[quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.[/quote]
Yeah I agree :withstupid: I thought that was how the whole forum was helps the othr out.Jumps in exploits that weakness In their presence they leave the gift of Info along with other tiny lil help full things :biggrin:

he said streetfighter not xmen fool!

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THE OLD SCHOOL PEEPS COULD KICK GOKU'S ASS, IF GOKU HAS THAT HEART VIRUS. LOL :angry:

nantuko: i never said he wasn't strong ! i just said that he is very less strong than he looks since he most of the time KI to enhance their powers !

again, have you ever notice how the SAIYEN are THE ULTIMATE RACE ?
they fart and the earth explode !
come on ! be better than that !
GOKU = MAIN chars ! it would be bad if anything had happenned to him !

i think we shouldn't add the saiyen into this debate has they are way above anything normal !
example:
they die and come back to life = double their STRENGH
they almost die and are healed = double their strengh
they fight and lose = double their strengh

do the math and notice how they can be too much for any chars !
those are just because they are the main chars of the series !
if krillin would have been it's him who had been that strong !

again, with the same training ANYONE could be as strong as any DBZ chars !

Then we shouldn't add mutants to the debate, because they're way stronger than humans. Whoops. Your mistake

Their strength does not DOUBLE, where did you come up with that from? They simply get a power-up as if they were training. DOUBLE? Man, do you even watch the anime/read the manga?

Ummm......no. The reason why the Saiya-jins are so powerful is because of their race, they are a STRONG race with the ability to raise their power levels almost infinitely and millions of times higher than the strongest non-ki using human. Because of their ability to heal and get stronger, they are naturally stronger after every battle. That is why the Saiya-jins are so strong.

Now, Piccolo is a different story. Piccolo is a Namek-jin, and all Namek-jins have the power to regenerate as long as there head is intact. Therefore, Piccolo has been killed only twice. He also is so strong because of the training provided by North Kaio-sama, the fusion with Nail, and the fusion with Kame-sama. Therefore, Piccolo received a gigantic power-up and is incredibly strong, the strongest member of his race ever.

Now for the humans. 99% of all humans in DBZ cannot use Ki. However, the few of them who can (Tenshinhan, Yamucha, Kuririn, Chiaotzu) get strong, but nowhere near the Saiya-jin standards. No matter how much they try, they'll never be able to increase their power to that level, because #1 they don't have that much energy to begin with and #2 their bodies wouldn't be able to handle that much energy even if they could.

For example, every being in the universe has a maximum power level, a point where they can't get any stronger. When the Rou Dai Kaioshin allows Gohan to go Mystic, he DID NOT GIVE HIM ANY POWER, but merely awakened the power already inside Gohan. This form then allowed Gohan to use all of his power, and bring him to his max. However, no matter how much he tries, he will never be able to get any stronger than he is in his Mystic form. The Rou Dai Kaioshin merely expediated the process.

Therefore, one could conclude that the Saiya-jins have a higher max power level than humans. Humans, as compared to Saiya-jins, have extremely low maximum capacities.

Therefore, the statement taht "with training, anyone can be that strong" is false

first: vegeta said it himself when he was against zarbon. everytime a saiyen is defeated by someone, he gets back with TWICE STRONGER than he was when he gets beaten ! now i think that means i am right about it !

second: put that in real life, if wqe train toi be able to lift 1 ton then after a whole lots of training, we will be able to do so ! now why is this not possible in the DBZ universe ?
example:
KRILLIN was powered up by GURU in the namek saga !
guru said that he had awakened ALL his hidden power !
now, if i follow your reasoning, he wouldn't be able to use more than that power cause he was already at the max of his own power ! but then, he was a lot stronger than that at the end of DBZ.

third: you cannot put the saiyens as there power is, you said it yourself unlimited, that means they will always win whatever you say against it ! but the mutants have their power and do not get stronger like the saiyens so yes they can be included in the fight as they aren't INVINCIBLE ! ok !

now i know what you're gonna say...
GOKU, VEGETA had already die so they aren't invinsible !
true about that... but still, vegeta got beaten like hell by zarbon and he came back and it was the other way around ! and vegeta never trained ! and zarbon was way higher in power than vegeta ! goku was beaten to death then he healed in that chamber and he got to way higher powerlevel than he was before. he had no training ! by definition i think it is a little overpowered !

Just goten the smallest z-warrior would beat all of the x-men

vegeta would whipe out the entire universe :D

i can tell that everybody likes dbz

dbz is the only cartoon i watch! :D

This is my opinion
I would say sayians are the strongest race in the universe.
Sayians are born to fight they are born with the talent.
Fighting is the only thing sayians seems to do right. When
a sayian loses a fight there power increase . Ofcourse
thats just my opinion .I think any fighters from can raise there power level . and i didn't know the guy with the three eyes was from earth.