Tmyapp: what to do about the rank system - Are you going to change the rank system

Are you and will you change the rank system in the immediate future. I'm saying this because i see all these great ideas on how to handle and go about changing the rank system, some of them seem to work and make sense, since as eliminating the noobie-killing, creating incentives for people to fight, and keeping people who are good in the top ranks, and those who are not, let them keep trying. and if these ideas dont work, then you can always go back to the original rank system.

[crashbomber]

hey i hope he does some thing obout that danm rank system cause i had 39 then i didnt play for like 3 days and it went down to 200 :angryfire:

[FIREYE-00]

You have to keep up with the other players dude.

nah do not change the ranking system....i like the way it is damnit noooooooo :)

[TarkanX]

If you want points so badly, go to weekly tournaments that KKS holds.

*newbie was challenged by top 10 player who fights newbies all day and all night and has no life*

[SuperSonicX]

Well i think rank dosent matter..its all about skill..join tornament's and get bragging rights by winning..skill over rank is what i say.

[lordgrobyc']

Yeah i agree with super sonic x. Like ive said a million times, why change the ranking system? Skill is what matters and not ranking.

*cant sleep so decides to post at 4:00 a.m.*lol

[machine1]

i do not think rank matters but i do think that the ranking system is screwed up.It should be fixed.Especially the wins and loses thing,i am100% sure that mine is wrong! :angryfire:

[VIRUS]

Yeah im not that crazy about the rank system but i guess its all we got right now I agree with SSX though.

My record suuucks i think i almost have as many wins as i have losses BUT i except everybody's challenge n00bs, players, tag, handicapped matches, vets i dont care as long as I fight my record consits of glitches and freezes as well. i dont understand how some ppl can go 80- 0 I mean i play my first ten games with the reset records and without a doubt i will run into a frozen game or at the very least in tag when i lose a partner my other character cant throw projectiles or if its chun li i cant jump more than once which regularly she can jump up to three times. Or the character starts to freeze in the game and only a hit from my opponent can release me. I dunno im lucky that i choose a name with and I in it because i can copy it with a lower case L and start with a new record.

[Dj_Plita]

i think the ranking system needs a little change but i was thinking of something...it would be great if there would be signs to indicate the rank of the player ex:rank one should have in front of his name a sign like @....than till the 10th rank should whear the sign +...afterwards up to 50 *....than to 100 ! ...or some other signs to indicate their rank...cause it would be great to enter a server and see that u have a sign that says you are between 2..10...and the signs should have a different colour from the players names...so they wont change their names with the signs in front of their names.

[Troy88]

Skill is what matters and not ranking.

Oh, is that so? Is that why you all idolize Nferno666 and d148 so much?!? You people are such hypocrites. You say that rank doesn't matter, yet you worship the ####-killers with 500+ wins who are in the top 10.

How many times have I been in the game servers, and seen people say, "Nferno, fight me! d148, fight me, PLEASE! Just one game!" As soon as someone from the top 10 enters the room, everyone goes nuts, and starts spamming "(fill in the blank of the ####-killer here), let's fight" over and over.

If rank truly didn't matter, then why wouldn't people go nuts like that when other accomplished veterans enter the room, like KKS, 2000warrior, and many others?! I'll tell you why. Because you are all full of sh*t, and you know it. EVERYONE pays attention to the ranks, even the people that claim not to care.

Tarkan, you've made it pretty clear that you don't play for rank, and I respect you for it. However, I can say with a reasonable amount of confidence that there probably WAS a time when you actually did care about rank, and wanted to demonstrate your skill to everyone. You were a nobody just like everyone else at one time, I'm sure. But you've managed to make quite a name for yourself, through your past ranking, your tournament victories, and word of mouth. Now you are perhaps one of the most respected veterans in the game. You will go down as a legend in XMvsSF (online), no doubt. Now, having said all that, why would you care about rank? You have nothing to prove, as you are already considered a legend! I respect the fact that you don't fight for rank (anymore...?), but I find it unfair of you to belittle everyone else for trying to make a name for themselves.

I don't fight for rank, but not because I wouldn't like to be #1. It's simply because I don't have the time, or the patience to fight all day, killing #### after ####, which is essentially what the top ranked people have to do.

I think it's total BS that once you get a high rank, say #10, you get the same amount of points for beating #15 as you would for beating #9999. As the rank system stands now, in order to progress in the ranks quickly once you start get up pretty high, you are almost ENCOURAGED to fight and defeat ####s, as you will no doubt get your measly 10 points more quickly, and have less of a chance of losing. This is very frustrating for the people like myself that would like the rank system to represent the best in the game, and not the people who play the most.

You see, there are many, many players in this game. However, only about 200 or so are extremely active, and are competitive. The rest of the players simply either don't play very often, or else they will sit in the chat room, and spam. If you don't believe me, just look at the low, low ranks, and you will see that many of them haven't even played a total of 10 games. Now, out of these 200 people or so that compete for ranks, there is a certain notorious "group" (known as the "####-killers) that rather than fight the other 200 people that are competitive, who will most likely give them the best challenge, they instead challenge the nobodies that rarely ever play or just sit there and spam. Of course, the nobodies are more than happy to fight one of the great legendary "####-killers." Meanwhile, the people that make it a point to fight EVERYONE, vets and ####s alike, lose more frequently (due to an actual challenge being present), and therefore will not ever be ranked as high as the ####-killers. Does that seem fair?

There is nothing wrong with competition. Competition is fun. I think TMyApp knows this, and that's why he implemented the rank system in the first place. Wanting to have a high rank is no different than wanting to win a match. But there is nothing competitive about fighting non-competitive nobodies all day, just for the sake of having a high rank. And that is why I want to see the rank system changed.

BTW, I don't want to hear any bitching about the length of this post. If more people put thought into their posts like me, this forum would actually be interesting, and not just filled with spam like it is now.

[KidKrazyShit]

very VERY well put troy

[machine1]

no way im going to read all of what he wrote. troy must of been bored to write out all of that.

[Troy88]

Then maybe you could simply read the last paragraph:

BTW, I don't want to hear any bitching about the length of this post. If more people put thought into their posts like me, this forum would actually be interesting, and not just filled with spam like it is now.

This is a serious discussion, so if you don't have the attention span, or the intelligence to keep up with it, then take your useless, retarded spam posts somewhere else, n**b

[machine1]

1st of all i wasnt trying to spam 2nd i am not a noob

[DanYankees]

troy, i totally agree with you on every thing you said.

[VIRUS]

Well put but i just have one problem with it..

These #### killers you have chosen to present as an example are not the ones I would have. I guess you have never lost or had a good game against either one of them. Sure they play alot of ##### but nferno in particular plays everyone.

a n()()b killer to me is one that knows who the noobs are and preys on them denying anyone who presents a challenge.

[Troy88]

I will admit, Nferno is one of the very best. However, there are a few that are right up there with him as far as skill level. Should he remain at #1 at all times, just because he plays the game more than everyone else? I think not. Same goes for d148. He's a good player and all, but certainly not #1 material. But as long as people like him are around, you'll never see the top spot, not the way the system stands now. And you have to admit, there are an awful lot of no-talent noob-killers hogging up the top ranks.

[[-tacobueno]

very true.

[Luna]

very true troy, i used to care about rank as well in the past, but i also fought for fun, when i first got to the top 100 i was so happy, cuz i thought that i was pretty good, so then i worked harder fighting, and no i didnt kill #####, cuz i was one as well, and then when i became a very great fighter, i made it to rank one, but then a few hours, it was taken away from me by people such as d148, d148 as troy said isnt #1 material. ive beaten the guy 5 times, but after making it to rank 1 after a few times, it started to become pointless, why become rank 1 if your just going to have some #### killer come right up and outrank you. sure its nice to enjoy the spotlight for a lil bit, but im over that, i dont fight for rank anymore, i fight for fun, and when i see a friend such as shaka82 in the servers, i or he challenges me to a fight and we fight for fun, it doesnt matter how many losses i have, nothing big. but i am totally not a #### killer. and i dont play all the time, the last time i fought was earlier today in a chun vs. chun match against gothicarchangel, which i might add, i got my ass kicked bad :D and before that i havent fought only once just to test somebody who wanted to join my clan, and that i havent fought since WT6 not much. there isnt really any point to what im talking about. but im just trying to say that im not the type of person who trys ot make it to rank 1, i mean the highest i have prolly gotten was rank 18 in like 1-2 months.

[TarkanX]

Well that's very put Troy, your right I was a nobody when I first played this game. I had a record of 46-26 and I was in 46th place, to my amazement I was yelliing like a lunatic, because I'm probably going to be first at something for the first time in my life.

I beat people like CptnAmerica, he was amazed that I beat him(even though he registered like 4 days before I did). I was in the top 10, then I fought Lefty. It was a test of battle, he beat me, then I beat him. After Necro's tourney, I just went on a rampage, and just kept playing the game, day and night like Nferno did.

After the first top scores, I thought I was the best, but it took me to the middle of the second top scores(around early november) to realize that ranks didn't mean anything. I didn't play for ranks for a while, but when the score was about to end, I just came surging back(I wanted everyone, every generation to know the name "TarkanX"). I got first place, but in the 3rd ranks, for the early part I was on fire

I went like 400-5, then when jump lock came, my skill(*cough*) just went so much down. I relied on SJ's so much. I was getting surprised that ######s would beat me, even fear tetsuo, the person I trained in this online game beat me. From January to April, I just played for fun, if I lost, I was glad. But then suddenly, tension brewed up in my blood. I had that line in my head, everyone, every generation should always know the name TarkanX. I kept fighitng like a mad man, day, and night. but then Suddenly on the last day, PRO gets 10,000 points in one day. I didn't care, I got 2nd. So I finally said to myself, who cares if people know me or don't know me. The only thing that matters is I did my part.

*It's like how in basketball, Julius Erving(Dr. J) passed on his skills to Magic Johnson and Larry Byrd, and they passed their skills to Micheal Jordan, then Micheal Jordan passed down his skills to Kobe Bryant, and Allen Iversion*

*But in this sense, Lefty passed his skills down to me(sort of, not training wise), and I passed down my skills to many other people, and they passed down their skills to other people, even if I still play(even if I don't have the same calibur as I used to), I just play for whatever reason*

Anyways.... On the 4th rank, I went like 50-70, or something like that, Sent then got added, and I finally was good again(some of the "skill" I used to have was brought back to me). Anyways, I dind't play much, just twice a day, when the rank endings neared, I played a lot, probably like 10 games a day, even though thats not a lot. I wanted to prove a point to everyone that rank was bad, but no one could listen. I ended up getting 7th, but it didn't matter, for the rank system gone corrupt.....



Anyways Troy, I REALLY agree with you, but it's useless... you can't change it. You have to change 100,000+ peoples minds. And I doubt anyone here could do that. I try a lot of times, but people always spam the chat.... let it go by, if you don't like the rank, just ignore it, and stop complaining(even though you didn't somewhat).

[Troy88]

Yeah, you are probably right...but the person I REALLY wanted to convince was TMyApp, and he hasn't even so much as looked at my idea in the new features section (it sat there for like 3 weeks), and now it's a dead thread.

[VIRUS]

wait wait wait...I still dont get this in other words you want to stay on top even if youre not active?

I admit there are alot of noob killers around but im here mainly just to play the game I used to want to be number one but ive never gotten there I wanted to but I just dont play for that anymore.

In any on-line game if you snooze you lose so i dont blame ppl who have good skills playing anyone they want AS many times as they want I dont like noob killers (as defined before) but you should not blame ppl who are good and just put more time into the game.

I mean if youre good you can move up the ladder pretty fast also by playing a decent amount of good players (if they accept which is another subject all together) and a good amount of ##### or players (which can be a disguised challenge). Anyways I have come to terms with this because in any other system the same thing would happen. People here know each other there are clans here as well if a number one contender was to keep number one without having to play whats to stop him from just helping ppl he likes to stay at the top.

Tark speaking of that when i first got here the top ten was cluttered with a certain group you know who I speak of names consisting of you, profe$$or, fear_tetsuo, austin or whichever name they choose to use as well as others clouded the top. I would come in as DaPrototype and NONE of you ever excepted my challenge as well as anyother newcomers but when one of the top ten would show up "hey tetsuo how about a game" "oh sure tark" hmmm this to is a problem that happens here as well and in any system no matter what it is this will always happen.

[Troy88]

wait wait wait...I still dont get this in other words you want to stay on top even if youre not active?

*sigh* No, no, no. You've misunderstood me. Of course you shouldn't stay on top for being inactive. If you're ranked #1, and someone else comes along and beats all of the best players in the game more frequentley than you do, of course they should take your spot.

I don't totally hate the rank system. It works well for someone trying to work their way up. But what about once you start to actually get near the top? What then? Then ever person you face will give you a measly 10 points, regardless of their ranking, regardless of how tough they were to beat.

Example: You are ranked #50. You go to fight the #15 person (who just for the sake of the example, is very tough to beat), and you give it everything you've got, and you manage to win. You get his points minus your points, divided by 2. That's fine, and seems perfectly fair to me. After all, you should get a reward for beating someone ranked higher than you. Now, let's say later on, through, you managed to get to #10. You go to fight the #15 person once again. As before, he gives you a tough match, but you still manage to beat him. But this time, you get a whopping 10 points. He's every bit as hard as he was before, and you practically get nothing for it! In fact, there was a good chance that he would have beaten you, and taken 10 points from you. This encourages noob-killing, because once you've reached the top 10, everyone you beat will give you the same amount of points.

Now, I'm not suggesting anything drastic. You shouldn't get a huge reward for beating someone ranked under you, not by any means. If that is what you thought I was trying to imply, then you would have been right, that would be unfair. Being more active than someone else should definitely pay off, especially if you are fighting the higher ranked people.

However, I do think that beating #15 should be worth more than beating #9999. Nothing too drastic, just an extra little bonus. I think that the bonuses should go like this:

For beating ranks: You get an additional:
51-100 10 points
26-50 20 points
11-25 30 points
1-10 50 points

If this were to be implemented, I wouldn't see anything unfair about it at all. You would still get WAY more points for beating someone ranked higher than you (his points minus your points, divided by 2), but it would also give you a small reward for beating the people that are the most active and competitive (the top 100), who are ranked under you, instead of just noobs.

The system should remain exactly the way that it is now, with the exception of the bonuses. The bonuses wouldn't drastically change things, or make things unfair (because they aren't substantial in the first place), but they would be enough to give the top ranking people some incentive to play you, and other skilled fighters, instead of just noobs.

If you don't completely understand my idea, click on the link in my sig, and you will see a more detailed explanation, as well as a poll to vote on the idea (whether it's a good idea or not). As of right now, I think the results of the vote speak for themselves. 12 people like it, 1 person dislikes it.