I wouldn't say crush, it'd be a good fight, but SF would win.


Piccolo can increase his size, but it wouldn't make much of a difference. Since Piccolo didn't get much of a power up after increaing his size. This is in the manga.

Darn i tried to show smarts.
OH what about The turtle hermets 100% kamehamha wave,
OOOHH Goku's UZURA FORM too.
Dude I rock. :0 :D

Yes Kamesennins full powered kamehameha(not kamehameha wave stop calling it that) destroyed the moon, but the moon is little in comparison with the earth.

And Oozaru form powers you up 10x from what you originally were at. But still the SF characters would dominate.

Well you know your stuff(trump card)
Vegeta was around then too.
just in space. Also vegeta was way stronger than goku then
his UZUARU would of dominated so there.
I've made a break through!!! :p

So in the end DB would win..... ;)

P.S Your going to say why would vegeta help Goku we'll back then they were on the same team once goku was defeated the ship would send his report to all the remaining saiyians.
Oh and Planet vegeta didn't blow up as soon as goku left but while he was away. (BIGGEST TRUMP CARD) Freaiza would of came to earth if vegeta was killed because they were on the same team. (Understand) :p , Oh how many moons are there?

true...

You don't have to feel glad of yourself after you debate in each post.


no....


Okay I don't understand what your saying here.


Planet Vegeta did blow up as soon as Goku left.




I still don't understand what your saying, but no Freiza wouldn't of known about earth, he knew about earth in his fight against goku when goku kept talking about earth to freiza.

There is only one moon on earth.

Tarkan X there is two moons or someone one time most of wished it back. Because the Turtle hermet and Piccolo blowed up the moon in the Z series and manga DB series.

O.k. this subject is getting boring to me now so I'll state a few more reasons.1) The sayians were scooters which aslo work as phones or long distance radios. Frazia owned the planet vegeta.2) An if you are a true fan of both shows you would of notice in the Z series during the "Frazia Saga" The flash back episodes of planet vegeta on Namek. Right before Frezia killed Vegeta(the sayian) Vegeta told Goku about how "Planet Vegeta" was taken over by Frezia.

Look what I meant when I said "Frezia would of came to earth" is if Vegeta was defeated( oh and that sayian Nappa) by the Street Fighters. Vegeta would of done the same as Raditza(Goku's brother) when he was defeated.(Send for help)

Goku's Shukan Idou (ie. Instantaneous Movement, Instant Transmission) does not move at the speed of light. The Shukan Idou is "instant", as in the precise moment he disappears, he immediately appears exactly where he wanted to go. Light takes about 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun. However, if there was a person on the sun, then Goku could teleport to him immediately.

princevegeta, you're wrong, sorry. Gohan's hidden powers were unleashed by Android #16's death at the hands of Cell. It was that hidden power being unleashed that allowed Gohan to go Super Saiya-jin Level 2. The Mystic form was a power-up provided by the Rou Dai Kaioshin (the little old guy on East Kaioshin's planet). That form allowed Gohan to surpass his own limitations, but because he did that he was unable to go SSJ from that point on.

yes, I also watch the crappy American version so i can look for the many, many discrepancies between the American and Japanese version. The "wave" part kind of got stuck in my head. And look at it this way: at least I didn't call the Shukan Idou "Instant Transmission".

There's no way anyone went over 1 billion. Considering the rate that DBZ characters grow, I'd have to say that the singlemost strongest DBZ character that ever existed was when Goku and Vegeta fused to form Vegetto, and I believe that Vegetto had a PL of around 600 million.

Fine. I'll instead say Kibit's Kai Kai (Instantaneous Movement)

Yes, he does! He says, "He...he dodged it. He can move faster than the speed of light." or something along those lines.

I've got a list rightin front of me that has around 50 of DBZ's signature moves, and I can think of more. Besides, are you saying that just because SF has "signature" moves, that their moves are better than DBZ moves?

Yes, but when he does, he doesn't get any stronger. His power level stays the same.

See my post regarding princevegetam's comment

SBYRD5, do you know ANYTHING about DBZ? Planet Vegeta was destroyed about five minutes after Goku was sent to Earth.

Tarkan, let's pretend that at the end of DBZ, Goku (or any living Saiya-jin) still had their tail and went Ozourou. You're seriously telling me that SF would win?

Ummm....noooo.... The Spirit Bomb draws energy from all organic life, all living things. It cannot draw energy form a black hole or supernova. Where do you come up with this stuff?

Name some SF special/super that could take out a powerful DBZ character using a special/super of his/her own.

Furiza was not at his max when he used his Death Ball. When he blew up Planet Vegeta, did it look like he was really trying? He was laughing casually as he was charging the thing.

Akuma: It is true what you say about the Kongou Kokuretsuzan. However, if Goku can simply pull off a Shukan Idou to teleport behind Akuma and Kame Hame Ha his ass.

You got me with the Shun Goku Satsu. I have to admit, any DBZ character would fall before it.

As far as the Tenshou Kareki Jin goes, sure, it could destroy a ship. But if you pit that against a Kame Hame Ha (which could destroy a planet), do you really think Akuma would still win?

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Gill: As far as the fire and ice thing goes, if he freezes Goku, he could simply power out of it using a Kaio-ken attack. Although I know it is just filler, I can say that he did the same thing in Movie #2: The World's strongest man. And Goku can take the heat. Remember when Furiza blasted Goku into the lava? Goku still survived, did he not?

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Oro: Kishin Riki can lift them and drop them, but what good does that do against characters that can fly?

The Tengou stone can lift debris (if thats what you meant by debree), but a well-aimed laser blast could destroy it.

Yagyao Dama could suck you in, yes, but isn't it possible for a DBZ character to use a blast of his own to destroy it?

So what if Oro is 150 years old? Kame-sennin is over 300.

Speed is nothing to worry about for the stronger members of DBZ. Sure, he could take out the humans, but I doubt he could use speed as an advantage against the stronger DBZ fighters.

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Bison: Sure he can teleport anywhere in the world, and a Psycho Crusher can kill above average humans, but I'm going to have to say that all of the Z fighters are just a wee-bit stronger than above-average humans.

Yes, Bison can absorb negative energy, but a Genki Dama can absorb positive energy.

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Twelve: If he's like Buu, than he can be defeated.

If you wrote all that supporting SF characters and their attacks, then look at this:



Goku: First off, his normal form is kinda powerful, but with three Super Saiy-ajin forms, he can transform until he's powerful enough to defeat his opponent.

Goku has the Kaio-ken, which can boost his already SSJ-boosted power.

Goku has the Shukan Idou, which means that he can immediately teleport away from a laser blast and counterattack.

Goku has the Kame Hame Ha, which is one of the most powerful attacks in the series, and he also has the Genki Dama, which will destroy anything with an "evil" ki.

And let's not forget about the Ryuken (Dragon Punch)

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Vegeta: He's got two Super Saiya-jin forms behind him, and he's arrogant. He won't give up in a fight unless he's dead. He's got the Final Flash and the Big Bang attack. The Final Flash is a whole lot stronger than the Kame Hame Ha. However, his arrogance makes him make mistakes, and he could easily underestimate his oppponents.

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Gotenks: At Super Saiya-jin 3 level, Gotenks would pretty much dominate the field. With attacks like Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball, Shine Shine Missile Barrage, and Super Ghost Kamikaze attack, he could easily prolly take out anyone.

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Piccolo: Though he's real weak compared to the Saiya-jins, Piccolo has two key attacks: the Makankosappo and the Renzoku Senkoudan. We all know what the Makankosappo is, and the Senkoudan is an attack that surrounds the opponent with hundreds of ki packets, which then converge and hit the target simultaneously.

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Vegetto: Easily the most powerful character ever to grace DBZ, Vegetto not only is powerful, but has ALL of Goku and Vegeta's attacks.

1- you repeated what Tarkan said, but you were VERY mean about it.

2-If we pretended that it some living saiya jin still had their tail, then we would be going out of bounds in this topic, because no one kept their tails. But please do tell your reasons.

Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice??? :p

Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta.
This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice" :p
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)

[quote:post_uid0="SBYRD5"]Joe YOU SUCK simply put.Ok look Vegetto is not the strongest Fusion Dummie it really is Goku's Fusion with the enternal Dragon with a Power level over 1.5 Billion.

P.S and next is Gogeta you sad person..... From the fusion Dance. Now who is a novice??? :p

Roll I'm sorry but your wrong but your a nice person so I won't be mean about it.
Look Goku and Vegeta both grow back there tails and Vegeta is first to turn GOLDEN UZARU really secound only to Gogeta.
This is in the GT series check it out "Joe the Novice" :p
(AND WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DB SERIES JOE)[/quote]
What? You moron, Dragonball GT is not part of Dragonball! DBGT was not from a manga! It is not an official series! Even Tarkan will agree with me. DBGT was made by an outside party who wanted to continue the DB"Z" phenomena. It was not approved by Toriyama, it merely used Characters from the DB"Z" series!

You cannot say that Goku fused with Shen-long has a power level of any sort, because after the Furiza Saga of DBZ Toriyama did not release any power levels! And neither did the makers of DBGT, so you can't say that he had a power of 1.5 billion!

Therefore, the fusion between Goku and Shen-long is invalid, as is Gogeta, because the only time we are introduced to him is during GT and the movies. And anyone who knows anything about DBZ knows that the movies are merely filler that never happened! So there, YOU are the frigging novice!


Therefore, your statement to Roll is also invalid. In DB"Z", the Saiya-jins DO NOT regrow their tails. Once it's cut off, it's off for good. And it's Ozourou, not Uzaru, and Vegeta was NOT the first to go Golden Ozourou in GT, Goku was! Goku looked at the full earth light and transformed, then transformed into Super Goku 4! Vegeta transformed AFTERWARDS because of the Brute Ray that Buruma made for Vegeta.


So don't call me a dummie, novice, or anything of the sort when it comes to DB"Z", because you really have no idea what you're talking about.