punches. Cammy has that cannon drill, along with the cannon spike. And if we involved all of capcom here, then this would be a heavy fight, but it doesn't involve it. Oh well. that's all I have.... for now... ;)[/quote]
cool so sf can do all if that and dbz can't cool :wow:

Not technically. Technically, everyone is supposed to stay DEAD, but if Enma wants to, he can revive ppl as he sees fit (he has the power to). Now, this isn't just a "strongest fighter" battle, but also more brains. Let's just say taht for the sake of argument, Akuma was really, really weak (like, Videl-strength weak), but still possessed the Shun Goku Satsu. Because he would be weak physically, but have a good ability, does that mean that he can't use it (since this is, as you said, a "Strongest fighter" battle)? No, it wouldn't be fair for a DBZ character to be excluded because of his abilities. Therefore, we can still use the Lord Enma thing.

And even if you wanted to be like taht, I still figured out a way to defeat GIll. Gill's spirit is immortal, but his body is not: a corporation makes him new bodies. However, since this is a "Strongest fighter" battle, we can't include the corp. that makes Gill's bodies (since they're only scientists, and not fighters, they'd be excluded). Therefore, that would leave Gill body-less, a wandering spirit. And I don't think Gill can fight using only his spirit, and for obvious reasons: if he COULD fight with his spirit, why would he keep needing bodies to reside in? Why couldnt' he just live as a spirit and be immortal? Because...he can't fight as a spirit.

Either way, DBZ still wins

Yeah, but there are lots of moves that DBZ CAN do and SF CAN'T do.