Helpers - The Unfair Advantage...

[Selvin]

Question. How many of you are in a close game that you will most likely win and BOOM. The opponent uses 5 Psylockes on you? Okay how about when somebody does a Berseker Barrage X on you and Psylocke to take away 3/4 from your health?? This really isn't fair, MAINLY WHEN I ALWAYS GET SENTINEL! Can someone please tell me why we have helpers. They don't help. The make an unfair advantage. Example: Leftyb vs. Nferno666. I would think Leftyb would win, but if Nferno666 has Psy;ocke and Leftyb has Sentinel. I give that match to Nferno. Leftyb could do how many supers. But a helper knocks him out of it If Nferno666 does a super it gets powered up. Ugh, please make the helpers be able to be hit. Because it isn't your skill that isn't deciding matches anymore. It is more like who has the better helper and can screw you out of a win.

[BrainDed7726]

I'm with Selvin on this, I think the other player's helper should be susceptible to attacks from you.

[nosoul4evr]

*grins* sounds like some people need a refresher course on how to super jump and block j/k...hehe..yeah i have had it done to me...i'd rather them use up all their helpers in one round anyways...leaves 'em defenseless in rounds 2 and 3 ..use your helpers sparingly..only 2 or 3 a round..either to combo your opponent...or to break your opponents combo on you..
no offense but ya sound like newbies...i expected more from you guy's....hehe only joking guys dont get mad ok? :)

(Edited by nosoul4evr at 12:03 pm on Oct. 13, 2001)

[Selvin]

If I am doing a super, I CAN'T JUMP!

[nosoul4evr]

well thats my point...your in a super...a very strong move but has it's weakness's..the helpers are just that..a "super breaker" to stop the pain short.or a super combo to pour on a little more dammage and hopefuly leave your opponent realing for your next power move...i will admit that psylocke ,hondo,and the whirling ball of fuzz are the better of all the helpers,and can definately hurt ya bad when ya get slammed with all 5 in a round...the sentinal is terribly good at keepin' jumpers under control...im not too impressed with the ol' switcharoo dude..but he has saved me from several wolverine wall pinners...i have found pro's and conn 's about every helper and havent a complaint..sure getting blasted 5 times in a round sucks..but then again...how much skill does it take to hit "K","I" over and over...you'll get 'em next round if ya just use ya mellon for something other than a punchin' bag :)



(Edited by nosoul4evr at 12:29 pm on Oct. 13, 2001)

[BrainDed7726]

Who's this Hondo Guy? And isn't Spiral a girl? It would be odd for a man to have breasts...

[TarkanX]

Happens to me to

example:

TarkanX vs. leftyfb

TarkanX has spiral, and lefty has psylocke

[zaknefein]

If we could pick helps I would definately never pick the teleporting helper. That is the worst helper of them all. As a wolverine player I need a helper that will interupt or stop Ryu's power blast or take those last few hp away. Heres what happens with the teleporting helper:

Ryu starts power blast, Im blocking and call my helper - Im now getting hit and I get teleported to the back of the other end of the screen but still in the blast path.

How did that help me?

My favorite helps are Blanka and the Blue Spiril Girl. They come immediately and do damage. Alot of the others you have to wait for them to run out and throw or shoot something. Plus with Blanka and the Spiril Girl, they start doing damage from one end of the screen all the way to the other.

The throwing helpers can miss if your oponent is behind them. That guy that bites stuff is very short range, but still better than the teleporting helper.

Zaknefein

[Yawgatog]

You CAN pick helpers. That feature was added in update 0.1u, if I recall correctly.

All you need to know are the codes...

Using Psylocke all the time rules, BTW.

[nosoul4evr]

...when do you enter that...at the choose character screen?
...#### some one needs to compile a rule book for this game....even knowing all the moves and tricks of the trade...superior skill will 9 times out of 10 win you the battle...granted lag is also a determining factor as well.(well ....at the moment.)


(Edited by nosoul4evr at 4:46 pm on Oct. 15, 2001)

[Selvin]

Just make helpers able to be hit. The will make the games fairer.

[Sahlinja]

tarkanx, i thought you said you can't choose helpers. wtf? can you or can you not? BLAH, anyways, just REMOVE HELPERS FROMT THE GAME, and work on putting in more characters. helpers are gay.

[TMyApp]

helpers can be tweaked but they will NEVER be removed :biggrin:

now, as for choosing them, YES u can...

for example, to pick Sentinel, just hold down P2, K1, P3 as you click on the character you want to play as, then, continue holding until the helper you want is displayed...

if both players choose the same helper, Player1 takes the priority and a random helper will be asigned to Player2 :biggrin:

[Sahlinja]

really? ok what is the combo for psylock???

[Elena]

Well Selven do like i do if you have sentinal and u are using Ryu do the dragon punch then when he is falling down use your combo fireball then use sential or if u have wolvie do the x slash the sential or tornato claw the bb then sentinal:biggrin:

[Selvin]

Which goes back to my old enemy lag, which allows the enemy to disappear r hit me out of a Berseker Barrage X while they are getting hit.

[Selvin]

Okay, so I do a Berseker Barrage on Ryu. Ryu uses Psylocke on me... THEY DO THE SAME DAMAGE. Ugh, is this just me??

[Selvin]

If you block a helper's attack, does it do the same damage as if you never blocked??

[Token]

If you allow youreslf to get into a position where helpers decide the match, then YOUR the one who needs to develop his skill, not your opponent.

just dont let it happen.

[Selvin]

Life or Death is where people use helpers. (#### Them)

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 4:55 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
Life or Death is where people use helpers. (#### Them)

...ugh...

you OBVIOUSLY need practice if you cant JUMP, or BLOCK the helper. or use your skill to win the match. ive had it happen before, and 5 psylocks in a row shouldnt stop you from winning a match. why? they shouldnt have 5 left afterwords, where as you do. if they use em, there done the next match. and if they rely on them and you dont, the 3rd match should easily be yours.

to put it simply: if you rely on helpers, you suck. if you win the first match without them, and use them to quickly win the second, youve got skill.

[Selvin]

Life or Death. This is how I define it. Third Round, you and Ryu, one hit kills you both. You have 5 Spiral, he has 5 Psylocke. Who will win?? RYU OF COURSE!

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 5:12 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
Life or Death. This is how I define it. Third Round, you and Ryu, one hit kills you both. You have 5 Spiral, he has 5 Psylocke. Who will win?? RYU OF COURSE!

Then thats your own problem. dont bitch because you cant hold your own against a psylock flinging ryu fighter. dont elt it happen, simple as that. if you let them man handel you, and win one of two rounds wihtout using a psylock, then i can say only this: PRACTICE!

[Selvin]

I shall take your advice. Hey TMyApp can you make Barney shot out helpers please.

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 5:42 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
I shall take your advice. Hey TMyApp can you make Barney shot out helpers please.

Well, if its ever implememnted, then there could be several modes of practice, imo.

standard- they just fight back

any action- they do a move (you pick the char, and there could be a list of there moves. you pick it, they do it. it could range from specials, to blocking, to jumping, or flinging out helpers)

single player- like teh arcade, or console version. you just go through different matches.

[Selvin]

So many ideas. Where is TMyApp when you need him.

[BrainDed7726]

Off, taking a break I suppose...

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 5:55 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
So many ideas. Where is TMyApp when you need him.


i think he died..a long with the rest of the admins...

[Selvin]

If they are all did. Can it be Selvin World Order??

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 6:05 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
If they are all did. Can it be Selvin World Order??

only if you call me jesus.

[Selvin]

Now that Token is Jesus. Now the fourm has been taken over by SELVIN WORLD ORDER!

[Token]

Quote: from Selvin on 6:36 pm on Oct. 28, 2001
Now that Token is Jesus. Now the fourm has been taken over by SELVIN WORLD ORDER!

and then the dream ended...

[Selvin]

What Dream??

SELVIN WORLD ORDER!

[xUMJx]

I swear Selvin you are the dumbest mug ever. You are just dumb! And if you haven't been to challenges, Well I have challenged you to a battel bitch! Oh and helpers don't mean shit if you good enough. I just trick my opponent to using all his helpers in the first round.

[Selvin]

Yes I am a mug (whatever that is)