Amazing how smart...

[Tidus2K2]

It's amazing to see how smart some of the users of the game are. I was on the game today just fighting fights talking in the chat. I went into a 2 on 2 fight and my partner was a user named Dark-Invader. Now after the fight finishes I just made the remark of my slow comp compared to our opponents possible fast computers. Now Dark has the nerve to say that it's all skill in this game and that computer speed and connections have absoloutely nothing to do with the game. Now I've been here for a while so I tryed to educate him in the fields of SFO and what it takes to have a decent fight. First he says I have no skill :confused: then he asks me how long i've been here for and tries to act like he's one of the biggest names in SFO. It doesn't really bother me about the fact that he said I have no skill because it's so typicla of a new user to say that. What bothers me is that he actualy said it's skill that matters. Now to eliminate posts and topic such as mine I would like a mod to post a explanatio nof lag and what decides the outcome of matches 60% of the time and what e fects matches the most.

One of you mods might say that this is a replica of other topics, so i norder to eliminate these topics plz make a thread that would explain the above stated problems. That would really make some of our new users of SFO to be smarter and act normal on the game.

[dominicankid098]

Really, you don't need much skill in this game just because everyone always does the same moves over and over. but if you want to be a *great* fighter and show everyone a *great fight* then you must have some knowledge of lag.

One thing is predicting of where your oponent is on your screen. Sometimes it shows that your oponent is on the other side of the screen, then when you shoot a super he is right in back of you. Most times I predict that he will be in back of me just because of the feel that I am getting in the game, the feel of lag. So let say if I was using ryu I could shoot a shinkuu, but sometimes they end up right in back of you. Sometimes I would predict that is coming so I just go for the roundhouse instead of the shinkuu. LOL Trust me, I think this way all the time. And it works!! LOL Having some knowledge on the game lag is useful.

[Angel-Eyes]

It's amazing to see how smart some of the users of the game are. I was on the game today just fighting fights talking in the chat. I went into a 2 on 2 fight and my partner was a user named Dark-Invader. Now after the fight finishes I just made the remark of my slow comp compared to our opponents possible fast computers. Now Dark has the nerve to say that it's all skill in this game and that computer speed and connections have absoloutely nothing to do with the game. Now I've been here for a while so I tryed to educate him in the fields of SFO and what it takes to have a decent fight. First he says I have no skill :confused: then he asks me how long i've been here for and tries to act like he's one of the biggest names in SFO. It doesn't really bother me about the fact that he said I have no skill because it's so typicla of a new user to say that. What bothers me is that he actualy said it's skill that matters. Now to eliminate posts and topic such as mine I would like a mod to post a explanatio nof lag and what decides the outcome of matches 60% of the time and what e fects matches the most.

One of you mods might say that this is a replica of other topics, so i norder to eliminate these topics plz make a thread that would explain the above stated problems. That would really make some of our new users of SFO to be smarter and act normal on the game.
I totally agree

[Bob~Marley4004]

I would like a mod to post a explanatio nof lag
Well, you don't certainly need a Mod to post the explanatio nof lag.. you can just click here (http://www.vgmfusion.com/senshuk/home/articles/2warticle1.html) and see the whole explanatio nof lag written by 2kwarrior :biggrin:

[limbei]

lol yeah what u said makes sense..
but i believe still a certain level of skill is needed....
:music:

[pip99]

yeah i get you......


this game is about.....70 percent skiLL 30 percent lag.

[Virtual Fighter]

more like 50% skill, 25% lag, and 25% bugs/cheats.

that last part isnt applicable to most people.

[SSJKarma]

actually.. without skill you cannot go on in this game... a man doing hadokens all the time is as easy as saying 123 cause it doesn't take much to understand how to jump block thru his projectiles !

Basically, skills means to be able to react to certain situations witht he right thing, so ya gotta know every moves and how you can put them to work. even if there is lag in this game which is in all games. skills is still the most important part of the gameing factor !

you might say lag is 70% of the game, well you are wrong, lag is now only a mere 15% while skills is something like 80% and the rest is up to luck versus error ratio !

usually you try things and hope it works, sometimes it does other times it doesn't... that is the luck/error ratio i was talking about. the rest is up to your skill and how strategic you think and react to the di ferent events !

at least that's how i see it !

[SSJDan]

I would like a mod to post a explanatio nof lag
Well, you don't certainly need a Mod to post the explanatio nof lag.. you can just click here (http://www.vgmfusion.com/senshuk/home/articles/2warticle1.html) and see the whole explanatio nof lag written by 2kwarrior :biggrin:
i find it hard to believe that a ####ie will find that site on his own. if i understand tidus correctly what i think he wants is a mod/admin to create a explanation topic and make it a sticky topic so it always stays at the top of the threads list.

[TarkanX]

How do you guys find these percentages?

[pip99]

Nah VF 25percent bugs thats utter rubbish you havent played a 10th of the games IF THAT that ive played of sfo.

1on1 Id say if youve pretty much mastered Ryu........

its roughly about 70 percent skilll...and 30 percent lag.

lag is now only a mere 15% while skills is something like 80% and the rest is up to luck versus error ratio !


Yeah i used to think it was like 80% skill 20 percent lag....but ive had so many fights...im stickin with 70-30 ratio.

[iTALY]

replace skill with luck.

Its all luck.

Knowing the moves is not called skill. Skill = combos.

[Tidus2K2]

Good question Tark. I believe most people come up with these numbers by there experiance. What I'm trying to explain is lets just say everyone in general, because I know for a fact no 2 users will ever have a fight where they can both agree that it was fair and that the match went their way and that they lost because of their own mistakes. Karma what you said make's a lot of sense but you have to test out what i have done to know how to play properly. Allow me to explain.

FIGHT 1-USER 1 vs USER 2
User one has a brand new top of the line system or close to it. Where his or her fps is 40.3333 everytime never lower.

User 2 has a dino age computer it's components about 800 mhz - 64mb - and 20 Gig hard drive. On average this users fps is between 15 and 20.

Now i've tested this and this is what user 1 see's most of the time. They see their opponent just standing there doing nothing but a noccasional jump or hadouken, so user 1 automatically will assume that user 2 has no skill how to play and will call user 2 a #### ifuser 2 says one thing about the match.

User 2 will usually see user 1 moving like a bullet and he will be doing everything in his power i norder to win the match. but in the end nothing works because his system just can't keep up with his or her opponents system.

Do not try to prove me wrong because I have tested this scenario about a 100 times now. Just the other day i tested it with bloodterrorX. I asked him if i was moving at all on his screen and he told me that I wasn't doing jack except for a noccasional punch.

Now i'll admit that you have to know how to play i norder to win a fight, but whats the use when your system can't even match your opponents system.

Here is the deal if you have a fast comp there is only 1 downfall you won't be able to block as often. My theory since the game is so fast for you the game will automatically think that you've already gotten hit by the special so your character becomes a zombie and takes the hit. Vipa can relate and so can I. Although having a slower computer gives you the advantage of blocking but destroys the main aspect of the game which is to deal damage.

My argument here is not to tell people that lag is the main problem in the game, maybe it was, my experiance with my new comp, I can't even feel the lag, rarely do I ever say "ohh man why can't i hurt him". What i'm trying to tell people is to stop calling the new users of the community ####s just because you whoop there ass like mad. Wen in reality your opponent has a computer from the cipher era.

So to end my argument I would just like people to stop abusing the new users and to give a new meaning to the word "N00B" because quite frankly I've heard enough of people calling each other N00BS when they don't know why there opponent lost.

A good example would be my roommate, he faced of against 1 of the users of the community on my old system and he was like wtf but when we asked the user how strong his system is the user simply replied by saying "to strong".

SKILL vs LAG

I don't have much to say here except lag has no meaning against skill it's your system, you got a slow system, you can be the best fighter in the whole world but, you can still be beat by a user who just started playing online but has a considerable amount of knownledge of the game.

Ok i've writte nenough, I wonder how many people will actually read this.

[color=#000000]off topic: Wow... u still post here Tidus? I'm impressed... *adds a point to overall forum intelligence level*

Forget what you hear on the streets.. the only way to play this game is to pick sp

[KidKrazyShit]

Gotta go w/ 2k on this one. Every other character besides Spider-Man(including ERyu IMO) is obsolete if Spider-Man is being used w/ some decent w/ him.

Kinda sucks, but nothing you can really do about it but do your best.

[Tidus2K2]

[color=#000000]2k-Lol i'm back with a mission- (I hate spidey, eryu and eakuma) I have to agree with you, spidey is by far the cheapest character and used by most of the community. I can't have another explanation of a character because first it was cyc|ops now it is spidey, if it was up to me I would take spidey out and impliment a different character other than sp

[Hadokenman]

[color=#0000FF]I agree, but most of the time i can predict what sp

[DA_VIPA]

[color=#000000]i can handle a spidey with ryu but its just takes forever since the ass that uses em creates so much lag doin friggin kick all..i really wud like to c 2 things GONE from this game :
1: sp

[~Mastermax~]

damn spidey haters, you guys don't kno how easy it is too kill him...

[mastaq]

damn spidey haters, you guys don't kno how easy it is too kill him...
WEB BALL!! WEB BALL!! WEB BALL!!


:biggrin:

[VampireNinja]

WEB BALL!! WEB BALL!! WEB STING!!

(repeat until necessary)

:blues:

[Virtual Fighter]

Nah VF 25percent bugs thats utter rubbish you havent played a 10th of the games IF THAT that ive played of sfo.
and that says something about me, or you? :biggrin:

i actually changed my stance on the subject:

its all different for different people, but mostly, the game is a combination of skill, computer/internet, and how to use things to your advantage, meaning lag, bugs, or opponents weakness, and this is also concidered a skill.

or if you're like some people..

WEB BALL! WEB BALL! WEB BALL! MAXIMUM SPIDER!


:dontgetit:

[pip99]

[color=#000000]Tidus i read ALL of your post but and i agree with it all apart from

Here is the deal if you have a fast comp there is only 1 downfall you won't be able to block as often. My theory since the game is so fast for you the game will automatically think that you've already gotten hit by the special so your character becomes a zombie and takes the hit. Vipa can relate and so can I. Although having a slower computer gives you the advantage of blocking but destroys the main aspect of the game which is to deal damage.


I have a fast PC... im SO used to playing on a fast PC. And one of the reasons why most people i play i dont even have to play propely to beat them is because i can block so easily BECAUSE my fps is 40, and i can deal loads of damage as on my screen ive NEVER laggy.That meanin my Charecter never slows down,

Ive played on 56k that had a fps of 7 and that really sucked.... i found that i coudnt block whatsoever.

On the other hand my mate shef...had 56k but his PC was poop hot and he was gettin a fps of 37 and an fps of 37 on 56k ment i was dealing poop loads of damage and i could block. And i was a laggy mofo. I only hosted that night and i only used Ryu i won atleast 20 gamees and case joined my game and with that 56k with a fps he was even a challenge.


What im sayin is....if you have a high fps you can deal damage and block, how laggy you are depends on your connection.


And towards sp

[Tidus2K2]

I don't call predicting lagg a skill I simply call it awareness. Knowing when lagg will hit you is just another sense for all the veterans of the game. Please don't call that skill because a proper skill in the game would be to evade attacks and deal damage while doing it. You guys know what i mean. but if you must call predicting lag a skill call it an improper skill and not a game skill.

And pip if your comp work so nice why don't you take rank 1 and show the new users of SFO that vets still run this place, i mean if i had a comp that worked nice with the game I would take rank 1 until i can't play no more, that would rpolly be a couple weeks but seems you got time so why don't you take rank 1.



Edited By Tidus2K2 on 1094157222

[pip99]

i was rank 2 for like a week constant.......but " air-warriors" was giving himself free wins.......and he woudnt fight me.

Current rank 1 is giving himself free wins....its cougar17 hes actually a really Poor fighter.

Its a shame.....and i been busy.

vets own the tourneys though....

[coolplayer2K2]

Really, you don't need much skill in this game just because everyone always does the same moves over and over. but if you want to be a *great* fighter and show everyone a *great fight* then you must have some knowledge of lag.

One thing is predicting of where your oponent is on your screen. Sometimes it shows that your oponent is on the other side of the screen, then when you shoot a super he is right in back of you. Most times I predict that he will be in back of me just because of the feel that I am getting in the game, the feel of lag. So let say if I was using ryu I could shoot a shinkuu, but sometimes they end up right in back of you. Sometimes I would predict that is coming so I just go for the roundhouse instead of the shinkuu. LOL Trust me, I think this way all the time. And it works!! LOL Having some knowledge on the game lag is useful.
i totally agree with u. u got to get to the head of the user. like when shud i super jump cause he is gonna do a special attack and u super jump rite when he does it.so ya like lancer said u gotta think like theres no lag and the person is unseeable.