Magic the gathering - Let's talk about it...

[SSJKarma]

so who plays that game ?
here is what i have for deck...
it's a BLUE, RED, BLACK deck !
i maily have blue card but i got a minimum of RED and BLACK cards as well !

in total i have 110 cards to make myself a clean 60 CARD DECK.
my favorites cards up to now are my strongest...
SANDBAR CROCODILE
and
GERRARD'S IRREGULAR
there is others but i don't quite feel like taking my deck out just to see the names !

i don't play much, only my cousin has bought a deck as well !
anyway...
what i like to, is the little QUOTES in certain cards !
look at my signature to find out GERRARD'S IRREGULAR QUOTE !

here is another one...
"WHEN GOBLINS BLOW THEMSELVES UP, ITS CALLED STUPIDITY ! WHEN HUMANS DO IT, ITS CALLED HEROISM !" - SHOCK TROOPS

so who's a player aside me ?

[mastaq]

Wow, Sandbar Crocodile is an old card. From Mirage. Its has 6 for power and 5 for defense. Its casting cost is like... One blue and 4 colorless. But it has phasing. The Shock Troops are in the Mercadian Masques block. I forget which set though. Maybe Nemesis. But they are one red and 3 colorless to cast. And have a 2 for toughness and power. Sacrifice them at any time and deal 2 damage to target creature or player. Effectively that card can deal 4 damage by itself.



As you can see I used to play this game a lot. In organized tournaments and everything, And I was pretty good. :buttrock:

[SSJKarma]

i know its an old card, i bought it like 4 years ago from a friend who showed how to play it, i knew what it was but never tryed to learn it !

he had been playing for 3 or 4 years back then, after he teched me and he built a deck for me form is CARDS he had, the deck wasn't so strong, but he hadded a lot of RED card that enabled me to touch the PLAYER LIFE POINT directly, so it made my day a little stronger ! he placed hiw loved CROCODILE in and his GERRARDS which was two of his powerfull monsters, but he didn't used them cause he had things similar to them !

and so i bought my first deck for 7$
it was an old deck, still i was glad to have a deck and i was playing against him all time. winning one time out of 5 !
then i bought my INVASION deck ! which gave me my BLACK CARDs. now i have 110 cards and i mixed up my old deck with the new one, adding things and removing others !

my cousin just bought a deck...
its the deck a certain BRIAN SELDEN used in SEATLE in the WORLD CHAMPION TOURNAMENT in 1998 !
believe me, since he's new to this i defeated him 1 time, but now that know how to play and sice i had to translate all of his card into french. he knows them and believe me... one fliping card and i am sure to lose the match !

he has a card that ables him to destroy all island on the filed, since he doesn't have and that my deck is constituted form manly BLUE cards, he destroy my strategie and i barely have some chances to win !

i have 10 ISLANDs cards in my deck, as well as 5 MOUNTAINs and 5 SWAMPs. for some card i have that need it, i also added 1 FORESTs. the rest are monsters from different types and SORCERIEs cards !

too bad i'll have to do something about it !
i found another deck i would be glad to have...
its the same as his special deck, but its a deck from (i can't remember which city) but its a deck that was used in a tourney in 2002 or was it 3, oh well, its very recent !

and what do you think of buying a deck compared to buying a booster pack ?

i find it way better to buy the whole deck(60 cards) then buying the booster pack(10 cards) at the same cost !
tho i know the booster pack has better cards !

[mastaq]

Your mixing too many colors into one deck. You should stick to 2 colors. And splash a 3rd color in the mix. Invasion was a very good block. But the Urza's block was ownage.

[nosoul4evr]

Masta is correct...2 colors max..."maybe" a splash of a 3rd color.

Personaly i prefer single colored weeny decks....use cards with casting cost of 3 or less for the majority of the deck, then throw in 4 to 8 medium to high casting cost cards that will finish off the theme of the deck...or the mechanics of it...or that will protect your decks "weak points"



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 08 2003 at 16:34

[marvel911]

Wow...so there are people who play this card game ...Amazing

[lordgrobyc']

I used to play this game about two years ago. Recently i gave all my decks and cards away. I could never get into the game, prolly cause i didn't understand it. Im not the type to sit down and play a card game for 20minutes to an hour. I remember the good ole days of Pokemon cards. Lol. Now that was a card game...simple and to the point . =/

[SSJKarma]

BTW, is there anyone here who canexplain me MANA BURN and what's it really, cause its not really explained well in the rule books !

other then that, the game is pretty much awesome and easy to learn, i mean its as easy as placing your monsters on the table ! if you really want an hell of a game to learn, try YU GI OH, the cardas aren't even well explained and the rule book doesn't gives you enough to start a simple game !

i read many of the cards i had with my JOEY DECK and when i found on the net what was writen, they company said they changed it after realease because too many players were messed up ! that's an hard game to learn. but magic, its awesome and easy as 1,2,3 !

what i like the most in it, is the fighting system, how hard is it to calculate numbers under 10 ? :colgate:
unlike other games where for some odd reasons the numbers to calculate are all above 1000 !

as for the 3 colors in one, yeah, but i got so many good cards, my deck wouldn't have any choices but to be BLACK and BLUE ! cause many of the INVASION deck i bought are a mix of both DARK and BLUE !

my red cards doesn'T have many good monsters but does have lots of monsters to protect myself ! only thing they are good at ! tho i have many SORCERIES that are red and that i could use to wipe my ennemies life points without him being able to stop those damage !

you know, only problems with my INVASION cards, are the cost it takes to activate and use the abilities... its awefull how it is ! tho once the monster is in the field, its aneasy task to activate abilities !

oh well gotta redo my deck !
oh and on 110 cards, the only colors i have are BLACK, BLUE and RED !



Edited By SSJKarma on Oct. 08 2003 at 20:07

[mastaq]

Basically you have 6 phases during your turn. If you tap your mana and dont use it before the next phase. You will "burn" 1 point of damage for each mana you didnt use. The six phases during your turn in this order are... untap,upkeep,main phase, attack phase, second main phase, discard. During your untap phase you cant cast any spells at all only untap.



Edited By mastaq on Oct. 08 2003 at 17:38

[SSJKarma]

OK, that bring back some lost memory, but i do understand more th econcept now... but really, who would TAP his MANA just for the fun of it ? those who do are stupidos !

I, Nantuko Joe, would ownz j00 all in M:tG...despite the fact i havn't played it in a few years.....

I've still got the packaging from my first deck ever, a starter deck of 4th edition.....damn, that was like eight years ago...

I've got a slew of decks. Because i own so many cards, i couldn't resist giving myself a gigantic variety of color choices. Green/Black. Green/Blue. Green/Red. Black/Red. Green/White. Mono-green. Black/Blue. Black/White. Mono Red. Blue/White.

I used to make around 75-80 card decks, but i slimmed it down to about 60 card decks....one of them is a 40 card burn deck, mono red. One time i tried making a 250-card deck that actually HAD A THEME, and it actually worked.

Dammit...now the mystery behind my name has finally been revealed to all.....where Nantuko Joe cam from....*sighs*

[mastaq]

@ Nantuko

Next time Im in your neck of the woods let me know where you live. Ill bring my old academy deck and own you. :biggrin: That deck can win on turn 2. Its one of the most evil combo decks of all time.

@Karma

Back a few years there were a lot of combo decks. Mostly one that involved a lot of calculation when using mana. Especially when you were going to finish off your opponent. Sometimes people tapped more mana than they needed. And thus took the mana burn. Sometimes people took mana burn on purpose.



Edited By mastaq on Oct. 09 2003 at 00:58

[Dan Hibiki]

Green speed decks > all.

[SSJKarma]

anyone who ever wanted to play the ONLINE game given freely on WIZARDS homepage ?

its a 196megabites of downloads but its really a fun one, its free completely and able you to virtually, buy, trade, sell your cards and play online in tourneys and or simple games !

i am downloading it and i hope its great.
well, yes my deck doesn't own for now, but i plan on having more cards to put in there !

BTW...
i changed my deck...
its now a BLUE/RED deck !
i added some BLACK cards, mainly sorceries, but how am i gonna used them if its a bliue/red deck, simple, with invasion i had 3 SPECIAL LAND cards, i added them to my deck. there is one thing i really don't know about... if i got no monster using GREEN LANDs, why did my invasion deck had 1 forest in it ?

anyway...
i'm not bad, myself, but i'm far from the best, simply because i don't have anyone really playing around !
i should check if there are tourneys around trois-rivieres !
i know there was around 5 years ago but now is there any ?
that's the question !

[mastaq]

Green speed decks > all.
A Rancored Albino Troll and giant growth to your dome!

[nosoul4evr]

Title:
Crypt Rats

Land:
20 Basic Swamps

Special Land:
1 Lake of the Dead

Creatures:
4 Blood Pet
4 Basal Thrull or 4 Blood Vassal (or 2 of each )
4 Gangrenous Zombies
4 Crypts Rats

Creature Enchantments:
4 Binding Agony
3 Casting of Bones

Global Enchantments:
3 No Rest for the Wicked

Sorceries, Instants, Interupts:
3 Dark Ritual
4 Unearth
3 Soul Exchange
3 Drain Life

If you have the cards to make this deck...you will like it. ;)

It's out of date, kicks ass, and is alot of fun to play.

It's exactly 60 cards with 1 wild card that can be replaced. This leaves you room to insert 4 sideboard cards without throwing off the balance of the deck to badly.

The only "iffy" part of the deck is the Basal Thrulls,
Basals only cost 2 mana, thus ensuring a 1|2 creature on 2nd turn and a faster ground force, and "stored" mana base. Their downfall, you cant attack with them AND use their ability. Their upside, 1 Basal can pay for another Basal to come into play...a critical point when played properly with a exisiting, or held cycling card. Basicaly "free" or "less expensive" creatures on the board, AND a stored mana base.

Blood Vassals can be a little slower to come out since they cost 3 mana. However their effect is better then the Basals, because you do not need to tap the Blood Vassal to get the 2 mana from it, you simply sack it. Thus allowing you to be able to attack with them AND sack them for mana as they goto the grave, for a quick boost of mana. Plus they have a better offense. Their down side...you can not cycle them as easily or inexpensively as you can the Basals

So the decision is difficult. After many games each have proven their worth more than once...The choice is yours.

The best thing about this deck, is it is not one of those Scrye 2 move cheapo decks.
Everyone reads about those decks in the magazines, then rush out to make them. Just so they can try and entertain the fantasy that they might be so clever as to create such a thing on their own....i hate those kind of people.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 09 2003 at 20:17

[jakelynch21]

I used to play Magic:The gathering,i have 2 real life cards left,yet i play it online.. My 2 cards i got is Path of Peace and Lava Ax.But i got tons on the comp.. :D :buttrock:

[SSJKarma]

wow, what a deck nosoul, tho i don't even know those cards you mentionned, they seems awesome to play with !

i don't have such a good deck, but i do have lots of (if well played) good cards. i kinda like my SLUGGISH card ! it makes a creature not able to defend as long as this card is on it and the only way to make it go away is to sacrifice the creature, which will have the only effect of bringing my card back in my hand ! that card can't go in the graveyards unless it was in my hand and discarded it myself !

i used it to render my opponents WALL unusable !
fun to see them try and block my gerrards irregular with their weak creatures that are all already tapped cause they attacked with them in the last turn !

other then that, i have lots of magic cards that makes me able to return creatures in their owners hand, not much, but if well played it ables me to attack them without being any problems !

on that i use also cards that able me to select a creature, including the player itself and deal damage to them ! unless they have some INTERRUPT or INSTANTs that they can use against me !

other then that, my deck is more for defense play then attacks ! attacks are reserved for my sorceries ! but i do have one or two monsters that can attack well pretty good !

[nosoul4evr]

Sounds like you have "slim pickin's" for cards at the moment.
So I'll offer a bit of advice.

Rares are NOT "where it's at", they are nothing but show.
Dont get me wrong, I have seen some bad ass combo's with rares that are just staggering...but not worth the price, or hassle of trying to acquire.

Commons, Semi-Commons are the way to go. THAT is where all the power is at, AND the most versatility of combonations and effects...toss in a semi-rare here an there, and with all that versatility you become unstoppable.
Well...not "unstoppable"..every deck has a weakness, even a "locked" deck can have a "key" constucted to unlock it.
Best part about commons and semi-commons are that they are easy to acquire. ;)

But it is an evil game. It becomes a "habit". It can become the only thing you think about, and the only thing you wanna spend your money on...wich brings me to my next bit of advice.

DONT go rushing out to buy the uber latest editions of Magic from the local card dealer...buy yourself "package deals" off of e-bay, if you intend on buying into the game...you will save your self ALOT of money this way.

If you feel you "must" goto a local dealer. Make sure they have a "commons box" that you may browse through. Most if not all dealers place rares, and semi-rares in their commons box as bait, or because they screwed up. So if you do goto a card shop, set aside enough time so that you can rifle through ALL of the loose commons they have for sale. You usualy get a better price then what is posted. PLUS you will get yourself a handfull of rares/semi-rares to play with as well as all those "gotta have" commons and semi-commons..all dirt cheap.

Lastly...dont become too consumed with the game.
I have seen MTG encourage arguments, fights, theft of cards and destroy age old friendships in a single game.

..i should know. I played for 5 years and passed one of the MTG instuctors test/courses...Got a free "Official Magic the Gathering Instuctor" T-shirt and everything. :0
...so i seen alot of games.

But alas, I have not played a single game, or looked at a single card for 3 years now. :(
(except to post my Crypt Rats deck or course..i love that thing)



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 10 2003 at 16:52

[Dan Hibiki]

I found a Pyramids of Giza from Arabian Nights (worth $40 at the time) in a commons box, and he charged a commons price of .25 for it.

But I wasn't the one who bought it :(.

[Kingryu1]

my cousin played this. she wsan't that good. but she had about 5-6 "decks" i think. it looks complicated. unlike poopty pokemon =/

[akuma_forever]

i dont really like it. i'm not into card games (pokemon anyone?) j/k :p

[mastaq]

Nosoul your right.. For 8 years that game sucked me in. And I loved every minute of it. I met a lot of people made friends. And went to Florida because of placing 6th in New England Regionals in 2001. So many memories... :buttrock:



Edited By mastaq on Oct. 11 2003 at 11:27

[DanYankees]

haha...

WOW

[SSJKarma]

nah, don't worry about that, i rather buy DECKS then buying great rares card that cost me the same amount of cash just for 4 or 5 cards !

but i didn't bought for a long time, let's until recently (when my cousin bought his deck) i hadn't played for 4 years in a row (last time i played is when i was at school and i was learning how to play) didn't play much but i lik eevery minutes, and now that me and my cousin tryed yugioh i said, i stick to magic, its easier to learn ! so knowing i wouldn't play yu gioh anymore he just went and bought himself a deck, now we play some times together, but i do wonder if i can play physically with other players... i just don't know where they are in this town !

anyway...
i'm surprised that so many of you actually play that game !
even more, i doubt anyone here would have made championship !

another question...
my cousin played a card on me and it said, choose an ENCHANTED CARD and DESTROY IT !
does that mean removed it fromt he game or just throw it in the graveyard ?
for my part if its not writen remove it from the game, i consider it to the graveyard, but my cousin is sure that it means destroy it formt he game itself !

now i'm confused as to it and i wonder what you think about that, after all, you made tourney's right !

[nosoul4evr]

To destroy a card, means to just put it in the graveyard.

The card will state "remove from game" if they want the target card to be completely removed from the game.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 11 2003 at 06:27

[mastaq]

Nosoul is correct. Unless the card states "remove target enchantment from game." Then it goes to the graveyard. Is the card you speak of Disenchant?

[SSJKarma]

no, tho i think i ave such a card somewhere !

but the cards i am reffering to is SLUGGISHNESS (my ENCHANT CREATURE which makes em non-blocking creature) and he placed a monster on the field which has the ability to destroy an enchant card when it comes into play !

fact is, my sluggishness card comes back in my hand if its sent into the graveyard !
so i said that it came back to my hand and he kinda freaked out saying it made that card unfair if he couldn't do a single thing to stop it from coming back at him !

that's all !

[mastaq]

Read the card and tell me if it says..."Return Sluggishness to your hand if it is put into the graveyard from PLAY."

[SSJKarma]

it's exactly what is writen on the card dude !

but just in case...

NAME: sluggishness
MANA COST: 1 colorless, 1 mountain
TYPE: Enchant Creature
DESCRIPTION:
Enchanted creature cannot block
When sluggishness is put into the graveyard from play, return sluggishness to owner's hand.

QUOTE:
VARK decided to lie down and think of a good excuse to quit qorking.

that"s what on the card !

i tryed many times to tell him that as long as i have it in my hand he can throw into the grave yard by using a special sorcery which make me discard it, if its not from the play it doesn't come back to my hand, but he brags on about how he doesn't have that kind of card in his deck.

well, my cousin is just a little too... over doing things... its like if he isn't capable of doing his strategie then its a big deal about how if he knew he wouldn'thave play that way and how i should let him him do for that game, next time its gonna be different !

but its like that everytimes !
but hey, that's how my cousin is !

[nosoul4evr]

Hmmm...You guys need to get your selves an MTG rule book...."He" needs it, more than you do by the sounds of things.

You are correct in your ruling on how the card works.
If the card is "removed from game", then you do not get it back to your hand.
If the card is "put into your graveyard", then the card does go back to your hand.

...you can always look the rules up on the net too.
But get yourselves a rule book for sure. It is the best thing to have ring side while dueling it out for dominance of the table.
If there is an arguement, or dispute on how a card operates..you just look it up...play things the way the rules say to, and carry on the game.

If your cousin cant handle the idea that someone elses strategy/deck/card is superior, to any effect he can muster/dish out...then it may be a good idea for him to find a different game to play...or...Go get more cards.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Oct. 13 2003 at 08:39

[_dmx_]

yu gi oh is easier in magic u have to put down those i think field card to summon a monster and yah life poinst is 20, so confusing ???

[SSJKarma]

what the hell... yu gi oh, easier !
if any one has a monster stronger then you you can't even compete with him until you can pull a monster stronger then him.

you can't put a monster 5 level and above without sacrifincing a certain umber of moster on the field but everytimes you put one your opponent destroys it ! and unlike the TV SHOW we don't get the cards we need for our strategie, the thing is, can you even have a strategie in yugioh ?

MAGIC, you got a cost, and unless your opponents plays cardas that get rid of the lands you have, which it is rare to have that in a deck, then you sure to be able to make monsters come out. believe me MAGIC is way simpler !

as for NOSOUL: yeah, but i have downloaded the 8edition rule book on the homepage of wizards. it doesn't really do anything much, but i am not a beginners, but far from being an expert !

just that we're still learning which is something important in those card games !

anyway... thanks to your help guys if i ever need answers again, i'll know who to talk to !

[_dmx_]

[quote:post_uid13="SSJKarma"]what the hell... yu gi oh, easier !
if any one has a monster stronger then you you can't even compete with him until you can pull a monster stronger then him.

you can't put a monster 5 level and above without sacrifincing a certain umber of moster on the field but everytimes you put one your opponent destroys it ! and unlike the TV SHOW we don't get the cards we need for our strategie, the thing is, can you even have a strategie in yugioh ?

MAGIC, you got a cost, and unless your opponents plays cardas that get rid of the lands you have, which it is rare to have that in a deck, then you sure to be able to make monsters come out. believe me MAGIC is way simpler !

as for NOSOUL: yeah, but i have downloaded the 8edition rule book on the homepage of wizards. it doesn't really do anything much, but i am not a beginners, but far from being an expert !

just that we're still learning which is something important in those card games !

anyway... thanks to your help guys if i ever need answers again, i'll know who to talk to ![/quote:post_uid13]
yu gi oh is easy if your monster is weak thier are magic and traps to help your monster and to prove it in magic its so confusing reading the dumb cards and thier is alot of cards in magic making it long and boring :angryfire:

[SSJKarma]

are you trying to tell me there aren't many cards and that they all are well explained ?

i hope not, cause its far from well explained and its far from having not so many cards !

MAGICS = about 3000
YU GI OH = more then a 1000 and still rising !

guess there is a big difference, but who cares, having a choice of cards is what makes it fun !
as for YU GI OH... sorry, i have cards in my JOEY DECK that are used for somethings, but when i read the card, sorry it just didn't made sense, so i checked on the net and blam, what's writen on the card is false cause KONAMI suddetnly changed the card doing to make sure it still goes with the rest of the new cards !

at least, in magic, they ADD new CARDS, but they never changed the old ones and the old ones are still the good to use, while in yugioh, the later cards are all way better then old ones !

at least monster wise, sorry, i tryed YUGIOH, i learned it, at least i tryed. i searched the net fo rit so i can understand it more, i have sought to learn it by all means, yet i still can't understand even the basics, cause even what's writen in the RULE BOOK that came with the DECK i bought is not even explaining it rigth !

so say what you want, MAGIC rules over all other card games !

** EDIT **
oh and let me clear up again...
you say 20 point of life is confusing but 8000 isn't ?
dude, iuf you got trouble calculating numbers under 10, i suggest you go back to school at once !



Edited By SSJKarma on Oct. 13 2003 at 23:15