I don't understand this. - The names in CvSNK2 don't seem right...

[Dan Hibiki]

I mentioned in an earlier post that I was out of the Street Fighter games for a while due to circumstances beyond my control. I have a Japanese version of Capcom vs. SNK 2 for the Dreamcast, but some things don't seem right. Some of the names are mixed up (or so it seems).

Vega's name is Balrog.
Balrog's name is M. Bison.
M. Bison's name is Vega.

Did I miss a major part of the storyline? Are they supposed to be mixed up like this? I'd look in the manual if I could, but that was lost (I got this game second-hand from my older brother). Ryu and Ken seem older, so I suppose that this game happens (separate storyline) around the time of Street Fighter III. Please fill me in if you can.

[Selvin]

That is right. America just put there own twist on the game.

i have the same thing i think it is beacuse you got it off the net or a you got it from a frined who got it off the net ok

[Dan Hibiki]

MASTERMAX, this was purchased before it was released in America. I would never download games for the DreamCast, so don't assume that again. If I can find the game for real, I buy it. I also purchased MvC2, and I am searching for Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike.

But Selvin, does that mean that those names were always like that in Japan? That, during translation, the translators just felt that the names needed to be mixed up?

[Selvin]

Yeah. You are reading the original Japenese names.

[steventhebol]

Where do you live that you cant find Capcom vs. Snk2 in American style. I have found some English/American versions of the game at a nearby Wal-Mart and in Funcoland in Maryland. Do you have a Funcoland near you?

[Selvin]

Umm, just wondering. Have any of you ever been inside an actually arcade with only arcade games, because if you play at a Wal-Mart, do you get to play good people??

[steventhebol]

Quote: from Selvin on 6:27 pm on Dec. 31, 2001
Umm, just wondering. Have any of you ever been inside an actually arcade with only arcade games, because if you play at a Wal-Mart, do you get to play good people??

Actually, Selv I used to go to a arcade in this mall called security square until it burned down in the 90's *fury thought* but Ive never had nor played Capcom vs. SNK2 because i wanted another game called Max Payne and I got it along with Metal Gear solid 2: Sons of Liberaty, Jak and Daxter, Tony Hawk pro skater 3, and Final Fanatasy 10 (quite a line up dont you think)

[Selvin]

First off it is S-E-L-V-I-N, not S-E-L-V. Sorry, but it jsut ticks me off. When I mean an arcade, I don't mean one in a mall, I mean a building that has strictly only arcade games.

[Dan Hibiki]

Nonono, steventhebol. It was purchased before it was released in America. My older brother was impatient and ordered it from Japan. The announcer is always speaking English, the names are in English, but basically all of the other text is in Japanese Kanji and Katakana (two of the Japanese alphabets).

Selvin, it isn't in the arcades where I am, either. There isn't even a dedicated building for arcades around here (of this I am sure). My brother is pretty good, though... even though I beat his Shin Gouki (S. Gouki in the game) with Dan Hibiki. I guess he needs to work on his Gouki skills... he kills me with everybody else, though. Dang, is it hard to get the Shun Goku Satsu to work on the controller!

Anyways, when I said that I beat Shin Gouki with Dan before, that was the case. I am working on beating the CPU max level Shin Gouki with Dan, but... *painful thoughts flash through mind* it isn't working so far. He is so insanely powerful when he shows up at the end of the game (weighted fight). His 33-hit Shun Goku Satsu kills you no matter what, his throws take off half your life, and no matter what the difficulty is set to he fights at the maximum level!

Needless to say, it hurts.

[Selvin]

HOLY SHIT!!! I though you played crappy in the game and got Shin Akuma on his weak form, but why in #### would you try your hardest and take on Shin (God) Akuma??? The guy is like Akuma + Geese + Evil Ryu!!! He has double fireballs and that Raging Demon, the first time I saw it I cried. Basically this guy is using Dhalsim. Wipes the floor with Shin Akuma. Shin Akuma is half strength and Dhalsim is like a 99%. So Shin Akuma does the Raging Demon from across the screen. Now we all know in alpha he does 3/4 of the screen, but not100% of it. So as a joke he makes Dhalsim taunt, because he know Shin Akuma can't touch him... What happens... The ten symbol and Dhalsim at like 0-9%. Shin Akuma in that game is dangerously strong. The guy makes Geese look like a hand puppet.

[Dan Hibiki]

I know it! It was hard enough just getting to him... I had to get perfects on almost all of the people (I guess, that was the only special thing that I saw). I got Shin Gouki with a Dan/Ken/Evil Ryu team on the hardest level. I'm just not satisfied unless I fight on the hardest level. That fight was insane! I was using a custom groove (concentrating on running chain combos combined with dodging and the "P" groove meter), and if I had not used that groove, I would have been toast.

Dan took off about one-third of Shin Gouki's life (don't ask me how; I still don't fully understand). I then performed the Chouhatsu Densetsu (the only super move that is a taunt). Shin Gouki did not approve of this and toastied Dan with a super move (Gouki dropped from above, striking Dan down with one blow) that I did not know the name for.

Ken was next up, and had more luck than Dan. Whenever I thought I had Shin Gouki with a good attack, he amazed me with his assortment of attacks. I took half of his life away, then he knocked me senseless, dizzying me. He then used the Shun Goku Satsu, and Ken was overkilled.

Evil Ryu vs. Shin Akuma... now that was a great, intense fight. I wish I could have recorded that, just to look back on it and say: "WHAT?? HOW'D I DO THAT?" It was back and forth for most of the fight (I took off some life, he took off the same amount of life with one attack). At the end, he had me very badly beaten and started the Shun Goku Satsu... so I countered with my Shinkuu Hadouken (I think). He fell down and went boom. I won (barely), and I now have Shin Gouki.

Now that I have him, I use him as my training partner in training mode. He is always set to the hardest difficulty, and it is very fun figuring out how to break his defense for a combo, rather than a single hit. Largest non-super combo I landed on him was seven hits from Ken.

[DX Zero]

whoa! i didnt read everything..so how do u get shin akuma??? whoa!!..u got cvssnk2 on DC? i thought it was on ps2..WHOA!! U didnt know the japanese names until now?? WHOA! answer my questions plz :)

[Onslaught]

Steventhebol, is the game Jax and Daxter good? It seemed to me the the characters looked cool and that the game play is similar to Croc, BanjoKazooie, etc. ;)

[Dan Hibiki]

I looked up how to get Shin Akuma after I got him (I wanted to be able to do it again if need be). Generally, you need to get first strike on all but six matches, get a score of 1,600 or higher, and/or get perfects on most of your matches. It doesn't matter what difficulty level it is set on (it really doesn't; he fights at the max level even if you have the game set to level 1).

Oftentimes when you beat the final match you see Rugal standing on the roof, then you fight him. If you've done it right you instead see Akuma's outline and Rugal's outline on the roof. Akuma kills Rugal, then becomes Shin Akuma. Defeat Shin Akuma (it really isn't easy) to make him selectable. You have more than one try, though; if it doesn't work with one team then select another.

I think that there are also two other secret characters (given the two other empty squares in the Training Mode select screen), but I don't know how to get them. I only look things up after I do them to verify that I know how I got it.

Next up, yes, CvSNK2 is on the Dreamcast. It wasn't advertised as being on it because they were also releasing it on the newer systems, just like how whenever a game for both the Playstation and the Nintendo64 came out, they only showed the Playstation graphics. It is basically the same as the PS2 version.

Finally, I didn't know the Japanese names until now because this was my first encounter with those names. Until CvSNK2 (Japanese version) I had only played American versions of the games.

Just one question for anybody who can answer it: what does the symbol on Shin Akuma's back mean? I know what Akuma's symbol means.

[Selvin]

Dan, nice info and questions (www.gamefaqs.com). Well still Shin Akuma is beatable, but I go with Geese, Rugal anybody, but him.

[Dan Hibiki]

What do you mean? Did you fight Geese at the end of the game? Geese challenged me before the final match, before I fought Shin Gouki. Geese took Dan apart, but was defeated by Ken.

Or did you mean that you would never use my team to fight Shin Gouki? Dan did manage to hurt him, even if it was just a little bit...

So the Kanji on Shin Gouki's back reads, "Man of God"? If that's the case, then his superiority complex has gone through the roof (not without good reason, though).

In my opinion, it seems like Capcom (who made CvSNK2) made the SNK characters worse than the Capcom characters. Ryo is slow as ####, Nakoruru is fast but weak (even with her sword), and Rugal is a very unimpressive boss. Geese is the only person that can take out my first person, SNK-characterwise.

[Selvin]

There is like a 50% chance I think then you can face Geese or Shin Akuma, but Shin Akuma is faster and Geese is stronger. That is why I would rather fight Geese, but the bad thing is though if he hits a Ratio 1 person 4 times there are most likely dead.

[Dan Hibiki]

I don't play ratio mode. I fight 3 on 3 or single matches.

You can't tell me that Geese is stronger than Shin Gouki1 When Geese throws me, it takes off about 10% of my life. When Shin Gouki throws me, it takes off 50% of my life. In 3 on 3 matches, you could be hit three to five times (depending on the moves) and you'd be dead. Geese doesn't come close. Geese's super moves take off about 50% of my life. Shin Gouki's supers kill me if it touches me... period.

Immediately before the final fight, every time, somebody challenges me. The first few times it was Vega (M. Bison in the U.S.). When I became better at the game Geese started to challenge me then. Same deal at the end; Rugal usually challenged me after the last fight, but then Shin Gouki started to as I got better.

I fought both Geese and Shin Gouki in the same run (both of them were... not nice to Dan). The way you type it, it seems that it is different in the arcades, which just doesn't make sense. Facing secret opponents on the DC is based on how well you fight, so if you suck big-time you don't fight Vega (M. Bison), Geese, Rugal, Gouki (sometimes just normal Gouki challenges you at the end), or Shin Gouki. I can only assume that there are two other secret characters.

[Selvin]

Are you talking about God Geese?? The one who throws Akuma's body away as his starting pose and his clothes are ripped?? I am talking about his super. Let him do that on Dhalsim. Dear god that is ugly.

[Dan Hibiki]

God Geese? That's news to me. I guess I need to get better at the game, seeing as I have never been challenged by him. I was talking about just plain, ordinary Geese. You never said you were talking about his super... so who would the other secret character be? God Rugal?

That's just wrong, though, making it so that Shin Gouki isn't the ultimate fighter. SNK doesn't deserve to have the strongest character in the game.

Just on a side note, I played as Ryo in training mode, and now I see the resemblance between Ryo and Dan Hibiki.

[Selvin]

Okay you know how well you play determines how strong the boss is. Basically just do the same thing you did to get Shin Akuma and then pray that the computer chooses God Geese. Oops I don't know where I was at, I mean it is God Rugal, not God Geese, sorry about that. Well still just pray that the computer chooses Shin Akuma instead of God Rugal.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/file/capcom_vs_snk_2.txt

This URL should prove that I am right. Just go to the bottom of the page for the boss section and it should say there.


(Edited by Selvin at 3:11 pm on Jan. 1, 2002)

[Dan Hibiki]

Uh, Selvin, it doesn't work. GameFAQs doesn't let you directly link to the FAQ sheets (at least, that's what it says).

I went back and played CvSNK2 some more, and determined that the groove that you use is what determines your boss that you battle. I used the C-groove (Capcom grooves) and encountered God Rugal (SNK character). I used my Ex-2 groove (Below SNK grooves) and encountered Shin Gouki (Capcom character). Anyways, God Rugal was a royal wimp. Using Ken, I kicked his butt all around the stage like he wasn't controlled by anyone or anything; the poor loser didn't know what hit him. What a disappointment. I'll take Shin Gouki over God Rugal for a challenging training partner anyday. Too bad I don't have a digital camera, or I'd post the massacre of God Rugal.

Anyways, I suppose Rugal took Gouki's powers somehow, becoming God Rugal (once again, I can't read Japanese). I say this because he has the teleport and the Shun Goku Satsu (15-hit, deals as much damage as the 33-hit of Shin Gouki). Also, God Rugal doesn't toss Shin Gouki aside at the start of the battle, he tosses normal Gouki (next time you see it, note the red hair; Shin Gouki has white). Shin Gouki could kick God Rugal's butt no problem.

(Edited by Dan Hibiki at 6:57 pm on Jan. 1, 2002)

[DX Zero]

man hope cvssnk2 on DC releases in America soon.. havent played cvssnk1 in ages lol.. o and did u know Rock Howard is Geeses son? lol um...hes tight

[Dan Hibiki]

Rock? I only use a couple of the SNK characters, and he isn't one of them. steventhebol said that he saw some American versions in Funcoland and Walmart.

My rating
Graphics: 10 (SFIII-style, rather than SFA style)
Gameplay: 10
Sound FX: 10
Voice Acting: 10 (more variety in battle voices)
Soundtrack: 10 (especially the final battle with the boss)
Replay-ability: 10 (you can make your own groove)
Overall: 10

Selvin, just wondering... who on earth do you use when you fight God Rugal?? I have more trouble beating Dan Hibiki (CPU for him in the game is bad) than beating God Rugal.

My favorite teams:
Dan/Hibiki/Ryo
Ken/Ryu/Gouki
Ken/Dark Ryu/Gouki
Hoahmaru/Nakoruru/Hibiki (all have weapons)
Ryo/Ryu/Dark Ryu
Ryo/Dan/Ryu
Shin Gouki/Gouki/Dark Ryu (all dark powers)

Note the general emphasis on Shotokan-related martial arts.

[DX Zero]

umm Rock is in the game, i saw it in one of my magazines... he has the same moves as Geese too.. but i dont know if the names different in the Jap. version

[Dan Hibiki]

I know he's in the game with the same name (Vega, M. Bison, and Balrog's names are the only different names), seeing as I've kicked his butt before. I just don't use him. SNK-wise, I stick to Ryo, Terry, Hoahmaru, Nakoruru, and Hibiki.

[Selvin]

Well I just will tell you my starter and that is why I have so much trouble with God Rugal... Dhalsim.

[Dan Hibiki]

Use a fast fighter instead. Dhalsim is slow as ####, and would get stomped by God Rugal. I suggest Ken, Ryu, Gouki, Dark Ryu, or Nakoruru. Don't use Shin Gouki against him unless you are really good with him (Shin Gouki takes serious damage).

If using Dark Ryu, Gouki, or Shin Gouki, counter-teleport when God Rugal teleports. Roll (or dodge) when God Rugal uses the Shun Goku Satsu or his dashing-slam-you-into-the-wall super (I made up that name myself). For Gouki/Shin Gouki, use the aerial fireballs each time you jump (forwards or backwards). The best super move for each character against God Rugal is:

Ken: Shoryu Reppa
Ryu: Metsu Shoryuken (?)
Dark Ryu: Shinkuu (?) Tatsunamisenpuukyakuu
Gouki: Messatsu Go Shoryu
Shin Gouki: That drop down from above thing
Nakoruru: That hawk attack thing where it dives at him

Basically, quick is the key, and Dhalsim doesn't cut it.

[Selvin]

If you speak of quickness, why is Ryu up there?? He is slower then Ken and Ken is barely as fast as Akuma. BTW Ryu has the Shin Shoryuken in the game I think.

[Dan Hibiki]

Ryu's there because I kicked God Rugal's butt with him. He's just the odd-one out when it comes to speed. He does have the down to forward, down to forward + 2K super in CvSNK2, though, and it deals more damage than in SFA3.

[transgressor01]

Dan Hibiki, my freind has the game your lookin for ill talk to him and maybe you can work somethin out...ok..ok

my friend bought snk v.s. capcom 2. he let my other friend borrow it. my other friend said they were cheating on that game. 1 regular punch would take away half your life.

[Dan Hibiki]

Number 1: That isn't cheating. They are supposed to be that strong. Do you think that Shin Gouki and God Rugal are supposed to give you a little tap on the shoulder?

Number 2: That isn't right. You lose half your life if either one throws you. You just die straight-out if you get hit by an unblocked super. A regular punch (meaning a MP) makes you lose about 1/8 of your life.

Number 3: If they weren't so strong, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting. Shin Gouki is strong anyways. Tell your friend that he shouldn't complain about the difficulty. Those two final bosses are supposed to be above all other fighters. I beat God Rugal with just Ken, though...

[DX Zero]

I played c vs snk today and man rugal hes... .. lol not as bad as geese but he does his slam and his super all the time.. took me a few games to beat him.. .. GOD! i want c vs snk 2 !!