The general crapness of most people playing - What I hate.

[Dach]

Does anyone else here find that the majority of people just button mash when they play? Hitting any and every button they can all the time, constantly attacking and being general shits?
I hate that. It annoys me that some people can't play properly and think it's fun to button mash so the other person doesn't stand a chance without resorting to mashing levels themselves (which I REFUSE to lower myself to). Oh, and of course, throwing a hadoken every 2 seconds, and a Shinkuu-hadoken as soon as the announcer says, "level UP!" GGGNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGH-*pop*.

Okay, I just needed to get that off of my chest.

[EDIT - I've realised that this'll be WORSE when Cheeserine - oh, sorry, Wolverine - is unlocked. Ugh, GOD.]

(Edited by Dach at 12:55 pm on Aug. 19, 2001)

Maybe... you just can't play. So you are forced to take out your anger in words that are directed to the other people that can play correctly.

just kidding, i hate masher's also. That's why i can't wait for wolverine and sabretooth to be released. I can actually play well with them, and destroy the mashers. ::Glee::

[Tom]

Playing properly? Are you following invisible rules? I agree button mashers are annoying but they win because, unless your really good at fighting, it's a lot easier to be the attacker than the defender. You don't have to resort to button mashing, just understand that the most aggressive player usually wins.

[Necro2k1]

yep and if you were really good u wouldnt lose to them..... sounds to me like both of you (dach and boogie) are just whining.

and what is this game basically? pressing buttons to beat your challenger...... ....strategy?? I think not..... the only one there is a win. Even if u do have a strategy u probably find yourself not using it in the match. then u start crying that they were button mashing cuz they beat you??

Maybe you associate their uncanny ability to do combos and trow specials almost at once wthin combos in such as "button mashing" but I already said thats what this game is.

get real you are not the best so stop acting like you are some kinda elite non button presser that uses a well thought out srategy (and psycik powers if you not gonna press the buttons) to beat a challenger..........

bah to you

:: yep and if you were really good u wouldnt lose
:: to them..... sounds to me like both of you (dach
:: and boogie) are just whining.

whining?, well, I am good, I'm not the best, but i can hold my own. If you really wanna see how good I can be, Challenge me, i'll be more than happy to add another win under my belt.

:: and what is this game basically? pressing buttons
:: to beat your challenger...... ....strategy?? I
:: think not..... the only one there is a win. Even if u do
:: have a strategy u probably find yourself not using it
:: in the match. then u start crying that they were
:: button mashing cuz they beat you??

I'm far from crying. And honestly, If you don't play with a strategy, what are you doing play the game. Yes of course you want to win. And you have a standard set of moves/jumps/etc. that you use to achieve those goals. Strategy is basically the way you play. Button Mashers don't have a strategy, because they are usually the ones who ask me how to throw the Shinkuu Hadoken/Tatsuu Maki. They don't know what they are doing, and they are usually stuborn to the fact. And, I always use my Strategy in games.

::Maybe you associate their uncanny ability to do
::combos and trow specials almost at once wthin
::combos in such as "button mashing" but I already said
::thats what this game is.

**See Above**

::get real you are not the best so stop acting like you
::are some kinda elite non button presser that uses a
::well thought out srategy (and psycik powers if you not
::gonna press the buttons) to beat a challenger..........

"elite non-button presser" I like that. There is a difference between button presser, and button masher. Again, see above.

::bah to you

/me gives Necro2k1 a BIIIIGGGG hug for misunderstanding. and being dumb.

[MaDPoWer]

Some people are acting like button mashing is a part of the orginal game. If anyone you are old enough to remeber when it was in the arcade you'll know why his pissed. Besides, IT'S A DEMO. I got tried of the gay shit so I stoped playing and I'm waiting for all the bugs to be worked out.

[Dach]

"Playing properly? Are you following invisible rules? I agree button mashers are annoying but they win because, unless your really good at fighting, it's a lot easier to be the attacker than the defender. You don't have to resort to button mashing, just understand that the most aggressive player usually wins."

Yes, it's true that the agressive attacker usually wins, but there's a difference between an agressive attack who plays fair and tries to win through their own stratagy and utilizing their own skills - of which, button mashers have none. In a game like X-Men Vs Street Fighter you can mash and actually get somewhere, but that's not playing the game properly.
This online version of XMvSF has ranking tables and online scores, and if people continue the mash the people with actually skills at the game aren't going to win. It's these people that don't deserve to win.

"and what is this game basically? pressing buttons to beat your challenger...... ....strategy??"

Every game is based on stratagy, even Street Fighter. Somehow I'm guessing that you've never played a fighting game before. Let me put it simple for you: Yes, there is a stratagy in XMvSF. Such as the stratagy of anti-air - depending on the character you choose, which attacks with deter people who jump, which supers, etc - the stratagy of priority - where certain attacks take priority over others.
Have your only experiences of a Street Fighter game been limited to the 0.5 cut down versions on the PlayStation and/or this online X-Men Vs Street Fighter? It's obvious that you don't understand the nature of fighting games in general, much less the Vs. series.

If you think I'm whining, maybe you should try facing up to one of the button mashers while you're trying to play with a stratagy. You've never tried playing against someone who knows how to play properly, with skill and stratagy while you try to do the same.

"Even if u do have a strategy u probably find yourself not using it in the match."

Congratulations, you've just proved that you're also a button masher. No wonder you're complaining about my rant - you're one of the people I'm complaining about in the first place.

"then u start crying that they were button mashing cuz they beat you??"

There's a difference between crying, whining and ranting. I'm not upset, I'm pissed off, because in the Vs. series, you suffer just like Tekken does - button mashers prevail over skilled people.

"Maybe you associate their uncanny ability to do combos and trow specials almost at once wthin combos in such as "button mashing" but I already said thats what this game is."

That's utter crap. There are two ways of doing what you described - one is from actually performing your movements. The other is from hitting buttons randomly and hoping for the best, which - annoyingly - happens too often in the VS series.


"get real you are not the best so stop acting like you are some kinda elite non button presser that uses a well thought out srategy (and psycik powers if you not gonna press the buttons) to beat a challenger.........."


Oh, ho! Elite button-presser? I'd rather be that than a sad button masher who couldn't string together a basic Fierce -> Shoryuken combo is their life depended on it, while at the same time viewing that sort of thing as 'shit' and 'for geeks'.

Then again, I'd be extremely surprised if you understood what I've been talking about at all. I could go deeper and explain about gameplay subleties and aesthetics but I feel that its not worth it on someone like you, you'd just not understand and babble on about how I'm "whining" to you again.

"Some people are acting like button mashing is a part of the orginal game."

Button mashing was in the original game though... that said, it was nowhere near as bad, and in the online game there's the problem with sync and attacks that hit where they shouldn't or how they shouldn't (one I noticed was Ryu's standing fierce that should only hit once; instead it hits twice).
I'm not ranting about the game itself though, not at all. :) I'm ranting about the people who play it. Even in its demo form, the game extremely advanced and, like I'm sure TMyApp has heard many times before, it's without a doubt one of the most advanced Shockwave games I've ever seen. They've all done a great job thus far, and this rant in no way is against the him and the other people who made it.

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[TKO]

Maybe post somewhere what buttons to use to make those super moves. Not everyone has played this game and not use to useing keybpard to make the moves over a joystick/gamepad.

It took me awhile to figure out what keys to use to make the super moves.

[Necro2k1]

Dach there you go again acting like you are better than someone.....

Have your only experiences of a Street Fighter game been limited to the 0.5 cut down versions on the PlayStation and/or this online X-Men Vs Street Fighter? It's obvious that you don't understand the nature of fighting games in general, much less the Vs. series.

ive played every street fighther except the 3d ones which I dont want to play so bah to you mr. elite.

Congratulations, you've just proved that you're also a button masher. No wonder you're complaining about my rant - you're one of the people I'm complaining about in the first place.

uhh have you ever played me?? You must be very special to look at me playing without me knowing. Congradulations to YOU.

Oh, ho! Elite button-presser? I'd rather be that than a sad button masher who couldn't string together a basic Fierce -> Shoryuken combo is their life depended on it, while at the same time viewing that sort of thing as 'shit' and 'for geeks'.

oh I get it. people that dont know how to use the specials/hyper moves are just button mashers......... theres a fault in there somewhere..... nice logic

Every game is based on stratagy, even Street Fighter. Somehow I'm guessing that you've never played a fighting game before. Let me put it simple for you: Yes, there is a stratagy in XMvSF. Such as the stratagy of anti-air - depending on the character you choose, which attacks with deter people who jump, which supers, etc - the stratagy of priority - where certain attacks take priority over others.

acting like your better than someone again.... sad world this is, filled with egos. anyway if you call picking which move to do next stratagy than thats what it is. I may have some kinda stratagy I dunno and frankly I dont care. but im not a "button masher" as your flawed oh im sorry "superior" brain calls it. one more thing

There's a difference between crying, whining and ranting. I'm not upset, I'm pissed off, because in the Vs. series, you suffer just like Tekken does - button mashers prevail over skilled people.

if that person is soooo skilled than how can he lose to someone that doesnt know how to play? huh? why couldnt he just use his comprehensive stratagy to win and squash him? what? I cant hear you? "uhhhh because he pressed the buttons to fast" hah hah hah

bah to you

[Necro2k1]

and one more thing, the person you are fighting could be using a better stratagy putting you to shame. then you go to think since he beat you so badly hes a little button masher.

you could be right about people that dont know what they are doing. ive had to help people that dont know how to use hypers and/or use a basic "fireball" (hadouken) I know to how use them because i played alpha (1 2 3)and also X men vs sf (although the moves are somewhat performed different [hypers])

but for know ignore this post and look at the one above it (mine)

[Dach]

Right, lets look at your previous post again.

"Even if u do have a strategy u probably find yourself not using it in the match."

I have yet to see someone who doesn't have some sort of stratagy in their head not button mash. Face it; if you don't know how to play the game, what where things are do, then you will not have a stratagy. You don't have a stratagy? Then what the #### DO you do? Attack attack attack attack attack attack attack etc etc? Just hit random buttons in a hope that you'll prevail? You seem not to know what button mashing is. Look up what "stratagy" means in the dictionary, and see if it has any connection to psychic.

"if that person is soooo skilled than how can he lose to someone that doesnt know how to play? huh? why couldnt he just use his comprehensive stratagy to win and squash him? what? I cant hear you? "uhhhh because he pressed the buttons to fast" hah hah hah"

THAT is the problem with the Vs. series you idiot! When people button mash, they actually GET SOMEWHERE. The lightning-fast gameplay doesn't give someone who can actually play properly a chance. It's like Alpha 3's V-ISM all the time with button mashers. If you block then you'll just get worn down with supers.

This isn't as bad in the arcade/home versions of XMvSF. I am NOT complaining about button mashers in the arcade/home versions. It's much MUCH worse in the online version due to issues like lag. You go up against a button masher on the online version and you'll find (unless you're on broadband, in which case you wouldn't have a fucking clue what "lag" is :p) that you'll lag and your moves come out slower, and you WON'T have time to block.

"oh I get it. people that dont know how to use the specials/hyper moves are just button mashers......... theres a fault in there somewhere..... nice logic"

Wow, talk about reading too deeply into words. No, you fool, I meant exact what I said in the first place.

"Superior... blah blah blah... acting like I'm better than someone... blah blah blah."

Yep, I think I'm better than all the button mashers and bastards that don't know how to play the game properly and thus ruin the experience for everyone else and lessen their enjoyment. So sue me.

"ive played every street fighther except the 3d ones which I dont want to play so bah to you mr. elite."

For what, 5 minutes? :p

"anyway if you call picking which move to do next stratagy..."

I don't, that's not a stratagy. A stratagy is a plan, not just for planning which move you're going to do next in your head. Are you going to take a defencive stance and back away, luring the opponent in? Or are you going for offensive, and try to wear down the bar? Who do you choose (this is for the Vs. series only) - which combination would be better for you, faster to run metaphoric rings around the opponent, stronger to out-hit him, a grappler? Or to choose your favourite combination of characters that you know inside-out and run the risk of losing?
Street Fighter is deeper than 'planning what move to do next'. But all of this becomes void on XMvSF online, as when the button mashers start and you're left without a hope, as your moves will come out a second later an the button mashers will beat you to the punch.

"I may have some kinda stratagy I dunno"

You might have some subconcious stratagy planned out in your head. Point is, button mashers don't. They just mash and mash and mash and hope for the best.

"the person you are fighting could be using a better stratagy putting you to shame. then you go to think since he beat you so badly hes a little button masher."

lol, no. I know a button masher when a see one; mainly the jumping a lot, the moves coming out in random irregularity, them attacking a spot where I'm not repeatably (which is a surefire sign), opponent doing a special and randomly attacking instantly after... there are many signs, and I've played fighting games for long enough to see when someone is button mashing.

"you could be right about people that dont know what they are doing. ive had to help people that dont know how to use hypers and/or use a basic "fireball" (hadouken)"

Fine, but in my experience Ive foud that a lot of button mashers prefer to keep doing that, as they then have a much bigger chance of actually winning.

If you want to try a SF character that relies quite heavily on stratagy, try Karin in Alpha 3, on A-ISM. You see that mashers can't really get too far with her, not to mention that her moves require timing and knowledge of her priorities. She also has the best anti-air in the game too... definately one of my fav characters in Alpha 3...

http://www.gamiko.com/dach/karinmov.gif

I love you all.

[Dach]

I know you do, darling. *smooch* ^_~

[TMyApp]

Just to touch on some of the

[Necro2k1]

anyway, no I did not play the games for 5 minutes Dach

Try zsnes's netplay feature....
then mame's netplay feature
then my snes console I used to beat my cousins on...

and there you have ALL Street Fighter games (besides those 3d ones, ive played one and I didnt like it and Gameboy ones)


oh and i have DSL and sometimes my challengers lag very badly, so bad im just attacking a dummy (no offense) that just sits there and doesnt take any damage.

oh and Dach, your "them attacking in a place im not at repeatly" thing might be caused by lag.......


*goes to make new thread*

[Zapan]

hello.