The politics thread. - Discuss local/statewide/nat'l politics

[Dan Hibiki]

This is a thread to discuss the politics of our time. Don't post here if you suck and are stupid on the topic. So :p.

I'll start the opening salvo off.

President bush is an absolute idiot. His own words and, "bushisms," prove this beyond a doubt, and at a minimum he has severe dyslexia. but, not only this, but he and his lackeys have made all the wrong desicision aside from going to war in Afghanistan.

Iraq? No right to enter Iraq. Won't admit he's wrong.
Economy? Not recovering well. Won't admit he's wrong.
National Guard service? Didn't do it right. Won't admit he's wrong.
Mean-spiritied nat'l re-election campaign? Check. Won't admit he's wrong.

There's plenty more too.

I have read a couple books about bush and his inadequacies, and I'll be happy to pass the titles along for people who want to read about what really's been happening in the last few years, and not what Shrub's been telling you all.

50 REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR buSH by Robert Sterling
The bush-Hater's Handbook: A Guide to the Most Appalling Presidency of the Past 100 Years by Jack Huberman.

The bush-Hater's handbook is the more analytical and argument-based of the two, and is quite good, but for those looking for an easier read with the facts put right up front, and little time spent on each of them, get 50 Reasons Not to Vote for bush.

Those should be available at Barnes & Noble.

[blossom]

well im not yet old enough to vote, but i can assure you that i wouldnt vote bush/cheaney if i was able to.
i have been paying close attention to the republican conventions that seem to have been on tv forever...FOREVER!
and i am not at all impressed by how they are going about with thier campaign. it would seem that thier plan is to get us to believe that since bush has had to deal with terrorism before that he's the best man for the job. to me thats like saying okay lets give him more chances to screw us > c. LMFAO i live in md/dc, and i dont feel safe walking outside on 9/11 just because that meathead bush thought it best to look for weapons of mass destruction that didnt exist. lol watch farenhiet 9/11 that movie was a real eye opener.

ps. i dont feel like correcting the errors up there^

[Saijin_Ryu]

omg, howboring can we get.. really.. 'politics' in an online gaming forum?

Can we spell I R O N I C - D O W N F A L L

Im sorry if i killed the mood =(

[SolidSnake76]

this is the non-sfo related section.

back in 2000 during the elections, i still believe gore should of won. it was either him or bush, but look who stole the elections thx to jeb.

what else? right after 9/11, he quickly signed the patriot act, which took away most of the bill of rights, ordered the attack on afganistan, which was a good move. but targeting iraq is one of the most stupidest act he ever did. 9/11 mark a recession and plumet in the US economy and this man got the gual to spend billions on the war in iraq and tell all this bullpoop lies about:

1) Iraq was responsible for the 11 September attacks

2) Iraq and al-Qa'ida were working together

3) Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a "reconstituted" nuclear weapons programme

4) Iraq was trying to import aluminum tubes to develop nuclear weapons

5) Iraq still had vast stocks of chemical and biological weapons from the first Gulf War

6) Iraq retained up to 20 missiles which could carry chemical or biological warheads, with a range which would threaten British forces in Cyprus

7) Saddam Hussein had the wherewithal to develop smallpox

8) US and British claims were supported by the inspectors

9) Previous weapons inspections had failed

10) Iraq was obstructing the inspectors

11) Iraq could deploy its weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes

12) The "dodgy dossier"

13) War would be easy

14) Umm Qasr

15) Basra rebellion

16) The "rescue" of Private Jessica Lynch

17) Troops would face chemical and biological weapons

18) Interrogation of scientists would yield the location of WMD

19) Iraq's oil money would go to Iraqis

20) WMD were found

and what is he doing about the economy? what is he doing about jobs? over 130,000,000,000 spent so far rather than on schools, health(especially aids), jobs, etc... but no, all on this war on iraq. they still aint find bin laden, shouldnt that be top priority? not invading and rebuilding another country for oil? and tell me its not for oil. after haliberten done take over everything there? the fields, the wells?

this war is a waste of time and money.

[_dmx_]

That "rescue was bull" they just throw that in to make people moan and support war.On the other hand i think its good sadam is out of power, you never know if he might have secrets to osama hide out etc. Anyways 9/11 could have happend to anyone who was preddent at time and bush took action but, i don't know about iraq bull.

[Angel-Eyes]

I think the focus of this election should be on the economy, not on stupid mistakes of both canidates....

[Dan Hibiki]

You ought to investigate those books I listed. They have some damning evidence in there about bush and Cheney's actions before and during the presidency. The things that they did are horrible. Did you know bush is a sadist, and mocked a man about to be executed in Texas by going, "No, please don't kill me," in a very mocking fashion?

On top of all the bad things that he's done, he's a liar about it. He says in just about every speech that the economy's strong. NO. He says that the war in Iraq is worth it. Worth 1,000+ servicemen's deaths? NO. Oh, and did you know that if a democrat is voted into office, a terrible attack will be suffered by the USA? So says Cheney, and I swear on it. He said that during a speech a week or two ago. Watch MSNBC. They show it every so often.

There's nothing but dirty politics coming from the Republicans. They're nothing but a bunch of election-stealing, lying, stupid, arrogant, rich bastards.

http://www.johnkerry.com

Spread the word. Get bush out of office. It's the least we can do for this country.

Oh, and just recently, did you know that your neighborhood gang can now buy assault weapons? The ban on assault weapons has lifted, and now they are available for purchase. Why did the provisions expire? Because bush wouldn't pressure congress to pass it again. Now, our streets are less safe thanks to him.

Let somebody disagree with me about bush. I'll be happy to educate the person. I have the facts in my books to back me up.



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[_dmx_]

^ what about kerry *coughs*...

[Dan Hibiki]

What about him? You can find details about his positions and such in that web page I linked to.



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[Virtual Fighter]

Oh, and just recently, did you know that your neighborhood gang can now buy assault weapons? The ban on assault weapons has lifted, and now they are available for purchase. Why did the provisions expire? Because bush wouldn't pressure congress to pass it again. Now, our streets are less safe thanks to him.
oh great... its the holywood bank murderer all over again..

*for those of you who dont know, the thing i was reffering to was when 3 men ransacked a bank, shot up police with a automatic gun, and could not get hit because of their armor. they killed 13 people.*

[HelperX]

omg, howboring can we get.. really.. 'politics' in an online gaming forum?

Can we spell I R O N I C - D O W N F A L L

Im sorry if i killed the mood =(
i think he should be replaced but thats my openion lol i think that a ghost is making him do this the ghost might looke like this :ghostface: but thats all in my little created mind lol

[iTALY]

Kerry should just do what martin did against harper. Just bash bush and show the public howbig of a moron he is. Anti- bush commercials all the way.



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[Dan Hibiki]

Oh, and just recently, did you know that your neighborhood gang can now buy assault weapons? The ban on assault weapons has lifted, and now they are available for purchase. Why did the provisions expire? Because bush wouldn't pressure congress to pass it again. Now, our streets are less safe thanks to him.
oh great... its the holywood bank murderer all over again..

*for those of you who dont know, the thing i was reffering to was when 3 men ransacked a bank, shot up police with a automatic gun, and could not get hit because of their armor. they killed 13 people.*
I believe that was actually two people, but I know what you're talking about. Horrible event. I saw a special on it on MSNBC. Those people were so heavily armed and armored, bullets bounce off of them and the police needed to raid a nearby weapons store for more powerful weapons to fight them. That can happen again, thanks to bush.

iTALY: all bush can do is attack John Kerry. "He threw away his medals," this, and, "No he really wasn't under attack when he received those medals," that (which, incidentally, is a lie), and, "I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it," twisting of words. It's all they can do, because they have a record to run from.

Check out those books. If you dislike bush, or are neutral, they'll open your eyes to what's going on in the bush White House.

[SolidSnake76]

my golbal hist teacher showed me this book in class 'all that is evil' by bush or sum1 associated with him. the man said its a scary book like mein kampf. u know anything bout that one dan? i couldnt find it anywhere.

[blaze985]

Hibiki, Hibiki, Hibiki... After all the chats and debates and such we've had, you call Republicans all those bad things? I'm a Republican! Am I all those BAD things you mentioned? Hmm? You're just mad because Giefy owns Dan...

Anyways, back to the topic, I'd have to say that if bush has Dyslexia(sp), what of it? Is it right to diss someone simply because they have a reading disorder? I think it takes a bit of courage to go and make public speeches on T.V. that anyone in the world can get a hold of when you have a disorder such as Dyslexia. At least bush doesn't flip-flop all the time. Since SUV's are more expensive to buy and better for industrialists, he tells them he has one. but, when the environmentalists talk about howbad they are for the environment, he tells them he doesn't have one. bush may have lied before, but at least he keeps telling the same lie over and over again without changing midstream. At least we know what he's going to do. You can't say that for Kerry. Kerry doesn't care about America. The only good Democratic president I can think of that we've ever had was Clinton, and he ended up screwing up, too. Oh, and I forgot... It isn't bush's job to pressure Congress into passing the law for automatic weapons. It's Congress' job to just do it. bush said he'd sign it, and he would have. Congress dropped the ball. Not bush.

*Cough*Vote me to be your President.*Cough* :unclesam:



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[Dan Hibiki]

SolidSnake: I dunno. Haven't heard of that. I'll look into it.

blaze: Kerry doesn't flip-flop as much as the RNC would like you to think. He has flip-flopped before, but at least we know that he DOESN'T stand where bush stands.

How can you say Kerry doesn't care about America, when he went to Viet Nam and fought for America, and was wounded 3 times?

You're incorrect about bush and assault weapons. It IS his job to pressure congress to do what he wants. Just saying that he'd sign it isn't pressure. He should've pressured them, and gotten the bill to pass, and he did not do that. He caved into pressure from the NRA and let it slide. Now we are less safe than before, thanks to him.

Oh, and this too... I don't want a president that can't read or say things right. Leads to serious problems with relations with other countries. Personally, I think that bush is an idiot too, and that's what most of the WORLD thinks.

Can you ignore all of the horrible things that bush has done? Iraq? Screwing up the economy? Assault weapons ban lifted? Whether or not you think it was his fault, it happened on his watch, and thusly IS his fault.

And the horrible rederick coming out of the Republican camp? It is almost beyond my comprehension how a person can be a republican in these times.

Edit: SolidSnake, is this it?

The president of good & evil : the ethics of George W. bush by Peter Singer

Haven't read it. I don't know. Might want to check the content when you find it to see if it is what your acquaintance was talking about.



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[Bob~Marley4004]

Have anyone seen that 9-11 movie? It speaks for itself why George bush shouldn't be a president any longer.



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[blanka09]

Welly well well.. not that this is my strongest field.. but it doesn't hurt to add my two cents here and there. :biggrin:

All I have to say is.. the so-called freedom fight in Iraq gives enough reason why this so-called decisive president who thinks making decisions when they count is what matters (not even thinking whether or not these decisions are right) shouldn't have a second term.

Nowbefore anyone quotes me.. I seriously believe in what the word of God says about praying for our leaders.. and I sincerely hope that bush is well and his family doesn't see any harm.. or no harm should come their way. However, you look at that and think about the 1000 or so troops that have lost their lives in the unnecessary war in Iraq and you begin to wonder.. what the hell was he thinking??

I mean.. they didn't wait for the UN investigators to do their job.. they just went ahead and unleashed hell on those folks. If you think about it, the US might be doing more harm to it's own land than good. Why?? If you look at the teenagers that would surivive this ordeal caused by the USA, those would be the ones who would bear an unreal grudge against the US and would want to commit "terrorist acts" against the country that scarred them years ago. That's exactly how it starts.. and once reality kicks in, the USA would begin to know that Newton wasn't talking Jazz when he said for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.

George bush keeps on talking about how he has created jobs.. but if you look closely at the economy, you'll notice that the amount of jobs lost FAR exceeds the amount of jobs that are being created.

And Dan Hibiki, I'd like to thank you for bringing that assault ban lift thing. When you seriously think of it.. why the hell would you want to have a gun in ur own home. Legalizing weapons such as these are the things that enable the rise of crime in our streets. If you're Mr. A and you know Mr. T *cough* ownz a gun, and you're not sure whether or not he'll rob you, what's stopping you from going to get a gun of yours to try and stop the forseen danger (which has a probability of 1 - 100) from happening. It's all bull crap. Why legalize weapons?? It's not necessary. It would be much safe to know that no one has a gun that to know that at least everyone has one to protect himself or herself. And even though it's the congress' job to pass the law, I thought president was the head of the armed forces/every single poop in this country of America. There are ways to make things that would help your country work possible.

As far as I'm concerned, both parties do have their short comings... even though I'm not priviledged enough to pour out that of Kerry's right now.. but the fact remains that Mr. bush has done far more damage than good to have him remain as the president of the USA.

[blaze985]

Hibiki, you're wrong... A statement I wouldn't make without cause, considering you're as smart as you are. As the President, he's the head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of government. The Executive Branch does nothing but inforce the laws. Congress (the Legislative Branch) is the one who has the job of creating the laws. Congress is the one to blame for the automatic rifle ban being lifted, not bush.

In addition to that, you speak of how the Republicans do nothing but diss the Democrats. The only thing (and I do mean ONLY) I ever hear Kerry talk about are his stupid medals that mean nothing after he came back home and fought against the Vietnam War and how he thinks he's better than bush in this category or that category.

Oh, and about the medals... I know a Vietnam veteran who has read up on the medals Kerry "won." I asked him about them, and he told me how the medals Kerry won are, for the majority, awarded through group efforts. That means Kerry isn't some hero. He's just some dude who happened to be in the right group of people.

[coolkilla]

I havent even registered to vote because I really dont care who wins when you get down too it because I dont really like either one of the canidates but on the other hand I dont want bush too win again =\....Ill register when its worth the time...=\

[DA_VIPA]

americans are fat,lazy,rich and ignorant except for ignorance everyone else wants to be american.

[Virtual Fighter]

im an american, and im not fat, lazy OR rich. im pretty fliping sure im not ignorent.

quit your stereotyping.

[_dmx_]

da vipa the usa have well trained dentist =X...

[SolidSnake76]

americans are fat,lazy,rich and ignorant except for ignorance everyone else wants to be american.
watch your mouth.

you dont know about the homeless here.

[blaze985]

Stereotyping is pointless... Everything you mentioned can and does happen in any other country...

[Dan Hibiki]

Hibiki, you're wrong... A statement I wouldn't make without cause, considering you're as smart as you are. As the President, he's the head of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of government. The Executive Branch does nothing but inforce the laws. Congress (the Legislative Branch) is the one who has the job of creating the laws. Congress is the one to blame for the automatic rifle ban being lifted, not bush.

It's the president's job to establish a direction for the country, and to propose legislature to the congress, and pressure them to pass it. He didn't do that for the assault weapon's ban. He caved into NRA pressure.

In addition to that, you speak of how the Republicans do nothing but diss the Democrats. The only thing (and I do mean ONLY) I ever hear Kerry talk about are his stupid medals that mean nothing after he came back home and fought against the Vietnam War and how he thinks he's better than bush in this category or that category.

You ought to listen to him more. He criticizes bush a good deal, and has a plan for the economy that he put forth during the DNC. Watch MSNBC and you'll find out more about what he says. Especially watch MSNBC on Fridays at 7:00p.m. for the Hardball Horserace, which focuses on what each candidate is doing, what ads they put forth, etc.

Oh, and about the medals... I know a Vietnam veteran who has read up on the medals Kerry "won." I asked him about them, and he told me how the medals Kerry won are, for the majority, awarded through group efforts. That means Kerry isn't some hero. He's just some dude who happened to be in the right group of people.

He won medals for his courage in action, and the documentation supports that. He won 3 purple hearts because he was wounded 3 times.

I can GUARANTEE that if bush is re-elected, they'll be a draft. I should just be happy that I can't be drafted due to mental illness and medication being necessary.

Instead of attacking Kerry, why not explain why you back bush? Explain why you feel that bush deserves another 4 years.

[Angel-Eyes]

It's the president's job to establish a direction for the country, and to propose legislature to the congress, and pressure them to pass it. He didn't do that for the assault weapon's ban. He caved into NRA pressure.
uh oh.......

man, Im from michigan, an if you were to say somthing about how you want to ban guns in public up here.......you would be shot.


we hunt and own guns responsibly...... and thank God that bush isnt caving into these environmentalist wacko's pressure who want to save the wildlife.....

[evilhadoken]

well i havent been reading of what you guys said but i know what this thread is about so im just going to say what im going to say .

I think Kerry should be our president since ive been hearing that bush has made people lost more jobs than any other Presidents before him.
so kerry is better to which i think.

sorry to come in like that.....you guys can go back to what you were talking i just wanted to say that cuz it was saying it in a commercial.



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[DA_VIPA]

heh i knew that would set off some sparks lol. with all the fliping money ur government is spending on the poop in iraq couldnt it of solved ur homeless problem if its fit to call a problem? i just watched a video of a guy named nick berg im sure u guys heard of him and i saw is beheading it must be one of the most dispicable things ive seen in a while, they even slaughterd a muslim turk! these ppl arent muslims they rave allah as they kill their victims but they are not humanly sane they so brainwashed that killing in the name of allah is right its practically a chore for these fliperz like brushing their damn teeth and still americans and brits(who currently getting another few of their citisens slaughterd today) why are they still there? why cant you just back away and let these savages go at each others throats instead of ppl who got absolutely no chance at all.

[SolidSnake76]

vipa, fix up ur post. i can barely understand what u said.

but about that beheading, what the hell is the US gov't trying to porve? they wont give into terrorism by letting thier own people get killed? so far, nearly 5 americans has been kidnapped and killed and what did the gov't do? "there're-deaths-has-not-been-in-vain". thats all bush is saying and what he gonna say when those next 2 are killed.

iraq needs to be left alone, havent they done enough in there? theres no WMDs, saddam is gone, iraq got the democracy they gave them, theres no agenda. what is taking bush so long? is he that dumb enough to keep this going? what am i saying, he is. this country is doomed if he gets another 4 years.

[alamgir]

He's dumb alright. but I reckon its all for the oil as well.

[SolidSnake76]

He's dumb alright. but I reckon its all for the oil as well.
boy. it IS for the oil. why you think haliberten is the only company that got control over the wells?

one thing i cant understand is that the US already has control of the wells. why are gas prices still sky-rocketing? they must be that greedy for the money, right?

[alamgir]

Its George freakin bush he thinks he's the president of the world, all he want is money.

[Angel-Eyes]

Its George freakin bush he thinks he's the president of the world, all he want is money.
mudslinging without proof.......

[estset]

I can't decided witch one to post and also I can't voted beacuse I am young lol.

[Virtual Fighter]

Its George freakin bush he thinks he's the president of the world, all he want is money.
mudslinging without proof.......
you republicans would know about that, right?

[Angel-Eyes]

Im not republican....nor am I democrat....nor am I communist lol


Im in the same boat as george washington.....no parties......the way it should be.

[Virtual Fighter]

george washington was part of the flyer party "mindless productions"

wait- what?

[SolidSnake76]

Im not republican....nor am I democrat....nor am I communist lol


Im in the same boat as george washington.....no parties......the way it should be.
he was a federalist.

[Angel-Eyes]

Im not republican....nor am I democrat....nor am I communist lol


Im in the same boat as george washington.....no parties......the way it should be.
he was a federalist.
they called him a federalist, and he shared many of their views, but he denied being attached to any party, and was completely against them.

*cough* (http://wilstar.com/holidays/farewell.htm)



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[Dan Hibiki]

Similar views gets him labeled a federalist. He said he's against the party system, but his views were at least close to theirs, which makes him a federalist.