Artist's advice on GFX - How to be an artist

[Virtual Fighter]

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[_dmx_]

Lmfoa nice example there are others too. They resize the sprite and color it in becomes annoying and not original. Most people follow others using gradients me i stick to my own things.

[Kingryu1]

I agree 100%, sick and tired of these kids posting "OMG THAT SO TOTALLY RAWKZ 10/10!112!".

Pinned. Follow these rules people.

[(~thug~)]

that was harsh... but kind of true people just repeat there style.

[rabbitalien]

actually that kinda true... artist should change style and try sumthin new... its just that not every1 is one... i admit im not one, i prob wopnt b one either with all the comments is get and im not the only one... most ppl these days get comments that are absolutely not helpfull... and if they try a new style others will say it sux and they will jus drop that style and not try to improve... now mainly i see y u made this post since u included my banner in this... and honestly i dunt think wut i make is a decent style... i just like the colors and the way it looks and i make it for myself alone in whatever way i like it... i might change sumthin mayb a lil bit i mean id have 2 say looking back 3-4 months ago i have improved alot... but ive reached a stage now that the improvemnts would require alot more change and that will never happen if the work will b shunned. i have not said ur work sux vf, i jus didnt like that work as much... i like the colorfull ones but ones more smooth kinda like the ones most other ppl make theyr jus colorfull smooth some with nice text... and its prob gonna take me alot more hard work in order for me to be actually taken seriously in gfx... but thats one thing i might not b able to achieve... so ill stik with wut looks good for me and if others like it that nice, if they dunt then thats nice also... if youlike wut i make then thats y ppl request banners from me. i personaly think rating is just crap... id rather see a comment that would help me improve then wut i usually hear: 'sux' '3/10' or w/e other ppl get on theyr work 2. anyways pz that was my 2 cents.

[gameboymaster]

Well, all of you are making good sense. Only one thing to know. Alot of people make banners to be a baner maker or to let all of you rate them. Alot of people are being banner-makers from all around the world everyday. Some people have just started and they need your pinions on their banners to see if they have gotten better. I WAS gonna be a banner-maker and I am still thinking about it. Enough about me...anywayz I see alot of people working hard no matter how unique the style is. Some people wanna see new styles and some people overlook it and rate the actual banner. Also, alot of people do try to make the most unique and never-before-seen better ever, but it's hard for them.When someone rates the baer of a bad comment then they might do these things:

1. Quit
2. Try harder
3. Rip someone else's banner from another forum (it can happen..you never know)
4. Say that they didn't make it
5. Get a ####anner program to try harder

It's hard for those banner makers to make a new style. The important thing that matters to them if:

1: Other people like it
2: Hoping that it's ghood enough
3: Being the best (ALMOST everyone wants to be the best...40%/100%
4. Hoping that they can do better

Alot of people just wanna see banners for the heck of it. Everyone has AT LEAST one unique thing in banner from the others. Banner-makers try their best to make unique banners anyway. The non-banner-makers have to be patient when the time comes. Even adding one pic to a banner can make a difference. ALOT of you banner-makers started out as a banner-making-rookie. All of you have gotten better and better and I don't think anyone complained about any rookie work a long time ago until now. Doesn't matter if you wana see different banners..doesn't matter if you are pissed off about it. It's hard for some of those banner-makers to make a REALLY unique banner. They might not even care what other people think. AT LEAST their actually showing all of you. They really don't have to be around here and watch people complaining about who wants to see something different. Banner-makers don't like it when people complain about the banners they have made. At least they made a banner and the other person didn't make ANYTHING.

P.S. I didn't mention anyone's name in here that may offend them. NOT ONE NAME.

[_dmx_]

You saying you don't copy people styles =/. I can't give people helpful comments they take advatage of it thinking their all that and the poop. For instance you got all good comments in ya nferno banner thread soon as someone1 said something negative u all down their throat.

[rabbitalien]

i dunt think i said i copied ppls style or i didnt... honestly i do admit i partially copied ppls styles... i started trying to copy rycvk... mostly wut i got is the scan lines thing and a bit for color... now im kinda trying to learn from cc and sw's style... i dunt look at it as copying, more like learning wut other ppl see is good about it and applying as much on my banner as i can... u can accuse me or w/e but i think by doing that i have improved quite a bit... cuz comments these days dunt help me, its jus hate passed around so im jus learning by myself by looking wut others do good or wut i think they do good in it.

[_dmx_]

as long as someone doesnt abuse the style.

[rabbitalien]

well i hope im not abusing it, i jus put in what ppl see more good of diff styles into my own work... im not sure wut kinda stryle mine is but im trying to make it a style that includes mostly the best of every other style.

[Angel-Eyes]

yeah....I need to spice some of my stuffup

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F87500]actually that kinda true... artist should change style and try sumthin new... its just that not every1 is one... i admit im not one, i prob wopnt b one either with all the comments is get and im not the only one... most ppl these days get comments that are absolutely not helpfull... and if they try a new style others will say it sux and they will jus drop that style and not try to improve... now mainly i see y u made this post since u included my banner in this... and honestly i dunt think wut i make is a decent style... i just like the colors and the way it looks and i make it for myself alone in whatever way i like it... i might change sumthin mayb a lil bit i mean id have 2 say looking back 3-4 months ago i have improved alot... but ive reached a stage now that the improvemnts would require alot more change and that will never happen if the work will b shunned. i have not said ur work sux vf, i jus didnt like that work as much... i like the colorfull ones but ones more smooth kinda like the ones most other ppl make theyr jus colorfull smooth some with nice text... and its prob gonna take me alot more hard work in order for me to be actually taken seriously in gfx... but thats one thing i might not b able to achieve... so ill stik with wut looks good for me and if others like it that nice, if they dunt then thats nice also... if youlike wut i make then thats y ppl request banners from me. i personaly think rating is just crap... id rather see a comment that would help me improve then wut i usually hear: 'sux' '3/10' or w/e other ppl get on theyr work 2. anyways pz that was my 2 cents.


huh?

I didn

[Angel-Eyes]

[color=#000080][quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"]We don

[rabbitalien]

well most ofus we only get to learn banners... y dunt u make like a tut, i dunt even know how to get started on a vector... i dunt know anything about vectors... most ppl jus want banners and avatars... i usually get wallpapers from other premade sites... and i dunt like working on large documents... so many ppl jus making banners every1 else thinks thats wut we mostly do... u should show more wallpaper work so that ppl can get interested in that.

[Angel-Eyes]

y dunt u make like a tut


... and i dunt like working on large documents...
what?
are you incapable of experimenting and inventing your own art.....do you have to have a tutorial?



wtf do you mean that you dont like working on large documents.....whats that supposed to mean?

[rabbitalien]

y dunt u make like a tut


... and i dunt like working on large documents...
what?
are you incapable of experimenting and inventing your own art.....do you have to have a tutorial?



wtf do you mean that you dont like working on large documents.....whats that supposed to mean?
*ahem* i wasnt born knowing how to make vectors... if vf wants to see us make walls and vector work hes gonna have to show us how, cuz i hav no idea how u even get started. wut i ment about large documents is that i wont like working with walls cuz the canvas will b so huge i like to see the entire canvas at once without having to scroll here and there.

[gameboymaster]

I understand everyone and their replies...but why would ANYONE make this topic a sticky topic (permanent topic)? It's JUST someone's opinion and a little complaint about what they want to see and what they don't want to see.

[_dmx_]

^ huh you dont make banners so you dont know.All im saying dont abuse a style =X.

[Alex_KO]

u always been the smart one

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F87500]*ahem* i wasnt born knowing how to make vectors... if vf wants to see us make walls and vector work hes gonna have to show us how, cuz i hav no idea how u even get started. wut i ment about large documents is that i wont like working with walls cuz the canvas will b so huge i like to see the entire canvas at once without having to scroll here and there.


you

[cripwalker_19]

i got a question.. is this topic tittle even allowed in this forum?? ppl remember lil kids play too..i will be very surprised if tha mods dont do nothin about this..lol its prety wacK

[rabbitalien]

-.-' anyways... back to the topic... vf, i would try if i knew were to start... i dunt even know how to... u do it by hand or u got sum filetrs or brushes? or wut, i hav no idea... wut im working on thats wut im tryingf... ill move to another style once im good with this style

[Citizen]

Yup, it's true. People should not be allowed to enjoy things if they aren't original. Down with personal prefference.

[Virtual Fighter]

Yup, it's true. People should not be allowed to enjoy things if they aren't original. Down with personal prefference.

damn fliping right, mother fliper.

[cripwalker_19]

wut tha flip is ur prob man..y do u always say flip like every fliping time.. is something flipping wrong on ur fliped up keyboard?

[Virtual Fighter]

yes.

instead of a space bar, it has a "flip" button =/

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"][color=#000000]I

[_dmx_]

^ You don't even make banners.

[Virtual Fighter]

haters know nothing of which they speek.

i've been in this community and have been making digital art for 3 years, i know what i'm talking about.

[ace 1396]

hey this sounds like a good idea virtual if any one could just help me get started wit this stuff ill be all set

good idea vf i like it

[alamgir]

Heh your right vf, a little harsh, but right. People should just develop their own styles, and be themselves without wondering what other people will say about them being different.

[Z-z]

100% on your side

[Alex_KO]

ummm...ya.....VF right! =\ now u all should go rate my banner = ]

[gameboymaster]

^ huh you dont make banners so you dont know.All im saying dont abuse a style =X.
I know you made this post a long time ago, but since I'm back you have a new lesson to learn.... :sneaky2:

I'm not trying to be on the "smartass" topic but you said this to me and another person times and you need to understand what I am about to say. Non-banner makers DO know much about banners. It doesn't matter if they are not banner makers. Actually, the people who are observing the banners knows alot about seeing things new and old banners. I understand VF very much about seeing something new..I just don't understand why they make this a "sticky" topic....so anywayz, I definitly know alot and other non-banner makers do to. The only new styles I wanna see are animation. Even their own computer-made animation. So let me tell you something else....I posted my first post on this topic for a reason..I wouldn't have posted if I didn't "know"

[Nugaruda]

Soo let me get this right.

You created this post in order to...

A. whine

B. fill more space with your stupid opinions

C. to act like youre some great gfx creator.

D. trying to tell pepl how they should make their banners

And what the hell dude, "Artists"???

im willing to bet that alot of people really just wanna make people happy rather than creating 'art'.
They may put time and effort into it so that it looks good and so their gfx creations get good reception but mainly people just wanna be accepted for their work not criticized.

what motivated you to create this retarded post.

Oh and gee i wonder how this thread got posted.



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[Windarossa]

Soo let me get this right.

You created this post in order to...

A. whine

B. fill more space with your stupid opinions

C. to act like youre some great gfx creator.

D. trying to tell pepl how they should make their banners

And what the hell dude, "Artists"???

im willing to bet that alot of people really just wanna make people happy rather than creating 'art'.
They may put time and effort into it so that it looks good and so their gfx creations get good reception but mainly people just wanna be accepted for their work not criticized.

what motivated you to create this retarded post.

Oh and gee i wonder how this thread got posted.
I don't consider banners to be art at all! Its only art if you drew everything, colored it in, and without using anything digital(which is why all the banners seem to be the same).

And whats with the tittle of this topic... :Oo: And why are you calling everyone morons? ... acting like you own the forum... pfff



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[bloodpack]

Soo let me get this right.

You created this post in order to...

A. whine

B. fill more space with your stupid opinions

C. to act like youre some great gfx creator.

D. trying to tell pepl how they should make their banners

And what the hell dude, "Artists"???

im willing to bet that alot of people really just wanna make people happy rather than creating 'art'.
They may put time and effort into it so that it looks good and so their gfx creations get good reception but mainly people just wanna be accepted for their work not criticized.

what motivated you to create this retarded post.

Oh and gee i wonder how this thread got posted.
I don't consider banners to be art at all! Its only art if you drew everything, colored it in, and without using anything digital(which is why all the banners seem to be the same).

And whats with the tittle of this topic... :Oo: And why are you calling everyone morons? ... acting like you own the forum... pfff
@winda:
err....winda, art is a very vast spectrum of concepts and ideas
you can say creating a banner is not a formal art but it showcases one's ability to be creative
thus id say creating a tag/banner/avy is part of an art (take note: not entirely an art but we can also say its an art)

@vf: i agree although its kinda blunt the way you say it

and for all, risks is something we all have to undertake

-take risks
-be observant
-research
-seek advice

thats all i can share

[Twiztid Tim]

[color=#000080][quote]There is like 3 people doing that anymore, and that

[rabbitalien]

tim u missed theyr point... not every1 is trying to be an artist... ifuve noticed... when i was still improving in my gfx works, i was making banners for ppl... id say about 50% at least i didnt actually like but it was what people like, what they requested and they were happy with it... i still do think this topic was started mayb cuz a bit of hate addressed to me... even tho sum ppl got 'inspired' to make sumthing different, but its nothing no1 didnt already know... every1s comfortable at one level and they like that level so they improve in that... the only reason i can think that this is a sticky is cuz kingy gave the 'thumbs up' to wut vf said... but i dunt think this would b sticky material... and the only reason i see vf being dissed and cussed in the sfo game itself is of the 'role' he partakes in here... u saw vf remember when i came in, u had like 3 ppl dissing u and calling u names... and thats a totally different thing then wuts going on in the forum... mayb if youdunt get in ppls faces that much u might b liked more in sfo game. i guess for me its quite opposite as vf... seems im hated more in here and 'liked' more in the sfo game, not that that matters but it dusnt hurt t ob humble once or twice... jus to know ur place.:D as far as this topic goes... i dunt see why it should b continued... the point has been made and the replies have been posted... i see the rest is being jus sidetracked. anyways with blankas new rule... no cussing not even replacing with funky stuff... ull get ur ass pummeled so i do hope to see less hate, outbursts, and fights, most importantly the ones addressed towards me... :buttrock: so now ill favoured by every1 and every1 will love me, just as it should have been. yayyyy.



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[Twiztid Tim]

Nothing is wrong with making sigs non-stop, it's just that making non-stop sigs will mean you never improve, you stay at the same level. Look at me, i used to do to sigs ALL THE TIME, i stopped because i saw VF and Saijin's Devart pages, and i was inspired, inspired to do more, so i did, and look, im doing vectors, photo manipulation and more, i havent done a sig for about a month.

Another thing, if you DO do sigs, dont cut and paste other peoples work (sprites, pics) use your own stuff, like photos you've taken and stuff, i haven't done a copy and paste sig in....too long, use your own material if you DO insist on being a sig whore,

Just my 2 cents

[rabbitalien]

lol tim, honestly this is prob the first time since a long time where i get to hear u speak wisdom instead of filth... lol.

[Virtual Fighter]

I don't consider banners to be art at all! Its only art if you drew everything, colored it in, and without using anything digital(which is why all the banners seem to be the same).

And whats with the tittle of this topic... And why are you calling everyone morons? ... acting like you own the forum... pfff

Hey, girl, on my last peice of gfx, i spent 7 hours. and you dare deny me my artistic merit?

How dare you. No one from the hand of Di Vinci HIMSELF can denounce someone like that.


Stay out of things that don't apply to you, girl.

[Twiztid Tim]

VF is teh uber artist ;)

[Virtual Fighter]

And why did they change my topic title.

Whore is not a bad word in the sence of a prostetute. If i say "how not to be a GFX prostetute", that would be alright, wouldn't it?

[Zpower]

Ohh Im just now reading this topic. Guess I was too busy to notice. VF you have a point, honestly this is why I stopped making tags completely. People here including myself at one point only made tags well I made animations and tags ect.. Though after really knowing what I know now about art I find that those programs, or any type of program is useless without basicknowledge of art which includes, shapes, color theory, light and shadow, perspective on and on and on and on... Not just most people here, but what I know now as a artist I see that EVERYONE here not just including tag makers only. Who claims to be a artist needs to really go back to the basics. I've seen even your stuff VF and many other peoples work who lack basicknowledge of color and lighting.
ALSO to all the so called "graphic-artist" out there. Umm please try do other things besides ABSTRACT, VECTORS AND SPLASHES. Try to actually DRAW something instead of letting the PROGRAM control you to your limits. Ha yah well I need to work on all these things aswell so we are ALL in the same BOAT. No one here is better or not capable of learning the technical side of art. Then we can truely see how artistic you are once you know all the technical aspects. but anyways this is just my two cents on the matter.

[gameboymaster]

Wow. He's really got a point there. I'd like to see someone beat that.

[Virtual Fighter]

honestly this is why I stopped making tags completely.

No, we all know why you stopped making tags completely.

-_-

[Zpower]

Good one VF, but thats getting kinda old dont yah think. Anyways solution to EVERYONES problem on this board who posted graphics.... unistall photoshop... learn the basics of art....then learn the technical side of art including color theory...... then read the photoshop entire manual, then read the photoshop bible which you can buy at ebay. Actually pratice using your own knowledge to form ideas on the canvas.. then post your master piece. I PROMISE if you do this then everyone will be happy. We get to see great work and you get to how self-accomplishment which beats any applause. Anyways yah thats all im going to say TAKE MY ADVICE you'll be glad yah did... Im currently working on step 2 of my own advice lol.. maybe in um.. few years I'll post some real graphical art on this forum. Untill then I'll be in um.. the training hole ...ohhhhh its dark down here :( .. hehe peace



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[Virtual Fighter]

Who are you to tell us about color theory and basic art techniques?

I guess you know what you're talking about, right? Let's hear some of this basic art techniques and color theories you have.

I just want to get better.

[Twiztid Tim]

ALSO to all the so called "graphic-artist" out there. Umm please try do other things besides ABSTRACT, VECTORS AND SPLASHES. Try to actually DRAW something instead of letting the PROGRAM control you to your limits. Ha yah well I need to work on all these things aswell so we are ALL in the same BOAT. No one here is better or not capable of learning the technical side of art. Then we can truely see how artistic you are once you know all the technical aspects. but anyways this is just my two cents on the matter.

Digital art has the exact same rights to be called "art" as traditional art does (drawing, painting etc.) If somebody prefers digital art to traditional, thats entirely acceptable, both styles have the same "rights". And program's dont control limits, theres just as much possible via digital art as there is with traditional, for instance, look at http://alyn.deviantart.com and try to tell me there isn't... Digital art is just as good as Traditional

[Zpower]

Firstly Im no better than you guys/gals at graphics at the moment. However know I know that it takes years of practice to get in remotely good which some here claim to be. Well like I said Im currently learning myself. Though sure whatever you want. Biggest problem I see hear is number # 1 Color theory. Which follows as this... know the and learn the entire Color Wheel...It consist of 3 major colors red, yellow and blue. ... these colors can be combined to form other colors such as...green, orange , and purple. You may say what does this have to with understanding photoshop, painting ect.. Well my friend this is only BASSSSIC stuff that most here well everyone here thats posted hasnt MASTERED. Including myself lol.. anyways thats just art theory fundamentals Im talking about without these you guys will fail at every attempt like I did and still do untill I master the these fundamentals. Also perspective.... learn vanishing points, and most of all EYE LEVELS in your pieces. Also most here well everyone here has no sense of design cluding me... so um thats basically it in nutshell theres billions of things but cant mentiont hem all. Have fun mastering these and I wish you all the best. Though I dont plan to be a graphics artist painting digitally will force me to be labeled as somewhat a graphics artist lol.. so.. If this forum still be alive in 5-6 years from now.. I'll post up some stuff and show that um.. with practice and hardwork you can become professional at art. but by then um.. it wont matter will have nothing to prove.. well to a couple people here who always never liked my stuff or me lol.. thats another story though :suspect:

[Twiztid Tim]

sorry almighty pwnz0r graphics artist dude

[Zpower]

Firstly Im no better than you guys/gals at graphics at the moment.
I love posting at this forum.. such nice people :)...

[Twiztid Tim]

We dont love you posting here, get out

[rabbitalien]

ALSO to all the so called "graphic-artist" out there. Umm please try do other things besides ABSTRACT, VECTORS AND SPLASHES. Try to actually DRAW something instead of letting the PROGRAM control you to your limits. Ha yah well I need to work on all these things aswell so we are ALL in the same BOAT. No one here is better or not capable of learning the technical side of art. Then we can truely see how artistic you are once you know all the technical aspects. but anyways this is just my two cents on the matter.

Digital art has the exact same rights to be called "art" as traditional art does (drawing, painting etc.) If somebody prefers digital art to traditional, thats entirely acceptable, both styles have the same "rights". And program's dont control limits, theres just as much possible via digital art as there is with traditional, for instance, look at http://alyn.deviantart.com and try to tell me there isn't... Digital art is just as good as Traditional
i agree... art is not something you make with strokes of your hand( and dont think nasty plz )... art is what you can make from what you have at hand... dunt tell me eifel tower made from rice crispies isnt art, or a gingerbread whitehouse (which i made) isnt art... and cmon last time i checked i didnt see any1 trying to go back to the basics to improve... were making banners that would look pleasing to the eye... i dunt care if its warped or out of persepective or whatnot, if the final product is nice an appealing then that deserves good credit... and if it came to drawing or painting by hand... u guys would stand no chance against me... tim stop being such a hater. :confused:

[Twiztid Tim]

hey rabbitalien, wanna hear a secret?

Shut The flip up

[Virtual Fighter]

that's no secret.

i've known that for a long time.

[Twiztid Tim]

;)

[rabbitalien]

hmm since u both know the same secret, u should both learn to abide by it. :blues:

[Twiztid Tim]

Why? The secret only applies to you

[Angel-Eyes]

haha who changed the name of this topic?

[rabbitalien]

Why? The secret only applies to you
not it dunt... a secret would only b kept by those sharing/having that secret... and since u got the secret and vf joined in as well... it should b kept by u, cuz its a secret, get it? :plain:

[Virtual Fighter]

que?

I don't know who did it, or even who edited my sig.

It's really pissing me off, too. I sent a nice letter to the mods and admins to tell me who so i can avoid getting into trouble again, but no one responded.

I guess that's the okay to just continue doing what i do.

muahahahaha. :)

[gameboymaster]

lol

[Twiztid Tim]

zing!

[rabbitalien]

i want to get the last post >.c

[Virtual Fighter]

no, I'll always get last post.

:;):

[rabbitalien]

u wish bub.

[Virtual Fighter]

YOU getting the last post of this topic fo not being a gfx whore is like richard simmons being head of the heterosexuality perade.

It's just contredictary.

And if you're too dumb ot know the analogy, poop to you.

[rabbitalien]

im still posting... :cool:

[Virtual Fighter]

You're still pathetic... :cool:

[rabbitalien]

??? wut were u saying about 'lines getting thinner'? bah u suk ppl im'ing me saying u suk 2 open ur eyes, or not 'heavy' nor 'hot stuff' but ski asked me to stop so i will...

[SBYRD5]

http://www.kitoutpost.com/tags/lessons/burn.htm

I hope this link helps someone...

[ZhouYuX]

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"][color=#000000]I

[chaoscrippla]

now im kinda trying to learn from cc and sw's style
:buttrock:

[Twiztid Tim]

me heart cc



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[(-StarWarrior-)]

^ Me punch you out.

[SirViper]

^ you become public squeegy toy. :evillaugh: :laugh:



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[7w17ch]

Some people are so used to seeing the same thing over and over. Anything else that breaks the barrier of similarity is usually deemed as crap. Trust me I know. I've tried things totally different from the norm and people just tell me that it sucks. Of course, I laugh at most of them because they don't know squat about graphic design and the like. Just shows how people like to pretend that they know what they are doing. I agree with you 100% VF, but there will always be people who criticize uniqueness. It's human nature.