People's pov vs my pov - Read it, don't flame !

[SSJKarma]

a lot of people seems to think i never played the games, and that i never really knew what i was talking about while arguing about the different discussion !

but i will just say that my POV (Point Of View) is just different then theirs ! that's normal after all, we all see different things and we don't interpret things all the same ways !

i will give you an example of people's that argu with me statistically...

EXAMPLE:
- in a recent poll, we found out that on 500 different people, 250 of them actually use ryu to play against other players !

YOU STATS people...
- its normal, ryu is a top tier and is actually one of the most balanced characters in game !

MYSELF
- its normal, ryu is the most oved characters for his style of fighting and his good looking posture !

see ?
we don'T see it the same way !
what i'm saying, is that statistics can show everything we want them to show !
they are nothing more then letters and numbers writen in black ink on white paper !
when in front of the controllers, its not your statistics that plays, its you, the human being, behind the gamepad !

what virus as said in the tier discussion, its true !
statistics are nothing, they show what you want them to show, and nothing more then that !

i have played a lot of fighting games with a lot of players, all played differently and having very different skills... only one thing came out of the lot, that was that the human emotions, their feelings toward their upcoming victories, their mistakes during the match, all those makes the winner or the loser. don't tell me that some don't do mistakes during matches, the human being never is perfect and we all do. it can happen that during a match the player was perfect, but never will it happen twice in a row !

as for XMVSF, who seems to think i know nothing and that combos are everything in this game.
let me give you that simple example that proves that combos are bad !

KILLER INSTINCT !
have you ever played that game ? it was one of the first game to actually have a good combo system !
what happenned in the arcades ?
BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, oops it started and nothing can be done to stop him from comboing except a combo breaker !

what i'm saying is that infinites are nothing, if th eopponent always blocks the first few hits ! so why would the combo's be any good if you cannot even start them off ?

anyway... lets not starts any debate in here, it was not the was i meant...

i just wanted to say that regardless of what people think, they all seems to think i'm never knowing what i'm talking about while i actually do... they seems to not listen to me and that's what i'm angry at !

if the mods thinks this has not his place, then just delete it !
i just needed to get this out of my chest !

[bloodpack]

like or not, thats what forums are for...
debate, talk, exchange different POVs, and in this forum (which most of time) bitch... :sarcasm:

[Termin8r]

like or not, thats what forums are for...
debate, talk, exchange different POVs, and in this forum (which most of time) bitch... :sarcasm:
Wtf was that last part for? Totally unecessary... :uhoh:

[imported_p]

like or not, thats what forums are for...
debate, talk, exchange different POVs, and in this forum (which most of time) bitch... :sarcasm:
Wtf was that last part for? Totally unecessary... :uhoh:
wtf? i guess u both are nessary.. :uhoh: =/

[shin~bison]

a lot of people seems to think i never played the games, and that i never really knew what i was talking about while arguing about the different discussion !

but i will just say that my POV (Point Of View) is just different then theirs ! that's normal after all, we all see different things and we don't interpret things all the same ways !

i will give you an example of people's that argu with me statistically...

EXAMPLE:
- in a recent poll, we found out that on 500 different people, 250 of them actually use ryu to play against other players !

YOU STATS people...
- its normal, ryu is a top tier and is actually one of the most balanced characters in game !

MYSELF
- its normal, ryu is the most oved characters for his style of fighting and his good looking posture !

see ?
we don'T see it the same way !
what i'm saying, is that statistics can show everything we want them to show !
they are nothing more then letters and numbers writen in black ink on white paper !
when in front of the controllers, its not your statistics that plays, its you, the human being, behind the gamepad !

what virus as said in the tier discussion, its true !
statistics are nothing, they show what you want them to show, and nothing more then that !

i have played a lot of fighting games with a lot of players, all played differently and having very different skills... only one thing came out of the lot, that was that the human emotions, their feelings toward their upcoming victories, their mistakes during the match, all those makes the winner or the loser. don't tell me that some don't do mistakes during matches, the human being never is perfect and we all do. it can happen that during a match the player was perfect, but never will it happen twice in a row !

as for XMVSF, who seems to think i know nothing and that combos are everything in this game.
let me give you that simple example that proves that combos are bad !

KILLER INSTINCT !
have you ever played that game ? it was one of the first game to actually have a good combo system !
what happenned in the arcades ?
BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, BLOCK, COMBO TRYING, oops it started and nothing can be done to stop him from comboing except a combo breaker !

what i'm saying is that infinites are nothing, if th eopponent always blocks the first few hits ! so why would the combo's be any good if you cannot even start them off ?

anyway... lets not starts any debate in here, it was not the was i meant...

i just wanted to say that regardless of what people think, they all seems to think i'm never knowing what i'm talking about while i actually do... they seems to not listen to me and that's what i'm angry at !

if the mods thinks this has not his place, then just delete it !
i just needed to get this out of my chest !
I understand how you feel man.... And on your pov of ki.. I totally agree. I mean who could forget all the co co co co co combo breaker :biggrin:

[KidKrazyShit]

Is this tier debate really that big of a deal? just wondering.

In my POV, no... it's a real waste of everyone's time. If you really want to keep believing that Ryu sucks, then why the hell should anyone else care? On the exact opposite hand, if you think Ryu is better then any other character... why would anyone else give a damn?

This long ass debate that's been dragging on about tiers is beyond me. I believe they exist, and that's all that matters to me. The hell with what anyone else thinks, I don't care, and they shouldn't care either.

[SSJKarma]

i don't as well 2000 !
KKS, this wasn'T about the tiers in particulars...
it was about all debate i participated in. people like nantuko, TarkanX and some others like that noob XMVSF seems to always think i know nothing and that i'm talking #### because i want to !

its just that, i'm just angry of that YOU KNOW NOTHING thing ! its like they were right whatever others were saying, its like they don't even care, they are debating when in fact they are only saying things and if you're against them, then you're nothing and you know nothing !

its just making me angry when people don't get my points ! its even more frustrating when you try your best to understand them and read carefully their posts and them just ignore it and says you don't know #### !

its simply that, the tiers things i talked about was just an example of what i was talking about !

First off I am not a noob, I am fear_tetsuo. :). And second your post was a waste of time. why do you ask? Because u have just stated that you base all of you knowledge about combo systems and everything that you post off of a game that has NO RELATION to this game at all. Killer instinct wasnt even made by capcom, atleast I dont think so, but even if it was that game is NOTHING like this one. So basically what your telling me is that you are basing all our your "there r no tiers", "combos are bad", "infinites are bad", "hadukens are bad" statements from Killer Instinct? Killer Instinct, a game which is NOTHING like this one. If you are basing all your posts off of killer instinct then you owe everyone an a apology for wasting their time replying to your posts that dont make any sense. Why would you base all your posts from a game that is nothing like this one? Combo's might have been bad in killer nistinct but not is the "vs" series game. Combos are the basis in all the "vs" series games. So I am forced again to ask you, have you ever played any of the "vs" series games? And I know i skip from one thing to another but I dont care, you dont have to read it so dont ####### complain.

[SSJKarma]

listen who ever you are, i don't want to start a debate here, and again you miss understand the whole point of my post !

have you ever tryed to read with your mind more then with your eyes ?

yes i do have played all 4 VS games !

who cares if CAPCOM games have different combo system or not, the basis of a combo system consist of giving multiple hits by "connecting" all of them "one-after-the-other". so no need to know if its diferent or not !

my example is all clean and is reliable and is actually relevant !
if you didn't notice, how many times in any of the VS games have you seen someone starting a combo and doing it till the end when the "very first hit as been blocked" ?

that was my point all along, so what is combo good for, if both of the opponent are always blocking the first few hits !

that point is the basis of the combo system ! that's why INFINITES are good only if the opponent doesn't block anything ! or else infinites would be cheap as well !

EXAMPLE:
the guy does an infinite... you block and cannot do anything else, and since there is block damage, then that means you're doomed ! so what what can you do except letting go the keys and hoping this will end fast so you can start the next round ?

PUSH BLOCKS you say ?
why are they good for ?
how many times have you ever seen that moves being used ?
i saw a lot of tournament FINALS on VIDEO... most of the times, that simple move isn't even used !

so again, have you ever heard of the definition of a combo ?

Ugh....I hate replying to your posts, they keep showing how retarded and how little you really know. One, when in my post did I ever mention push blocks? Why are they good? Because after you push block you get a few frames of invinsibility which you can use to do a super. The most well known example of this is in mvc2: say cable push block sentinels hyper sentinel force, about half way through sentines super move cable can push block and basically have his super go through sentinels. Push blocks can be used to give you extra time/actions that your opponent cant. WOW, you are right, what good are push blocks? Once again please read and become informed about the issues you post so you once again dont sound stupid. "if you didn't notice, how many times in any of the VS games have you seen someone starting a combo and doing it till the end when the "very first hit as been blocked" ?" ARGH!!!!!!!!!!! this statement really pisses me off because it is full of retarded remarks that prove that you are stupid. I dont know why but everything about that statement pisses me off. How many time have i seen a combo start and finish??? EVERYTIME I PLAY THE GAME OR WATCH SOMEONE ELSE PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!!!! Some combos are short and some are long, but I always see people doing them!!! Jeses christ you have really pissed me off with your stupidity. Whats the point of doing combos if they are blocked??? GOD DAMN YOU ARE STUPID!!!! YOU OBVIOUSLY LACK ALL BASIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE "VS" SERIES GAMES. THE WHOLE GOD DAMN POINT OF COMBOS IS TO CREATE OPENINGS!!!!!!! CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO COMBOS YOU MORON!!!!!! ie: if someone is blocking low then jump in and kick high and do the combo of your choice since you have connected 1 hit and can now do a series of hits which is called a combo. HONESTLY, ARE YOU THAT STUPID THAT YOU CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE OPENINGS TO DO COMBOS? ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!! "the guy does an infinite... you block and cannot do anything else, and since there is block damage, then that means you're doomed ! so what what can you do except letting go the keys and hoping this will end fast so you can start the next round ?" What you have just said does not make sense at all!!!!!!!!! So what you are telling me that there are blocking infinites? That even if a infinite is blocked you still cant do anything and will die because of block damage? You cannot die from blocking an infinite, it cannot be done!!!!!!!!! I know alot about these game so I know that it cannot be done so dont try and prove me otherwise. You see I know what I am talking about because i play these games alot and know alot about them, I travel to play ppl in these games so I can speak from experience. You say you have played all 4 games? How long have you played them? How many times have you played each game? Clearly not much, mabye once or twice per game(with the exception of this online game). seriously go and play or read about these types of games. Everytime you post you prove that you a a moron who is speaking through experience from a different game(killer instinct) and try to use it in here. You cannot win this argument karma because i know what i am talking about.

[SSJKarma]

come stupid, you're telling me that it takes weeks to understand a game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come on, a fighting game is leanred in about 2 or 3 days and that's all ! and if i never knew what i was talking about, then you are clearly stating that GAMEFAQS.COM don't know #### about those ####### VS games ?

i know exactly what can be done and if you think you can win this cause you have been playing for the last 10 years to those fighting games then you are even more retarded then i thought !

creating opportunities you say... how can you creat what cannot be created !
you can't create opportunities in a fighting game, its all about mistakes done by a player or the other !

i'm crouching, so you jump kick me ?
really, how pathetic is that, i will stand up and have time to do so !

PUSH BLOCKS is ideal against a super ?
you sure we played the same game ?
cause if i remember last time i played MvsC2 on my DC, i wasn't invincible during GAMBIT'S ROYAL FLUSH and i still got hit by the remaining cards ! why ? because push blocks are nothing then a simple push to throw your opponent away to stop him from hitting you, never have it made you invincible during it ! at least not on DC and i know what it is cause i use it everytimes i'm in a corner and i really really tryed to use during supers cause i really thought it could help !

you think you're better then me in the VS series ?
let me laugh, i'm sure i can kick your sorry ass anytimes !

now, this topic wasn't meant to be a debate so i'll close the damn thing off before mister i know everything and you don't decides to tell me AGAIN that i don't know #### and that a fighting games takes years of training to master !

have the worst day of them all you loser !
to the rest, thanks for not flaming like that moron !

[viper2040]

Both of you have valid points (I really dont know THAT much about this indepth stuff; im an old school junkie)..however, that does NOT give you the right to flame.

Karma, I respect you, but I have to say I am disappointed that you would respond like you did. Under NO circumstances is ANYONE to flame. It may have been in response to xmvst, but that does not excuse you.

And as for you, Xmvst, if I see you flaming like that again, I will make SURE you get banned. I do not care how much you know about the subject, this forum is not to be a place where others are put down. If you disagree with his point of view, you can say so civilly.