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(ShinKu_Ryu)
02-28-2004, 03:58 AM
I think people are starting to forget what VIP means, a while back VIP were respected....BUT now people disrespect VIPs including ####s. Not only that the loyal VIPs lost TMyApp's trust.......NOT knowing whats going on even though they were supposed to......well I have a lot of RESPECT for all the VIPs even though I'm not a VIP myself. JUST stating something i've been noticing lately. ???

Bubble1
02-28-2004, 04:20 AM
vip means. Yes vips neeed more respect.
Very
Important
Person

akuma_forever
02-28-2004, 05:11 AM
I agree with you, and thanks. :)

vx_unicom
02-28-2004, 05:17 AM
my thoughts exactly akuma forever!! :D

Angel-Eyes
02-28-2004, 06:51 AM
true, there are some vips that are very important people

but, more often then not

vip means (there are some exceptions)
i
want
perks


i am going to donate pretty soon, but when i do i will ask that i dont get any of the vip perks

to show that im not in it for extra characters



Edited By kester- on Feb. 28 2004 at 09:54

brokencuts
02-28-2004, 06:54 AM
vip means (there are some exceptions)
i
want
perks


i am going to donate pretty soon, but when i do i will ask that i dont get any of the vip perks

to show that im not in it for extra characters
thats actually pretty dumb why don't you just get your moneys worth.
you can always take off your perks in the game.

brokencuts = vip.

Brokencuts = novip.


oh yeah speaking of vip, can someone please fix my vip status here at the forums? thank you.

Angel-Eyes
02-28-2004, 06:59 AM
moneys worth!?

didnt you read the whole thingy about why you should or shouldnt donate.

read this (http://nosoul4evr.cyberfuturism.com/frameset01d.html)

EvilAkuma
02-28-2004, 07:07 AM
thank you, I like people respecting the vip, once they see a vip, can you sponsor me damn they bother me alot.

brokencuts
02-28-2004, 07:08 AM
moneys worth!?

didnt you read the whole thingy about why you should or shouldnt donate.

read this (http://nosoul4evr.cyberfuturism.com/frameset01d.html)
actually i did read that, thats how i got my vip status.

but if you don't want your charcters even though you can take it off thats totally up to you. kids out there are dying to get E.Ryu, and those insane colored characters.

viper2040
02-28-2004, 08:51 AM
i gotta side with kester....he is tryin to show he actually gives a damn about the community...

(ShinKu_Ryu)
02-28-2004, 08:54 AM
Well im glad dat yall agree wit me...and i hope dat ppl will notice VIP and respect them....... :(

EvilAkuma
02-28-2004, 10:00 AM
there are people that doesn't care about community, they just want EvilRyu and Symbiote sp

AfterMath
02-28-2004, 11:56 AM
i like this game and i like the person who made it....and thats why i payed money to the game. thats cool that you dont want perks and its cool and that you have respect for vips even though you arnt one...

i battled a person today and hes all like i hate fighting vips, he won and hes all like im not a vip but i move like one...but what he didnt notice all the perks i had on were lime green shoulder plates and boots on wolvie...

perks are fun at times, but its just better to play regurarly like everyone else. theres less bitching and less stupid questions....

so basically if you dont want your perks thats fine youll get less bitching the main point is to give back to the game you like.

so in conclusion... i like xmvssf/sfo...i respect TMy for making it possible...and im glad i put money up for xmvsf/sfo instead of wasting it on useless poop.

vx_unicom
02-28-2004, 12:08 PM
Well.......the main issue is how u dedicate urself to the community.....thats why SOME people pay to become VIPs.

Nferno666
02-29-2004, 09:34 PM
i gotta side with kester....he is tryin to show he actually gives a damn about the community...
word... :biggrin: it's the thought that counts when you donate..not what you get for it

Bob~Marley4004
02-29-2004, 10:19 PM
I DONATED TO!
20 DOLLARS!

y would i have 4 VIP NAMES??

Nferno666
02-29-2004, 10:30 PM
I DONATED TO!
20 DOLLARS!

y would i have 4 VIP NAMES??
maybe you forgot the passwords for the others and were to lazy to email TMyApp for them :biggrin:

SSJKarma
03-01-2004, 12:40 AM
LOL...

in anycase, i didn't donate to receive the gift, now it kinda got taken off of me because of some people who couldn't take what was given to them. (Losed TMyApp's trust) tho i must say i made name for myself, i received respect by respecting others. (ok some time it was too hard and i cracked) but seriously, Don't respect people and you will not be respected.

the big problem is... people think they BOUGHT their perks. while in reality, they donated without any guaranty that they would receive something in exchange for it. that is the problem and little kids think they bought their things... example those who actually lost their perks and stuff, they mainly have all bragged about how they bought the things and TMyApp hadn't any rights to give them the boot !

tell me how pathetic was that ?
seriously, many #### VIPs have disrespected a lot of members including the original creator of this place. and after that you say it's not normal to hate us ? seriously, i place myself in the place of the normal user who gets flamed, bragged, yelled about on how much he sucks because he don't get the chance to get our stuff... wouldn't i be mad at the vips for being so disrespectfull ? well of course i would be mad.

what i find even more worst are not the ones braggings about some VIPs who actually deserved the bragging, but its those who brag about ALL VIPS even tho they don't know even 1/15 of them all ! that makes me very mad at you people...

We're not what you think, Not all ofus !



Edited By SSJKarma on Mar. 01 2004 at 03:55

blanka09
03-01-2004, 07:20 AM
In all honesty, the main fact is, VIPs aren't really VIPs in this community anymore.

All the VIPs are seen nowa days are as normal members who have the ability to give up $5 to recieve Evil ryu, shin akuma and some green characters. Back in the days, when the VIPs were just NoSoul4Evr, Haohmaru and a handful of 'em, they had respect and they were looked to as ppl who wanted to help the game. :biggrin:

But nowadays, every Tom, Dick and harry can become a VIP, so a new member who just joined asks, how to become a VIP, he donates and wallah, he supposed to be ranked amongst the most respected members of this community. But not so my friends. Even the legit VIPs have been lost under the shadow of Pw sharing and perk hungry wombats. It's sad... really is. If you're not a mod then you're like everyone else.. and I think that should change. :biggrin:

TMyApp, for all he cares could decide to shut down this project.. but one of the main issues keeping him from doing that is the fact that there're some ppl who are willing to give thier time and spare a few change to help the dream he started. Even when times were tough.. when there was adversity.. they still remained... now that is what being a VIP is all about.. not the extra ordinary killing power of Shin Akuma's level 1 raging demon. :biggrin:

Indeed the VIPs have lost thier place in this community. But what is lost could be regained.. with common sense and respect. It's all reciprocal ppl.. :biggrin:

-- nuff said! :biggrin:

Nferno666
03-01-2004, 07:32 AM
Indeed the VIPs have lost thier place in this community. But what is lost could be regained.. with common sense and respect. It's all reciprocal ppl.. :biggrin:

-- nuff said! :biggrin:
oh but that could takes many more months/years my friend.. :biggrin: but it's not impossible...but it's also not gonna be easy :biggrin:

Bob~Marley4004
03-01-2004, 08:34 AM
I DONATED TO!
20 DOLLARS!

y would i have 4 VIP NAMES??
maybe you forgot the passwords for the others and were to lazy to email TMyApp for them :biggrin:
i know all my pws! :biggrin:
my accout never got terminated!

chicken_wing
03-01-2004, 12:05 PM
i gotta side with kester....he is tryin to show he actually gives a damn about the community...
word... :biggrin: it's the thought that counts when you donate..not what you get for it
I would donated along time ago for community.
But since I got no credictcard/bank account I couldn't
donate for the community.
Even though VIRUS told me to send me the money through mail
but those mailman take the money =\...
So now the only way I to help the community without money is heping the community out by making banners and answering question and help nosoul update/advertise his site in the chat room :biggrin:

blanka09
03-01-2004, 12:07 PM
Indeed the VIPs have lost thier place in this community. But what is lost could be regained.. with common sense and respect. It's all reciprocal ppl.. :biggrin:

-- nuff said! :biggrin:
oh but that could takes many more months/years my friend.. :biggrin: but it's not impossible...but it's also not gonna be easy :biggrin:
Oh, I'm very well aware of that fact.. :biggrin:
Thing is.. what's done can't be undone.. but what we can do is try and be better of in the near future. :biggrin:

chicken_wing
03-01-2004, 03:27 PM
Indeed the VIPs have lost thier place in this community. But what is lost could be regained.. with common sense and respect. It's all reciprocal ppl.. <!--emo&:biggrin:

-- nuff said! :biggrin:
oh but that could takes many more months/years my friend.. :biggrin: but it's not impossible...but it's also not gonna be easy
Oh, I'm very well aware of that fact.. :biggrin:
Thing is.. what's done can't be undone.. but what we can do is try and be better of in the near future. :
Well one thing TMyApp can do about the vips is send emails to those who he trust.
Which will be impossible since he lost his trust with the vips for leaking info to the normal member =\...
Dammit I had to delete one biggrin srry blanka =/..

Nferno666
03-01-2004, 08:40 PM
Well one thing TMyApp can do about the vips is send emails to those who he trust.
Which will be impossible since he lost his trust with the vips for leaking info to the normal member =\...
Dammit I had to delete one biggrin srry blanka =/
umm that's something that wont happen...no VIP's have gained his trust yet...and if they have he wont let you know it :biggrin:

blanka09
03-02-2004, 05:42 AM
Very well said. I mean... put yourself in his shoes.. What will you do?
You have a team of members who u appreciate for their help in the community to make it better and save it from crashing.. Besides, it's not like it's the VIPs that are paying for all the expenses of running the game. You have no idea how many times TMyApp'll have to change servers, or what kinda server problems he's running into.. All these things have a lot to do with the game.. and the main fact is the VIPs are no way close to that extent in helping the game. :biggrin:

So the trust and priviledges he had given us for the little/almost negligible help that we had given him was to fragile for us to toy around the way we did.
So I doubt if TMyApp is gonna send emails to specific VIPs telling them what only the mods are supposed to know. He might have his eyes on you.. but the main fact is he's too busy to be picking out VIPs outta a bunch of wombat seeking muffin jerking glockheads. :biggrin: (No offense..)

Pity... and besides the VIP community keeps on growing each day.. and as someone wise said, it's very unethical to judge everyone especially new ones on perception that thier characters/personality wouldn't be good enough to be trusted! :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-02-2004, 03:01 PM
very GOOD point blanka09......i agree with u.

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-02-2004, 03:32 PM
well ppl keep sayin dat Tymapp does not have ur trust's, but has any1 ever asked wat 2 do 2 get his trust back..?!?!.....wondering?!?!........ :angryfire:

chicken_wing
03-02-2004, 03:35 PM
well ppl keep sayin dat Tymapp does not have ur trust's, but has any1 ever asked wat 2 do 2 get his trust back..?!?!.....wondering?!?!........ :angryfire:
If TMyAPp does do that.
Some Idoit is probally going to leak info again =/..

KidKrazyShit
03-02-2004, 05:57 PM
I didn't read every post in this thread. So if I've said something that's been said already.....deal with it =/

Perhaps in the very first week of VIPs, they were a group of respected members. After that first week, any joe blow could donate his $5, and he's in.

I find it hillarious when ppl say "VIP" they automatically think "respect" or "an actual important person" The name VIP is just a title, nothing more. 3/4...well...actually more than that of our current VIP's are not respected, and aren't considered "important" by the community(they know who they are =/)

Just remember folks, VIP means: some who donated $5 or more
VIP does not mean: an actual very important person. Though of course we greatly appreciate their donation to help the community progress further, but facts are facts.

SBYRD5
03-03-2004, 06:40 AM
Jesus Christ I actually agree with you....

Heaven help us... :shocked:

vx_unicom
03-03-2004, 03:12 PM
Jesus Christ I actually agree with you....

Heaven help us... :shocked:
help u................

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-03-2004, 05:08 PM
LOL..... :laughlong: so vip's r nottin' less than i am....but thnx 4 yall donations......... :angryfire:

akuma_forever
03-03-2004, 07:36 PM
i gotta side with kester....he is tryin to show he actually gives a damn about the community...
word... :biggrin: it's the thought that counts when you donate..not what you get for it
back when i donated, when there was less than 10 vips or so, there were no perks. All we got was the green characters and the vip name. I could care less about the perks, i wanted to help out this great community. The reason that i have not been able to donate any more is because my credit is messed up. Otherwise i would have made a few more donations. I just wanted to show my thanks to tmy for all of his hard work.

but yeah, some people are in it for the perks, and i think that is wrong. VIP should be a respected title, a title given out to people who care about the communtiy, not for people who are just in it for the perks...

Zpower
03-03-2004, 08:13 PM
Everyone on sfo needs to treat EVERYONE with respect. Then things would work out better for EVERYONE. Saying that vips are yes important because they donate to help the creator of the game. Does that mean they should be given more respect? NO, because everyone here is the same may not look the same or act the same. Though all are human beings and deserve to be treated fair and with dignity. Learn like everyone maybe you like yourself more :).

vx_unicom
03-04-2004, 03:48 AM
i agree with you Zpower.. ???

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-06-2004, 04:47 PM
[quote:post_uid3="Zpower"]Everyone on sfo needs to treat EVERYONE with respect. Then things would work out better for EVERYONE. Saying that vips are yes important because they donate to help the creator of the game. Does that mean they should be given more respect? NO, because everyone here is the same may not look the same or act the same. Though all are human beings and deserve to be treated fair and with dignity. Learn like everyone maybe you like yourself more :).[/quote:post_uid3]
Dude...?!?!......Speak 4 ur self,..every1 is the same???lol :angryfire:

KidKrazyShit
03-07-2004, 08:04 PM
Everyone on sfo needs to treat EVERYONE with respect. Then things would work out better for EVERYONE.
You must live in a fantasy world surrounded by hippies, sugar cookies, and rainbows.

You believe Bunmi deserves the same amount of respect as 2000warrior?

Wake up and smell the reality. That's never going to happen. Because it's not ment to happen, because it makes no sense.

Now lets all get drunk and shoot each other.

Nferno666
03-08-2004, 12:19 PM
Everyone on sfo needs to treat EVERYONE with respect. Then things would work out better for EVERYONE.
You must live in a fantasy world surrounded by hippies, sugar cookies, and rainbows.

You believe Bunmi deserves the same amount of respect as 2000warrior?

Wake up and smell the reality. That's never going to happen. Because it's not ment to happen, because it makes no sense.

Now lets all get drunk and shoot each other.
very well said :biggrin: bunami or whatever his name is has been bnned countless ammount of times...and seems to lever learn so why would your want to respect some1 like that..their are some VIP's that are the same way as him so they don't get my respect untill they earn it

vx_unicom
03-08-2004, 01:50 PM
Well..........in that case Everyone will have to earn my RESPECT. Nosoul4Evr and TMyApp have been so helpful to me so they EARN my respect a whole lot more than anyone i have ever seen.......oh so does Bob Marley!!!. :angry:

abc123test
03-08-2004, 07:03 PM
I still hate the fact that pepole can donate money, when thay have been in this community for 3 days. Thay hardly know anything about the game and just want chars. It is nice that thay donated, but thay donated for the wrong purpose. I also think that the price needs to be raised higher, mabe to about 30 bucks. Pepole like nosoul4ever(when I researched he donated 100 dollors are more.) care about this community alot, I mean a whole lot.

I am not saying that others don't care, but most are in it for the char. I hate it when pepole go around saying "I dontaed 5 bucks I deserve a lot more respect." Why do I hate it? Most of them wouldn't give a rats ass if the game needed money and thay would not get perks for it.

Bob~Marley4004
03-08-2004, 07:08 PM
Well..........in that case Everyone will have to earn my RESPECT. Nosoul4Evr and TMyApp have been so helpful to me so they EARN my respect a whole lot more than anyone i have ever seen.......oh so does Bob Marley!!!. :angry:
so i earn ur respect now?? :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-09-2004, 03:44 AM
Yea.....my homie!! :D

Nferno666
03-09-2004, 10:29 AM
I still hate the fact that pepole can donate money, when thay have been in this community for 3 days. Thay hardly know anything about the game and just want chars. It is nice that thay donated, but thay donated for the wrong purpose. I also think that the price needs to be raised higher, mabe to about 30 bucks. Pepole like nosoul4ever(when I researched he donated 100 dollors are more.) care about this community alot, I mean a whole lot.

I am not saying that others don't care, but most are in it for the char. I hate it when pepole go around saying "I dontaed 5 bucks I deserve a lot more respect." Why do I hate it? Most of them wouldn't give a rats ass if the game needed money and thay would not get perks for it.
umm the ammount of the donation is up to you...so there is no ned to raise a price for something that is yur own choice if we did that then ppl would think we are doing it for the money

silent-killer
03-09-2004, 11:18 AM
vip means. Yes vips neeed more respect.
Very
Important
Person
agreed........

abc123test
03-09-2004, 12:30 PM
vip means. Yes vips neeed more respect.
Very
Important
Person
agreed........
I totaly disagree, as someone has already said what if the biggest #### in the world came to this fourm? He sighned up to be a V.I.P would you respect him more then some of the loyal members on this fourm?Just because he is a v.i.p, I wouldn't !

There are some members on this fourm who I think very much need to be V.I.P's. Thay have stayed around here helped the fourm and the game heck some even make websites! Those are the ones who need to be respected if thay are v.i.p's are not!

Raiseing the price is just one of the many ways to help, basicly make it so 30 bucks is how much you need to pay to get the perks. Lower ammounts will be donated, still I think that if you donate you deserve to get the perks so scratch out that idea.

I don't know if you all do this or not, but as I said some pepole need to be v.i.p's for helping this comunity out. I see so many pepole who I think deserve the right of a v.i.p spot but ether thay are to young are just don't have a creidit card yet. (I don't think you take any credit cards from Tokyo lol )

So that is my opinion on this matter.



Edited By abc123test on Mar. 09 2004 at 15:42

Nferno666
03-09-2004, 12:36 PM
vip means. Yes vips neeed more respect.
Very
Important
Person
agreed........
I totaly disagree, as someone has already said what if the biggest #### in th world came to this fourm? He sighned up to be a V.I.P would you respect him more then some of the loyal members on this fourm?Just because he is a v.i.p, I wouldn't I!

There are some members on this fourm who I think very much need to be V.I.P's. Thay have stayed around here helped the fourm and the game heck some even make websites! Those are the ones who need to be respected if thay are v.i.p's are not!

Raiseing the price is just one of the many ways to help, basicly make it so 30 bucks is how much you need to pay to get the perks. Lower ammounts will be donated, still I think that if you donate you deserve to get the perks so scratch out that idea.

I don't know if you all do this or not, but as I said some pepole need to be v.i.p's for helping this comunity out. I see so many pepole who I think deserve the right of a v.i.p spot but ether thay are to young are just don't have a creidit card yet. (I don't think you take any credit cards from Tokyo lol )

So that is my opinion on this matter.
exactly...some VIP i consider to be Very Immature Person or along the lines of that...but their are those who are really VIP's in the vip community :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-09-2004, 03:49 PM
vip means. Yes vips neeed more respect.
Very
Important
Person
agreed........
I totaly disagree, as someone has already said what if the biggest #### in th world came to this fourm? He sighned up to be a V.I.P would you respect him more then some of the loyal members on this fourm?Just because he is a v.i.p, I wouldn't I!

There are some members on this fourm who I think very much need to be V.I.P's. Thay have stayed around here helped the fourm and the game heck some even make websites! Those are the ones who need to be respected if thay are v.i.p's are not!

Raiseing the price is just one of the many ways to help, basicly make it so 30 bucks is how much you need to pay to get the perks. Lower ammounts will be donated, still I think that if you donate you deserve to get the perks so scratch out that idea.

I don't know if you all do this or not, but as I said some pepole need to be v.i.p's for helping this comunity out. I see so many pepole who I think deserve the right of a v.i.p spot but ether thay are to young are just don't have a creidit card yet. (I don't think you take any credit cards from Tokyo lol )

So that is my opinion on this matter.
exactly...some VIP i consider to be Very Immature Person or along the lines of that...but their are those who are really VIP's in the vip community :biggrin:
I highly desagree with you...........Cause unlike some VIPs like to have fun, make jokes......it doesnt mean they are immature!!! there is a certain time that EVERYONE is serious and act mature. :angry:

Evil-Blanka
03-09-2004, 03:53 PM
true, there are some vips that are very important people

but, more often then not

vip means (there are some exceptions)
i
want
perks


i am going to donate pretty soon, but when i do i will ask that i dont get any of the vip perks

to show that im not in it for extra characters
I ANT VIP BUT BEING A VIP MEMBER IS A SPECIAL THING EVEN BEING A SPONCERED VIP

Nferno666
03-09-2004, 04:40 PM
true, there are some vips that are very important people

but, more often then not

vip means (there are some exceptions)
i
want
perks


i am going to donate pretty soon, but when i do i will ask that i dont get any of the vip perks

to show that im not in it for extra characters
I ANT VIP BUT BEING A VIP MEMBER IS A SPECIAL THING EVEN BEING A SPONCERED VIP
if it were up to me i would do away with sponsering...causes to much trouble and brings in annoying VIP's

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-09-2004, 04:54 PM
if it were up to me i would do away with sponsering...causes to much trouble and brings in annoying VIP's[/quote:post_uid8]

so......wat r u tryi'n 2 say here...?! :angry:sponcerd vip's r annoyin..?? :angryfire:



Edited By (ShinKu_Ryu) on Mar. 09 2004 at 19:56

chicken_wing
03-09-2004, 04:55 PM
true, there are some vips that are very important people

but, more often then not

vip means (there are some exceptions)
i
want
perks


i am going to donate pretty soon, but when i do i will ask that i dont get any of the vip perks

to show that im not in it for extra characters
I ANT VIP BUT BEING A VIP MEMBER IS A SPECIAL THING EVEN BEING A SPONCERED VIP
if it were up to me i would do away with sponsering...causes to much trouble and brings in annoying VIP's
Not all ppl are annoying ...
If your going to sponser someone sponser someone who has repect and its intellengent.
Nferno remember what I told you in the chat servers...

That some vips think that thier vets but they just paid for perks -n- they just joined...So yeah...

abc123test
03-09-2004, 04:56 PM
Nferno666 is right, sponsering is just way to annoying. Every time I go into a chat someone is going "Will you sponser me?" to a v.i.p! I hate it, there are way to many pepole wanting to be sonser and pepole saying thay will then turning around and getting pissed. Then thay come to this fourm and get all mad make topics and say "Someone said thay would sponcer me, but thay didn't. I think I need to be a v.i.p since someone lied to me." Then we find out that the kid started playing the game 2 days ago.

I think the only other way to be a v.i.p without paying is to earn it! as I said, "make a fan site." Doing something for the community. ect. ect.

For those who say thay are not im immatuer, you think that but take a good ong look at your post once in awile. There are times for jokes and times to get down and be real...

Nferno666
03-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Nferno666 is right, sponsering is just way to annoying. Every time I go into a chat someone is going "Will you sponser me?" to a v.i.p! I hate it, there are way to many pepole wanting to be sonser and pepole saying thay will then turning around and getting pissed. Then thay come to this fourm and get all mad make topics and say "Someone said thay would sponcer me, but thay didn't. I think I need to be a v.i.p since someone lied to me." Then we find out that the kid started playing the game 2 days ago.

I think the only other way to be a v.i.p without paying is to earn it! as I said, "make a fan site." Doing something for the community. ect. ect.

For those who say thay are not im immatuer, you think that but take a good ong look at your post once in awile. There are times for jokes and times to get down and be real...
very well said :biggrin: and i didn't say all sponsered VIP's are annoying..i said the system it'self, it needs to be gone..as in no more sponsering :biggrin:



Edited By Nferno666 on Mar. 09 2004 at 17:00

Bob~Marley4004
03-09-2004, 05:08 PM
Yea.....my homie!! :D
thanks!
no sponsering?? sounds kind of good! :biggrin:

--and then?? :biggrin:

abc123test
03-09-2004, 05:20 PM
Here is another reson why I don't think sponsering is right.

Ryu1 gets in a fight with a gut named Ken1. Ryu1 runs a clan and is looking for members, he has alot of mony and wants all his members to be able to use v.i.p perks. To give his clan a advantage, so after the fight he finds out ken 1 is a very skilled member. Ryu 1 says to Ken 1 "Yo, you are good want to join my clan?" Ken1 one says "Nope I wont join #### clans." Ryu 1 says to Ken 1 "If you do join I will sponser you!" Ken 1 says back to Ryu 1 "Shoot, if you do I will join for sure."

Now 1 of these 2 possible thigs can happen.

1.)Ryu1 gets every one in his clan but then decides that he will not sponser them. Thay run to this fourm to tell on him and some way still get sponsered because someone lied to them. When thay find out thy wont become a v.i.p thay flame.

2.)Ryu1 keeps to his deal, but here is what is wrong with that.

1.)He is sonsering for the wrong thing.

2.)He is paying for all of them, thay are not donateing why should thay get the perks? Thay are not heping the community in any way.

So you see what I mean..

chicken_wing
03-09-2004, 05:29 PM
^ I agree with you...
But some ppl deserved to be sponserd for helping the SFO community.

@Nferno:Sorry bout that :biggrin:

Oh btw Abc try to fix the text in your banner thier some blue in there :biggrin:



Edited By chicken_wing on Mar. 09 2004 at 20:30

Bob~Marley4004
03-09-2004, 05:31 PM
nice example!
i see what u mean! :biggrin:

--and then?? :biggrin:

abc123test
03-09-2004, 05:38 PM
^ I agree with you...
But some ppl deserved to be sponserd for helping the SFO community.

@Nferno:Sorry bout that :biggrin:

Oh btw Abc try to fix the text in your banner thier some blue in there :biggrin:
O ya didn't see the blue in there, any way yes there are many members on this fourm who I think have served there time and should be a v.i.p.

Take elena for a example, she has been here for what, as long as I have. The differn'ts between us is that she stayed active and posted, I on the other hand did not... So since almost the start of the game she has been here, to me that is how pepole get respect. She has in my eyes earned the right to be a v.i.p.

Chicken Wing even you do, you may not have been here that long but still. You are makeing pepole banners, helping ####s also helping out a fan web site that takes alot of time.

Though both of these pepole are not v.i.ps......

there are many pepole like this who earned the right to v.i.p but are not, due to not donateing..... To me these pepole are the v.i.ps of this fourm.



Edited By abc123test on Mar. 09 2004 at 20:54

Angel-Eyes
03-09-2004, 06:11 PM
totally agree abc, when i started playin i guess i forgot about the game and quit playin for like a year; thank god that i remembered this site and started playin again!


yeah and abc is also right about those who have stayed the whole time



Edited By kester- on Mar. 09 2004 at 21:12

Nferno666
03-09-2004, 06:43 PM
But some ppl deserved to be sponserd for helping the SFO community.

@Nferno:Sorry bout that :biggrin:
SOME but not all...try looking at the sponsered VIP's list..in my opinion 1 out of 10 ppl who are sponsered really deserve it

chicken_wing
03-10-2004, 12:47 PM
Yeah thats true I looked at all the members that were sponcerd or is =/...

Ssj-Karma
Digital Fighter
KingRyu
Montalvo
DxRoll
Scorponok

Thats all the ppl I think really deserved to be sponserd that are.

*Cough* Yes I checked the whole VIP list*Cough* =/...

abc123test
03-10-2004, 01:08 PM
Yeah thats true I looked at all the members that were sponcerd or is =/...

Ssj-Karma
Digital Fighter
KingRyu
Montalvo
DxRoll
Scorponok

Thats all the ppl I think reallydeserved to be sponserd that are.

*Cough* Yes I checked the whole VIP list*Cough* =/...
Yes, very few as you can see that deserved to be sponsered and did. The thing is that pepole come in here with money and start sponcering epole who thay hardly know. Then thay run around the fourm bragging and saying that thay are better then other members. I think there are very few v.i.p's who deserve it. Then thay did donate, but thay don't get my respect why you may ask? That is not that much to do donate 5 bucks and thats it. A web site are something like that needs to start being given some attintion. The pepole who take all that time to do stuff like that should be the v.i.p's


Also I hat the cocky v.i.p's, lol I don't know why but thay get on my nerves so bad. One way we will find out who paid for perks or for donation is if v.i.ps don't get something reguler members do. Though I dought that will happen, but if it did I bet some v.i.p's would be very pissed off.

vx_unicom
03-10-2004, 02:21 PM
Yeah thats true I looked at all the members that were sponcerd or is =/...

Ssj-Karma
Digital Fighter
KingRyu
Montalvo
DxRoll
Scorponok

Thats all the ppl I think reallydeserved to be sponserd that are.

*Cough* Yes I checked the whole VIP list*Cough* =/...
Yes, very few as you can see that deserved to be sponsered and did. The thing is that pepole come in here with money and start sponcering epole who thay hardly know. Then thay run around the fourm bragging and saying that thay are better then other members. I think there are very few v.i.p's who deserve it. Then thay did donate, but thay don't get my respect why you may ask? That is not that much to do donate 5 bucks and thats it. A web site are something like that needs to start being given some attintion. The pepole who take all that time to do stuff like that should be the v.i.p's


Also I hat the cocky v.i.p's, lol I don't know why but thay get on my nerves so bad. One way we will find out who paid for perks or for donation is if v.i.ps don't get something reguler members do. Though I dought that will happen, but if it did I bet some v.i.p's would be very pissed off.
Yea......few did deserve to be sponsered VIPs....coughs unlike pip99....Coughs....Coughs!!!!

Angel-Eyes
03-10-2004, 02:53 PM
dont be mudslinging now :)



Edited By kester- on Mar. 10 2004 at 17:54

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-10-2004, 05:10 PM
I yhink dat some ppl derserve 2 be vips.....ex:If i was able 2 donate money to the community, not just 2 b a Vip i would donate even $50.00...........But i cant because I got no credit card and ma parents wont do anytin' 4 me dat has 2 do with games........I know dat some sponserd VIP's r only in 4 perks but u cant say dat they should b no sponsering.....if you think dat its annoying then u dont have 2 sponser... ???

Every 1 has diffrent thoughts.....But :angryfire:



Edited By (ShinKu_Ryu) on Mar. 10 2004 at 20:12

abc123test
03-10-2004, 05:54 PM
I yhink dat some ppl derserve 2 be vips.....ex:If i was able 2 donate money to the community, not just 2 b a Vip i would donate even $50.00...........But i cant because I got no credit card and ma parents wont do anytin' 4 me dat has 2 do with games........I know dat some sponserd VIP's r only in 4 perks but u cant say dat they should b no sponsering.....if you think dat its annoying then u dont have 2 sponser... ???

Every 1 has diffrent thoughts.....But :angryfire:
Next time you post, use some spelling also don't use slang!!!!!!

Nferno666
03-10-2004, 06:08 PM
Yeah thats true I looked at all the members that were sponcerd or is =/...

Ssj-Karma
Digital Fighter
KingRyu
Montalvo
DxRoll
Scorponok

Thats all the ppl I think reallydeserved to be sponserd that are.

*Cough* Yes I checked the whole VIP list*Cough* =/...
Yes, very few as you can see that deserved to be sponsered and did. The thing is that pepole come in here with money and start sponcering epole who thay hardly know. Then thay run around the fourm bragging and saying that thay are better then other members. I think there are very few v.i.p's who deserve it. Then thay did donate, but thay don't get my respect why you may ask? That is not that much to do donate 5 bucks and thats it. A web site are something like that needs to start being given some attintion. The pepole who take all that time to do stuff like that should be the v.i.p's


Also I hat the cocky v.i.p's, lol I don't know why but thay get on my nerves so bad. One way we will find out who paid for perks or for donation is if v.i.ps don't get something reguler members do. Though I dought that will happen, but if it did I bet some v.i.p's would be very pissed off.
see...that's what i don't like...ppl who come out of no where and sponser ppl for the hell of it..that why if it were up to me i would do away with sponsering :biggrin:

blanka09
03-11-2004, 12:35 AM
True. Being a VIP means.. you've got the ability to sacrifice a part of your hard earned money (or whichever method you got the money.. *cough* :biggrin: ) for the game. Heaven still knows you want to help the game.. but being a VIP is not just wanting to help the game financially.. but actually doing it. :biggrin:
But I must say, that there are some ppl who don't actually have a means of donating.. but would be better off being more than just ordinary members.. that's why the whole idea of sponsoring came into play... but the whole topic is lost as well as the respect/trust the VIPs should have. :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-11-2004, 03:29 AM
i agree with u blanka09.......i think!! ???

abc123test
03-11-2004, 04:40 AM
True. Being a VIP means.. you've got the ability to sacrifice a part of your hard earned money (or whichever method you got the money.. *cough* :biggrin: ) for the game. Heaven still knows you want to help the game.. but being a VIP is not just wanting to help the game financially.. but actually doing it. :biggrin:
But I must say, that there are some ppl who don't actually have a means of donating.. but would be better off being more than just ordinary members.. that's why the whole idea of sponsoring came into play... but the whole topic is lost as well as the respect/trust the VIPs should have. :biggrin:
Five bucks is not alot of cash, I mean working at minimum wage you can make that much in 60 mind.! I think that the one way to solve this problume is to let pepole donate, but not get v.i.p perks...

Thugh then few would donate, that shows how much the v.i.p perks are involved. There needs to be a higher rank then them, something were you can't just donate, but do something for the community. As I said there are about 30 or more pepole who I think need to be v.i.ps thay have earned it. They are held back by one thing?? Donateing, it is just like every thing else in this community. There are pepole who deserve it and pepole who don't.

For a example, I think that some of the nwo mods who got picked do not deserve it much. I am not saying any names, but some don't even post! One thing this community needs to start focasing on is getting this v.i.p thing straightened out. As you can see from the post of this one topic there are many who agree with me that it needs to be fixed!!!!!

blanka09
03-11-2004, 08:01 AM
True.. I'm not saying $5.00 is hard to come by.. but how many ppl are willing to part with it?? :biggrin:

Anywho, I like the point you made about the VIP rank being straightened out. Well, I'm guessing TMyApp would have done this.. if the some of them weren't so stupid! I mean... put urself in his shoes for once. How would you feel? He gave them some info that weren't to be released to the community.. and they blabbed and gave out pws and all the likes. :biggrin:
I'm not the one to complain in his place...since he has his own agenda.. but it'll take a long hard time of thinking before he reconsiders vamping the VIP community or revising it in a way that'll make it worth it's name... VIP :biggrin:

And remember one fact.. all mods/admins apart from lefty and TMyApp started from the position of VIPs. :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-11-2004, 02:52 PM
True.. I'm not saying $5.00 is hard to come by.. but how many ppl are willing to part with it?? :biggrin:

Anywho, I like the point you made about the VIP rank being straightened out. Well, I'm guessing TMyApp would have done this.. if the some of them weren't so stupid! I mean... put urself in his shoes for once. How would you feel? He gave them some info that weren't to be released to the community.. and they blabbed and gave out pws and all the likes. :biggrin:
I'm not the one to complain in his place...since he has his own agenda.. but it'll take a long hard time of thinking before he reconsiders vamping the VIP community or revising it in a way that'll make it worth it's name... VIP :biggrin:

And remember one fact.. all mods/admins apart from lefty and TMyApp started from the position of VIPs. :biggrin:
I agree with u blanka09....

abc123test
03-11-2004, 03:59 PM
And remember one fact.. all mods/admins apart from lefty and TMyApp started from the position of VIPs. :biggrin:
What dose being a v.i.p have any thing to do with being a mod? Nothing at all not one thing!! If a #### was to donate 200 bucks he would not be a mod. Why? He is a #### if you notice thay have "all" done something for this community. They mostly all have a fan site, mostly all of them are good posters and can make there point across. So as you can see that being a v.i.p has nothing to do with becomeing a mod.

Nowback to the suject, as you said the v.i.ps gave out passwords to there accounts. Also that thay told every one about what the next update was to be. That is were you need to take all the respected and trusted members, put them into one group. The ones who have not earnd tmy's trust in another. If you get what I mean.

Bob~Marley4004
03-11-2004, 04:05 PM
And remember one fact.. all mods/admins apart from lefty and TMyApp started from the position of VIPs. :biggrin:
What dose being a v.i.p have any thing to do with being a mod? Nothing at all not one thing!! If a #### was to donate 200 bucks he would not be a mod. Why? He is a #### if you notice thay have "all" done something for this community. They mostly all have a fan site, mostly all of them are good posters and can make there point across. So as you can see that being a v.i.p has nothing to do with becomeing a mod.

Nowback to the suject, as you said the v.i.ps gave out passwords to there accounts. Also that thay told every one about what the next update was to be. That is were you need to take all the respected and trusted members, put them into one group. The ones who have not earnd tmy's trust in another. If you get what I mean.
TmyApp sure doesnt have time for that!VIP is 1 group and will always probadly be 1 group..good just have to suffer for the bad :biggrin:

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-11-2004, 04:07 PM
.........im getting what ur saying..I think ???



Edited By (ShinKu_Ryu) on Mar. 11 2004 at 19:08

KidKrazyShit
03-13-2004, 11:47 AM
No one "deserves" to be a VIP. First, how do you define how someone deserves to be one? TMyApp has set no guidelines for us to follow in this matter. No one deserves to be a VIP period. It doesn't work like that.

You just donate your $5+, and boom, instant VIP status. The person who donated doesn't deserve to be a VIP. He simply is one b/c he donated.

Like Nferno, I voted to do away with the whole SVIP system completely. But alas, tmy did not agree.

But there is a method to his madness.

vx_unicom
03-13-2004, 02:39 PM
No one "deserves" to be a VIP. First, how do you define how someone deserves to be one? TMyApp has set no guidelines for us to follow in this matter. No one deserves to be a VIP period. It doesn't work like that.

You just donate your $5+, and boom, instant VIP status. The person who donated doesn't deserve to be a VIP. He simply is one b/c he donated.

Like Nferno, I voted to do away with the whole SVIP system completely. But alas, tmy did not agree.

But there is a method to his madness.
Exactly who deserves to be VIP then?!?!?? And why are some people getting of topic!!!

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-15-2004, 06:04 PM
yo.....any one deafeted practice with sentinel.., well there is this guy u get 2 fight last.His name was.....Sentinel prime.damn that guy is awsome...shouldn't VIP's have got him..?!? ???

And kidcrazyshit...., plz try 2 stay with the topic :angryfire:

chicken_wing
03-16-2004, 04:39 AM
yo.....any one deafeted practice with sentinel.., well there is this guy u get 2 fight last.His name was.....Sentinel prime.damn that guy is awsome...shouldn't VIP's have got him..?!? ???

And kidcrazyshit...., plz try 2 stay with the topic :angryfire:
Stay with the topic =/....
You shouldnt be talking most of your posts are OFF topic,
Also you should get your act together man before you get banned for spamming for doing something stupid...

And how kks is off topic...
If you didnt even bother to read the other pages *which you didnt* you would of read that most of it was who deserverd to be sponserd and if TMyApp should take the svip sytem away...


Btw,this is not a flame Im giving Shinku a tip :lookaround:

VampireNinja
03-16-2004, 04:50 AM
Yea...ppl back then in Xmvssf didn't disrespect us VIPS...
One thought..
1.Becuz streetfighteronline.com is an easy url and thats why n00bs are commin (remember that long url for xmvssf?)

thats probaly why.. :biggrin:



Edited By VampireNinja on Mar. 16 2004 at 07:51

chicken_wing
03-16-2004, 05:20 AM
Yea...ppl back then in Xmvssf didn't disrespect us VIPS...
One thought..
1.Becuz streetfighteronline.com is an easy url and thats why n00bs are commin (remember that long url for xmvssf?)

thats probaly why.. :biggrin:
Acutally no....
Ever since TMyApp added Evil Ryu for vip members thier was load of ####s paying for 5 dollars only for the perk for they can have a "special" advantage over the norms.

Not only that some ####s think that thier vets just because thier are vips,and they fail to understand that thier paying for the community and in return you get vip perks.

And if you was here before evil ryu came out thier was alot less vips since thiers was no evil ryu or nothin.

Oh yeah,The neon green Ryu ownz :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-16-2004, 12:16 PM
Yea...ppl back then in Xmvssf didn't disrespect us VIPS...
One thought..
1.Becuz streetfighteronline.com is an easy url and thats why n00bs are commin (remember that long url for xmvssf?)

thats probaly why.. :biggrin:
Acutally no....
Ever since TMyApp added Evil Ryu for vip members thier was load of ####s paying for 5 dollars only for the perk for they can have a "special" advantage over the norms.

Not only that some ####s think that thier vets just because thier are vips,and they fail to understand that thier paying for the community and in return you get vip perks.

And if you was here before evil ryu came out thier was alot less vips since thiers was no evil ryu or nothin.

Oh yeah,The neon green Ryu ownz :biggrin:
Chicken wing stop getting off topic insulting VIPs.

chicken_wing
03-16-2004, 12:24 PM
Yea...ppl back then in Xmvssf didn't disrespect us VIPS...
One thought..
1.Becuz streetfighteronline.com is an easy url and thats why n00bs are commin (remember that long url for xmvssf?)

thats probaly why.. :biggrin:
Acutally no....
Ever since TMyApp added Evil Ryu for vip members thier was load of ####s paying for 5 dollars only for the perk for they can have a "special" advantage over the norms.

Not only that some ####s think that thier vets just because thier are vips,and they fail to understand that thier paying for the community and in return you get vip perks.

And if you was here before evil ryu came out thier was alot less vips since thiers was no evil ryu or nothin.

Oh yeah,The neon green Ryu ownz :biggrin:
Chicken wing stop getting off topic insulting VIPs.
I wasnt getting off topic I was replying to what vamp said...
And btw,your off topic too... :cheesy:

vx_unicom
03-16-2004, 12:27 PM
I dont have time for u wing..............BESIDES this topic has nothing to do with u since u dont keep ur promises.

chicken_wing
03-16-2004, 12:33 PM
I dont have time for u wing..............BESIDES this topic has nothing to do with u since u dont keep ur promises.
Promises...??
Lol your mad at me for accidentaly deleting your banner....
You know what you see that venom tag I have take its yours...
And you dont have time for me??...
What are you 10 to be mad for some banner sheesh just lighten its only digital artwork ;)

Btw,can a mod please delete the post of me and vx having an argument and this one too I want this topic clean =/...

EDIT:vx pm ANd I'll tell you...



Edited By chicken_wing on Mar. 16 2004 at 15:51

vx_unicom
03-16-2004, 12:47 PM
how do i take it?!??

abc123test
03-16-2004, 02:12 PM
vx unicom, chicken wing was not getting off topic at all. He was stateing a fact that most of the v.i.ps, *cough*vx unicom *cough* act like thay are vets since thay have v.i.p ship.

Bob~Marley4004
03-16-2004, 03:37 PM
yeah !
som VIPS do think they r vets ! its not all about perks :biggrin:

Nferno666
03-16-2004, 07:14 PM
No one "deserves" to be a VIP. First, how do you define how someone deserves to be one? TMyApp has set no guidelines for us to follow in this matter. No one deserves to be a VIP period. It doesn't work like that.

You just donate your $5+, and boom, instant VIP status. The person who donated doesn't deserve to be a VIP. He simply is one b/c he donated.

Like Nferno, I voted to do away with the whole SVIP system completely. But alas, tmy did not agree.

But there is a method to his madness.
agreed...and KKS..i i'll have to read that topic again but i never remember him saying no to the getting rid of the SVIP system :biggrin:

vx_unicom
03-17-2004, 04:33 AM
No one "deserves" to be a VIP. First, how do you define how someone deserves to be one? TMyApp has set no guidelines for us to follow in this matter. No one deserves to be a VIP period. It doesn't work like that.

You just donate your $5+, and boom, instant VIP status. The person who donated doesn't deserve to be a VIP. He simply is one b/c he donated.

Like Nferno, I voted to do away with the whole SVIP system completely. But alas, tmy did not agree.

But there is a method to his madness.
agreed...and KKS..i i'll have to read that topic again but i never remember him saying no to the getting rid of the SVIP system :biggrin:
Well some people do deserve to be VIP.. ???

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-17-2004, 03:09 PM
Man..!!! :angry: ppl have been spaming....but oh well :alien: about no one deserves to be vip's.......ill have to say 83% yes to that......?!? :angryfire:

vx_unicom
03-17-2004, 05:57 PM
vx unicom, chicken wing was not getting off topic at all. He was stateing a fact that most of the v.i.ps, *cough*vx unicom *cough* act like thay are vets since thay have v.i.p ship.
For ur own information abc i'm not acting like a VET, this topic has nothing to do with being a VET ur always getting off topic. I've been reading ur posts.....which are way off topic?!??? Even though some Admins didn't deserve to be Admins or MOds who never post at all.........I'm always Active on this forum!!! Anyways that has nothing to do with this Topic. There is nothing wrong with this whole VIP issue, so ppl stop insulting some VIPs and calling them names. :angry: :angryfire:

blanka09
03-17-2004, 06:29 PM
Even though some Admins didn't deserve to be Admins or MOds who never post at all.........I'm always Active on this forum!!!
Whoa whoa man.. I know that had nothing to do with the topic.. but you must realize one thing. You haven't been here long enough to determine or conclude that there are in fact some Mods or Admins who don't deserve to be ranked at that level.. If in fact ur hypothesis is correct, that sorta judgement isn't one that should be posted in this thread.. except you're gonna create a whole new thread about whether a mod is competent or not :biggrin:



Edited By blanka09 on Mar. 17 2004 at 21:30

abc123test
03-17-2004, 06:47 PM
lol, you need to read before you post as I was saying.


I am not calling v.i.p's names, were in my post did you see me do that? I am stateing a fact, taht most of the v.i.p's act like thay know all and have been here so long. I will quote that "MOST."

On to the mod/ admin matter, as blanka 09 has said you have not been here long and therfore you have no place to judge a mod/admin. I know what thay all have done for this community, take "Virus" for example. He bearly post or evean plays the game you know why he is a mod? He is haveing the "Globle Server" come from his home. That cost time and money alot of it also, that is helping out the community play the game with more servers and letting us have more fun. So as you can see knowlage is wisdom, and wisdom is knowlage.

As for the S.V.I.P it all comes down to money and it always will. More pepole sponcer the more thay donate, if no one got the perks I bet only 3% of this community would donate. Why you may ask?? Thay are reciving nothing that they do not already have. I mean look at the game I have seen v.i.ps that have never sighned up for this fourm, at all. Why do thay donate? so thay can have the perks it is plain and simple.

and if you want to know the sorce of all this it is money and it will always be......

bluegoblin5
03-18-2004, 04:03 AM
im a vip in the game havent been on in like 2 months lol so whats up haha hows everyone doing :p :D

bluegoblin5
03-18-2004, 04:04 AM
oh and i payed 50 dollars so u know

vx_unicom
03-18-2004, 04:58 AM
oh and i payed 50 dollars so u know
ur dude first of all u dont double post and second of all it doesn't really make a difference how much u donated. People like this dude showing off that he donated more money is a sign of ignorance, so they start to get off Topic. By the way blanka i'm not the one who started talking about ADMINs and MODS its abc. PEOPLE just don't get it, this Topic is dedicated to the name VIP, some ppl are off Topic saying some VIPs are in it for perks......blah..blah.....blah, thats way off Topic, who deserve to be VIP, thats way off Topic as well,how much they donated all OFF TOPIC. This Topic says the name VIPs should be respected a little bit more, dont matter if some are in it for perks, etc!! ???

abc123test
03-18-2004, 12:18 PM
lol vx unicom, if you didn't know every thing has to do with how much money you donated. If you re read the topic I brought up the fact abiut mods and admins for a EXAMPLE. Go and look read it you are the one who turned it into more then a example. lol so go back and look before you type..



Edited By abc123test on Mar. 18 2004 at 15:18

Nferno666
03-18-2004, 07:11 PM
enough bitching already...this topic has gone to far involving the activity of the mods/admins

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-21-2004, 08:50 AM
Thats enough ppl..!! :angryfire: I made this topic so you can write what you think about vip's and their respect..But instead ppl come here and talk about things that dont even come close to this topic...... ???

Only post here if youhave something to say about vips..!!



Edited By (ShinKu_Ryu) on Mar. 21 2004 at 11:58

EvilAkuma
03-21-2004, 12:30 PM
PPl don't care about the community i bet 90% ppl that are asking to be sponsor are after evil ryu and symbonitize sp

Angel-Eyes
03-21-2004, 12:51 PM
i think that people who donate should be called "donaters"

and the people who are very imporant should be called vip

vx_unicom
03-21-2004, 01:05 PM
i think that people who donate should be called "donaters"

and the people who are very imporant should be called vip
This topic is closed again!! :angry:

Roll
03-21-2004, 01:09 PM
But kester, then there would have to be a way to tell who is truely very important and who is not. And what in the world could decide that? A persons character? That's a little long-winded, if you think about it; and intelligence doesn't make a person important either.



[quote]PPl don't care about the community i bet 90% ppl that are asking to be sponsor are after evil ryu and symbonitize sp

(ShinKu_Ryu)
03-21-2004, 02:50 PM
This topic is closed cause ppl are to immature....vx said its closed.