He only said that in the dub. He never made that statement in the Manga.

So that means you are not right about it

Once again, the dub. That was never said in the manga. The Saichourou only awakened SOME of Kuririn's inner power, but not all of it. Kind of like when Gohan went SSJ2 against Cell. He awakened SOME of it, but not ALL of it

I never said that, go back and read my post. I said that they can raise their power levels "ALMOST infinately". When I said, that, I exaggerated a wee bit, but just to drive home my point that the strongest human at his max power could never get even close to the strongest Saiya-jin at his max power.

Therefore, a Saiya-jin WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN WHATEVER I SAY AGAINST IT, and therefore DO NOT HAVE INFINITE POWER AND ARE NOT INVINCIBLE, and therefore CAN be included in this debate.

Zaabon: about 23,000
Vegeta: 24,000

Because Vegeta is stronger, he is able to best Zaabon. Then, Zaabon transforms into Zaabon Monster:

Vegeta: 24,000
Zaabon Monster: about 33,000

This way, Zaabon is WAY stronger than vegeta, and beats him easily. Vegeta is NEAR DEATH, HE ALMOST DIED, then gets healed. Because he got so close to death, his power-up was more than usual. Thus, I concluded that:

Zaabon Monster: about 33,000
Vegeta after healing: about 35,000

Thus, Vegeta was able to best Zaabon, and also Vegeta's pl also explains why he was able to stand up against Rikum of the Ginyu Tokusentai

Nope. You're giving him too much credit

Nope. You're over-exaggerating

all except ajtimbs

This is true.

THis is true

Yes, all fighters can raise there power levels, but not to the same level as a Saiya-jin.

And yes Tenshinhan is from earth

ok, let me put this into something else...
IF we put out the saiya-jin out of this... who would win ?

you will say that XMEN have all their chances !
why ? because its the saiya-jin who make the series or manga...
why ?
because akira toriyama wanted them to be the STARS of it ! it was just obvious that they would be unstopable !

example:
FREEZA was the strongest fighter alive and no one could even beat him, then GOKU came and beated him ! (SAIYEN)
CELL was the strongest monster they have ever meet, none of them could beat him except guess who, GOHAN (half SAIYEN) i consider only that SAIYEN half as he had gone SUPER and had a power way higher than anyone else. i doubt it was his HUMAN side !

BUU, the strongest monster they had to fought, guess who killed him ? you're right ! THE SO CALL SAIYEN !

now just tell me once where a human beated an EVIL char ?
you won't find as the humans aren't the MAIN characters of the show/manga !

now you said it yourself, he GOT HEALED and became STRONGER because he was ABOUT TO DIE... now, how many times does it happen that way in the show ? now you just prooves what i had said about the saiyen being to over powered in the show !

they could simply FART and the earth would blow up !
now, how many times will i have to say that these things cannot even be compared !

So what if the saiyans were the stars of dbz. Do you have f ckin problem with saiyans? And saiyans aren

First, Cell is part Saiya-jin, as he has Goku and Vegeta's DNA in his body.

And you HAVE to credit Gohan's human side. The human DNA in Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are what allow them to go SSJ at very early ages. It's been proven:

Goku: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Vegeta: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Gohan: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ early in life.
Goten and Trunks: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ earliest in life, they were both conceived AFTER their fathers were able to go SSJ.
Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. : 1/16 Saiya-jin, 15/16 Human. Went SSJ at around the age of four.

So you see, the human side of these characters are what allow them to go SSJ at early age

No. Yes, it is true that Goku was the one who directly killed Buu, but the thing that killed Buu was the Genki Dama. As you know, the Genki Dama is formed by the energy of all organic life that can be drawn from. Therefore, the defeat of Buu can be credited to all of the HUMANS of earth

Karma, you over-exxagerate too much. And you need to calm down and chill out, take a few deep breaths, switch to de-caf, or get a blowjob. Whatever it takes. You're too intense

Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it

That is true. The Saiya-jins need to train to raise their power. The mutants of X-Men need to train only to strengthen their physical bodies, and mental powers. However, no matter how much training, Cyclops beam can never get bigger, Wolverine's regeneration can never be faster, and Rogue's super-strength can't get any stronger

LMAO!!

[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"][Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it[/quote]
If you read his profile, then I think you'll know why. He sounds JUST like Vegeta! Silly lil man! *giggles* ^-^

oh, that profile, i haven't changed that thing since the day i joined this forum

nantuko: i am calm ! it's just that i hate people saying me i don't know a thing when i do have wathced the story entirely ! i do know all the details of it all and i do watch the show ! but YOU (as in you and vegetam) are always saying i don't know a thing ! at least that how i feel about every one of your post in this stupid thread !

vegetam: brings out the sayiens and guess who could have destroyed all those monsters !

i don't want to do much about everyone in here as what i will say will be rejected by everyone as i think no one has ever understood the principles of DBZ physics !

KRILLIN: is one of the very strong fighter. he is at the level of piccolo ! the only thing that makes him unable to do much, is the FEAR he always have ! he never died from punch kick or anything ! he always dies cause of blast ! tell that he isn't strong !

VIDEL: is very strong for a human ! once shew knew how to channel her KI, she start training more and now has becom way more than every single human !

SATAN: he too has a very strong body, he did survives every single blow this has been given to him !

conclusion: blast kills people, now the punch or anything... TRAINING is the key as you said it yourself !
if SAYIENs can train, why don't the human be able to train too and get that same power ? sayiens are just another race, yess i have no choice but to say that ! then again... THEY TRAINED to be that strong !

my point...
SAiya-jins TRAINS their POWER to be STRONGER
mutants TRAINS their BODY to be STRONGER

there is a big differences between POWER and BODY !
mutants don't have KI as their PRIMARY weapon ! DBZ char does ! that is why you can't compared DBZ and XMEN as they don't use the EXACT same PHYSICS !

it's like comparing JOYCE to SUPERMAN and asking who would win between them both !

Ok, about the human and Saiyan training, their different planetarian races. What do you expect?

A Saiyan can do the exact same amount of training, starting at the exact same power level, age, height and so on. However, because of the structure of Saiyan DNA, Saiyans will just get stronger than humans.

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but if I see a chance to prove my opponent wrong, I will do so. I've NEVER said "Karma, you don't know $hit about DBZ" at all. What I HAVE implied was that due to the fact that I watch the Japenese anime and have read some of the manga, I know more information on a more official level than you know.

Kuririn is NOWHERE NEAR the level of power that Piccolo is at. The last power-up that Kuririn got was by the Saichourou on Namek, and that brought his power up to around 17,500 by my standards. He couldn't do a damn thing to Furiza except cut his tail off, and that was AFTER he almost died.

Now look at Piccolo. After fusing with Nail, he was able to best Furiza Form 2. It was also stated that Furiza Form 2 was about 1,200,000 in power level (I'm going by Tarkan's guesses), and although Furiza was stronger, it was also stated that though Piccolo was weaker, he was faster, more agile, and a lot smarter than his opponent and that is why he was able to show Furiza up. I'd put Piccolo's power level at around 800,000

Now, let's say that they both continue their training normally after the Furiza Saga. Not only would Piccolo still be stronger than Kuririn later on in the saga, but he also re-fused with Kami-sama, giving him a HUGE boost in power. Kuririn got nowhere near that level, because he stopped training after Cell Games

And Kuririn HAS died before because of a non-blast attack. He died in DB at the hands of I think Drum, during a MARTIAL ARTS fight, with no ki manipulation involved. Then, in the Furiza Saga, he almost died at the hands of Furiza when he was stabbed through the chest (still, no ki involved). And the second and final time he DID die, it wasn't from a blast, but Furiza made the ki inside of Kuririn explode. Thus, in a way he self-destructed.

So in conclusion to that, Kuririn is not as strong as Piccolo, and he has never died from a beam.

VIDEL: she can use only one ki ability: Bukujutsu, or the ability to fly. Other than that, she can't channel her ki anymore.

SATAAN: has absolutely NO ki manipulation. The only reason he's the "World Martial Arts Champion" is because he never actually defeated any ki-manipulating fighters, his victories are due to his skill in the martial arts

Saiya-jins train their BODY to become stronger. They cannot increase their strength in ki without strengthening the body, because extensive use of ki is harmful to the body. On earth, Goku was pretty much crippled from his own Kaioken x4 attack, because the Kaioken increases the speed at which the ki harms the body to make the body stronger. In order to become stronger with their ki, they must therefore train their body to become stronger.

No, mutants PRIMARY weapon is their own mutant powers. However, they don't need to train their body to make their mutant powers get stronger. Cyclops' strongest beam will always be the same size, no matter how much he trains himself. And the physical body doesn't matter against a DBZ character because his strength is not the same.

You see, the relationship between the body and ki is a symbiotic relationship. A person trains their body to increase their ki. In return, the ki allows the body to become even stronger. If the body becomes stronger because of the ki, it allows the person to train even more rigorously to raise the ki even higher, and the cycle continues. If a person has a weak body, then their ki is weak. If their ki is weak, they have a weak body.

On the other hand, we have X-Men. Their mutant powers and bodily strength are not like that. They may train to increase their physical abilities (strength, speed), but their mutant powers are unaffected. And yet if they train their mutant powers, their bodily state is unaffected.

So, in conclusion:

Saiya-jins body and ki feed off each other
Mutants body and powers work independently