Petition - To Whom Ever It May Concern

[Selvin]

As you all know from the first day you guys came here it has gotten way worst in many ways. With lag, wussies, newbies and the horrible high score settings I have organized a group of people that have signed a petition in support for my cause. We demand: 1) High Score to be changed back to its original setting 2) We vote on MODs 3) Change the servers to rooms that can be created by useres 4) Privaitizing the game due to the fact alot of dumbass or doing nothing and overcrowding the servers. I think these are all reasonable. Negotiation is open. Anybody may join our cause.

[Warmor]

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[Selvin]

The PM I sent you. UGH, great start Warmor.

[Warmor]

Quote: from Selvin on 9:45 pm on Dec. 22, 2001
The PM I sent you. UGH, great start Warmor.

Haha I know I do remember the PM, I just didn't know how you would approach anything...remember what I told you? And you can't do anything about lag really and the user making his own room option would take some work and I think he allready has plans for it?

[Selvin]

Well I have beenn speaking of this for about 4 months.

[Jr]

I AGREE, if we do reach the goals for which we ask for.......this place should become a more enjoyable experience for those xvssf fans & would put those dumbasses noob's where they belong, away from those who actually want to play the game.

(Edited by Jr at 10:06 pm on Dec. 22, 2001)

[TarkanX]

Nice petition Selvin, just make a website for it.

[Jr]

more supporters would really help us out.......:wink:

c'mon people......these things that we ask for are only for the betterment of the game

A website would be more useful.

(Edited by Jr at 10:18 pm on Dec. 22, 2001)

[Selvin]

You and TarkanX must work together, because you both asked me for the same thing and I shall comply. I am making a site with screens of the stuff that should me fixed, but of course screens from you guys would make it so much better.

[Dan Hibiki]

As I said before in that PM, I'm in.

Regarding those chat rooms overcrowded by newbies, how about a sort of instant messenger (like AOL or MSN) but for the game? Conversations can be private, and you don't have to tolerate the common newbie phrases such as "i'll kik ur ass" and such.

I'm not bitching. I am indicating changes that could help.

[Nferno666]

i helped u with screen shots before and i can do it again if u want me too
:)

[xUMJx]

All yawl mutha fuckers can do is wine? That's all yawl do. LIl did yawl know, App already tryin to do all that shit! so will you shut the fuck up and wait!

[Dan Hibiki]

Hypocrite. Look at what you typed... very carefully... about others bitching...

[108-1022790901]

a petition?? LOL

what do you think this is, green peace?

It's a game, it's still in beta, it's being developed as we speak, it has bugs that we're working on.

Get over it!

[Myst3K]

The game doesn even have all the characters ready, id you dont like the gameplay, and its not enjoyable, DONT PLAY. Id like to see you make a game close to this, AND be the only person working on it.

[Zing79]

I shall quote this again :biggrin:

"This is the united states of TMyApp, he is the president, he is the emperor, he is the king. Hes michalel jackson, and your Tito"

Never spread a petetion, maybe you can do that in "Hadou Planet", but that'll get your ass killed here.

- Chris Tucker -


(Edited by Zing79 at 12:52 pm on Dec. 23, 2001)

Well pointed out Zing. I just love Rush Hour.

[Dan Hibiki]

<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>But I like a democracy... I feel so... insignificant.</span>

[TMyApp]

petition? selvin.... this is bitching of the highest order!

1st and final warning.... (even thought u HAVE been warned b4.. this is the 1st time i'm doing it since the rules have been posted)

[Token]

Quote: from TMyApp on 1:58 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
petition? selvin.... this is bitching of the highest order!

1st and final warning.... (even thought u HAVE been warned b4.. this is the 1st time i'm doing it since the rules have been posted)

i signed on because the scores being changed back was in it, at least do that. even if you get rid of it, that would make the score board actualy matter.

[shaba]

I agree with u Selvin, It should be privitised and a voting system for mods is a good idea.....
But Im not sure with that Age limit idea

[Zing79]

a piece of advice comming from a mod...

run away from this topic as if it were the plague. All ppl who are associated with this thing HAVE ignored the post I made not 2 days ago about bitching...TMyApp himself has told you that.

You have ALL been warned, and trust me when I say ppl will learn a lesson from this post.

RUN AWAY! :biggrin:

[Akuma]

I would agree with all this if we were paying to play this game. But that's just the thing. We're not. Ok, Someone takes time out of his life to make a game for us, and doesn't ask anything in return. And we all don't have fiber optics yet, so lag will always be there. Also, it takes a month for a new character to come out, and considering how much coding is involved, (and i asume that TMy is the only one actually coding this game) I think we're #### lucky to get characters at this pace. High scores are cool and all, but they're not that important. Not as important as playing the actual game and having fun. Which is what this is supposed to be all about. Now i'm not trying to fight, cuz most of you are all cool with me, but instead of worrying about the bad things about this game, mayber we should apreciate the fact that 1. We have the game period. and B. It gets updated very regularly with our (the players) suggestions and comments taking into consideration.

I guess alls i'm trying to say is apreciate this game as if it won't be here tomorrow.

[Token]

Quote: from Zing79 on 6:32 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
a piece of advice comming from a mod...

run away from this topic as if it were the plague. All ppl who are associated with this thing HAVE ignored the post I made not 2 days ago about bitching...TMyApp himself has told you that.

You have ALL been warned, and trust me when I say ppl will learn a lesson from this post.

RUN AWAY! :biggrin:


the ####?

you realize how FUCKED that sounds? jesus, zing, he ISNT bitching.

"GIVE ME THIS BLA MOTHER FUCKING BLA" is bitching, formalizing a group of people to help make a request become more noticed IS NOT bitching. you wanna do your job as a mod? warn those who actualy bitch, not people who want something done, and decide requesting it in a GROUP is better than several pleas from single people. i realize selvin said demand, and that was really stupid of him, but if my instincts are right he doesnt actualy mean that....ugh.

Reasons why mods (and tmyapp) should not have to put up with petitions:

1) Bitching: As tmy has clearly pointed out, petitions are and will be used as a form of bitching. People could and will bitch about anything they want (a group of ryu lovers might make a petition to get rid of wolverine for example).

2) Newbies: Real hardcore newbies might get the idea that petitions are okay and start making them for some real dumb ideas (a petition to add every character ever thought of in the entire streetfighter series for example).

3) Demands: If non-mods start getting the feeling that they have more than the power of suggestion they have too be 2pid. Think about it, you cannot "demand" anything at all in the game. This is tmy's free time and not his job, you are not his customers.

4) Rivalry: Simply put, speaking out against a popular petition (what I'm doing :biggrin:) can, and undoubtedly will turn people in the game against each other.

5) Time: The mods have enough to do without dealing with petitions. I'm sure every mod as well as tmy has a life which is not focused around an online game. Petitions ALWAYS require more work for the mods just by reading it.

I don't know if the mods and tmy hold all of these concerns, but you (for all non-mods) should consider these concerns before you go around making a petition for ANY reason.

[Token]

Quote: from 2000warrior on 9:55 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
Reasons why mods (and tmyapp) should not have to put up with petitions:

1) Bitching: As tmy has clearly pointed out, petitions are and will be used as a form of bitching. People could and will bitch about anything they want (a group of ryu lovers might make a petition to get rid of wolverine for example).

2) Newbies: Real hardcore newbies might get the idea that petitions are okay and start making them for some real dumb ideas (a petition to add every character ever thought of in the entire streetfighter series for example).

3) Demands: If non-mods start getting the feeling that they have more than the power of suggestion they have too be 2pid. Think about it, you cannot "demand" anything at all in the game. This is tmy's free time and not his job, you are not his customers.

4) Rivalry: Simply put, speaking out against a popular petition (what I'm doing :biggrin:) can, and undoubtedly will turn people in the game against each other.

5) Time: The mods have enough to do without dealing with petitions. I'm sure every mod as well as tmy has a life which is not focused around an online game. Petitions ALWAYS require more work for the mods just by reading it.

I don't know if the mods and tmy hold all of these concerns, but you (for all non-mods) should consider these concerns before you go around making a petition for ANY reason.

and you should put more thought into your posts...

1) they are NOT used as a form of bitching. if someone went over the line and made it that, warnings should be given. you might want to think a little about that one.

2)it SHOULD be ok to make them! individual people can suggest things, but groups cannot? thats so god #### hypocritical i wont even go into detail, because anyone with half a fucking mind will realize what a petition is.

3)no, you cant, but a petition is a group of people all urning for a collection of ideas to be implemented and thought about. single people can do it, but groups cant. again, hypocritical.

4)rivalry is good. its a healthy form of competition, and if it gets out of hand, it can be delt with. people collect things, and challenge each other all the time, and if thats taken to the extreme, then so are punishments. simple soloution.

5)agreed, there busy, but i suppose tm has enough time to think about, and read 20 or so INDIVIDUAL posts about the same thing, eh? petitions help, here, and everywhere else. they arent causing damage, or causing any detrimental effects to this board. NONE. this post isnt bitching, nor is the petition.

if they share your opinions, they also need to rethink thing.

done and done.

[Zing79]

token for all the brains you supposedly have, maybe you shouldn't try and defend idiocy.

how many times has selvin posted THE SAME crap before?

if Tmy has ALREADY answered him, why cant he take a #### hint?

same goes for all of you...how many times do you have to say "the scoring system sucks", before you understand that ONCE is enough..

thats why this post is all about bitching...because you've asked this, and had it answered before...do you think because 10 of you got together it now makes it ok to bring up the same thing again?

the answer is NO...one topic for one complaint...its the rules...

do we understand each other now?

Quass you may continue.... :biggrin:
(this is coming from someone with ACTUAL computer skills, so enjoy)

[Token]

Quote: from Zing79 on 10:44 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
token for all the brains you supposedly have, maybe you shouldn't try and defend idiocy.

how many times has selvin posted THE SAME crap before?

if Tmy has ALREADY answered him, why cant he take a #### hint?

same goes for all of you...how many times do you have to say "the scoring system sucks", before you understand that ONCE is enough..

thats why this post is all about bitching...because you've asked this, and had it answered before...do you think because 10 of you got together it now makes it ok to bring up the same thing again?

the answer is NO...one topic for one complaint...its the rules...

do we understand each other now?

Quass you may continue.... :biggrin:
(this is coming from someone with ACTUAL computer skills, so enjoy)



no, zing, were FAR from an understanding. how can you defend what you just said? yes, they make multiple posts, which im against, but im arguing for petitions being allowed, as long as it isnt a demand like in this post. bitching not being allowed, sure, but youll NEVER, and shouldnt abolish peoples right to argue over some things, as long as it doesnt get out of hand.

and who said anything about these alleged brains? i certainly didnt.

(Edited by Token at 10:59 pm on Dec. 23, 2001)

[Quass]

ahem...

a few questions to start of this rebuttal...

IS THIS a democracy?
Do you (the person reading this post, with the views of selvin) know how to code shockwave?
Did you have the vision to create, and then the drive to follow through with this project?

if you answered no to ANY of the above questions.. then, what do you think the conclusion to your thoughts about this post should be?

hmmm... I dunno.. I think I have an idea, stop the bitching and complaining, or I'm sorry.. petitioning as you like to call it..

Tmy is a busy person, most of you probabaly being 14-18 years of age, males, and highschool students haven't the faintest idea of what an adult life entails, what with maintaining a productive career, and having time to do the things in which you enjoy.
Tmy seems to enjoy providing YOU (again the reader) with the privilage of playing this game that again.. HE is creating..
are you starting to understand what I'm hinting at?
HE is making the game, HE is coding it.. and it being HE means that it is ONLY him, as in one person.

Do you understand how much work goes into this?
Can you even Fathom? and now you come up with an idea that HE is not producing enough to keep you happy?
hmm.. something is wrong with that picture in my mind.

I hope you will please look at this and realise what he is doing, and stop acting like little children going along with they're mothers in a store.. "mommy I want this!"

and with that I'm done..
:)

[Token]

bitching and complaining? must i explain this AGAIN?!

jesus, you people dont listen. selvin made a horrible mistake wich spun this slew of requests (ie: petition; one where we want something sone so we say it collectivley as opposed to many, many individual pleas) into a downward spiral, resulting in the arguments before us. he could have made it much better, but didnt. this is what im defending, because the petitioning im in favor of does not involve demanding at all. its just a collective bunch requesting the same thing, and doing it in an organized way. i cant say the same for selvin's petition, but he had his heart in the right place.

you see, while your all talking about bitching, you have no fucking clue as to what i mean, so your rebuttles and fruitless attempts to refrute my arguments are pointless. you want bitching stopped? so be it, but you cant make a group of people post MANY times, so they each have a thing to say.

what fo you think a union is? they are trying to help the populous by requesting certain things, and being in a group does wonders. can you say thats wrong? i beg you to try. you see, the reason i speak with such malice IS NOT because i am in favor of repetitive posts, and such, but because that seems to be the only god #### way to get a simple responce.

blech, again.

[Zing79]

***Getting a headache...***

your over-reaching on this Token...you're getting confrontational with someone WELL beyond your education level...stick to trumping the n00bs, cause you're not gonna win this, or ANY conversation against me :biggrin:

and you wanna know why petitions shouldn't be allowed...

read Quass' post, and then come to the realization that TMyApp has ALREADY told you that, "this is bitching of the highest order!"

What does this look like, a court room? I fear this may go on forever with the result of token blowing a fuse and insulting the people he is speaking against. I don't want something like this to get one of our senior members banned. Please, just lock the topic, and token, please just give it up and quit responding.

[Token]

i may not win in an argument of wits, or anything, but if you want to argue about this, and try and win, unless you want to disregard logic, i wish you luck.

we dont know how to code...yeah, so? tm wants suggestions, and asks for them. whats wrong with doing it in an organized way?

if he wants our opinions, and will consider them, how can you not say its a democracy? the people here, for most things, are deciding what goes in. without our input, this game would be nothing. you know why? people want what they like, and tm is giving us just that.

the vision to create and follow through? that has absoloutly nothing to do with this. we didnt make the game, but our input means everything to the continuation of it, whether you wish to argue on that note or not. im a very stubborn person, and unless you refute every god #### thing i say, youll never beat me at this. ive found holes in your arguments, after im done with this post, find the ones in mine.

tm lays down the law, yes? yeah, for forum rules and such. he says what we can and cannot do, but hes outlawing something because of what selvin did. selvin went about it horribly, and i guarantee if i were the one who created this, there wouldnt be a single confrontation.

on quass' next piece, here...

most of us are still in school, and we dont have to work as much as an adult who lives on his own would...but again, that means nothing. this all goes back to how selvin worded his statement. when he demanded these things, he fucked himself over.

our petitions are wrong? how so? with anyone else in charge of it, we would have had a group of people asking for something, instead of wasting everyones time by posting it several times. but with the way it was worded, and the way it was gone about, it turned into a demand by the people involved. this, i did not sign up for. i signed up because i want the old rank system back, and were probobly not gonna get it.

if you want to keep arguing with me, you can, but you wont get anywhere until you can disprove everything ive said.

[Token]

Quote: from 2000warrior on 11:16 pm on Dec. 23, 2001
What does this look like, a court room? I fear this may go on forever with the result of token blowing a fuse and insulting the people he is speaking against. I don't want something like this to get one of our senior members banned. Please, just lock the topic, and token, please just give it up and quit responding.


why would i stop responding? nothing ive said has been disproved. zing wants to argue with me, so be it. the people against me, because thats what this is, ME, not the petition members, wont get ANYWHERE until they disprove the sheer LOGIC involved with what ive said. do you want me to lay it down in less redundant way?

i want the old scores back so i signed on.

selvin worded it horribly, and went about it wrong, so we have conflict.

people are taking the petition ideas WAY out of proportion.

simple as that.

Regaurding my post against petitioning: I posted what I had to say against petitioning in hopes to show why mods may not want to deal with petitions, to people like you who believe petitioning is right. I had no idea this would blow up into such a large debate, and have no intention of defending my beleifs. They're there to read, I don't need to continue to post them.

Regaurding Token: Token, I just don't want you getting banned. If you keep this up, zing or tmy or some other mod might see it as continued bitching and ban you. I don't want you, or Selvin, or any other seinor member for that matter, to get banned over a quarl you had with a mod/mods. If one of them does threaten to ban you in a post, I strongly urgue you to not argue back. Since your posts show that you do believe in the pursuit of logic, you obviously realize that becoming a maurter will not help your cause. Please, for your sake, accept authority.
ps: I'm glad that you hold your own beliefs and wish to defend them. The last thing we need is for everyone to have one opinion about everything.

[Zing79]

A petition by its very nature implies that you are seeking something which one of you could not get on your own by asking...

That is why it's considered bitching in this instance....
This topic is retarded...arguing with a 14 yr old is even MORE retarded when you're a PhD.

This thing dies here and now...TOPIC CLOSED!!