tidus2k2: if you already looked that much about DBZ, how come you never understood that it isn't power they have in their hand and foot, but KI ENHANCEMENTS !

when they give a punch to someone they can stay normal (not saying they aren't strong) the person wouldn't just destroy 20+ mountain on the way ! it would only bring him down to about 10 foot of distance.

now when they fight with buu or any other monster. they USE THEIR KI to enhance that same punch to make it much more powerfull ! same goes for the strenght and speed ! make a race between goku and mr satan when goku doesn't use up is ki and you'll notice that it is pretty even !

VEGETAM: your acting like we are nothing and i don't like it ! we are humans just like you and we have the right to have the truth. you aren't the only one who knows things and still you act like you know EVERYTHING there is to know about SF and DBZ !

i just don't like people like that !
i too wouldn't say SF would win, but the fight would still take forever cause TECHNIQUES are TECHNIQUES and even the fastest person in the world couldn't out speed another SPRINTER !

i never said that! i just said i'm going to take on the big fish(tarkanX) and then the other debaters. besides, he was the original debater on the SF side from the start.

Yo i love SF and DBZ but to tell u DBZ will win. But it will be a great fight between both sides.

Now karma are you telling me that goku and the rest of the z fighters are the same strenght as a human and they go all strong when the use there ki attacks. I'm sorry to say but that entirely incorrect. IN the Buu saga when vegeta had to punch the machine so he know's how hard he punches he broke the damn thing and thats wasn't even his hardest punch.

Fist to Fist or With KI attacks either way DBZ will win. Who cares abot the ki attacks or fighting the way your opponent does. If you have a technique use it if it can make you win the match. Its not like the zfighters get the energy to do all those attacks from someone else it's them who do it. It's just another one of there techniques. Thts like telling ryu he can't do a hadouken.

I never said it didn't make sense. I said that the Sonic Boom was just like Kuririn's Kienzan

First off, SF characters don't use ki. And even if that was the case, Dan would die becaus you said it yourself "he self-destructs"

DBZ doesn't JUST USE KI! They use force. Look at Goku in the spaceship to Nameck. He was doing vertical push-ups, one-handed push-ups, hanging sit-ups, punches and kicks, that kind of thing. The reason they don't weight lift is because there's not enough weights on the planet for them to use, they're too strong physically

DBZ doesn't just use ki. They practice in martial arts and the arts of grappling.

When Goku wanted to train in 100x gravity, he started off training in something like 20x (because he already trained in 10x on Kaio-sama's planet). Vegeta was much stronger when he started his gravity training, and he started at around 100x gravity and worked up to 400x

Why do you ppl keep bringing up GT? GT doesn't count, goddammit!

41 pages doesn't qualify as a "huge debate"? :D

Just because he's a god doesnt' mean he can't die. Kami-sama (Kami) is a god, and he died when Piccolo died. North Kaio-sama (King Kai) is a god, and he died when Cell self-destructed. Rou Dai-Kaioshin (the old Supreme Kai) is the super-god-of-all-gods from 15 centuries ago, and he died when he gave his life for Goku.

So you see, gods can die.

and even if Gill can't die, the Z fighters would kill everyone BUT Gill, then somehow lure Gill into the Room of Spirit and Time and blow up the outside of the room. That way, Gill would forever be trapped in a never-ending empty dimension

Lol, there you go

He didn't say it DID happen. He's just saying IT COULD happen. If SF fought DBZ, they could wish for Goku and Vegeta to be immortal

[color=green]Pretty much 80% of my posts, I've been arguing against TarkanX.[/quote]

[color=green]Now karma are you telling me that goku and the rest of the z fighters are the same strenght as a human and they go all strong when the use there ki attacks. I'm sorry to say but that entirely incorrect. IN the Buu saga when vegeta had to punch the machine so he know's how hard he punches he broke the damn thing and thats wasn't even his hardest punch. [/quote]

Exactly. In DBZ, when Goku was training in 100x gravity and later on when vegeta was in 400x gravity, they weren't JUST using ki to train, they were using strength. You can't say that the DBZ fighters use ki for everything

Let's just end this debate. No matter what...

Akuma ownz any evil or impure person who committed evil in any series. Period. Shun Goku Satsu sends the person to Hell, where they are injured for how evil their past deeds were. In fact, the only people invincible to the Shun Goku Satsu, it seems, are those with severe brain damage or protected little brats (e.g. Goku, Gohan, Goten).

>.< D'oh! I wrote myself into a corner in my own debate!

... just one note... Street Fighter characters DO use Ki. Hadoken? Ki. Gadoken? Ki. Sonic Boom? Ki. The difference is that they use other types of power, too, like Psycho Power, which affects a persons strength in proportion to the evil in their heart (this is why SFA3 Bison is much stronger than SFII Turbo Bison, which is after he fused with Rose and lost his pure evil in his heart).

joe is damn right! this isn't going to end that easily.

if dbz characters could wished for immortality then there would be no point to this fight. and gill isn't just a god, he's an immortal god. immortal means, no dying. so there is no way to destroy him, but there are a number of ways to trap him. but trapping him doesn't kill him so i guess it means SF wins.

and dan is right, all forms of energy attacks used in fighting are KI. stuff like psycho power are just different types of KI.

DBZ characters DO have techniques and strength!! just being able to manipulate KI at DBZ level requires LOTS of strength and technique! go read any martial arts book, it'll say so.

Nantuko always putting more detail into my argument. Thx.
And now all i want the debaters to do is stop for one moment and picture both DBZ and SF how they fight and how the show goes it's practically impossible to know who will win since they show so much force in one attack in SF and not much in DBZ. Now just picture both and tell me who will win goku with a Kaokenx100 Kamehameha or ryu with his hadouken. Compare both forces from what you've seen.

Now compare Gohan's speed when he was fighting cell and Ken when fighting Bison.
Now think when gohan punched cell in the stomach he made cell literally throw up #18. Now what if gohan punches Ryu like hat. Ryu won't be standing and waiting for the punch he will try to dodge it but with gohan's incredible speed he'll get him.

stop talking about the #### sf characters.

dbz won't defeat oro, gill and shin akuma so easily. they could be a problem, but dbz's power will completely overwhelm them in the end.

Nam should be between 40-80

Gill doesn't run out of energy

Yep

Goku is not a deity, Gill is, if Gill's body dies, he can still fight with his soul, and he can go into other bodies.

Buu can waste most SFers no problem, most SFers. and Buu got reincarnated by the dragon balls, he died by the Chou Genki-dama.

DBGT doesnt coincide with the DB"Z"" storyline.

You can't take SF movies, and episodes into canon, nor DB"Z" episodes.

To make the Capcom characters as good(almost as good) as Marvel characters, they had to weaken Marvel characters, and make the Capcom characters stronger than they are. So Dan was given an attack he isnt supposed to have.

Vegeta only took 300, and Goku took 100.

It would be better to say fat Buu is the The Fat evil Buu, Mr. Buu(good Buu) is the fat Good Buu, and Thin Buu(Evil Buu) is the skinny Evil Buu.

No DB"Z" charcater travels at the speed of light.

Almost any SF characters, and about Akuma, if they DB"Z" characters weren't toying with him, then yeah that would be true.

Yeah he is, he did lose, but he wasn't trying at all. He lost to Alex to see Alex's potential, and lost to Yun and Yang so they can understand Gill's plan. He always plays with his opponents.

That would mean Ryu can't do a hadouken, and everyone has ki, some have different types, Gen has ki, but he doesn't show it, since he is not a person that wants to use flashy techniques to waste energy.

Vegeta only used 300x gravity, the 450x is filler.

Though they are Gods, they aren't immortal, it's like the story of hercules, but he's a demi-god, they were never stated to be immortal, Gill has been stated to be immortal(his soul). And How could they lure Gill into the ROSAT? what ways? Gill would just increase the earths temperature, or decrease it. The ROSAT was 122 degress ferenheit(sp?) at most, and -40 degress ferenheit. They had a hard time with the weather(though It's not shown). Gill can increase the weather to 1000 degress ferenheit, and sheild himself from the weather.


Marvel owns DB"Z", and SF, but lets not get off topic


Alright, it seems that we're getting no where, and I remembered to list the SF projectiles.


Ryu
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Hadoken - About the same temp as the human body(98.6 degress ferenheit). Feels like getting hit by a nice solid kick. Once hit by this, the damage stays for a very long time.

Shakunetsu Hadoken - The same temp as hot water. Not enough to burn clothes.

Shinkuu Hadouken(charged up) - 5 hadoukens.

Ken
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Hadoken - Neither hot nor cold. Feels like a nice solid punch. The damage doesn't stay like Ryu's.

Sakura
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Hadoken - Is very warm, not as hot as Ken's. The effect varies on which type. Small - Feels like a hard slap. Medium - same as Ken's. Large - Same as Ryu's.

Shinkuu Hadouken - 5 Hadoukens(2 Ryu, 2 Ken, 1 Sakura)

Akuma
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Gou Hadoken - About the same temperature as the human body. Same kind as Ryu's but much greater in power and effect.

Gou Shakunetsu Hadoken - 3 burning Gou Hadokens

Messatsu Gou Hadou - 6-8 Gou Hadoukens

Dan
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Gadoken - Very warm. Feels like a slap.

Shinkuu Gadouken - 4 Gadoukens

Dhalsim
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Yoga Fire - Same temperature as boiling hot water. The damage feels kinda like the same feeling you get when you eat something very, very spicy.(Curry)

Sagat
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Tiger shot - The damage feels like getting mauled by a ferocious tiger. The temperature is freezing cold

Tiger Cannon - 5 Tiger shots

Chunli
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Kikoken - About the temperature of a warm bath. The hit doesn't feel like a solid hit but more of an effect that affects the whole body.

Kikoshou - 20 kokokens

Rose
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Soul Spark - Isn't cold or hot. The hit itself isn't hard at all but it makes the area it hit very numb.

Bison
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Psycho Shot - Very, very hot. And the hit will burn the area it hits instantly and makes it very numb.

sry, but where did you get this info from tarkan?

Someone named Saiki. He's from Japan, and he has connections with Capcom fo Japan. There's also the Capcom books which tails about every detail of every character, but its in Japanese.

Tark we've already had a debate on this. So overall who do you think will win SF or DB"Z".

Goku vs Akuma
Vegeta vs Ryu
Gohan vs Ken
Trunks vs Bison
Piccolo vs Zangief

JUst these one's for now.

dragonballz ofcourse...because marvel or sf characters cant even fly ..muhahahaha


:p

Overall you say... SF wins but what you listed....


Goku over Akuma

Vegeta wasting Ryu no prob.

Gohan wasting Ken no prob.

Shin Bison(I believe thats what you mean) over Trunks

Piccolo owning Zangief without trying

[quote:post_uid0="wrestlemania"]dragonballz ofcourse...because marvel or sf characters cant even fly ..muhahahaha


:p[/quote]
Wasn't it supposed to be a ground-only battle in the beginning?

[quote:post_uid0="TarkanX"]Overall you say... SF wins but what you listed....


Goku over Akuma

Vegeta wasting Ryu no prob.

Gohan wasting Ken no prob.

Shin Bison(I believe thats what you mean) over Trunks

Piccolo owning Zangief without trying[/quote]
Lennox Lewis over Akuma

Wladimir Klitschko wasting Ryu no prob.

Jameel McCline wasting Ken no prob.

Evander Holyfield over Bison

54 year old George Foreman owning Zangief without trying

ohhhhh, its SF vs DBZ, my bad...

Then tell me.... how will the DB"Z" characters force Gill into the ROSAT?

[quote:post_uid0="Tidus2K2"]Tark we've already had a debate on this. So overall who do you think will win SF or DB"Z".

Goku vs Akuma
Vegeta vs Ryu
Gohan vs Ken
Trunks vs Bison
Piccolo vs Zangief

JUst these one's for now.[/quote]
get some real SF fighters plz.

get ppl like:

oro
gill
twelve
shin akuma
shin bison

Those are the original SF characters.

you wanna get technical with me?

first of all tarkan x never said anything about having ONLY "original" character match ups.

and second, zangeif, akuma and bision aren't original. only ryu and ken were in the ORIGINAL sf game.

Ok i havent read all of the pages. But I would say Dbz because have you ever Saw Veggetoo(dont know how to spell but its Goku and Vegeta Fused) he could beat up any Sf Character within 30min.

sf will win not whatever he is

this topic has gone on to long. STOP IT![img:post_uid13]http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/akuma-c-combo.gif[/img:post_uid13] :angryfire:

Nah, Nantuko Joe,and TarkanX have been debating in this topic of TarkanX for the longest.Also this may be the best ORIGNAL topic on Dragonball vs Street Fighter manga only.So this topic will recieve input by everyone.From veteran members to n e w b i e s.Actually a topic of this level should be put somewhere special.

When I think about it.this topic was going to be perseved for a special purspose...that is tell Dan told Joe the link to get it.
So here we are.So if you don't like this topic my friend please feel free not to post here.If you have a question about the manga of these two shows this is a perfect time to ask it.

Nantuko Joe,and TarkanX seem to know there mangas fairly well.
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I have a question TarkanX/Nantuko Joe.

Ok I have to ask aquestion about the Human earthling Yamcha,an a link to Son Goku.

Ok, I recall Yamcha using the kai attack "Spirit Bomb".I would like to know first is this the same "Spirit Bomb" as Son Goku's.
If that is the case would Yamcha be able to use the "Spirit Bomb" at a level of strenght some what like Goku's.If he can then he could also be a member of the Z fighters that could defeat a SF character.Also Yamcha's "Spirit Bomb" has the ability to be controled by the user.

Please don't flame me I give this deep thought.

magnas? i think you mean manga. well, dbz is a manga but SF isn't.

that attack yamcha used was not called spirit bomb. it's another fliped up part in the american version. it's a different attack.

The ROSAT is in the sky, and Gill is immortal, enough said...

Why follow, when you can just heat the weather, and melt your foe...

THen why didn't the DB"Z" characters use this in other saga's, besides, Gill is not human, or mortal, though an immortal's mind(IMO), and a god's mind(DB"Z" wise) can be controlled, it'd probably take a lot of time before they can do that to Gill, and by then, Gill would use his Pyro/Cryo attacks to brun/freeze the opponent.

Like Gotenks attacks.... WHen they try to use a crippling attack, Gill would then shield himself using Seraphic Wing.


American filler, that part never happened in the manga.

Well based upon the stories, it is almost impossible for one to think that SF could win... if you went on pure fighting ability, I believe that DBZ would be nothing compared to the SF's, but based on the fact all DBZ does is pump power levels to overly HUGE numbers, where as SF doesnt even have power levels, you cant really compare other than saying DBZ would pummle them.

gill's immortality would win this fight :(

Your a frigging nOOb. Who are you to tell us to stop it?

No, that's simply another American dub. Goku's "Spirit Bomb" is actually called "Genki Dama". This attack gathers energy from all organic life within a planet or planetary system. It then focuses this energy into a ball, which has the power to obliterate anything with an "evil" ki.

Yamucha's "Spirit Bomb" isn't that at all. It's merely a ki attack he uses. He forms a somewhat-strong ball of energy and throws it, then uses his powers to control where it goes.

I dont' get it? :(

Does Gill have ANY evil in his heart? Because if so, he can be controlled by Babidi (though Gill would prolly break free of the control and then have even more power, and that would be BAD.

So I guess you've got me.

But if Gill is immortal in SF, then that means that in the game, he can't be defeated at all?

You apparently haven't been reading me and Tarkan's debating...

uhh... yes i have.

if gill's immortal, he can't die. so it would be like the last man standing would win. even if he IS mind controlled, he won't be under that condition for long. gill is a god. plain and simple. not one of those weak dbz gods, but a real god. a god who is immortal and has a limitless supply of energy.

Okay, what specific area are they fighting in?

I'm not quite sure if he does, Gill is said to bring light, and darkness, good and evil into one to create peace for the world. He does some bad things, but in one of his quotes, he says "My methods may seem harsh contrast to my true intentions".

You mean beat him winning 2 rounds, yeah of course you can do that, but we aren't really talking about gameplay, since the game down-grades what Gill can really do.

Gill has a super called resurection in which if his super bar is full, and he gets KOed, he'll resurect all of his life, unless you hit him, then he'll stop resurecting, but of course, that's gameplay wise.

high in the atmosphere, in the sky

So he DOES have evil in his heart, and therefore can indeed be controlled with Babidi's power or crippled with Goku's Genki Dama (given the proper amount of time)

I see...

I've come to a conclusion concerning Gill: THe DBZ characters prolly would defeat all SF fighters except Gill. Gill would prolly even take down many, many of the DBZ fighters. I think that IF Gill has infinite power and IF he can repeatedly perform the Seraph Wing without tiring and IF he can fight using his soul and not his body, then...it would be a draw.

All SF characters would be killed by the DBZ characters, and the surviving DBZ characters would be killed by Gill except...

Muten Roshi. He is immortal, he cannot die. Therefore, no matter what happens, Gill and Roshi would remain. Sure, Gill has more power than Roshi, but since Roshi can't DIE, and Gill can't DIE, it would end up as a draw

uhhh... huh? is muten roshi that turtle or master roshi. and where did you get the info that muten roshi was immortal?

Sorry Joe, but Master Roshi/Muten Roshi/Turtle Master isn't immortal. He drank from the Fountain of Youth, which only much farther enhances your life span. About Gill, Garlic Jr. was immortl, yet he was still defeated. So he wasn't REALLY in DBZ, but close enough. If any one of the Z fighters could create a Dead Zone (which I doubt), or one of the kais (possibly), Gill would be locked in that dimension. If he got out, one of the stronger Z Fighters would take him in the hyperbolic time chamber, go really far, use their superior speed (if Goku, he'll use the IT) and exit. Then they would destroy the entrance and Gill would be considered dead because of his uselessness in the battle.

right\

[quote:post_uid0="Gotenks13"]Sorry Joe, but Master Roshi/Muten Roshi/Turtle Master isn't immortal. He drank from the Fountain of Youth, which only much farther enhances your life span. About Gill, Garlic Jr. was immortl, yet he was still defeated. So he wasn't REALLY in DBZ, but close enough. If any one of the Z fighters could create a Dead Zone (which I doubt), or one of the kais (possibly), Gill would be locked in that dimension. If he got out, one of the stronger Z Fighters would take him in the hyperbolic time chamber, go really far, use their superior speed (if Goku, he'll use the IT) and exit. Then they would destroy the entrance and Gill would be considered dead because of his uselessness in the battle.[/quote]
...Good answer and argument, but the dead zone is just a filler and probably never happened in the manga's, so I don't know if it counts or not. But That's still a good argument. But about that hyperbolic time chamber idea, I don't see how they would be able to take him into the hyperbolic time chamber. I mean, how would they even be able to get near him with all of his attacks, and how would they bring him in the hyperbolic time chamber. Plus, Goku wouldn't be able to go into the hyperbolic time chamber since he went in there twice already, so they'd have to find another person.

TarkanX how does it fell to be a year,and two months old in this forum? :(