frieza destroyed namek :D :p i don't know ??? ??? ???

What's your point, SS4?

they had to wait like an hour

veggto what do you mean ??? they had to wait a hour ???

frieza had to wait for an hour until the planit nemik would be destroyde

ss4 goku wats your url foor your banner

First off, vegeto and ssj4 goku your Avatars and Banners are too much alike...your confusing me. That's a problem because one of you is making about as much sense as a screen door in a submarine.

However, depending on the DBZ character he attacks, he may NEED to have excellent strength to take advantage of an opponent's pressure points. There have been many instances in DBZ where an enemy doesnt' even FEEL the opponent's blows. Or, in the case of Buu, just absorbs the blows.

He may be able to destroy a building just by thinking, but a building isn't a moving, breathing, fighting obstacle. Could he do the same with a powered-up Z Fighter like Trunks or Gohan? As far as the destroying brain thing, I don't know about SF attacks, so I guess that's a pretty useful move.

That is a VERY big advantage on Charlie's part, the fact that he could shoot many sonic booms w/o draining a lot of his energy. However, how strong is each individual Sonic Boom? Is it like the Kienzan, with very little power but still retaining the ability to cut through almost anything? Because even if that is so, it still may not be effective against the high-level Z-Fighters. As we all remember, Kuririn's Kienzan struck Cell directly at the neck, and Cell's neck didn't even get a scratch, it instead broke the Kienzan

I dont' know who Urien is, so I can't say whether or not he would stand a chance. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say maybe

Yes, I'd have to admit, Bison would indeed give many of the DBZ characters a run for their money. He could prolly take out Trunks, Goten, and maybe even Gohan. If Vegeta underestimates him (like he does most of the enemies he faces), he'd prolly be in trouble too

Though that sounds really powerful, I doubt he'd be able to take on the likes of the "higher" DBZ warriors. As for the Shun Goku Satsu, i've finally came up with something against it:

With permission from Lord Emma (King Yamma), a soul can be released from the afterlife to return to the real world. With this in mind, any DBZ character killed by the Raging Demon could be allowed back to the real world by Emma, and Urani Baba's unique teleportation could carry them back to the battle.

Was this the guy you said was kinda like Kid Buu? He also sounds like one of the more powerful SF fighters, but one of his attacks is invalid. the EX kishin riki could indeed drop a Z-Fighter from up in the sky, but all of the Z-Fighters have the Bukujutsu, and could simply fly away instead of falling. And even if they DO fall to the ground, they'd just make a huge crater, then get back up again.

Here are the DBZ characters and their attacks that I believe would decimate the SF characters:

Piccolo
Sai-sei-the ability to regenerate. This would allow Piccolo to regrow lost limbs. However, this attack severely drains energy from him if the damage is too great.

Makankosappo-the "special beam cannon", this could pierce through the strongest armor. However, it takes a little while to charge up to be really deadly

Renzoku Senkoudan-prolly Piccolo's most powerful attack, he surrounds his enemy with dozens (maybe even hundreds) of ki packets and allows them to converge on the enemy simultaneously. They then explode, and could possibly kill the enemy outright if he can't form a strong enough shield.

Gotenks
Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack-the attack that crippled Buu and almost killed him. I doubt that any SF character could survive this.

Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volley Ball-another ridiculous attack, the buu buu volleyball attack could cripple the enemy fighter, leaving him vulnerable to a finishing maneuver

Vegeta
Big Bang Attack-it doesn't take very long AT ALL to charge up, and is really strong.

Final Flash-though it takes a lot longer to charge up than a Kamehameha, it's a hell of a lot stronger

Explosion-dont' know the real name for it, it's the attack he used against Buu that turned himself to stone. That could cripple a SF fighter

Gohan
Mystic-since he's always his max power and can't get any stronger, he's damn strong

Masenko-pretty much like a Kamehameha

Furiza
Implosion-still don't know the name for the attack, it's the attack he used to kill Kuririn. He pretty much uses his power to explode the enemy's ki (i think)

Goku
Fusion-if he fuses with Vegeta to form Vegetto, it's pretty much all over

Kamehameha-umm...it's the Kamehameha...the third strongest attack in the series.

Fat Buu
think about it. until buu split and got rid of his evil half, he was invincible.

first place ive played a game sf vs dbz and most of the time sf people win

dhalsim: it is not possible for him to destroy a dbz character's brain with his ki. because dbz characters can counter with their own ki. i would say that dbz characters have more powerful ki manipulation than dhalsim because they have the ability to fly for long periods of time and shoot very powerful ki beams.

gen: gen is chinese and almost all chinese martial arts stress on the importance of striking pressure points. since goku and many other dbz characters were trained by master roshi through chinese martial arts, it is more than likely they also know the techniques of hitting pressure points.

charlie: that form of ki manipulation is illogical and seems impossible. so unless you can explain how the sonicboom works then i cannot consider it possible. and i believe you were refering to a katana not a kitana. well, in the saiyan saga, yajirobe carried with him a katana. trunks and dabura have also had swords. all of them have been broken by the strength of dbz fighters.

oro: the true potential behind this guy has not yet been shown in any sf game due mostly to his one hand use. therefore, we cannot judge his real potential.

[quote:post_uid0="princevegetam"]dhalsim: it is not possible for him to destroy a dbz character's brain with his ki. because dbz characters can counter with their own ki. i would say that dbz characters have more powerful ki manipulation than dhalsim because they have the ability to fly for long periods of time and shoot very powerful ki beams.

gen: gen is chinese and almost all chinese martial arts stress on the importance of striking pressure points. since goku and many other dbz characters were trained by master roshi through chinese martial arts, it is more than likely they also know the techniques of hitting pressure points.

charlie: that form of ki manipulation is illogical and seems impossible. so unless you can explain how the sonicboom works then i cannot consider it possible. and i believe you were refering to a katana not a kitana. well, in the saiyan saga, yajirobe carried with him a katana. trunks and dabura have also had swords. all of them have been broken by the strength of dbz fighters.

oro: the true potential behind this guy has not yet been shown in any sf game due mostly to his one hand use. therefore, we cannot judge his real potential.[/quote]
I think Tarkan was sayin that the Sonic Boom works kinda like a Kienzan attack in the fact that you don't have to be mad strong to use it, and its a powerful attack.

And as far as the Gen/pressure points go, I doubt he HAS the strength potential to hit the Z characters hard enough for hte pressure points to affect them

[quote:post_uid0="mysticveggeto"]frieza had to wait for an hour until the planit nemik would be destroyde[/quote]
it wasn't an hour it was 5 min.......it seemed like an hour cuz they made like 5 or 6 episodes before the planet blew up.......

Yeah, but he's like gum, ro whatever... he doesn't have any vital parts, so he doesn't really receive much damage. Goku, and Vegeta have Vital parts, so they are able to receive damage. If an average guy hit me as hard as he could at ym back, I'd just brush it off, but if he hit me at my "adam's apple", I'd breathe for my life.


He can teleport.

Filler, kienzan cuts through anything. Charlie's sonic boom's are as strong as getting hit by a kitana blade, they are as fast as the speed of sound(760 miles per hour on a good day).

Then Akuma will keep doing the shun goku satsu. The only way to survive the shun goku satsu is to release your soul, like Gen did, and Piccolo could most likely do that too, or to have a deity status like Gill.


The person I said was like kid Buu was twelve, he's also one of the most powerful SF characters. And yeah I guess that is true....


Destroy his head, then he dies.

quickly destroy Piccolo before he gets it fully charged.


Teleport out of the way, Gill could just Seraphic Wing his renzoku Senkoudan.


One reason I don't like Gotenks is because he has too many dumb attacks, anyways.... just teleport out of the way.


teleport


teleport, or Seraphic Wing.

This is a really strong attack, I'd just say teleport, when vegeta did this on Cell, he did his very best to not destroy the earth.

It would kill a SF IMO. unless Vegeta holds the SF, and does it, he'd win, but that's suicide. other than that, they'd just teleport.

He has to target the opponent, and get him with it, then he can implode them.

he was weaker than Super Buu with Gotenks, and Piccolo.


I'll do the other stuff later, I'm tired right now....

First off, Tarkan, I noticed that for every attack I listed, you said the SF character would teleport out of the way. Yet i think it was like 10 pages back or something i said Goku could teleport away from every attack and you said something like "This is a fight, so he'd have to stop teleporting eventually and fight". So im gonna say the same to you. And if the only way to dodge the attacks is to teleport, then the SF characters apparently don't have any counterattacks strong enough to repel the DBZ attacks.

Plus, in that respect, I can say that the DBZ characters could use "teleport" against any attack SF throws at them.

No...no...no...

What i'm saying is, he may not be strong enough to hit the Z fighter hard enough for them to feel the blow...even if it is a pressure point. Cell hit Android 16's pressure point in his neck to deactivate him, but he was too weak to activate it.

Eventually, he'll run out of power, and have too little power to do it over and over again. Besides, what kind of fighter is that? That's like the Infinite Hadoken thing in the game. It's too cheap. and Goku (ex) could simply Shunkan Idou away from it in the first place

Piccolo doesn't need a lot of time to charge it up anymore. He only needed a lot of time vs. Radditzu because he was at a low power level. However, when Cell shot the Makankosappo at Piccolo (when they first fought), Cell didn't charge it up at all

What is Seraph wing? And he'd be too busy dodging the initial blasts that form the Renzoku Senkoudan to be able to form this Seraph wing counterattack

pffft...teleport. The Kamikaze Ghost Clones home in on their targets. And he'll have to stop teleporting EVENTUALLY

The Volley Ball isn't a beam or projectile. Pretty much, Gotenks grabs the enemy and crushes him into a soccer ball-sized sphere, then kicks it around like the World Cup in Brazil. While in the sphere, the enemy cannot counterattack until the attack wears off, so he is open to any other attack that is launched at him

Bah...teleport. gotta come up with something better than that

Bah...teleport...not good enough. come up with something better

Bah...teleport. I'm seeing a pattern here...

That didn't take long for Furiza, he did it in like a sec or two

true...but that's not comparing it to the SF characters

well, nantuko said everything i was gonna say. any character can teleport forever, but what kind of fight would that be?

plus, you didn't answer any of my questions... :(

Alrighty, where was I....

DHalsim can fly for long periods of time, and you dont need huge ki blasts to win. Look at.....Nam, but if you mean DB"Z", then I guess you win on that part.

So the Kienzan is impossible... heh... and those are swords, physical weapons, then have the power to be broken. ki cannot be broken, because ki is energy, and energy is never broken, it's everywhere.

Gameplay wise you can't, but if you study oro harder, by his quotes, and ending, you can see why he is that powerful. He lifts huge boulders with his mind without even trying.


Alright this is true, it's like I'm doing propaganda....


In the Raditz saga, Piccolo just learned the technique, and didn;t have much time to improve on it, so he could charge it up fast, but any fighter can dodge it, that is if they are fast enough.

If only I had a game clip to show you. In the dictionary, Seraph means the highest form of angels. Gill grows out two wings, then the attack destroys basically anything, it looks like rainbows come out of it. Imagine Seraphic wing like Android 17's shield, except it comes out much faster, and hits you, and guards you at the same time. In the game, when Oro does his EX Yagyou-dama(huge fireball), Gill's Seraphic Wing obliterates it.

Okay.... the SFers would get killed by this attack. except Twelve, and maybe Gill(but Gill cannot die, he is immortal, a deity).

Twelve can survive this. While Gill is immortal, his body is not, but his soul is. He can still fight with his soul.

Seraphic Wing, don't need to say more.


seraphic Wing

Did you see how Freiza shot that beam and killed Dende? Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin didn't even see it, and Piccolo was on par with Freiza form 2. The person would have to be incredibly fast to escape Freizas implosion.

Alright... I'm getting dumber right now... anywho... Shin Bison would most likely lose, not sure about oro(max power). But Gill would definitely win. One reason is because Gohan is flesh, and cannot regenerate.


Anyways... Gill would just meteor shower anyone. I fhtey went up into the air like they usually do, Gill would call fire and ice from the heavens, and dump it all over the opponent.


I'll say some other things later. I have a list of how the Sfers projectiles work, how powerful they are, and the effect it has when it hits the opponent. I'll list that later.

Although the part about Nam is true (he didn't have any ki manipulation and yet he still almost beat Goku), you gotta realize that that was way back in the day, where everyones power levels were around <300. I'd stake Nam at about 20. However, unless you have superhuman speed and strength at the same level of the Z fighters, i doubt he'd win

That's what I said. See! I was defending you!

haha :D

Yes, but if they are not fast enough, or are caught off guard....R.I.P.

So its like a shield that hurts your opponent? Wouldn't that require a pretty good amount of energy to form and sustain?

Yes! :alien:

He can do the Seraph Wing repeatedly without any loss of energy?

That is not possible (at least in DBZ terms). The only reason Goku was able to fight Buu in the Buu Saga was because his BODY was given back to him. However, had his body not been given to him, he would have returned to earth as a ghost. Ghosts can't fight. Therefore, even if Gill's spirit is immortal, his body would die but his spirit would not go to the afterlife, and he would become a permanent ghost

That's my point. Unless the opponent IS incredibly fast, he's done for

I also have a list of DBZ attacks and how they work

i like sf but i don't like dbz :)

[quote:post_uid5="Nantuko Joe"][color=green:post_uid5]quit spamming you nOOb! this topic is about DBZ versus SF. If you have nothing intelligent to say about DBZ versus SF, then stay the hell out of the topic. And don't PM me again...[/color:post_uid5][/quote:post_uid5]
i don't like you to :angryfire:

[quote:post_uid0="ajtimbs"][quote:post_uid0="Nantuko Joe"]quit spamming you nOOb! this topic is about DBZ versus SF. If you have nothing intelligent to say about DBZ versus SF, then stay the hell out of the topic. And don't PM me again...[/quote]
i don't like you to :angryfire:[/quote]
If only I had admin powers...

OK here I go. This is a very old post but i'm still interested in replying to it. DB against SF will lose in a fight. Reasons well in the db series goku wasn't that strong neither were any of the other characters.

DBZ against SF will be something to watch but i'd still say DBZ because it's just to obvious. Compare the attacks of all the SF characters with the DBZ and DBZ will win. Buu can take care of all the SF characters all by himself because he can't die.(He's still alive in DBGT as Ubuu)

DBGT against SF. SF lost this big time. The Dbgt characters are way to strong to lose this fight There almost invincible.

Now i don't wanna take up much time and post a lot of backup info because you can compare mentally. I've seen all the Sf movies and Episodes same with the DB series and seriously DBZ will win.

Very good, Tidus. Too bad they're talking about the manga's, GT is not included in the fight, and you shouldn't be comparing the characters because of JUST the attacks. Compare abilities, speed, defence, strength, technique, ki manipulation, and desperation moves.

Very true.

Buu does indeed die, he is killed at the end of GT. The reason Uubu exists in GT is because at the end of DBZ Goku wishes Buu back from the dead so he can fight him. However, only Buu's good half returns, and instead of returning in Fat Buu form, he returns in Uubuu form. However...

...In the topic description and on the first page, Tarkan says not to include references to any movies, specials, and GT, because they are not official and they contradict the manga. Therefore, you cannot say anything about Uubuu in GT

GT is unofficial, it contradicts the manga, it never happened. YOu cannot reference it in this topic

True. I knew he was talking about the manga long ago. He told me about this topic before he posted it. I just wanted an overall look at the whole thing.

Roll do you have any idea of what comparing means. I am not talking about the attacks it's everything. And i knew that gt wasn't in this long after u replied to this post. I just put it in there for the heck of it. Even though GT had nothing to do with akira it still is a part od DB sp just for the fun of it I did an overall check of the whole thing.

Yes, DBGT is (unfortunately) part of the DB series, but it is not to be included in this debate.

Speed
SF--speed of a superathletic human (human ppl), superhuman speed (mutant-like ppl)
DBZ--can move faster than the eye can see, (gotenks) can circle the earth 9 times in 29 minutes.
Edge: DBZ

Defense
SF--to my knowledge, have normal defenses, some can use energy to form shields
DBZ--muscles and skin are so thick that they don't even feel punches sometimes, can easily form ki shields to shield them from blasts.
Edge: DBZ

Strength
SF--superhuman
DBZ--can pick up mountains, can train normally in a room with 100 times earth's normal gravity
Edge: DBZ

Technique
dubya tee eff?
Edge: Draw

Energy/Ki Manipulation
SF--can form blasts capable of destroying a building
DBZ--can form blasts capable of destroying a planet
Edge: DBZ

Desperation Maneuvers
SF--don't know of any
DBZ--can self-destruct in a blast that can destroy Earth
Edge: DBZ


Yep...I think DBZ wins, hands-down

Yeap exactly what I mean. Unless u don't know what SF and DBZ r you'd wanna read a huge explanation but if youo do know them you automatically know who wins. Nantuko thats a good way to put it.

I know what both of them are, and I still don't see how DBZ would win hands down. There are more speeds than running, more strengths than punches/kicks, techinique is essential to all fighters, defenses.... well, yeah there are too many to count but I admit you got it on the ball, Ki manipulation.... there is still at least one more I can think of that doesn't involve attacking, and can change the entire battle, Desperation moves for SF would be attacks like... Sichisei Senkuu-Kyaku, Shun Goku Satsu, Hisho Burai Ken, Otoko Michi, etc.

(BTW, I don't want you guys to get bored, so I'm just trying to mix in a bit of... spice to liven things up, so please, calm yourselves when you post)

SONIC BOOM description:
because it's a game they made it look like a ki blast but it isn't !
the name says it all, SONIC BOOM, he trust his fist forward and make it do a whirl that generate a WHIRLING SONIC WAVE that travel fast enough to hit any opponent !

because it's a game they had to make it visible and they also had to slower it or it would always hit the opponent !

see nantuko, that make sense !
other question, do you know SF completely ? i would say no because if you do not know those techniques then you simply never heard of ALL the characrets in SF !

OTOKO MICHI: DAN most powerfull super, where he grab onto the person and sefl destruct himself with his KI !

SHUN GOKU SATSU: you already know it so i won't describe it !

it's the only two i know because i use them much in MvsC2 !
the other are probably moves that i know but i suck in japanese !

anyway, i already said it once but no, i got BRUSHED aside !
you can't compare those 2, for the only reason is SF don't use ki the same way DBZ char does !

example:
SF use brute force and train to be STRONGER as in MUSCLE and TECHNIQUE
DBZ use KI attack and train to boost that KI.

SF use MUSCLE and TECHNIQUES
DBZ use KI to enhance ALL their KI Blast and their MUSCLE !

and again, the TRAINING goku and vegeta had (400x gravity) isn't impossible to us human ! as goku AND vegeta started training under very lower gravity first and then came up and up until they reach those gravities !

for the only purpose that they don't use the same techs there is simply no chance to that SF can defeat DBZ ! they can if it was DB as DB only used HAND-TO-HAND combat, but not DBZ !

nantuko: do you know that FAT BUU was there when UBUU was fighting in the tenkachi budokai ? he was playing card with SATAN in their house !

FAT BUU = good side
UBUU = reincarnation of the POWER of KID BUU !

in GT, FAT BUU died and UBUU absorbed him to become UUBUU ! or something like that !

hm... well, Think of all the desperation moves as attacks that are hard to avoid, have a highly increased speed and strength, can't be blocked, and all of those are like the shun goku satsu, except that Shun Goku Satsu is unique, as you need to release your soul in order to survive. All the other attacks are very painful towards enemies, but aren't totally kill material.

....I hope you're not bored now. But, I got's to go put the epilogue in for the Moogle Hunting thread. See ya!

Well even if DBZ characters had a hand to hand combat with Sf charaters they would still win.

Reasons:

Speed:Lighting fast speed. And at that speed any punch or kick would be a knock out.

Strength: Now these guys have a ton of power in their hands and legs. One punch from Vegeta or Goku would send someone like Akuma to his death.

Defense: The DBZ character would just stand there take all the hits and once the enemy is tired knock them out by Punch a hole through there stomach.

Well I don't want to get this to be a huge debate. I wana end by saying that I just love SF more than DBZ but I know that Sf wouldd lose to DBZ only because i've followed them both and I have the knowledge to know that SF would lose.

Only reason why I like SF more. Because the fights are interesting to watch the animation is phenominal and the story lines are great.

Just like the difference between a tekken game and a Sf game I rather play tekken for it's realism than SF with it's fake KI blast.

depends...

Yes, No.

No, and not likely.

You're over-estimating, Tidus. And you're not talking about ALL the SF characters. *sighs* There must be at least one character that is so "powerful" that they could be able to tie up the arguement in knots.

I am not saying DBZ would win with no problem I'm sayin they would win but with a little bit fo work.

I don't think you've followed DB and the DBZ series or manga as long as I have. I'm just not making big points because I know who would win and why. And I thought that you guys knew enough about both SF and DBZ to know what I'm talking about.

I don't wanna wast emy time making an everlasting page with all there moves and techniques they would use to win because I have nothing to gain from it but another pointless reply to it.

i'm just going to debate with tarkan since he seems to be the most sensible and powerful debater on the SF side in this thing(no offense to anyone).

one question: if gill is a "god" and he is immortal, then, was he ever defeated? if he's immortal, then there is no need to continue this topic since he can never die. so if that is the case then sf would win (with 99% credit to gill's immortality of course).

OK then. IMmortality. Lets bring in the eternal dragon and wish for goku and vegeta to be immortal. Now that just sucks doesn't it. Two of the strongest fighters immortal against 1 immrotal. Still dbz has the edge.

that's ridiculous, it never happened in the manga. so vegeta and goku aren't immortal. you can't make things up, it would be like saying: get goku to train some more under 1 million x earth's gravity to beat akuma

LOL. I never said they're immrotal. I said it could be possibl, Don't you hink if it was dbz against SF they'd come up with a way to defeat him.

no, unless they bend the rules a little.

Yeap. Exactly what i meant.