About onlsaught... - Question and request

[SSJKarma]

QUESTION: am i the only one who think onslaught is unbeatable unles you cheap your way till the end of the fight ?

i mean, i was blocking, blasting, blocking, blasting all the match cause whever i tryed to get close, i was shot down by something else i still got knocked back to the end of the screen !

normally i am the kind of person who resolve to cheapness when times come but there is limits to this madness !
everytime we use a super he just throw out an helper, who actually is always blanka, guile or shuma who have all almost 9 times the use. meaning i get killed before i got time to make him down to his half.

i have no problem with THOUGH BOSS, but this is complete madness and total suicide !

here is the second question...
am i the only one who CANNOT hit him while he does his supers ?

example:
he does his magnetic tempest, i super jump behind him while he is still in his pose and hit him with everything i got... but he doesn't even lose energy as my kicks/punches pass right thru him without even touching him !

is this suppose to be right ?
if so then it is clearly not fair !

next, i am mid-way of him when i block his SUPER FLAMING FORM, my character block but once he is pass me my character gets hit by all the rest of the hits.
i don,t know about it but that moves takes up almost half of your bar and even if i block i still get hit by hit !

all this happens only in practice mode has i never fought him while in quick matches !

this is not a FLAME or anything, i just want tmyapp or any other person to check it out cause i am pretty good and still i get my ass whooped everytimes !

without cheaping i cannot beat him !
the only trick that works his when i am in the corner and he is blocking me, now i hit him and none of his super hit me. this is the only time i have been able to defeat him ! i have been trying to beat him from like when this version came out !

if anyone has the same problem then tell, or he will never be tweaked !

[Scorponok]

<font color="blue">The move he does that looks like the Juggernaut helper can be blocked. When Onslaught does it block, and when he is about halfway through you press the opposite direction, if you timed it right you will block the whole thing. Onslaught doesn't get hit with anything when he does a super with me too. I can beat him another way, do a couple hits then super jump and do moves to prevent you from coming down for a bit, hit him again, then repear the process.</color>

[TMyApp]

Onlslaught is VERY cheap.. (i know that.. u know that.. HE knows that) :biggrin:

the problem is, if he is made to be any less-cheap... he will be too easy for most of the (good) players :(

If you're using a code to get a boss character (who can't block btw) it would be kind of pointless if they were weak.

He has weaknesses, like all characters... you'll find out how to exploit them sooner or later.

[SSJKarma]

has anyone of you read and understood me right ?
i'm not talking about a character who cannot block and that makes SUPERS all the time !
hell i would also be yelling at those AI who always block !
but no !

i am only saying that when he does a super you are forced to block and i have no choice but doing so, as i cannot touch him !

HE IS INVINCIBLE DURING ALL SUPERS !
at least on my computer !
whatever i do, i hit him...
but when he does a super and i dodge it, he become INVINCIBLE TO ANY OF MY ATTACKS !

don't know if it is suppose to be like that but men, like i said.
i can bear the fact he has only supers, men onslaught in the arcade is like that.
but this one is just plain INVINCIBLE during his supers !
i jump over him and kicked him like hell ! and all this while he was doing that huge beam !
ALL MY ATTACKS passed right THRU him !
none actually connect until he had finished doing it !

was it suppose to be like that, i think not !
but it is happenning and if you don't believe me then come at my house and try it for yourself !
i can't make any movie with sounds, so i can't show it to you and a picture isn't going to show you something !

now just close that damn thing if you're not gonna help just cause YOU can CHEAP in a fight !

I AM NOT CHEAP AND I WILL NEVER RESORT TO CHEAP TRICKS like that stupid fight with onslaught !
it is very sad not to be able to know all the finish because of that stupid INVINCIBILITY !

[Kingryu1]

onslaught is a tough char, and a cheap one. and lag makes it a LOT worse. :( :plain:

[Scorponok]

<font color="blue">If you don't like him doing supers, don't let him do it. Hadoukens. Superjump. Helper.</color>

[Elena]

Well do what i do when he does the charging dash thing press left down and right at the same time and to cancel out his combos use you fireball or optic blast thing be sure to stay far away at all times and dont try to super jump you will still get hit just block and cancel out with fireballs

[PARADISE-X]

Onslaught is stronger in xmvssf(online) than MvC(arcade)...all of his moves are longer and stronger...I dont know what to say...I havent found a way to beat him whitout using "cheapnesse" ???

[ULT1MATEWAR321]

ONSLUGHT BECOMES EASIER TO BEAT AS U GET BETTER I CAN BEAT HIM EVERY TIME NOW INSTEAD OFF COMPLAINING
USE THAT TIME TO PRACTISE THEN YOULL BE ABLE TO BEAT HIM I FIND ITS BEST TO STAY CLOSE TO HIM MYSELF AND OPTICS OR FIREBALLS ARE THE BEST ATTACK STANDARD MOVES ARE ONLY LIKE AN IRRITANT TO HIM :D

[SSJKarma]

ok, since no one ever understood EXACTLY what i am saying !
let me tell it otherwise ...

I CANNOT BLOCK HIM FROM DOING HIS SUPERS
even if i throw out a thousands of hadoken he will do his supers as when he does he became invincible until he finish !
the only super i can block it from doing it is the giant beam attack !

all others are just innevitable for me.
since it sweems to be only in my computer i don't know what to do about it and it seems people think of me as a WEAK fighter, BUT I AM NOT WHEN THERE IS NO LAG I CAN KICK PRETTY MUCH ANYONE IN THIS GAME !

i just think it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to beat him without that CORNER bug i have found !
without that one i get kill before i have time to kick his ass !
next: having to change block while he is doing the thing isn't suppose to be like that !

since you all think it stupid to say anything about onslaught then CLOSE THAT DAMN THING !
i hate it, every time someone say something you all go easy on them but when it's me you just bust out saying i am wrong !
i have enough of ALWAYS having the WRONG version of thing because YOU ALL think you're right !

anyway, you don't have the problem fine, but i have that problem and i want a solution to solve it !
you think i didn't know i could TRY to block those supers... I AM NOT NOOB AND I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT !
don't judge caus eof the ONLINE game cause in practice i can kill all opponent without even having to sweat. but once i come against onslaught i get kill all the time and i couldn't even get half of his life !

the problems are big, but lie i said, it seems (from what you say) that it is MY computer only !

[TMyApp]

i think u'r using the wrong strategy here...

1st off.. Onslaught is NOT invincible... while regular moves cannot touch him during his Hyper moves, projectiles AND other hyper moves can...

so... what u really have to do is know when to "block" some of his supers, and when to use your own hyper moves aginast him (to stop his)

yes he has a helper... which makes things a lot harder... but projectiles are also "the key here"... the can stop most of his hyper moves, which gives char's like Ryu quite an advantage...

also.. the right helper can make all the dif... for example... Spiral (the most h8ted helper of them all) could be used to teleport behind Onslaught.. allowing you to use a projectile to stop his hyper move... then, go crazy on him with regular kicks and punches (allowing you to build up your hyper bar.. so that it could be used to "save u'r life" later on)

bottom line... if i take away some of the "cheapness" from Onslaught (sonsidering his doesn't have his Omega form YET) he would be WAY too easy to beat... (and i'd get even more people bitching)...

[edit]

also (this just came to me)... the reason why regular kicks and punches dont' hurt Onlslaught is because if they did... all u had to do is stand right next to him and use "light punch" all day (which was just stupid)... so... this was my way of trying to get rid of the cheapness...

in the arcade however, that is not a problem, since Onslaught can teleport accross the screen after taking too much damage (or @ random)... which was ONE (important) move that never made the final build of 0.6b... :biggrin:

solution ?? "just give it time"... all will be right again (one day) :biggrin:



Edited By TMyApp on Nov. 16 2002 at 12:00

[XtremetheZealot]

Well, I use wolverine. When I use BBX against Onslaught, he doesn't go into his "getting hit" animation. Although he is receiving damage, he can still go into his own hyper I'm unleashing my own hyper on him, and then im getting my ass lit up by his hyper.

The only way to stop his onslaught (pardon the pun) is to use the helper on him when you're wolverine.

TMy, you're leaving the wolverine users up the creek vs onslaught!!

[mysticveggeto]

use wolvy and any partner and if you block with wolverine he takes little to no damage and gets more hp and sends a little to your partner :)

[SSJKarma]

first: since when is wolvie getting HEALED every times he block ? *looking suspicious at mysticveggeto*

second: now that was an answer TMyApp, now i know that the fact the kicks and punches weren't working. that's exactly the kind of answer i wanted ! i think i found a bug about him thou !

here goes...
i fight him.
then i hyper jump behind him.
he FLAME DASH at me.
i block it.
now, i am in the corner of the screen.
he is right next to me, blocking me from getting out of the corner.
that's when i can beat him whatever he does !
i can just kick the hell out of him with anything, he will always miss since the supers he does gets started behind me (out of the screen)

i think it is a bug that is cool since it makes it easy to kill him. but still when it happen it gets out all the fun of fighting him !
what do you think of that !

again, i want to thanks you tmy now, i know exactly how it works and now i know why you did that ! its exactly the answer i wanted ! thanks again.