Per characters' damaging rate - Is it equal?

[bloodpack]

im just curious...

the basic reason (from what i've observed) why some other players are complaining of how cheap a certain character is bcoz, each playable characters has different damaging percentage...

just a little comment, if tmyapp can make all characters' damaging hits equal, (whether a SUPER hit or just a regular one) then we wouldnt have a problem about cheapness...

also, the game would basically become fair (i think)... ???

[alamgir]

i dont think so, people can still do the same move again and again because thats what cheap means even if it does less damage

[pip99]

1 word ...no

wolve needs power casue he cant shoot.. etc etc..2 many reasons

[da_realX]

i agree

[coolplayer2K2]

so do i darealx

[SSJDan]

i don't think making all the attacks equal in damage would be a good idea. Think about it from this angle, in real life if a 120 pound person gets into a fight with a 220 pound person there's no way there strength will be equal. You might be wondering what im talking about. This is my point normally in fighting games the faster characters are weaker like spiderman
while the slower characters are stronger like zangief

[Nas]

it would be stupid,i mean,it might/would take ages to finish a fight,also it makes it dumb,knowing that that other person has the same strength u have,even if the have no skill

[viper2040]

2 words: WRONG SECTION

this belongs in the "New Features" section--check the sub heading there ("help top shape the game")


and since neither Quass nor Zing79 are doing their job....

~~TOASTY!!~~

[tupac2westsider]

That woulnt solve anything, people will still be complaining.

cause some specials are harder to pull off than others.

Example: Wolvy VS. Ryu
Wolvy will do his special, Ryu will just hadoken him and stop his special. Now Ryu does the special and takes equal amount of damage that wolvy takes. This will be unfair to wolvy because he cant get in close to pull of his special making it impossible for Wolvy to win.

Same goes with other characters.

So that will just strike up more problems, just keep it how it is.

[bloodpack]

actually, my point here...

if spidey has the MOST damaging hit rate, eventually, all players would chose him

for example (just an example, k?)

if my opponent choose spidey, then i choose ryu,
even if i choose ryu, there's nothing i have to worry about if he plays cheap on me bcoz if he use maximum spider on me, i can do the same damage if i use a super hadoken

thus, the game play would be based basically on the individual's game strategy or how GOOD his internet connection is...

[SSJKarma]

bloodpack...
what you don't understand right now, is that they are talking about DIFFERENCES not about the fight itself !

example:
you play SF2... i choose RYU and you choose KEN. why ? the're simply identical ! they have the same specials, they does the same damage by specials ! what's the fun in this ?

now we have diffrent powers in here, all helps making a better strategie for the fight !

like someone said...
spider is fast, wolvie is strong, chunli has the moves !
they all have their WEAKNESS and their strong points, you just gotta learn how to play with them. but people try the charcater and because they lose they say the charcater need to be tweaked ! now, even if you made the charcaters identicals, it wouldn't prevent the users to BASH at tmyapp asking him to tweaks charcaters, why because almost 75% of the actual PLAYERS are STUPID LOSERS that can't take a lose like a man ! all they do is brag about how cheap you are when you defeated them. whatever you do, there will always have players that will brag cause SORE LOSERS exist and will always exists !

again, i doubt making them having the same strenght will reduce anything !
and i don't like the idea either... it's like asking what's the difference between and EGG and an EGG !

[bloodpack]

bloodpack...
what you don't understand right now, is that they are talking about DIFFERENCES not about the fight itself !

example:
you play SF2... i choose RYU and you choose KEN. why ? the're simply identical ! they have the same specials, they does the same damage by specials ! what's the fun in this ?
thats the whole point!
you know what makes a boxing match so exciting?
its not bcoz of the bets the leeches are placing on the fighters, its bcoz both of fighters are on the same category
bantamweight vs bantamweight
heavy weight vs heavy weight
its a fair game and an unpredictable one!

you dont fight someone bigger and stronger than you bcoz you know the outcome

iam not saying you make ryu do xbarrage
or give the sent a web ball nor make ryu jump like spidey
i know every character's differences

what im saying, is make all playable characters have the SAME damaging rate or hits
ryu's hadoken is equals to spidey's maximum spider, etc. both 20 hits (example)

how you win will be based how you strategize
the same as boxing

the whole gameplay would rely on "who gets the first hit"
or how you evade a certain hit
its like both of you are competing for the first kill
thats what im calling "game strategy"

it's like asking what's the difference between and EGG and an EGG !

there are fried eggs and there are hard boiled :biggrin:
same eggs with different approach
the same way how both players will use their chosen character

[SSJKarma]

ok, listen to that one BLOODPACK...

let's say you're playing MvsC2 right now, against me !

only 1 character per team left !
ME = DAN
YOU = RYU

ok, DAN has OTOKO MICHI, i'm losing to you by only 25%, you're at 50% i'm at 25%.
you know that if i do that move and sucessfully grab you with it, you're done for !
and you get grabbed and lose to it !
wikll you say that's because DAN HIBIKI is cheap and that moves unblockable ?

no, you knew i was gonna use it, i knew it was very risky but i tryed anyway !

same goes to this game, if you get hit by those moves, that's either cause of the lag (which is something you should be accustomed and being able to deal with it) or because you don't know how to dodge the move !

the startegies are the very same it doesn't change anything !
and in BOXING it happens to have HEAVY WEIGHT against LIGHT WEIGHT and still have that awsome fight you're asking for !

see my point in saying this is NON-SENSE asking for em to have EXACTLY the same DAMAGE dealt ?

plus, it will rip some characters from their strong side !
EXAMPLE: chunli, she's fast but not suppose to be very strong in OVERALL. that's why she needs to actually keep the KIKOSHO close to her to make him be that strong ! then again, the moves easily avoidable but his very strong ! rip her from that STRONG MOVE, she's done for !

same goes to sentinel, he's very very slow, but still is the strongest of them all, rip him from that STRONG point and he become useless !

those are good example of how those little differences in POWER, SPEED, RESISTENCE, STRENGHT are making the game even STRATEGIERS then what it would be by MAKING everyone the SAME !

again, i'm talking only about DAMAGE not the actual moves of the characters !

[pip99]

i ansered the question in like 3rd post but people keep postin... ???

[ScorpionX]

i ansered the question in like 3rd post but people keep postin... ???
That doesnt mean other people cant express their opinions.Thats what these forums are for.

Anyway back to topic.

The characters are all ready equal because each one has his/her strengths and weaknesses so it basically balances out.

The only characters that I would say might not be equal to the other characters are Onslaught and spiderman, but you have to understand that Onslaught is a secret character and spiderman is new so maybe he'll go through some tweaks(I like the way he is now) and come into balance with the other characters.

[VIRUS]

spiderman is new so maybe he'll go through some tweaks(I like the way he is now) and come into balance with the other characters.
Spiderman should eventually get tweaked (for all those who say he's ok...cant wait to see your face when he's tweaked).

I think the kid makes a valid point....In a way. Karma you keep bringin up the arcade...look buddy if we were in the arcade there would be no lag and specials are usually equal More or less...some doing more damage than others but not incredibly more. The real powerfull supers would be the tandem one's which do make sense to take off more damage. In other games there are the moves that are incredibly hard to pull off and have to be done at the right time, in the right groove, during the fifth moon of the new month, when the planets align....my point being its alot dam harder then just down, foward and two buttons.

Let me paint a picture out for ya:

one on one
Ryu vs. wolv

If i were ryu I would have to do three times the work to finish him off. Combo after combo...hadoukens and shinku hadoukens all over the place but you know what it comes down to....if my opponent get one berserker barage and hit's either because of lag, jump lock, or whatever the case maybe....if im at 60% or below in energy....im dead!....in one move!.. compared to the full onslaught that I had.

Now im not saying I cant beat logan's power but it is pretty damn annoying when I have been throwing out all my offense and my opponent does one move...and defeats me.

I have even blocked some supers done by logan which still take off a considerable amount of damage. Spidey is a main concern b/c he is both quick and incredibly powerfull so it really doesnt take much skill to use him....jus web throw...fill the super bar(which spidey is quick as hell! )...then release the super...rinse, wash then repeat.

You guys can make all your educated guesses as much as you want...bottom line b/c of the quest to find the right opponent for ryu...ryu has become the underdog....hate him all you want...it takes skill to use him against such powerfull oponnents.



Edited By VIRUS on Feb. 03 2003 at 23:56

[SSJKarma]

VIRUS: you got part of an answer here... you seems to based you things on bear opinions which i am taking mines from my computer !

SPIDERMAN: too strong ? he's far from it, i mean that play like hell with him and i'm very good with him too. but never have i sucessfully defeated an opponent in one single blow. either have i seen an opponent killing me with one single move !

EXAMPLE:
does the same as you, but after 5 minutes neither of us has received even one single damage !

i do admit that lag has unconceivable effects sometimes, like that time where the second round just started the person gave me one stupid jump kick and my whole lifebar got sucked out to zero ! but that was a sinple BUG that hapenned to happen at that exact time !

no characters have one hit kill and none of them can do damage over 50% except in TAG-SUPER !
you cannot say this game need to be toned down cause of a stupid bug that hapenned cause of lag. it won't solve the problem and for me (which have always 500-1000 of ping) the game is pretty fine for me. but its thru that LAG did BUG me more then once, but i know it wasn't cause of the characters, it was lag who made the game bug a for a split second !

there is a difference and if tmyapp would give us the STATS of every single character moves, you would all know what i mean because you would see that the oopponent can and will never be able to kill in one single move, unless there is a major bug which still is a bug, not the character strenght !

SPIDERMAN isn't that strong, sometimes i have to pull out 10 times the ULTIMATE STINGS and i am the kind to mix up my moves.
WOLVERINE isn't all that strong either, a BB has never killed me after just one, it takes about 5 on me before i actually die, when you're being hit on your screen, YOU'RE BEING HIT !
same goes for all characters !

AGAIN, NO CHARACTER can do damage over 50% in one super, they even are all under that !

am i the only one that has no problem of lag even tho i have a lot of it ?
i doubt it... most of the users cannot even understand how spiderman is working. i say he's fine that way, but once he'll be toned down, you will brag about how useless he became, but it's actually you asked him to be that way !

you're a RYU USER, i don't like him, i dislike players that only HADOKENS here and there like yourself... do you see me brag about how strong his fusking hadoken comes out too fast one after another ? do you see me brag about how fast his POWER METER climg up fast by doing hadokens ! NO !!! then why are you bragging about a character that for once can rival with the ALMIGHTY shoto ?

spiderman need some tweaks, thats for sure, like all characters, but like onslaught, his DAMAGE are all ok right now. his speed will be diminished a little in the next update, certain actions can no longer be done for flying-like purpose (SPIDER-KICK) but again, all his moves are perfect right now.

it doesn't take skill to master him... sorry but i kick the butt of all NON-MASTERS of SPIDERMAN !
if you just throw WEB-BALLS all the time, i will kick your ass.
if you just web-kick and miss me, i will kick your ass.
if do MAXIMUM SPIDER on me, i will surely kick your ass !
if you do ULTIMATE STING, i will mostly dodge it and kick you ass

spiderman over all others need to have good startegies, why, because he lacks a lot of priorities !
example:
ryu MK vs SPIDEY LP, ryu wins
spiderman has very slow attacks, like normal attacks !
he has to rely on his specials to win cause in a bare hand fights, he will mostly gets beaten, he has to knock the opponent before going up close and then backing up again !

believe me, it takes a lot of skills to master a character !

hard to pull moves ?
i sure don't have trouble since i got my new computer !
let me guess...
you got an old computer like a 500mhz or something...
with an old DIN keyboard (big big round plug)

on that keayboard it is hard as hell to make a moves since it doesn't have that KEY detection like the new ones have !
if you got that computer then i tell you not to say such things about one opponent since i pass thru that stage too i can say that most of what you do is all related to your computer only, not to this game !

anyway... thing are going great right now, and the game is like balanced for me, i play a lot from time to time now, and still i see the difference ! seems there are no problem with the moves, only with the speed !

[Quass]

2 words: WRONG SECTION

this belongs in the "New Features" section--check the sub heading there ("help top shape the game")


and since neither Quass nor Zing79 are doing their job....

~~TOASTY!!~~
hey.. Hey.. HEY!

Only I may "~~TOASTY!!~~".. got it? :)

And this is more just a discussion on things anyways, I think its fine in "General comments and strategies"

[bloodpack]

btw, let me just remind you ppl
this topic is not about cheapness
its a far cry from that issue :biggrin:

another point i want to express...
if tmyapp's gonna put up a sort of protocol
like how much strength, speed, etc. he's gonna put on every character he's making, next time he'll make a character, he doesnt have to guess/decide how much power he's gonna give to the character bcoz, he's following thisprotocol
it would make his job a lot easier (somehow)

for example...

tmyapp: "ok i'm gonna make m.bison, what are his moves?, ok...this and this and this and this....
how much damaging rate im gonna give him...ahhh should be easy...same as the others"

take for example sent and cyke...

i'm sure tmyapp created them with ease (not totally though)bcoz both of them have the same super beams

adding cammy should be easier for him too bcoz we already have spidey as his reference, same moves etc...

again pls, dont think that i'm saying make all characters the same...

i'm only talking about the "damaging rate"
sent's super beam damage is equals to cyke's mega optics (both 20 hits example)
ryu's super hadoken damage is the same to chun li's kikou shou, etc...

***nuff said

[VIRUS]

VIRUS: you got part of an answer here... you seems to based you things on bear opinions which i am taking mines from my computer !
**read your post YOU were talking about the arcade**

SPIDERMAN: too strong ? he's far from it,...
**his supers are quite powerfull if you dont want to admit it then...fine**

either have i seen an opponent killing me with one single move !
**never said one move karma...if im at 50-45% some supers have killed me.....im sure we all remember the nightmare with chun-li**

i do admit that lag has unconceivable effects sometimes
**therefore nothing is etched in stone**



no characters have one hit kill and none of them can do damage over 50% except

**Youre trippin' man do you honestly think I havent been here long enough to know what a bug is, again i said nothing about a one hit K.O.**


SPIDERMAN isn't that strong, sometimes i have to pull out 10 times the ULTIMATE STINGS and i am the kind to mix up my moves.
**same here...its called lag you know the unknown variable in this game. Im talking about when you connect...there is a clear diffrenece between ryu and spiderman (at this point)**

WOLVERINE isn't all that strong either, a BB has never killed me after just one.
** me either...I said one move later which means a game has being going on. It's frustrating to play against lag AND characters who have very damaging supers.**


be toned down, you will brag about how useless he became, but it's actually you asked him to be that way !
**he will be towned down for a good reason just like the rest**

you're a RYU USER, i don't like him, i dislike players that only HADOKENS here and there like yourself... do you see me brag about how strong his fusking hadoken comes out too fast one after another ? do you see me brag about how fast his POWER METER climg up fast by doing hadokens ! NO !!! then why are you bragging about a character that for once can rival with the ALMIGHTY shoto ?

** hehehe.....is that all I do Damn i suck!!. You know you talk alot for a person who never fought me. Hadoukens and shinku are a part of any ryu user...im sure you missed when i said I do alot of combos as well.**

spiderman need some tweaks, thats for sure,

** so why you even arguing? Tweak here, Tweak there...when was the last time ryu was tweaked Ryu users have had to adapt to numerous changes to other characters.**



believe me, it takes a lot of skills to master a character !
**not a debut character!!!...hehehe remember this is a work in progress.**

hard to pull moves ?

in the arcade karma you brought it up earlier i was just saying its much harder in the arcade to pull off combos that do over 40-50% damage**

I have quoted karma and replied using ** these characters**

i sure don't have trouble since i got my new computer !
let me guess...
you got an old computer like a 500mhz or something...
with an old DIN keyboard (big big round plug)


This one is special though...Karma I have a Sony Viao PCV-RX860...look up the spec's cheif.

I'll say it as slow as i can ok...it....has..a...P.....S..../2 port(no..no....no not a playstation 2 karma). Which you in particular can take and shove in place that I think is compatible (A smaller round hole)...hehehe. Do not try to belittle me karma...it's not your thing as we HAVE played this game before.

Stick to the facts now you know my hardware and base your "facts" on that.



Edited By VIRUS on Feb. 04 2003 at 21:27

[bloodpack]

ARRRGHHHH!!!! Karma!
too long for an explanation
i cant follow!!! :biggrin: