Einstein's theory of relativity - Discussion

[Dan Hibiki]

Is it possible for a human to travel at the speed of light, despite absorbing millions of joules of energy which would make the person spontaneously explode, by the reference point of an individual standing still on Earth?

[SSJKarma]

Mentally yes...
physically no...

[Dan Hibiki]

Mentally yes? What?

[Jr]

i think that it is possible........ :dontgetit:

[gotenks007]

who kno's

[Warmor]

Hmmm...good point.....

[Roll]

It pretty much depends on how the being traveled. Could you at least clarify that?

[MacDougall]

I don't think it's possible.......but will we ever know????? probably not.......

[Dan Hibiki]

The person is traveling by conventional, get-from-point-a-to-point-b-by-traveling-inbetween-them-method.

Does anybody know Einstein's theory of Relativity, or do I need to post it?

[Roll]

Well, I have a hypothesis. You can go at the speed of light, if you have the right acceleration, balance, control, and direction and angle. If your going down a very steep hill approximately 2,000 miles high (which is possible) and your going on a bus/car/motorcycle you can reach the speed of light as soon as you are 1 mile away from the ground (if you go perfectly straight), and as soon as you do, Like you said before Dan, The person would explode. Although, my real hypothesis, is that the person would only appear to explode, but instead, the person would break up into tiny bits of material, that would travel through the space and time holes, until it stops moving at the speed of light, in which that current moment, the being would end up in another period of time depending on how fast they went, and how long they went. Either that, or the person would be lost forever, but would be living his/her life in emptyness. That's just a hypothesis, though.

[Physicals r scary]

mass falls until it reaches a certain speed appropiate for mass and then cant accelerate more than the current velocity

[Roll]

Well, I didn't specify a specific weight now did I?

[Physicals r scary]

http://www.gamerz232.org/images/dumbass.jpg

the weight doesnt matter period, a object thats a ton couldnt reach the speed of light falling two thousand miles straight down, it would gain velocity, and then stay at the max velocity when it gets to it

[Dan Hibiki]

physicals, quit making a dumbass out of yourself.

Okay, here is Einstein's theory of Relativity, because nobody seems to know it.

Speed and time are connected. The faster you go, the slower time progresses to an outside observer of you. This means that effectively what is one day to you if you travel near the speed of light is actually 1 year to them, making you effectively travel forward in time, and by the perspective of others not actually travel at the speed of light.

Also connected to this is that the perception of objects is connected with speed. As one goes faster the perception of objects is stretched, making objects appear much longer than they are.

Now can we have a serious debate?

[TarkanX]

It's not possible, I mean it doesn't take long before you have to take a good breather. Imagine traveling at the speed of light. *goes a short distance* *heart attack*

And imagine a test rocket used for training to go in to speed. These things travel so fast they make you dizzy. This is no where near the speed of light. Imagine what would happen if you traveled at the speed of light.... Your brain would melt, your blatter would burn due to oer-calorie burning.

I don't know though. It could happen. Not likely.

[Dan Hibiki]

I just used a person in the example, but let's make it inanimate so that there are no nauseating problems with it. Is it possible for an object to reach the speed to light (other than light itself) by the perspective of an outside observer? Also not taking to account it would explode from the energy absorbed?

[SSJKarma]

i think it will be possible someday near the 5xxx year future ! :lol:

otherwise i think it is simply not possible...

by mantally, i was meaning the miind of an individual can travel at that speed !

[TarkanX]

Well of course you can think of traveling at the speed of light, anyone can.

*thinks of a topic to follow through*

[Dan Hibiki]

:plain: Did anybody read my explanation of Einstein's theory of Relativity, or are you all effectively ignoring me?

Just a question, how fast are gallexies moving appart?

[fear_tetsuo]

Nice topic. I think it might be possible to travel at the speed of light, just as long as we have the technology to do so. It would also depend on if the person could survive the ride at the speed of light. If there was an invention that would prevent you from feeling and being effected from the g-forces of accelerating to the speed of light then I dont see why it wouldnt be impossible. And 2000warrior, our galaxy and another galaxy are traveling towards one another. So in about 3 million years we will be colliding with another galaxy and one of 2 things might happen:1) If we are on the opposite side of the galaxy then we will be thrown into the black emptyness of space 2) if we are on the side of the colliding galaxies then we will be caught into the black hole of the colliding galaxy. Since every galaxy has a black hole, our black hole and the black hole of the colliding galaxy will merge to form an even bigger more destructive black hole and earth will be sucked into it. First the oceans will evaporate into space then wel will burn from the heated gases from around the black hole and eventually get sucked into the black hole. Well I got alittle off track but why not mention it.

[weezer]

einstein?....pfft........


i'm on summer vacation........well anywho....... anything can go at the speed of light but only for a short time......how long does it take for sun rays to reach the earth? i forget.....8 seconds or eight minutes? but things would melt or explode or desinegrate.......its impossible for matter such as these to go at such speed........how fast is the speed of light anywho? 93,000,000 miles a second or something?.......oh well........ when's the next time one of us is gonna be traveling at the speed of light?

[Dan Hibiki]

:plain: Yep, I'm being ignored.

I just realised i didn't log in, but meh....

Ok, here's what i don't get.

Speed = Distance divided by Time, Right?

Therefore how can speed affect time, if speed itsself is a measurment of time? You are changing the very thing it's being measured by.

It's like saying the longer something is, the more an inch is worth.

[skate919]

Since this topic hasn't gone anywhere, I'm gonna say something.

A neutron star weighs 1 billion tons per teaspoon, and is only 10 miles across. A black hole is infinitely more dense. So basically what we are made up of is space and gamma rays can pass right through our bodies and the rest of the earth for that matter, because of our miniscule amount of density compared to other matter. So, that means that basically, we do not exist compared to other matter. This is a fact. I'd like people to discuss this.

Ready?


<span style='font-size:24pt;line-height:100%'>DISCUSS!!!</span>

It may be a miniscule amount, but that dosn't deny us existence. Even if something is infinitely small, it is still there.

[DX Zero]

we are bacterias to the world!! :0 :D

[oO_HoTSauCeOo]

Argh my head....I need tylenol so much calculations...so much to read :(

[fear tetsuo]

we are bacterias to the world!! :0 :D
I wouldnt say we are bacteria, i would say we are more like a virus.I am gonna quote the matrix "We move from one area to another consuming all the natural resouces until there is nothing left."

[fear tetsuo]

Dude you guys think about this, in about 3 million years the earth will most likely be destroyed.

[viper2040]

Fear, i believe the word ur looking for is parasite. Viri (the plural of virus, and also the plural latin word for man :D ) are basically particles which have not been classified as either living or non living. They cannot perform any functions of the living on their own, but arent quite inanimate :p .



[b:post_uid1]BACK ON TOPIC[/b:post_uid1]
I believe that Dan Hibiki is hitting on an interesting point. How can one appear, to observers, to go the speed of light, when the faster he goes, the slower time goes? Most likely the rate at which time slows down is exponential, meaning that the higher the speed, the faster time is slowing down.
So theoretically, time would slow down enough at the speed of light so u would not appear to go the speed of light.


as for you skeptics about this time slowing down thing, Humans are arrogant, and that is why u are baffled. Humans will never be able to understand things, and that is because we are human.


[b:post_uid1]FOR EXAMPLE: say a person can walk 5 mph. a train can go 300 mph. so a person walking on a train would go 305 mph relative to observers. a beam of light travels at 186,000 mps. So, now put a lantern on top of that train. How fast does the beam of light go, relative to observers? NOT 186,000 mps+300 mph, but rather 186,000 mps. time has slowed down.[/b:post_uid1]

[skate919]

It may be a miniscule amount, but that dosn't deny us existence. Even if something is infinitely small, it is still there.
I didn't say it denied our existence. What I DID say, was that we are just matter to other matter. We exist as beings, but your computer in front of you does not exist when you compare it to other matter. It is just space.

[skate919]

Oops sorry. Delete this post please.

[skate919]

Fear, i believe the word ur looking for is parasite. Viri (the plural of virus, and also the plural latin word for man :D ) are basically particles which have not been classified as either living or non living. They cannot perform any functions of the living on their own, but arent quite inanimate :p .



BACK ON TOPIC
I believe that Dan Hibiki is hitting on an interesting point. How can one appear, to observers, to go the speed of light, when the faster he goes, the slower time goes? Most likely the rate at which time slows down is exponential, meaning that the higher the speed, the faster time is slowing down.
So theoretically, time would slow down enough at the speed of light so u would not appear to go the speed of light.


as for you skeptics about this time slowing down thing, Humans are arrogant, and that is why u are baffled. Humans will never be able to understand things, and that is because we are human.


FOR EXAMPLE: say a person can walk 5 mph. a train can go 300 mph. so a person walking on a train would go 305 mph relative to observers. a beam of light travels at 186,000 mps. So, now put a lantern on top of that train. How fast does the beam of light go, relative to observers? NOT 186,000 mps+300 mph, but rather 186,000 mps. time has slowed down.
(sorry for doubling, but)
Silly Viper. The lamp is on top of the train. When we say speed of light, we mean that the light ITSELF is traveling at that speed, the light is not traveling with the train inside the lamp (even though it probably is inside of it for a little bit). The train would not make any difference at all. Besides, usually trains only go 40 miles an hour, not 300. Arrogance has nothing to do with it. It is just that humans sometimes don't have the capacity to comprehend some things. For example: At the center of the universe, there is said to be a black hole containing a neutron star. This used to be what contained all of the universe before the big bang. Another example: Other organisms are oblivious to us because they don't know we exist. What if we are oblivious to some bigger or smaller universe. There could be a tiny universe in your french fry or we could be tiny organisms in another huge realm. What is the universe contained in? These questions we will probably never comprehend in our brief lifetime.

[fear tetsuo]

I dont think there is a black hole at the center of the universe, but I know that there is a black hole in every single galaxy in the universe. And that there is a relationship between the size of the black hole and the size of the galaxy, the bigger the galaxy-the bigger the black hole. There is a black hole in our milky way galaxy that has recently become active again.

[Jhteck29]

Ah, but one must remember that with every black hole, there is a white hole somewhere that expels out whatever it sucks in. So, the question shouldn't be if there is a black hole at the center, but rather, if there is, where would the wormhole connecting it to the white hole expel it? For if it's at the center, it's only possible for it to be connected to a separate universe, in which case, the black hole would only be the center of a universe, not the universe.

[SBYRD5]

SERIOUS TO TRAVEL AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT YOU WOULD NEED A BODY THAT COULD TAKE HIGH LEVELS NEWTON G's. MEANING GRAVITY. SUCH AN ACCLARATION WOULD CAUSE A HUMAN BEING TO DETEARTE. (SO THE FORUMALA FOR MOTION IS MASS TIMES ACCLERATION) ALSO INTERIA WOULD HVE TO BE ON YOUR SIDE. THAT IS A TOUCHING SUBJECT. ;)

[SBYRD5]

OH UNIVERSE MATTERS OK! A SUPER NOVA OFTEN IS THE CAUSE OF BLACK HOLES. THE STAGE BEFORE THE BLACK HOLE IS THE WHITE DRAWF. WHICH HAS AMAZING HIGH GRAVITY.
SCIENTIST GUESS TH SUN WILL INPLODE AN FROM A GAINT BLACK HOLE THAT WILL SUCK IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM. BUT THIS EVENT IS FAR OFF. IN ABOUT 3.4672222......TRILLION YEARS THIS FUTURE WILL BE. BUT BY THEN THE WORLD POPULTION WILL HAVE DIED OUT FROM THE SAME EVENT THAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS ,OR POLUATION ,OR MAYBE THE POEPLE WILL MOVE TO ANOTHER PLANET. THINK ABOUT IT A REAL LIVE STAR TREK. :p

[ZeroEna]

On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p

[SBYRD5]

Well said!! :0 , but sounds like the plot to the movie "THE ONE" ???

[ZeroEna]

It is?????????????? I wouldn't know I've never seen the movie. ??? :(

[SBYRD5]

It is?????????????? I wouldn't know I've never seen the movie. ??? :(
(oh first DxRoll likes you). Anyway the movie "The One" is about Jet Li and his many selfs. The movie said that there is different types of you's and me's. By traveling in the year of 2XX9. We could travel through worm holes in space.(BLACK HOLES) On the other side of these black holes are different worlds just like ours.(Besides you and me looking different like a girl or guy or being gay). The point of the movie was for Jet Li to defeat his doubles to become stronger. The power is divided between each Jet Li. When Jet Li gets to number 128(The Last Double) well there is a big surprise.( CAN'T TELL go rent the movie) :p

[Jhteck29]

Another thing to consider with white/black holes. Now, if the theory is true that light cannot escape the force of a black hole, then it can be said that a white hole is like a lamp, giving off light. But, if this is true, a white hole could be nothing more than a sun, or star, in which we only see as a pinprick of light shooting out of. Which brings an even deeper question: What if our sun is nothing more than a white hole with a spherical exit, and the light and gas being given off is gas and light from another dimension that shines through the sphere as it exits? you may be thinking, and what about the planets revolving around the sun's gravitational pull? how wud this theory fit? Because of the spherical shape of the white hole's exit, when the gases leave the hole at over the speed of light, each makes a "ripple" of force as it leaves, and since it is a sphere, each ripple hits with another, creating a a force that [/U]propels[U] the planets in a continuous, harmonious ellipse. See, a parallel universe could be at the center of our solar system.
(note: i dont believe this theory, but interesting enough....)

[SBYRD5]

You stuttered a little but sounds like inertia in space. :0

[Nantuko Joe]

Jaims, that is an extremely good theory. Scientists already think that Black Holes are "portals" to other dimensions. However, we just "assume" that everything that enters a Black Hole gets crushed to the size of neutrons.

You see, as human beings we live in three dimensions. We live knowing three axes: the X axis, the Y axis, and the Z axis. However, not even our brains can even imagine anything in more than three dimensions. For example, black holes are holes in space. That's like trying to imagine a hole in the air. Could you go on the other side of a black hole? I don't mean go THROUGH it, but I mean go onto the other side of it (like going into space and orbiting around to the other side of the earth). Would it suck you in if you're BEHIND the black hole? Our puny minds can't even comprehend 1% of the unexplained phenomena out there.

For example, let's say you draw a stick figure and assume that it's alive (but only on the paper). That stick figure knows only two dimensions. Now, if we draw a box around that stick figure, it wouldn't be able to escape, because it would be trapped on four sides. It can't comprehend coming up OFF THE PAPER. Therefore, if someone is locked in a room with no exit, no way out, we cannot comprehend what it would be like for a being living in FOUR dimensions to somehow put his hand into the room and take us out.

[Nantuko Joe]

On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.

[SBYRD5]

Joe when not acting like a noob you show a very inpressive side. ;)

[Nantuko Joe]

SBYRD5, that was uncalled for. The only reason you think I act nOObish is because I showed you up in the other topic.

But as far as my impressive side goes, I'm a lot smarter than I let on ;)

[Nantuko Joe]

I just used a person in the example, but let's make it inanimate so that there are no nauseating problems with it. Is it possible for an object to reach the speed to light (other than light itself) by the perspective of an outside observer? Also not taking to account it would explode from the energy absorbed?
Sorry for double-posting.

I think it is possible. I mean, like Dan said, something traveling at the speed of light would absorb unimaginable amounts of joules and explode. However, it is entirely possible to construct a "vehicle" that could actually take the absorbed energy and convert it into "fuel" for it.

But as far as comparing speed-of-light-travel to time travel, it's not entirely possible. For example, beings on Jupiter are just now receiving radio signals sent on earth 50 years ago. Because radio waves travel very slowly as compared to light and sound waves. Therefore, in a way, we can already time travel.

However, now that I am thinking about what I am typing, I am realizing that this pertains little to the topic, so I shall stop typing.....now

[ZeroEna]

On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.
But that's exactly what I said Joe. Let me just put it simply A Black hole in our universe would be a white hole in another universe, likewize a Blackhole in that universe would be a white hole in our universe. But here's something I just thought if this isn't the only universe then hypotheticly speaking would there not be the problem of going to the correct Blackhole? if you go into the wrong one it's all over you'd be lost in and endless search of black holes unless there was a way to tell one black hole from another you see the white hole isn't that important it's mierly an exit it's the entrance the blackhole that counts. why don't we think that over shall we? interesting though huh? :p :D :)

[SBYRD5]

Well, time and space I believe that this generation of humans may not master these theories in our life time but future generations can study our mistakes and successes in problems that are simple in there time.(painting a image in your minds) Soon that generation will eventually put together a puzzle to solve now hard to understand problems to simple mouse mazes in there terms.

Unless another Newton is born we will only understand a small part to our universe. ???

[Nantuko Joe]

On the sibject of Black and White holes So basicly there is or hypotheticly speaking another universe paralel to ours and again hypotheticly Black holes would be the gateway to another dimension in which would be the total opposite of ours like for example other alien life forms would be on Earth and we would be the ones observing it and abducting people for research. So if we were able to survive the straining effects of a black hole and exit out the white hole safely we would be able to meet different intellegent life yet we would be stuck there because white holes only shoot out the exit into the other universe but lets just say there are black holes in that dimesion too so in actuality these extraterestrials could be comeing from a white hole in our universe so basicly these Black and White holes are more like gateways to and from our dimension of course this is only a theory. So.........
WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE THINK? :D :p

Not quite. You see, IF (and that is one big frigging IF) we were able to survive the effects of a black hole, we'd end up in a parallel universe (according to the theory). To get back to our universe, we'd come out a white hole.

It's kinda confusing. Let's say we enter a Black Hole. If we turn around when we exit, it won't be a Black hole, it would be a White Hole. To get back to our universe from the parallel universe, we'd enter what is known as a Black Hole in that universe, and we'd exit into our universe from what is a White Hole in this universe. Therefore, what we know as black holes, beings in a parallel universe would see a white hole. What we percieve as a white hole, a being in a parallel universe would see it as a black hole.
But that's exactly what I said Joe. Let me just put it simply A Black hole in our universe would be a white hole in another universe, likewize a Blackhole in that universe would be a white hole in our universe. But here's something I just thought if this isn't the only universe then hypotheticly speaking would there not be the problem of going to the correct Blackhole? if you go into the wrong one it's all over you'd be lost in and endless search of black holes unless there was a way to tell one black hole from another you see the white hole isn't that important it's mierly an exit it's the entrance the blackhole that counts. why don't we think that over shall we? interesting though huh? :p :D :)
Heh heh...sorry about that. The way it's typed, I thought you meant go thru a Black hole and then re-enter our dimension through what we'd see as a black hole. Nevermind. Sorry for the mixup.

[xXsilverXx]

i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
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[SBYRD5]

i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
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Thats ok read more books an watch less t.v. then you'll understand the problems of today and tomorrow. :D

[ZeroEna]

i don't get anything. my head hurts. u guys r too smart. What r u talkin about?
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Thats ok read more books an watch less t.v. then you'll understand the problems of today and tomorrow. :D
that was cold man. Were talking about the universe now sence none of under stood Dans explination. sorry dan. it's like this what we think. We think that a black hole is like a gateway to another universe like ours with the same people yet different. And white holes are the exits so they don't matter too much. in short Black holes are like gateways to and from universes. Kinda like how Jet Li gets around in "The One".

[SBYRD5]

Yeah sorry Dan....
I get it from Joe....

[natedog]

same here.....u guys r smart
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