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asshole

02-23-2003, 07:55 PM

(from 2000warrior)
2 things...
1. No hate topics (ever).
2. Easy on the spamming... while this IS the Random Insanity... keep that type of annoying posting up and you won't have a true random insanity section for long

I don't remember there being a rule on Hate ToPics. I'm not trying to start any Problem with you, but what's this new rule? all about?
Even if there IS one for the general Parts, there was NEVER one for the R.I Part...

Even Warmor aPProved that!
But if it's a enw rule or anythign that I didn't know, My aPologizies!

SSJKarma

02-23-2003, 09:14 PM

ok, i know i'm 2kwarrior, but i can probably answer that one !

i am with him on this one...
even tho this is Random Insanity, there are insanities that donesn't have their places in this forum ! and all this whatever the section they are in !

example of those INSANITIES are...
1 - pornographie
2 - flaming/hating topics
3 - all other things that are too disturbing...

lets say i am in a dilemma, like telling 2kwarrior to actually delete BLOODPACK #### topic !
but anyway...
you understand how it is...
if HATE TOPICS are created it will only bring chaos to a place that already have enough problems as it is. we don't want to hanymore of those troubles do we ?

i'm with him...
FLAMING/HATE topics shouldn't be existing at all, whatever the section they are in !

DanYankees

02-24-2003, 05:14 AM

KidKrazyShit

02-24-2003, 06:50 AM

Here's an idea. Why don't we ask lefty if he'll delete the RI section :biggrin:

SSJKarma

02-24-2003, 03:43 PM

sorry, i meant I'm WITH 2KWarrior !

sorry for the mistake !
KKS: would not solves the problems and it would create even more ! :colgate:

asshole

02-24-2003, 06:22 PM

Karma, I think you meant to say: I know, I'm, NOT 2000warrior, but I can Probably answer this question!

And by the way, if someone wants to exPress a feeling, even if it is of hate, it should be allowed, I know you can PM, but what if it's a situation which can only be solved with a helP of others?
It's not like they can go to a Chatroom or something, therefore they say it HEA!!

And even if it directed to just one Person, a Person could STILL want to exPress it to the comunity, on what the other did for the hater to hate! Right?

( Yeah... don't tell me I argue too much, I've been nominated for that in $hitty schools of mine! )

SSJKarma

02-24-2003, 09:40 PM

well... i know what you mean asshoie.
i too have already made a lot of flame topics !
at least those were made because i had something that had to get out of my chest.
but how many times have you seen those being deleted ?
never !
how many times have you seen them get closed ?
always !

see... people still can read them, but allowing people to actually flame back is just too stupid !
if they want to solves the problems, i say go ahead and do a topic for that.
but if you see it to become FLAME ONLY and nothing get solved.
close the topic before it goes to far !

a lot of topics are actually doing that #### and people doesn't seems to understand the thing.
example:
if i'm...
i would...

that topic is a clear FLAME STARTER !
why ?
because someone will imitate someone just joking around, but the other person will take it as an insult and boom it starts the flaming, then their friends join too, what do you get ? a big bad flaming topic !

its that i'm against !
again... i understand your point. true that people should be allowed to say what's on their mind.
but never should it be FLAMING ONLY !

asshole

02-25-2003, 02:15 PM

Karma, what if Victim A, flamed Victim B, because B did something, but really didn't. Then the tPic is closed, to B is screwed and has to make a new thread which will take uP sPace.
I say just let 'es solve their own mess, right? You wouldn't want a Mod to close every toPic and NEVER a conclusion to the part!

But if it's a RACISM Flame, or flame without a reason, then that should ofcourse be DELETED!!!

02-25-2003, 03:52 PM

asshole: You're right.. there was no official announcement against hate topics. However, there was this announcement (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9280) against excessive hate/flaming :biggrin:

As for why I prefer to see a clean forum where people settle their arguements outside of the forum... well, because flaming leads to wastes of our time like this (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4418), and posts that are utterly baseless in reason and in ability to make a clear arguement why you're superior to your rival such as this (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10791), idiocy and stupidity such as this one (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9368), oh and let us not forget how EVERYONE can gang up on a new member for no reason at all, just like this topic right here (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5225). Perhaps you already forgot about Sportschick155's recent little "war" against Lordcyris and how poor that made the forums look.. but I havn't, and I know exactly what a lot of hatred and flaming brings.

My reasoning is simple:

Flaming topics lead to people loating each other, resulting in many words of hatred/flame being spread, more people getting sucked into the arguement, and nothing getting solved. And not only does it make the xvssf community a much worse place to post/reside in, it also makes the forum look like ####, and so it would become, if such a thing were allowed to continue.

If you review all of those topics, every single one of them consisted of flaming without reason (no, saying you don't like someone else is NOT a justifiable reason to flame them openly). In fact I have NEVER seen a justifiable flame topic, and I implore you to try and find one on this forum. If you can do this simple task I will most assuradly withdraw my arguements :biggrin:

But if you cannot provide this, I will (continue to) find no basis for your arguement, thus closing this topic :biggrin:

Edited By 2000warrior on Feb. 25 2003 at 18:55

SBYRD5

02-25-2003, 04:02 PM

Gulp...TMYAPP exploded in anger in one of those links....

Man Zing79 use to post regularly....

Hmm Interesting.

asshole

02-25-2003, 04:57 PM

WoW, those threads you showed me are Pretty useless...
And two of them (if not more) are from LOOOONNNG ago.
And they're even more useless because you just showed me "FLAME" threads.., which is im also Anti.
Lemme refresh yer head:

But if it's a RACISM Flame, or flame without a reason, then that should ofcourse be DELETED!!!

Ahh, are we all settled?
I said "WHY" to Hate toPics, not FLAME toPics, and you say you've never seen any justice in flame toPics, well every single flame situation "I've" been in, I always solve it (well maybe not every.)
So, we clear on my Point?
And now it's your turn!

Oh and what was that..?
If you can't win this argument, yer gonna close this thread also? Was that right, or am I just seeing things?

02-25-2003, 06:34 PM

*cougH*... to answer your original question on this topics (which really seems to have been neglected up until this point), no formal rule has been made (to my knowledge anyways.. unless you count that announcement as a rule). I've been hesitent to actually make it a rule because hating/flaming is practically impossible to avoid... however no flaming/hating topics (ever). They, however, do go directly against the "announcement," and are definitely avoidable in this community.

And now, the response:

WoW, those threads you showed me are Pretty useless...
...being the cheif reason I mentioned them. They were/are/will continue to be a waste of forum space.

If you can't win this argument, yer gonna close this thread also? Was that right, or am I just seeing things?
Oh wait... it's if YOU can't win this arguement with actual facts I'm going to cease wasting my/your/everyone else's time in this thread.

I said "WHY" to Hate toPics, not FLAME toPics, and you say you've never seen any justice in flame toPics...
Que: You drawing a legitamate distinction between hate and flame topics.

asshole

02-26-2003, 03:07 PM

I think I've won the case, since it's not a rule to start hate toPics..

But the thing you said:

(from 2000warrior)
You drawing a legitamate distinction between hate and flame topics.

Umm.. I don't even know what "Legitamate Distinction" means, so I can't rePly anything about that!

02-26-2003, 07:05 PM

www.dictionary.com

I think I've won the case, since it's not a rule to start hate toPics..
Yeah, well go ahead and think that... but it won't stop hate/flame topics from being locked automatically :biggrin:

Oh and btw... mods reserve the right to change/add rules whenever needed... if I see hate/flame topics going up like crazy, it will be added with upmost hast :biggrin:

Until then... it's an automatic locking with no real punishment to the starter unless they do something like Sportschick155 did.

Edited By 2000warrior on Feb. 26 2003 at 22:06

SSJKarma

02-26-2003, 07:49 PM

which means it will get banishement if its you who is hated at ! :biggrin:

*cough* POWER ABUSE *cough*

:biggrin: :biggrin:

No... it means that they will get banishment if they create 8+ hate/flame topics @ 1 person within a few hours they'll get banned.

Edited By 2000warrior on Feb. 27 2003 at 07:10

asshole

02-27-2003, 02:01 PM

Sorry 2000, but it seems like Power Abuse to me also, but you ARE right, if they get out of hand, then make it a rule, for now, LEAVE US ALONE!! ;]

Oh and why didn't you just make a new Post, ionstead of Editing in Karmas'?

02-27-2003, 02:51 PM

asshole: That would be because I think I've posted enough consecutive times in here.

Aight.. I can see this is going no where (but off topic), so allow me to settle this "power abuse" bs once and for all...

1. How many people do you see running around with a membership that says "banned by 2000warrior"? Any?? Then quit your bitching!
2. Why do you even suppose TMyApp allows mods (all mods) to ban people on notification? This is for the simple reason that "he trusts us" and has even urged mods @ times to start banning MORE people. But wait... he can't abuse power now can he?
3. Why else do you think the "rules section" was created then for mods to create rules? Mods are here to make the admin's jobs easier/greatly lessened... leftyfb has made this point before, and created the rules section to BE USED.
4. Why do you think mods have the power to post rules in the first place? If leftyfb and TMyApp didn't want mods making new rules/announcements, they wouldn't have access to even post in there. But we do, and have been bitched @ before for inactivity.
5. On average.. how many new rules do you see actually being put up there by me per day? Week?? Oh yeah... it's on an "every other month" basis (or less). Some great big "power abuse" case you've got running so far.

Now, the problem here is how you (or anyone else who thinks I'm "abusing power" for that matter) think that "if 2000warrior says something, we can bitch at him about it.. he's just a mod." However, if TMyApp says something, then it's "we can bitch about it, but he's not abusing power since he owns all it."

For example, 2000warrior can make an announcement and this not be taken seriously (ie: no excessive flaming/hate). However, when TMyApp makes an announcement banning mugen/emulator discussions... people can/do get banned over it, and nobody calls it power abuse.

Let me clarify your sad misjudgement at this point:

TMyApp makes free online fighting game. ##### piss TMyApp off. TMyApp brings in mods to help/take over the moderation of the forum, and keep #####/assholes (like yourself) in check. Or if you want it in plainer english: The mods have 100% jurisdiction here (www.dictionary.com).

And with that said, please feel free to pull your heads out of your own asses and comprehend something for once in your life.

As for the rest of this whole hate/flame discussion... because the opposition (asshole) has suffered from a chronic lack of showing me "facts" and instead preached to the idea that "it's totally irrelevent because there was no official rule," I'll go ahead and spare him from further futility (www.dictionary.com) and close this topic. :biggrin:

If anyone feels they can mount an actual defense of their claims, feel free to bring it up again.

asshole

02-27-2003, 03:23 PM

WoW yer lame..

First, you make a rule, whch isn't intended to be there, because HATE toPics ARE allowed... but not Flame.
Second, you just showed how low you can go by saying "If I do something, it's hated, If TMyApp does, it's not", uhhh I got banned 3 times bud, and 2 times, it was because I was in an argument with TMyApp, did you know that?
Three, you just proved that yer not a good mod, by "TMyApp makes free online fighting game. ##### piss TMyApp off. TMyApp brings in mods to help/take over the moderation of the forum, and keep #####/assholes (like yourself) in check. Or if you want it in plainer english: The mods have 100% jurisdiction here ".

Tell me, was there a reason to call me an "asshole"?
Or did you do it because you just don't like me? Is that why you did it?

Oh and if you notice, Hate toPics have been around for a WHILE, and not one Mod/Admin did anything about it! And don't even say "Yeah, we let you guys get off too far!", That'd just be lame, because everyone knows (as should you) that hate toPics have NEVER caused a real big Problem, now have they?
That one by sPorts you keeP mentioning, was more of a Flame Thread!

Now quit this non-sense, before one of us ends uP leaving!
You know what you do!

02-27-2003, 06:58 PM

Unlock the topic?? Fine... just do me 1 thing here:

First, you make a rule, whch isn't intended to be there, because HATE toPics ARE allowed... but not Flame
Would you be so kind as to point out the difference (or any point they don't go hand-in-hand for that matter).

ZeroEna

02-27-2003, 08:47 PM

ZeroEna quietly sits litening and eating tofu*

Duo: Same old same ol.... Ok children behave....

gets cahsesed off by diranged forumers with scissors*

Quatre: Can't we all just get along?

ZeroEna: I'f only it were possible but we're only in-human. lol

But seriously what the rule means is that not to create meaningless threads dedicated to the sole purpose of hating others theres just no real point to it. :laughlong: But I'm going to make a thread right now for the purpose of letting anger out without too much flame, I don't know if it'll work but one can only hope try their best and hope it works out.

Continues to eat his tofu in silence while typing* :yinyang:

SSJKarma

02-27-2003, 11:49 PM

as far as my last post was concerned...
it was only a joking post... like i understand the deal and the fact !
it was purlya joke 2kwarrior/asshoie !
don't take it personally like you did 2kwarrior !

there's only one person i would say he has been abusing his power at some point, but i won't anem who... but it's not you 2kwarrior !

again, it was simply a joke... nothing more, nothing less !

as long as it is ok to make a topic to let out some "very buried old frustration that needed to come out after 6 months of discretion". i am ok with that ! but i understand that too much is just simply annoying and that's why i will not argue more snce we already understand both points !

also...
** difference between hate topics / flaming topics **
-- HATE TOPICS --
1 - hate topics usually includes some REASONS why the topic was made...
2 - HATE topics signify there is a message to be passed on, as one has enought of the others.
3 - it also means the person wants everyone to know the problem so a solution or "discussion" can be made to solve the problem. (bold english, the person ask for help)

-- FLAME TOPICS --
1 - usually only for flaming purpose
2 - has no reason at all !
3 - generally made by a Noob that doesn't understand how PMs works or just simply post as it comes !

this is how i think things are...
that's my description of those...
actually i can name you SOME HATE topics that were necessary, not including those i made some times ago !

i agree tho, the difference is clear and big, but FLAMES topics are like 95% over HATE topics which are a mere 5% !

02-28-2003, 04:15 AM

In that case... you wouldn't mind finding me a topic where this is true would you?

DanYankees

02-28-2003, 04:47 AM

A flame topic is a FORM of hate topic. It's obvious there's hate involved when someone is flaming someone else. In flaming there is just a lot more crude language..."hate topics" is a very general phrase.

MIG

02-28-2003, 08:05 AM

i dont really see the problem in not having hate topics on the board is...do u really want to log into the board go over to random insanity and see that it's full of ppl bitching and flaming

asshole

02-28-2003, 01:07 PM

Hate Thread: " I hate 2000warrior, he did something he shouldnt've. Why would he make such a rule? There was no reason for that, Can we get things cleared uP on that? "

Flame Thread: " 2000warrior, fuuck you, yer gay.. I hate you. You should DIE, you Power Abuser!! Go kiss uP to TMyApp a little more, maybe he'll make you an admin, you ass kisser"..

Ahem, do I make my Point clear?

ZeroEna

02-28-2003, 04:00 PM

*sighs* somethings never change..... sips some green tea*
:yinyang:

DanYankees

02-28-2003, 04:07 PM

02-28-2003, 05:11 PM

Well, I see 2 examples but no topics posted, why is that? Could it be because we've never even had a non-flame hate topic?? :biggrin:

Methinks this is not helping your case...

ZeroEna

02-28-2003, 08:02 PM

examples:

Hate thread: Zeroena talks like a queer

Flame thread: Whoa, that's gotta be the queerest stuff I've ever heard. I mean, MY GAWD "sip on some more green tea." Is he in some odd way trying to be funny? Man...I just can't get over the queerness of it all.
Call me what you wish, words from a fool mean nothing to me don't even bother presueing an argument with me it would just make you look stupider.

cleans up the mess from his lunch from earlier and starts to play a gundam wing turn on his clarinet*

I'm not trying to be funny by this I'm actualy am doing what I say in real life. Unless I'm writing a story then I'm not. But otherwize I am.

DanYankees

02-28-2003, 08:11 PM

hmm...I believe it's "pursuing," but anyway it was just an example. I just see what you find as humerous...well...queer. You say it will make me look "stupider," yet that isn't even a word. That is a true sign of stupidity.

Anyway if you claim you can make me look stupid, be my guest. I couldn't care less of what others thought of me, especially at an xmen vs streetfighter forum.

Sheesh, you and Roll really have a lot in common. You take this online stuff WAY to seriously.

ZeroEna

02-28-2003, 08:35 PM

reads the last post by DanYankees with his hand on his left arm........

Finishes and looks up with his usual emotionless face as his hand slowly slides down his left arm his nails leaving small beads of blood in its wake*

"..............."

I just did. After telling you I won't amuse you with an arguement you continue your pointless pursuit of one.

As I said before the words of a fool mean nothing to me. And exactly what was the point of bringing Roll into this? I fail to see any point at all she's gone anyway sadly....... so I see no relavence of bringing her into the matter. :yinyang:

SolidSnake76

02-28-2003, 08:42 PM

thats enough u 2.

SSJKarma

02-28-2003, 09:35 PM

have made some research to proove my point SHINJUKO !

look at these who didn't even get locked even tho they were HATING THREAD !

** SSJKarma HATE Topics **
http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....sjkarma (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=5715)
http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....sjkarma (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6113)
http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....sjkarma (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4850)

** TarkanX HATE Topics **
http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....tarkanx (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4299)
http://bbs.projectx.cyberfuturism.com/cgi-bin....=tmyapp (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6529)

they are HATE topics cause the main reason the topic was made was because of the anger the person had towards a group of predetermined people ! which classified those as HATE topics.

see how well they had been going without being closed ?
why ?
because...

1 - there is a reason...
2 - the person clearly started a debate on how he hated those kind of things

see, everything i have mentionned that DIFFERENCIATE HATE / FLAME topics are found in those !

i know, most are by myself in that search... but look under anyones name's and you'll found a lot more not made by me but by others that hated a certain group of person or even just a simple !

including thias fact too...
YOU participated in those HATE topics without closing them, which means you actually shared that same hate and that's why you thought those topics weren't HATE topics !

see the difference between HATE / FLAMING ?

for all others...
yes there is HATE in FLMAING POSTS, but you can easilly say there was no reason to some of the FLAMING topics were REAL HATE topics usually ask to be debated on !

03-01-2003, 12:10 AM

they are HATE topics cause the main reason the topic was made was because of the anger the person had towards a group of predetermined people ! which classified those as HATE topics.

Oh, no wait... they're bitching topics, because the main reason they're posting is to BITCH at/about someone else.

1 - there is a reason...
2 - the person clearly started a debate on how he hated those kind of things
1 - there is a reason...
2 - the person clearly was bitching to/about someone

including thias fact too...
YOU participated in those HATE topics without closing them,
including thias fact too...
I participated in those BITCHING topics without closing them, because I became a mod on Sept. 4th 2002 (and thus, COULDN'T close them).

And now to make 1 more point on top of your mountain of reasons why bitching topics are different from flaming topics... Employing the same technique of your very own flaming, err um.. I mean hating, earlier in this post by means of being sarcasm:
which means it will get banishement if its you who is hated at !

*cough* POWER ABUSE *cough*

Which obviously led directly to this:
Sorry 2000, but it seems like Power Abuse to me also
and thus began a road towards flaming...

TMyApp brings in mods to help/take over the moderation of the forum, and keep #####/assholes (like yourself) in check

You're just so lucky that I'm a lenient person and don't flame/ban instantly, or you BOTH would have been under heavy flame. I'll be honest with you.. I can take almost any insult and let it bounce off. I've done it with Luna, fear, and now you guys... but bringing up a specific lie that you KNOW is a lie, that I KNOW is a lie, and that everyone who knows who I am KNOWS is a lie pisses me off more then anything I've seen on this forum. You cannot even fathom what kind of rage it fills me with to hear you guys reminding me of fear's posts (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6242), coming from one of the guys I used to have a lot of respect for...

And this is EXACTLY why topics like the ones you posted shouldn't be allowed... but I allow them in any case because they're not true hate posts. They're not saying "mastermax, LEARN HOW TO SPELL! TMYAPP SHOULD HAVE BANNED YOU A LONG TIME AGO!! NOBODY CAN READ YOUR POSTS YOU STUPID ####! TAKE SOME ENGLISH CLASSES!" Instead they're more of "now i am not complaining about the fact you play it, do whatever you want people. it is there for you to play, but i am asking you to stop all those ONSLAUGHT topic you all start cause it is getting pretty annoying !" ie: bitching... which is fine as long as it's not ultra-excessive.

And, well... I've posted enough for now...

ZeroEna: You know... you could either chose sides or just cease spaming all together :biggrin:

ZeroEna

03-01-2003, 01:35 AM

Whaaaa!!! falls backwards sweatdroping* first off I don't see how what I'm doing is spaming..... I'm just trying to settle the both of you down and as much as I dislike taking sides I'm with you on this one only this one. I'm just tired of all the flame topics it's pointless.

DanYankees

03-01-2003, 06:22 AM

You all keep repeating the same material. This debate is not going to be settled.

You keep repeating that I am a fool, but I see no reason behind it. Yes I am in a pursuit of an argument because I am bored. Will you please just carry on with it?

03-01-2003, 08:21 AM

ZeroEna: I know, but nobody's picking up on it.

DanYankees: Exactly... SSJKarma will just come back with "yes those are hate topics," and what am I gonna do then? "Those are bitching topics"? Pfft... this is a waste of everyone's time.

I'm against flaming... that and there. To me, hating leads to flaming, and they both go hand in hand. The topics that were posted are fine... but the types like TarkanX posted do lead to hating and flaming (ex: SFPOA and TarkanX's most recent spelling topic in which SSJKarma got pissed off that people were telling him to spell right). Something might have to be done about them in the future... but they don't start out as hating topics, so I'm fine with it.

Bottom line: I see a topic that I KNOW is going to lead to flaming, it's close/deleted. And that's all that needs to be said in this topic.