Karma I agree with you on the fact that it's something pointless to debate on. But you gotta understand most people here I think are under 15 so they're curios.

[quote:post_uid0="Roll"]Oh I see. You're trying to bring in the fact that they faught against each other. If you're adding in this, Vegeta would probably fight against Goku if Jubilee or someone else said that he was weaker than Goku, and the only way to prove he was stronger would be to kill him. Sad isn't it? Now, I can bring up rivalries all day. Would you like to make the fight fair or not? If so then I'll continue.

By Pheonix I mean the entity herself. They both combined, remember? They became one, and increased her power of the mind. She can definitely Control the minds of all the DBZ characters easily, as stated by Nantuko. Btw, Machine, you forget that Vegeta doesn't like to show weaknesses, so he might have just said that in order to seem like he meant for it to happen. I mean, he couldn't have known that babadi was going to increase his strength at all.

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.[/quote]
ok i see your point but vegeta saw how Videl did that fatel blow on Spopovitch in the tournerment, and did not even scracth him(and that move could almost kill a human) And when Vegeta found out about babadi's mind control over the 2 slaves which made them strounger than a averge human and the ablity to fly. He was thinking about letting babdi do this to him so he could be even more powerful. More powerful then goku.

For u see Vegeta knew he was weaker than goku when he failed against freeza. He was bossed around for years by the man who kiiled his father and he prince of all syains could do nothing about it, but when he saw goku go ss a mere low class sayain passed even him. Then and there he said for now goku is the stroungest i am at his mercy, also his pride was broken even when goku's own son took down cell and he failed in that. That is why he was so determine to be more powerful than goku and evened pushed his son trunks in training at a young age so his son could overcome goku's son goten.
Therefore it was his goal to train hard and one day beat goku in combat, and i dont think Jubilee could even push him thinking what he already knows
come on roll bring it on! :sly:

Then again, Machine, Vegeta is really stupid. Look how many times he's been tricked or has under-estimated people. (Cell, Frieza, Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Goku.....Goku :biggrin: ) Don't forget, that Onslaught could make him forget about him being stronger than Goku (if he really is) and then Jubilee could taunt him.


Veggeto/Vegetto: Oh yeah? Then why do BOTH of you have the SAME Banners? and avatar? And why do they have Veggeto and Vegetto on the banners? You are such a big fat liar, and I hate liars, Vegetto/Veggeto.

Wow, three more pages in a day. I've got some catching-up to do:

That's great....and also, while she's doing her disapperaing act, she can't attack anyone either, because she'd pass right through them

Ooh...he can hop. DBZ characters can fly. And it can't paralyze someone just from getting on there clothes or skin, they'd have to get it inside there body somehow

Yes...steel...and what are those buildings in DBZ made out of that get destroyed so easily during fights?

However, this is a fight to the death, not poker. Luck has nothing to do with instincts and good fighting skills

Any buu could take him out (i retract my previous statement about only kid buu). Buu has no mind, no internal organs or skeleton. Therefore, he can not be subject to any form of mind control or physical paralysis.

Not if its done from a distance. Remember, Babidi controlled Vegeta's mind, and he was already a good way into the control before Vegeta even knew what was going on...

Brolly doesn't count, since he didn't exist in the DBZ timeline

How many times do I have to tell you? DBZ fighters don't use RAW ENERGY! THEY USE KI! THERE'S A DIFFERENCE!

He can't heal himself immediately. If he got blown through the midsection with a beam, it's all over. Not even the adamantium skeleton would stop the blast

All except the Androids, Cell, and Buu

Teleporting is not a measure of speed. Goku can teleport too

Yes, but while she's in that state, she can't attack either

However, Storm is incredibly weak, and the weakest Ki blast from the weakest character in DBZ would knock her down.

I'm not just talking about little pieces. I'm talking COMPLETE DISINTEGRATION!!! As in, NOTHING LEFT!

the Adamantium on Wolverin'es skeleton IS ABLE TO BE BROKEN AND BENT. After all, how did the ppl who bonded it to wolverine shape it and curve it around his body? They had to have been able to bend or break or melt it somehow. Therefore, a DBZ beam would be able to shatter the metal.

And <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>ALLL</span> of a DBZ character's energy is pure ki. There is no "pure energy" or "raw energy"

You can't use that, because that dimension doesn't exist. In DBZ, when Goku teleports, he <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>IMMEDIATELY</span> appears where he wants to be, there is no in between. That dimension in Movie #6, it doesn't really exist

He can absorb it via his tail. Remember, he still has his tail in Perfect form, it's just really small. That's where he spit the Cell Jr.s from. He'd absorb the gem via his tail

He absorbed Android 17 and 18. They're half biological, half mechanical. Therefore, he is able to absorb non-biological forms

That dimension doesn't exist. And even if it did, there isn't only one entrance and one exit. Goku could form his own entrance and exit. And Goku's teleportation is INSTANTANEOUS, the exact moment he disappears, he reappears

Those little explosions aren't REAL explosions, just a flash of fire and sulfur. They wouldn't faze the DBZ characters, no matter how many times he does it.

and Goku could indeed sense Nightcrawler's teleportation. Characters can sense teleportation. They feel their "ki" and feel where it can appear next. Also, Goku would be able to hear the explosion of nightcrawler's teleportation and be there to punch him the moment he reappears. Remeber, Goku can OUTRUN AN EXPLOSION EVEN IF HE IS AT THE CORE! Therefore, he would be able to hear the beginning of Nightcrawler's return teleport and be there even before Nightcrawler reappears fully

although I'm all for DBZ, Buu is NOT invincible. lemme learn you something here:

After Kid Buu was killed, Goku wanted to fight Buu again (as a challenge) and used the Dragonballs to wish him back from death. However, only Buu's good half came back, and instead of forming Fat Buu, it formed Ubuu.

Therefore, Buu CAN be killed

He was never invincible in the first place

Videl could not become as strong as Piccolo or Kuririn. At best, she'd be able to kick Yamucha's ass (if she trained like mad), but no stronger

He'd just get annoyed with Jubilee and blast her. Besides, what will she do? Shoot fireworks at him?

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hha i shouled tell you this why? because the other vegetto is my coiusin and he toled me about the forum that won is the liar look he put him self the same age as me and me and my cousins computer is connectedand he told me the url for the banner oh what you say what you are

roll why in the hell are u calling me machine ???

:D dbz wud wup ass against x men street fight marvel and all.[CODE] reason #1 dbz guys havem ultimate attacks#2 dbz guys are faster than hell #3 KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : :angry: :angryfire: butx men wud put up a good fight and it depends on which dbz carachter they fight anbd wat point and time.Im with nantuko on many points and Id like 2 piont out 1.Wen night crawler dissapears he lets off a sulferic type smoke that indicates him going into the other dimension, but when goku teleports (which he doesnt,he uses instant transmission)there is no smoke ,or anything in that matter except his afterimage.so he doesnt go there k? THANK U

case closed DBZ wins :D *turns ss flys out window to roll's house to throw ki's at her house* jk :D :laugh:

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS !

[quote:post_uid0="SSJKarma"]nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS ![/quote]
once again, DBZ character do not just use Ki to make their attacks stronger. You seriously think that Goku isn't much stronger than a normal human without using ki? You're seriously wrong. In Dragonball, they did just strength training without using ki, and Goku was still a kid, and he still whomped ass over every single person in the Tenkaichi Budoukais.

that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.

And I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong...