View Full Version : Apocalypse vs onslaught - Now debate this... !
mastaq
10-16-2002, 02:26 PM
This would be the best fight ever.. Now debate your thoughts!! :D
princevegetam
10-16-2002, 02:36 PM
go look up the statistics from marvel.com, there's no need to debate over this.
mastaq
10-16-2002, 02:47 PM
go look up the statistics from marvel.com, there's no need to debate over this.
Good point... Onslaught wins.. haha
DX Zero
10-16-2002, 03:24 PM
but apocalypse can drill u twice and ur dead ..
sk8erfox805
10-16-2002, 05:25 PM
wut are u talking about?
mario bros could kill apocalypse and ounlought together lol :D
SolidSnake76
10-16-2002, 05:45 PM
wut are u talking about?
mario bros could kill apocalypse and ounlought together lol :D
um................................................ ......................sure.
apocalpyse vs onslaught.
now this is hard to tell. must do deep reserching..........
PARADISE-X
10-16-2002, 06:04 PM
Abyss can kick there asses any time
SSJKarma
10-16-2002, 06:29 PM
ok, let me tell you this...
even if on WWW.MARVEL.COM the statistic are way higher.
you have to check on their mutant power and history to actually know what the mutant is all about !
now the fight would be a very good one, but in the end APOCALYPSE would win at ease !
why ?
- onslaught is TOUCHABLE and not immortal
- onslaught couldn't do a single damage to apocalypse
- onslaught couldn't attack him by his mind... apocalyspe win the MIND fight !
- onslaught can't control apocalypse cause he isn't made of metal ! and even if he can control it, apocalypse can just change the part to something else !
for all those reasons, onslaught can't win this battle !
would be a very great fight thou !
princevegetam
10-16-2002, 07:08 PM
no one said onslaught was untouchable or immortal. and why couldn't apocalypse be attacked through his mind? and who said you had to control apocalypse's body parts? just send an enormous pile of metal towards apocalypse or get a nuke to kill the guy.
SolidSnake76
10-16-2002, 07:11 PM
i dont think a pile of metal or a nuke would help, he would easliy destroy that nuke.
Tidus2K2
10-16-2002, 07:14 PM
Apocalypse would win reason all he'd have to do is kill xavier. Onslaught can't surivive without him.
DX Zero
10-16-2002, 07:16 PM
apoc is indestructable (sp?) he can only be sent to different dimensions or gets trap i think..
ApOcAlYp$e
10-16-2002, 07:22 PM
Hey really i think i would win joken :D
Apocalypse will win fighting Onslaught why? u ask cause hes a Mutant warlord and not only that he Apocalypse possesses extraordinary strength. Also, he can alter his body's atomic structure at will, levitate himself telekinetically, survive for weeks without food and water, and recover rapidly from injuries that would prove fatal to most mutants and humans. His physical form eventually grows too aged and enfeebled to contain his vast energies, requiring him to transfer his consciousness into a succession of host bodies.
mastaq
10-16-2002, 08:21 PM
Apoc you copied that off marvel.com... :plain:
Tantum
10-17-2002, 08:53 AM
yeah, if you actually wen't to marvel.com and read all the x-men bios... it sounded like X-Man, Chamber, and Apoc are the most powerful.
Morph is in actuality the strongest mutant, he can copy anyone's form, and powers... so he can just beat someone by morphing into someone who has their number :biggrin: example: if he was fighting colossus, he could turn into onslaught, and totally own him.
ApOcAlYp$e
10-17-2002, 12:13 PM
Apoc you copied that off marvel.com... :plain:
:D
sk8erfox805
10-17-2002, 12:13 PM
copying and pasting .. hahah thats funny :laugh:
out of wat i've seen i think apocalypse would win...but the joly green giant could kill both of them :)
Ludacris
10-17-2002, 01:05 PM
apoc is indestructable (sp?) he can only be sent to different dimensions or gets trap i think..
yeah Apocalypse is immortal........Onslaught is not......so technically Apocalypse would win the fight but I like Apocalypse better......
princevegetam
10-17-2002, 01:34 PM
i don't know where you get that, but apocalypse is NOT immortal. maybe in the show, but in the original official marvel comics he is NOT. and how would apocalypse be able to kill xavier? xavier IS onslaught. and so IS magneto. and here is onslaught's powers:
Onslaught possessed the combined mutant abilities of progenitors Professor X and Magneto. He could induce illusions, temporary mental or physical paralysis, loss of specific memories, or total amnesia; project mind-numbing mental bolts; and sense the presence of mutants within a small radius. Also, Onslaught was able to shape and manipulate magnetic fields, both natural and artificial. Using his powers to augment his strength, he could lift up to 100 tons. Other abilities included telekinesis and astral projection.
and if you look at marvel.com, it says onslaught is faster and smarter than apocalypse, so there.
TarkanX
10-17-2002, 02:56 PM
Let's see... it took almost every Marvel character to beat Onslaught, almost every Marvel characters, not including Apocolypse, and the cosmic warriors, and the people from other planets, only earth.
Though Apocolypse doesn't feel pain, the only person that was destined to beat him was Cable(not his form you see in MvC2). Cable(true form)'s power should be enough to take down Apocolypse. Besides, Onslaughts true form is only 3 stories tall.
Anyways, all I know is Thanos + infinity gauntlet with all 6 rings = Overkill(infinity times over).
princevegetam
10-17-2002, 03:34 PM
okay... so who are you saying would win?
mastaq
10-17-2002, 03:44 PM
Arch Angel tryed to kill Apoc but couldnt...
SSJKarma
10-17-2002, 09:36 PM
ok, first apocalypse isn't touchable by mind control or any other mind things as he is the most powerfull DEFENSIVE PSYCHIC around and not even onslaught could do a #### about that !
APOC isn't psychic in the same way as the other but his mind is in constant MIND protection even XAVIER almost got kill by trying to get into that mind ! so why would onslaught be more capable of it !
i admit, it took very much everyone to take down onslaught. but still it took pretty much everyone to take down apocalypse too ! and the only thing that can kill APOCALYPSE, is his aging problem !
i know 3 person that could take down both of them !
go read about...
THE WATCHER (in silver surfer)
THE PLANET EATER (in silver surfer) i think he's called galactus ! i have to go and see him again !
and the SILVER SURFER himself !
those 3 in STATISTICS can virtually kill both of them !
the planet eater can just take the earth in one hand !
what makes you think onslaught or apocalypse would survie him !
DX Zero
10-17-2002, 09:48 PM
i thought silver surfer was just a d00d that shoot beams like iceman lol i didnt know he was that strong :0
QUIET_KILLER
10-17-2002, 10:39 PM
:withstupid: I knew he was powerfull but wow thats some power he has then :biggrin: Wow I never knew then in that comic of webcrawler then when the symbiote took over his body.Oucho :vampv:
akuma_forever
10-18-2002, 05:41 AM
well if you go to gamegen.com and read onslaugts profile you will find something that says "onslaught terrorized the world in a way apocalyspe hasnt even" so it would be close but apocaplyspe should win...
DarkstriderX
10-18-2002, 07:44 AM
people apocalypse is immortal he cant be killed by onslaught, therefore he is the victor hands down. But Onslaught would put up a great fight, just before he gets his head smashed in.
lol ???
SSJKarma
10-18-2002, 10:46 AM
my point exactly !
APOCALYPSE is the biggest bad guy in this !
onslaught is nothing compared to him !
anyway, you shouldn't include GAMEGEN has your source for this !
from what it says at marvel.com if apocalypse was stopped from transfering his consciousness into another body he could be beaten.
also according to marvel.com onslaught has better stats
princevegetam
10-18-2002, 01:18 PM
ok, first apocalypse isn't touchable by mind control or any other mind things as he is the most powerfull DEFENSIVE PSYCHIC around and not even onslaught could do a #### about that !
APOC isn't psychic in the same way as the other but his mind is in constant MIND protection even XAVIER almost got kill by trying to get into that mind ! so why would onslaught be more capable of it !
i admit, it took very much everyone to take down onslaught. but still it took pretty much everyone to take down apocalypse too ! and the only thing that can kill APOCALYPSE, is his aging problem !
i know 3 person that could take down both of them !
go read about...
THE WATCHER (in silver surfer)
THE PLANET EATER (in silver surfer) i think he's called galactus ! i have to go and see him again !
and the SILVER SURFER himself !
those 3 in STATISTICS can virtually kill both of them !
the planet eater can just take the earth in one hand !
what makes you think onslaught or apocalypse would survie him !
THIS IS ABOUT APOCALYPSE and ONSLAUGHT!!!
and no fools, apocalypse is NOT immortal. let me say that again, apocalypse is NOT immortal. and where did you get that info that apocalypse is the most powerful defensive psychic around? onslaught steals the bodies of mutants. he can just steal apocalypse's body.
SSJKarma
10-18-2002, 09:33 PM
first: i know it's about onslaught and apocalypse and that is why i am talking about them !
second: yes apocalypse cannot be touched by mind !
proof: in one of the episodes, xavier came to see a friend of his. when he didn't meet his friend he knew there was something wrong and scanned the entire base ! but apocalypse came in the way and charles got an hell of a headaches when he came in contact with apocalypse mind !
no nah, niot even XAVIER (THE most powerfull PSYCHIC mutant on earth) cannot touch apocalypse by mind ! JEAN tryed and got knocked out unconsious in trying ! now try and tell i am wrong ! plus, it is writen somewhere in APOCALYPSE sheet on www.marvel.com.
third: yes he is immortal ! that is writen black on white on www.marvel.com ! i mean PHYSICALY immortal as his only weak point his the AGING attribute that makes him live something like 50 years and then he need to change body to a younger one ! except that, he is immortal !
that weakpoint didn't even phase him ! as he has more than 5000 years of living ! the XMEN have traced him until 5000 years ago but then lost any trace of apocalypse... they think he was alive way before that !
now stop saying FOOL as i AM NOT THAT AND NO ONE IS !
dexterslab69
10-18-2002, 09:41 PM
Onslaught would win because apacolips is easier to beat in the arcades..........like X-men vs. street fighter...............in Marvel vs. Capcom............Onslaught is wwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stonger and is harder to beat! ??? So my money would go with Onslaught :D
also it says at marvel.com that apocalypse unleashed a techno-organic virus on nathan summers because he new that nathan summers would be able to beat him, so that means that he isnt invincible
DX Zero
10-19-2002, 11:09 AM
isnt that cable?.........
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 11:17 AM
no where on marvel.com does it say apocalys is immortal. and if he was defeated by cable, the how could he possibly be immortal?
and if you were to read all of apocalypse's profile. you would know that jean did manage to attack apocalypse's mind and bring back cyclops.
and onslaught's telepathic abilities are stronger than xavier! go look at the power grid at marvel.com. his intelligence is greater cause it is enhanced by the powers of franklin richards. franklin richards' mental powers are so powerful that he can create altnerate universes!
TMyApp
10-19-2002, 01:37 PM
hmmm.... it be one hell of a fight... dats for sure :biggrin:
but the only place we'd be able to see/experience it is in this game (when Apoc is added as a boss/playable-char)...
who would win ?? good q... but i WOULD spend quite a bit of time tweaking both of them to make sure that it would be fair/close fight :biggrin:
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 01:50 PM
yes, you would need to tweak apocalypse ALOT to make sure he was nearly as powerful as onslaught.
SSJKarma
10-19-2002, 04:08 PM
he didn't need to do that much tweaking as his DRILL SUPER takes about 1/2 life of your bar and that is if you block it !
it's an instant kill if it connect !
second, apocalypse is immortal, it is written in the file... HE LIVED MORE THAN 5000 YEARS !
did you ever saw CABLE beat apocalypse ? i never saw him do ! so until that CABLE does kill him... i consider that no one ever, will be able to kill him !
next... give me the full detail of that thing with apocalypse mind and jean as i never saw it ! i have heard of it thoo !
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 04:19 PM
so? just cause he lives long doesn't mean he's immortal. immortal means you can't die. living that long doesn't mean you can't be destroyed! i mean, it also says that he can surivive weeks without water, food and oxygen. so that means he can die if he goes for months without oxygen, food and oxygen.
and no, i did not see cable defeat apocalypse, but it is all written clear on his profile on marvel.com! if you would just take the time to read apocalypse's profile. and ask anyone! it all happened in the marvel comics. it is what has OFFICIALLY happened.
DX Zero
10-19-2002, 04:50 PM
*cough* oh can onslaught also survive for weeks without food? ???
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 04:55 PM
hmm... doesn't say, but i don't think he needs food/water/oxygen at all. he's not human or mutant. he's more like a pisonic entity.
XtremetheZealot
10-19-2002, 05:38 PM
Aright, this is the way I see it.
Apocalypse knew that when Cable grows up, he will be able to defeat him (which is why he sent the virus). From that, we know that Apocalypse CAN BE KILLLED, one way, or another.
Oh yeah, Xavier is not the most powerful psychic on earth X-man is!!
I mean, for Apocalypse to absorb X-man, he had to channel the powers of Cyclops, Phoenix, Cable, Professor X, Storm, Iceman, Magneto, Polaris, Bishop, Sunfire, the Living Monolith and Mikhail Rasputin into him.
On the power grid thing at marvel.com, Onslaught beats him in every category (or most of them, at least).
Onslaught looks hella cooler, and I always hated Apocalypse. His face looks so retarded.
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 06:01 PM
damn right
DX Zero
10-19-2002, 06:10 PM
lol well apocalypse can change his size, and use other peoples powers
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 06:56 PM
like onslaught can't do that
DX Zero
10-19-2002, 08:22 PM
apocalypse is bigger. :biggrin:
SSJKarma
10-19-2002, 08:59 PM
if i follow your reasoning, then because he can be killed (virtually as it has never HAPENNED) that means ONSLAUGHT is better than him... i more than know that you say so only because you love him better than apocalypse !
it has taken more than one person to beat apocalypse and yet they haven't even killed him yet as they never harmed him !
onslaught on the other hand had more than one person on him, and they defeated him after a while ! i say, if onslaught would have been better than apoc. then he wouldn't have been killed at all !
that is the real deal don't you think !
as for the statistics on marvel.com !
they don't say it all you know !
i mean, don't just look at the STRENGHT and compare as it doesn't include the mutant powers at all !
and no one has even been near apocalypse as apocalypse has an overall of 7 or 8 and ALL the other have about 5 or 6 as an overall !
mastaq
10-20-2002, 12:27 AM
hmmm.... it be one hell of a fight... dats for sure :biggrin:
but the only place we'd be able to see/experience it is in this game (when Apoc is added as a boss/playable-char)...
who would win ?? good q... but i WOULD spend quite a bit of time tweaking both of them to make sure that it would be fair/close fight :biggrin:
So this debate, can be PROVEN... :biggrin:
princevegetam
10-20-2002, 05:43 AM
if i follow your reasoning, then because he can be killed (virtually as it has never HAPENNED) that means ONSLAUGHT is better than him... i more than know that you say so only because you love him better than apocalypse !
uhh.. excuse me, but why are you accusing me of being opininated? to tell you the truth, i actually like apocalypse better. cause he looks more "god like". but i think it is YOU who like apocalypse better cause you hardly know onslaught. and now you are accusing me of being opininated while up to now i've been using pure facts to back my arguements.
onslaught faced up to the might of all the heroes in the marvel universe(avengers, fantastic 4, etc). while apocalypse was only defeated by cable and the x-men. apocalypse never caused THAT much of a trouble to invovle all the heroes in the marvel universe.
and from the bio's i've read so far at marvel.com the only immortal is mr sinister
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