Neo vs ryu - Who would win in a fight

[darkjaffa]

seein the new matrix movie and wat neo can do i was impressed but i think it would be a hard battle!!!!!!!!

[pip99]

####...its antonoy...what have they done they drawing u in man....run meh bac 2 da topic...they can both dodge bullets but neo would win in the martrix in real world...neos a weak human...so ryu would kill him.and dude its a cartoon and a movie.

[SSJKarma]

agree to some extent...
Neo has all the chances he needs in the real world also !

he learned a lot of cobat techniques, its not because he fights in the matrix that he doesn't know them in real life... after all, what your mind knows, your body can follow too ! its just that the irrealistic fights will be impossible in real life. but the fighting techs he learned makes him more then worthy to fight ryu !

now, that kind of topic is just gay and serves no purpose ! why would you want to know when you know the answer already ?

anyway... ryu can dodge bullets ?
as far as i know, he doesn't !
he's just a regular human with great fighting skills... nothing to do with speed and on that, he can use some energy techs ! but that's mainly all ! (surely you were reffering to that crappy movie called SFA)

he as an advantage on neo tho, he knows energy, but even tho, they cannot even exists in the same realm !

REAL MOVIES and ANIMES cannot mix, they are completely different as completely different realities. the MATRIX is based on real things, but the SF is based on energy which can be thrown and supposely is the next step in FIGHTING. which normal humans cannot acheive yet, or so i haven't seen any yet !

[pip99]

lol i was refering to that none crappy movie.

[jonsey_16]

Actually neo does have powers outside the matrix because if you have watch the latest matrix film you find that neo destroys some sentinals in the outside world so therefore this makes you wrong pip!!!!!!!!! :D :D
:p :p

[pip99]

Actually neo does have powers outside the matrix because if you have watch the latest matrix film you find that neo destroys some sentinals in the outside world so therefore this makes you wrong pip!!!!!!!!! :D :D
:p :p
shut up mike. ryu would hadoken him game over.

[jonsey_16]

have you even saw the newest matrix
no well shut up then
and im not being funny but i reckon neo could take it and the martial art his ass!!!!!!

[pip99]

have you even saw the newest matrix
no well shut up then
and im not being funny but i reckon neo could take it and the martial art his ass!!!!!!
AAAAAAlirite mike.

[jonsey_16]

AAAAAAALRITE THEN PHILL!!!!!!!!

[pip99]

and i really dont care about losig knowing u paly on EO lol gives me that warm fuzzy feeling on the inside.

[jonsey_16]

at least i dont start snapping out and punching everyone when i loose!!!!!!!!! :angryfire:

[pip99]

at least i dont start snapping out and punching everyone when i loose!!!!!!!!! :angryfire:
thats a joke u EO user.and mike off topic..

[jonsey_16]

im sorry phillip your right!!!!

i feel heart on hand i think ryu would win
and thats right phillip you just tell yourself that you dont snap out about loosing!!!!!!!
:buttrock:

[pip99]

im sorry phillip your right!!!!

i feel heart on hand i think ryu would win
and thats right phillip you just tell yourself that you dont snap out about loosing!!!!!!!
:buttrock:
AAAARite then mike ....lets play alpha 3 or EX2 mike ....ud get slaped. and meh ryu would win close topic,

[jonsey_16]

look phil be calm bout this situation
you snap when you loose which is quite often on other games but on this game you are a monster vectran!!!!!!
:buttrock:



who said chris was a noob???
I'll have em!!!!!!! :angry:

[DanYankees]

You two lovers or something?

Quit just talking back and forth on a topic as useless as this one.

Anyway, Neo hands down. No chance for Ryu.

[Termin8r]

Ugh, I dont even know why I even posted. Anyway,
Cheers

[pip99]

You two lovers or something?

Quit just talking back and forth on a topic as useless as this one.

Anyway, Neo hands down. No chance for Ryu.
no just a mate from skool and we discussed OUTSIDE the matrix ryu would whoop him cause neo is just a human.

[marvel911]

Oh were talking about crappy Sf Ryu...I dunno they both star in things that suck...But I'd say Neo. :alien:

[Flip_boi35]

tha winner is ryu you no becauce his good

[alamgir]

listen in the matrix ryu will die easily but now i have found out that even in the real world he can also die becos in the matrix reloaded neo suddenly realises he has power in the real world at the end.

[SSJKarma]

why is that everyone votes for who they loves the most ?

RYU wouldn't be sure to win....
FACT... if you know how to fight, you know it !
be it in the real or virtual world, so techniques talking, neo as all the chances he needs against RYU !

FACT : RYU IS A ####### NORMAL GUY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so why would neo be sure to be killed ? surely not because he is just a normal human cause ryu is one too. ryu has advanced knowledge that neo doesn't like ki projection, but that's mainly all !
other then that, neo have all his chances.

and for the one who says neo has power in the real world also... then you didn't understand that killing 5 sentinels made go out of consiousness for an unlimited time !

so no, i don't think (in the real world) that they can either win it easily ! the one who would win is more likely to be ryu with his ####### hadoken, but other then that, ryu and neo in real world are the same !

now everyone stop the flaming if ya don't want this topic closed !
(i do hope someone's close it)

[Nantuko Joe]

Just like the Neo vs Goku topic, i'll repeat myself.

Inside the Matrix, Neo would defeat Ryu with ease. Neo is faster than Ryu, and knows every martial art known to man. Any of Ryu's supers/specials/whatever can be dissipated by Neo's abilities (he can stop them just like he can stop bullets). Therefore, Neo would win inside the Matrix.

Outside the Matrix, however, is a different story. Neo can use the martial arts inside the Matrix because he's only using his mind, not his own physical abilities. Therefore, he is unable to use the martial arts outside the Matrix. Therefore, Ryu would have a very big edge in the fight outside the Matrix.

alamgir: Neo was able to use the self-projected EMP on the Sentinal outside the Matrix for a very simple reason. All of the sentinals are connected to the Matrix. All of the machines (run by the machines) are connected to the Matrix. Therefore, because Neo can use his powers inside the Matrix, he is able to control and stop the Sentinals because they are connected to the Matrix.

He can NOT use his abilities on Ryu outside the Matrix, because Ryu is not a machine connected to the Matrix. Therefore, Neo's powers are useless outside the Matrix against Ryu.

So if he develops his abilities further, he can control the machines outside the matrix (something that they will introduce in the third movie)

[SSJKarma]

nantuko:
let me give you an example of what i say about MIND and BODY !

if the MIND is the thing that makes the body works, then what the mind knows, the body follow !

so yeah, i do think that what he learned (martial arts) can be used even in real life !
its goes like that...
if your mind doesn't know it, your body cannot do it !
like walking or eating, if you never learned to use your legs to learn and always walking on your knees, then how can the person 's mind know it ?

its as simple as that !
so if he neo learned kung fu !
then he knows it in real life too !

example of my theory:
neo on the chair, after learning it, said... I KNOW KUNG FU !
wasn'T he in the real world when he said it ? if so then why wouldn't he be able to use in real life as well ?

the only thing that he can do in the matrix while fighting that he cannot do outside of it... is the crazy not-possible moves he did ! but as its been seen while fighting morpheus... he can easily do basic fighting and really knows the different martial arts. (remember, at that time he wasn't knowing about the system rules)

also, against that chinese guy in the second movie, also basic fighting ! not fancy moves that completely goes against the laws of physics !

so i ask again, how couldn't he be fighting outside the matrix ?
if the mind direct the body and make him do things, then its clear that neo also knows the martial arts and can do them in real life !

as for the sentinel things...
i doubt it to be the truth nantuko ! it would be to moronic and stupid !

my theory is this one...
AGENT SMITH, when destroyed by neo, gained access to what neo was able to do, modifying code and the likes, neo without knowing it altered the code of agent smith and made him a complete program all by himself.

now, when neo was about to get erased and replaced by agent smith (duplicate) the bond between both gained strenght, thus giving neo the same kind of link that agent smith had while in this guy outside the matrix !

which means... neo have partial control over the machines in the real world !

why is your theori moronic and stupid...
because neo wasn'T even in the matrix, he wasn't seeing any codes, he wasn'T anywhere near the matrix code... so how could he be controlling them thru the matrix ?

other theory that i have, but still a little stupid.. tho it would be non-expected !
they were still in the matrix !
as in, the machines realoaded the matrix already and made it be in that day so neo think he is in the real world !
but that's only my second guess... i doubt its this thou !

[Nantuko Joe]

Just because the mind knows how to do it doesn't mean the body is fit to be able to execute it. If my legs are chopped off tomorrow, i'll still KNOW HOW to walk, i am just unable to do it because i'm not ABLE to do it. The same is for the matrix. In the Matrix, you use your mind. When Neo uses his martial arts in the matrix, it is independent of his physical strength, stamina, and speed. For example, take the first movie. When Neo said that he lost to Morpheus because Morpheus was stronger and faster, Morpheus said that his being stronger and faster had NOTHING to do with his muscles (aka: PHYSICAL status) while in the Matrix. Therefore, even though Neo knows every martial art in the world while in the Matrix, he would probably be unable to use them in real life, because in real life, he would be dependent on his own physical body, while in the matrix, he is dependent on his mind. Do you really think that Trinity is capable of leaping from one building to another (like she did in the opening of the first movie) in real life? Doing that did NOT break the system rules and controls of the Matrix (unlike the movements of the Agents and Neo), it required her mind to believe that she could do it.


As for the controlling the Sentinals thing....you think MY theory is moronic and stupid? Yours is the dumbest one i've ever heard. First of all, what you said was NOT the reason why Smith is able to copy himself. Smith even said he has no idea why he was able to replicate himself. What he said was HIS theory, but not FACT. Also, there IS NO bond between Neo and Smith. A bond would mean that the two of them were somehow connected, which is not the case. If Smith's theory is true, then yes, some part of Neo's programming rubbed off on Smith's own. However, when Neo resisted Smith's cloning ability, he resisted all of it. Smith's cloning ability would NOT give Neo any more abilities. If this was the case, wouldn't Morpheus get the same type of ability? He was being cloned, yet the process was halted when Neo knocked Smith away. Therefore, wouldn't that give Morpheus control over the machines?

Now, in the first movie we are shown that the Sentinals (as well as all the other enemy machines) are connected by the Matrix. Until he gets the ability to replicate himself, Smith can NOT interact with the real world...his existence is limited to the Matrix. Yet, he specifically tells another agent "Deploy the Sentinals." Therefore, the actions of the enemy machines in the real world can be controled by agents and programs that run INSIDE the matrix. Now, Neo has no real power in the real world...his only ability is to be able to control aspects of the Matrix. Now, because the Sentinals are connected to the Matrix, he has control over them. If he can control the Matrix, he can control ALL aspects of the Matrix, including machines connected to it. He passed out afterwards because apparently these abilities will require more training and development before he can use them to their full potential. I never said Neo controlled them THROUGH the Matrix. He does not need to see the Matrix code to use Matrix-altering abilities. As you know, (it is definately implied, prolly stated in the movie) that Neo is beginning to develop the same powers as the Oracle. In other words, he can sense events in the Matrix while outside, and vice versa. When he is plugged into the Matrix, he can sense what is happening outside the Matrix. He was able to HEAR Trinity yell his name at the end of the first movie, when the Sentinal was coming closer to them, and then when he heard her, he ran to the phone. He also predicted (in a dream sequence, which would be sight and mind) that Trinity would be shot fighting an Agent, and it came true. Therefore, Neo can somewhat interact with the Matrix when he isn't even plugged into it! Now, it seems that throughout Reloaded this ability was given time to grow, and I believe that the simple sight/hearing and dream/prediction interaction grew and developed into the ability to CONTROL aspects of the Matrix, even when he isn't plugged in. Now, because the Sentinals are connected to the Matrix, they are now considered aspects of the Matrix....aspects that are subject to Neo's new control. He passed out because of the amount of force he exerted (stopping and disabling three Sentinals) on his first try, and apparently such massive use of his abilities left him completely drained (like in DBZ when they use all their power in a single attack, they get drained). THAT is the most logical theory concerning Neo's outside-the-Matrix ability. It's an extention of his in-Matrix ability, the ability to control the Matrix and whatever is connected to it.

[shin~bison]

See post above...and shin, NEVER quote this much again unless theres a purpose.
whoa... :biggrin: lot of explaining there... I get your theory but I guess I'll go with a basic principle as long as it's in the matrix NOTHING WOULD DEFEAT NEO.. but I've not seen him do enough things to make him stand a chance against ryu in the real world

And Joe... Is there anylimit to Neo's powers? Cause it seems revolutions would be whoa! :biggrin:



Edited By viper2040 on May 25 2003 at 16:47

[PSYCHO]

matrix reloaded really sux
xmen2 ownz it :)
and uh.. ryu would win.

[bloodpack]

come one ppl
dont take all this $hit seriously
both ryu and neo are just fiction
theres no such thing as matrix and theres no such thing as ryu's hadoken

ppl tend to exagerate thing...

[SSJKarma]

BLOODPACK: exactly what i said in the first place !

NANTUKO: you gotta admit this...

MORPHEUS:"the body cannot live without the MIND !"
so basically that meant that the MIND cannot LIVE without a BODY !

so basically, your theory prooves nothing !
example:
you made a program called MYPROGRAM, you upload it to the web so people can play with it !
you lose the source code to it...
can you change it and continu upgrading it if you cannot even touch the code or doesn't even have the program anymore ?

the answer is no !
neo can do a lot of things in the matrix...
but really, if he doesn'T even see the matrix or doesn't be even close to it ! he cannot do #### about it !

and as far as i know...
neo has everything he has, he still ahave all his members. training can give him the strenght he needs and the stamina of it !
how hard is it to do a simple punch ?
how many strenght does it need to do it and how much speed does it need to give that same punch ?
don't even tell me that neo isn't even capable of doing those. kicks and punches aren't hard to do, i started learning moves that i wasn't able to do a lot of time ago, but now i can do them easily.

i continu to say that if the mind knows it, the body can follow to some extent !
example:
in the matrix he they can jump from building to building !
in realaity those rules they bent to do it cannot be bent now, so they cannot !
but fighting with martial arts that doesn't requires those high stunts is very very very very possible even in the real world !
true that neo cannot do high flying stunts while outside the matrix, but that doesn't mean he cannot use what he learned in the real world !

the kicks and punches aren'T that hard to do, they doesn't requires the strenght of speed that neo has in the matrix to be executed well, he just have to know how to do them properly which he actually knows pretty damn well !

so again, why wouldn't neo be able to use his martial arts techniques in the real world ?
how hard is it to do the simple moves we saw in the first movie ?

BTW: my friend can really do 4 or 5 steps on a wall before gravity gets him back to earth !

EDIT:
i add this because of your first comment about my theory and the fact that morpheus cannot do it as well !

didn't morpheus said that all neo had to do was to actually free his mind to be able to do everything he wants in the matrix ?
if so, then why is morpheus still not capable of doing the same things as neo ?
trinity as well if ya want to...
they say that neo just need to believe he can do it to be able to do so...
then why isn't the others capable of doing while they were actually been doing this for the last years ?

that's what makes the MATRIX STORY looking like bullpoop !
so i say, the bond between neo and agent smith is there, but not between morpheus and agent smith. so it didn't affect morpheus !



Edited By SSJKarma on May 25 2003 at 12:53

[viper2040]

allow me to interject something...i know some basic shotokan karate, as well as having had around 2 years of taekwando. I KNOW many techniques, but cannot perform them anymore due to deteoriation of skills and balance. SSJKarma has a point to some extent, but knowledge alone would not make neo an expert in martial arts in the real world.

just as neo had trouble walking when he first came out of the matrix, though he knew how to do it, he would find him self having trouble with martial arts the first time he uses them.

Further, i didnt see the movie, but this self projected EMP im hearing about would have little or no effect on ryu. EMPs may7 eventually cause cancer or complications to living tissue, but are designed to **** up electronics. That energy wave or ryu's, however, would either travel at the speed of electricity (about 1/10 or so of speed of light), or at the speed of light itself (i rather suspect it would be the speed of light). Neo in the matrix can only move faster than bullets, and would still be restricted to moving the4 speed of electricity. Thus, ryu could indeed kill him with the hadoken, in OR out of the matrix.



Edited By viper2040 on May 25 2003 at 16:49

[Nantuko Joe]

the answer is no !
neo can do a lot of things in the matrix...
but really, if he doesn'T even see the matrix or doesn't be even close to it ! he cannot do #### about it

He was able to hear things in the outside world while in the Matrix, and was able to see into the Matrix when he was in the real world. This all happened. Therefore, if he could do simple things such as hearing and seeing w/o being in contacts with the Matrix, then he could indeed develop the ability to INTERACT with the Matrix, even though he's not connected.

i continu to say that if the mind knows it, the body can follow to some extent !
example:
in the matrix he they can jump from building to building !
in realaity those rules they bent to do it cannot be bent now, so they cannot !
but fighting with martial arts that doesn't requires those high stunts is very very very very possible even in the real world !
true that neo cannot do high flying stunts while outside the matrix, but that doesn't mean he cannot use what he learned in the real world !

NO! You're wrong there...jumping from building to building in the Matrix requires NO bending of the rules. The only one that can bend the rules of the Matrix is Neo. Yet, Trinity and Morpheus were both able to jump great distances (one building to the other) with ease. Although Morpheus talked much about bending and breaking the rules and controls, he was never able to do it. The only ones capable of breaking the Matrix's rules and controls are Neo, Agents, and Smith (as well as the ghosts)

so again, why wouldn't neo be able to use his martial arts techniques in the real world ?
how hard is it to do the simple moves we saw in the first movie ?

Because like I said, although the mind knows how to do them, the body probably lacks the ability to do them PHYSICALLY. Take viper's example for instance. His whole life he was able to WALK, RUN, SWIM, do anything a normal person is able to do while INSIDE the Matrix. However, when he was unplugged, his muscles had to be rebuilt in order for him to do those things OUTSIDE the matrix. This proves my point: the mind may know HOW to do things (such as walk), but the body cannot PERFORM them (Neo is unable to walk and move because his muscles are NOT CAPABLE of doing it).

i add this because of your first comment about my theory and the fact that morpheus cannot do it as well !
didn't morpheus said that all neo had to do was to actually free his mind to be able to do everything he wants in the matrix ?
if so, then why is morpheus still not capable of doing the same things as neo ?
trinity as well if ya want to...
they say that neo just need to believe he can do it to be able to do so...
then why isn't the others capable of doing while they were actually been doing this for the last years ?
that's what makes the MATRIX STORY looking like bullpoop !
so i say, the bond between neo and agent smith is there, but not between morpheus and agent smith. so it didn't affect morpheus !

To say the bond only affects Neo and Smith and not Morpheus is stupid...it leaves a HUGE hole in your theory. Morpheus tells Neo to free his mind, and if he can believe he can do the martial arts, then he CAN do the martial arts. If he can believe he can jump one building to another, then he CAN do it. Neo is capable of doing HIS abilities because he is not like Morpheus...he is the reincarnation of the One.

About the bond...there is no bond. WHy? Smith said that some of Neo's programming RUBBED OFF on him. What happened was that Smith gained the information on how to replicate, etc. They are not connected. It was a TRANSFER of information. If I send you an email, our computers are NOT connected, there is no bond between our computers. Therefore, if you believe that Smith using his replication on Neo and having it interrupted gave Neo new abilities, then you'd have to say that Morpheus would have gotten the same abilities, because he underwent the same procedure.

[SSJKarma]

nantuko:
i think you missunderstood what i said !

let me resay what i asked you...
HOW CAN A SIMPLE PUNCH BE NOT POSSIBLE IN THE REAL WORLD ?

let me recap what you're saying...
you say that, in the real world, neo's muscles aren't enought for him to walk or do martial arts !
for all i know a lot of martial arts requires a basic strenght to be good !
example would be JUDO which is using the strenght of others against themselves !
other example...
neo is coming, running at someone then jump kick him !
how hard is that ?
anyone even one who never did martial arts can do that !
so again, saying neo cannot do martial arts that he learned, because of his muscles not capable of giving the required strenght to do them is completely stupid, cause a lot of martial arts doesn't even need strenght to be done !

once you know the moves, its easy to try and do them as well !

as for morpheus capable of stepping from building to building...
morpheus said the rules in the matrix aren't different from any other computer system ! which basically means that in order to do those high flying jumps, they had to believe they could as well as bending the gravity physic so they can actually do it !

that's what morpheus said, but what he also meaned, was that those simple matters, was all they could do, but neo could go over those borders !

if you didn't understood that then you completely misunderstood the whole movie !

example:
neo hacks into a bank computer system !
trinity hacks into another one !
since the matrix is basically a system like the rest. why wouldn't they be able to hack into it which is exactly what they are doing which the phone lines !

also, morpheus was referring to the fact that to be able to hack into the matrix, you gotta hack your own mind and make him do what you want to do !

so basic bending is really possible for everyones.
but what neo does (flying and the likes) no one ever suceeded in going that far in hacking ! that's why he is the one !

[slash_2025]

Okkkkk this topic is getting way out of hand and too much "explaining" goin on so maybe someone should close this topic soon. ( I have no clue why I posted here.....)

[Nantuko Joe]

nantuko:
i think you missunderstood what i said !
let me resay what i asked you...
HOW CAN A SIMPLE PUNCH BE NOT POSSIBLE IN THE REAL WORLD ?
let me recap what you're saying...
you say that, in the real world, neo's muscles aren't enought for him to walk or do martial arts !
for all i know a lot of martial arts requires a basic strenght to be good !
example would be JUDO which is using the strenght of others against themselves !
other example...
neo is coming, running at someone then jump kick him !
how hard is that ?
anyone even one who never did martial arts can do that !
so again, saying neo cannot do martial arts that he learned, because of his muscles not capable of giving the required strenght to do them is completely stupid, cause a lot of martial arts doesn't even need strenght to be done !

No, you apparently misunderstood what I said. Or rather, what I DIDN'T say. Did I ever say he couldn't throw a simple punch? No. Did I ever say he couldn't throw a kick? No. Did I say he couldn't do simple stuff such as "running at someone then jump and kick them?" No. Did I say that he can NOT use the true forms of these martial arts, such as running up walls IN REAL LIFE, doing all kinds of reversals, and being able to fight off multiple opponents, and pulling off moves such as the lobby gunfight from the first movie? YES. Like I said, he cannot do these things because the body is not as flexible as the mind. His mind can do things his body cannot. You have to look at more simple things. In the Matrix, his mind can imagine his hair (the residual self-imaging), and can get rid of the holes in his body, when in real life he has very little to no hair, and he DOES have holes. When he is performing martial arts in the matrix, his mind is capable of doing it even though his body is not. Let me use an example:

Remember what Morpheus said about residual self imaging, which is how the character appears inside the Matrix. In real life, at the time (first movie), Neo was near-bald with holes in his body. However, his MIND saw himself with NO holes and LONG hair. Therefore, the mind can imagine in the Matrix what is not there in real life. Now, let's say Neo gets his arm chopped off in real life. In the Matrix, he would have TWO arms, the missing arm would be replaced, because his mind IMAGINED him with both arms. Now, according to your theory, if Neo can fight with two arms inside the Matrix, he can fight with two arms outside the matrix. However, this would be imposible, because he'd only have one arm.

So, using that as an example, a simple punch using your right hand is not possible in the real world if the person does not possess a right hand in real life.

as for morpheus capable of stepping from building to building...
morpheus said the rules in the matrix aren't different from any other computer system ! which basically means that in order to do those high flying jumps, they had to believe they could as well as bending the gravity physic so they can actually do it !
that's what morpheus said, but what he also meaned, was that those simple matters, was all they could do, but neo could go over those borders !
if you didn't understood that then you completely misunderstood the whole movie !

Um, no, I understand the movie fine. Morpheus did indeed say that the rules of the Matrix are no different from the rules of a program: that they can be bent and broken. He said that Neo can be stronger and faster than anyone because he can break the rules. However, by using logic and common sense, you'd realize that if Morpheus tried hard enough, he could also break these rules and boundaries just as Neo can. He said that if you free your mind, you can do anything. So if Morpheus merely took his own advice, he could do anything Neo can do. This is apparently a minor plothole on the Wachowski Brothers' part. (I found another BIG one too, but it's off-topic)

example:
neo hacks into a bank computer system !
trinity hacks into another one !
since the matrix is basically a system like the rest. why wouldn't they be able to hack into it which is exactly what they are doing which the phone lines !
also, morpheus was referring to the fact that to be able to hack into the matrix, you gotta hack your own mind and make him do what you want to do !
so basic bending is really possible for everyones.
but what neo does (flying and the likes) no one ever suceeded in going that far in hacking ! that's why he is the one !

Umm...exactly what did I say that your quote is referring to? And to hack the matrix, you do NOT have to "hack your own mind." Like i said (twice already....you decided not to read it i guess), it is FACT that Neo can interact with the real world while in the Matrix, and it is FACT that Neo can interact with the Matrix even when he's unplugged and 100% outside the Matrix. This is shown to a very slight extent in the first film (hearing Trinity's voice), an even higher extent in the second film (making his prediction and stopping the Sentinal), and will be fully developed by time the third film rolls around.

And Neo is not "the One" just because he can hack into the Matrix. It has nothing to do with it. Just wait until the third movie...you'll see. Neo is "the One' because Morpheus believes it. However, you'll see in the third movie that there is no such thing as "the One." If you saw Reloaded, you'd know that The Prophesy was BS. There is no "The One." What The Oracle said was false. And I can almost predict that in the third movie, Neo will show everyone what I'm telling you now: that ANYONE can do what Neo can do. It just requires a higher level of concentration and ability.

"The One" is merely a title given to someone who can develop their in-Matrix abilities to the extent that Neo can. Take the first movie for instance. When Neo goes to see the Oracle, he is sat in a room with "the other Potentials." Each and every one of them had some form of the power that Neo ended up with. The young bald child had the ability to bend matter. Two of the girls had the ability to levitate blocks (which is ultimately a lesser form of Neo's ability to stop bullets). If these Potentials were given enough time, they could fully develop their ability, and then there would be more people with Neo's abilities....MORE people who would be just as powerful as Neo, proving that there is no SINGLE "The One," but that EVERYBODY is capable of doing what Neo can do.

Okkkkk this topic is getting way out of hand and too much "explaining" goin on so maybe someone should close this topic soon. ( I have no clue why I posted here.....)

Why should the topic be closed, and how is it getting "out of hand?" Because a frigging spamming nQOb can't understand what we're talking about? How about you simply don't frikkin read it, instead of biotching that you don't understand what's goin on.

[Roll's Friend]

Neo would stop a hadoken just how he would stop a bullet... :shocked:

[alamgir]

neo can see the matrix in the real world but he cant control it from there. If he could he could destroy anything that was bad inside the matrix like those white haired agents! duh. Ok i am not sayin no more about this topic becos look the matrix is a film street fighter is a game none of them are real so stopr arguein and waistin time on something thats not true!

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[Nantuko Joe]

neo can see the matrix in the real world but he cant control it from there. If he could he could destroy anything that was bad inside the matrix like those white haired agents! duh. Ok i am not sayin no more about this topic becos look the matrix is a film street fighter is a game none of them are real so stopr arguein and waistin time on something thats not true!

First off, they weren't agents, they were ghosts. And he can't do it YET, because his abilities are not that powerful yet.

[G_GUNDAM]

i dont believe a person made this stupid topic. i mean isnt if obvious. neo would beat the crap out of ryu. but outside of the matrix neo would be ryus bitch

[devilsoul]

yea and now i think it would be good 2 close this thread now

[kamayKA]

i dont want to get flamed by writing this gay idea but...
could neo and morpheus and trinity
and every other human in the movie still be in the matrix
but just a different type of matrix.. for instance if you play solitaire on your computer you are in solitaire but you are also in windows at the same time maybe the real world is the matrixs operating system? or maybe the real world is the matrix

[shin~bison]

i dont want to get flamed by writing this gay idea but...
could neo and morpheus and trinity
and every other human in the movie still be in the matrix
but just a different type of matrix.. for instance if you play solitaire on your computer you are in solitaire but you are also in windows at the same time maybe the real world is the matrixs operating system? or maybe the real world is the matrix
:biggrin: I just hope you don't get flamed but by doing that .. you're just adding more gasoline to fire.. I mean isn't the whole matrix thing confusing enough??

[alamgir]

what wrong with his idea? I think its a kind of good one. I think that the real world is actually a big matrix where AI was created and destroyed the matrix and the other matrix is just a smaller one inside of the big one