View Full Version : Capcom vs snk!: debate - Ahh.. yes... the long rivalry...
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 04:38 PM
state your opinion and give a explanation. the debate is of course, a debate between the powers of the two company's characters. my vote: SNK!!
mastaq
10-03-2002, 05:47 PM
I like Haohmaru so I'm going with SNK... :D
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 06:13 PM
yes! SNK RULES BABY!! *chants* SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK, SNK..........
mastaq
10-03-2002, 06:16 PM
LOL Calm down there guy. ;)
no spammign here.
hmm i will go with SNK .. ;)
sk8erfox805
10-03-2002, 06:32 PM
capcom :D
I'm going to have to go with capcom, because not only do they have my favorite characters in them, but they installed a larger combo system into some of their games. Plus they made great games, other than fighting games.
EDIT: I just noticed Prince's post AFTER this one, so I'm gonna write out the character thing.
I LOVE Capcom, because they can come up with very nice characters, and actually give them personalities that suit them. A great example would be Sagat, Chun-li, or Rose. They also draw the characters well, and they seem to be able to do nicely with animations, according to the series. They also made a lot of original characters, to boot.
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 06:41 PM
okay... maybe i didn't make myself clear enough, i was talking about fighting game characters. if they were in a battle who would win? and ppl, don't make short gay posts, i want some EXPLANATION! for your choice.
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 06:53 PM
alright, capcom rules! lol j/k
SNK RULES!! YEAH!!! lol
sure, capcom, may create original characters, but many of them are so boring.. yawn... (look at ryu, no personality at all, ken, what a clone) and then we have the cool SNK ppl:
Iori, Kyo(is it possible to get more cool than him???) , rock howard, igniz(coolest boss in any fighting game) and all the characters from samurai shodown(talk about originality).
and who said SNK characters aren't drawn well? ever visited the Neo Geo official website? the art on there is amazing.
Oh yeah? Ryu has a personality, but the only thing is that he doesn't show emotion. If you think SNK doesn't have clones, look at the characters. A lot of them are counter-parts of Capcom characters. For example: Ryu=Kyo, and Zangief=Raiden. (Remember, these are just examples)
And besides, Capcom creates DIFFERENT characters. They makes characters that very diverse, have different backgrounds, and different shades of emotion. You need to be able to see that before you can say they are "boring".
Capcom lives on...
Jhteck29
10-03-2002, 07:11 PM
capcom has a half man half eel, a bear wrestler, an insane yoga stretcher, and a screaming guy with claws. What a better lineup, right?
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 07:26 PM
okay, here is my analysis of some capcom characters:
ryu: boring, he barely does anything, like gamegen says, just a guy in a karate uniform, if i wanted to see that, i could go to karate class.
ken: clone
Sagat: very original for a muay thai fighter, but the guy doesn't look anything like a thai fighter, he looks like a friggin pirate
Zangief: russian wrestler, i guess he's pretty original.
Guile: very original
Charlie: once again, clone
Chunli: original but not very interesting, just a chinese tomboy with some traditional clothing
cody: original, but yawn.. boring still, looks like some criminal with a pretty face
rose: pretty original, but not interesting, looks like a british women in a dress/robe
Cammy:
Vega: looks like a copy of wolverine, the guy uses weapons, not really a fighter
guy: not really interesting, nice shoes though.
akuma: the only guy that's interesting, his hair is a little gay, but everything else is okay
dhalsim: this guy is very original, but his moves are gay. what kind of a yoga master stretches limbs? yoga doesn't do weird #### like that.
Ok, first of all, you're looking to gamegen. Look to some manga's, and cartoon episodes for the true personalities.
Ryu DOES have a personality. He's a man who wishes to become the strongest fighter in the whole world. He doesn't know very much about his parent's except that they left him. Unknowingly to him, he had a little brother. When they met, he expressed a lot of emotion towards the child. He has an overwhelming sadness that will never be overcome.
ken: He is a clone, but he still does have an original personality. Look at him. A rich karate guy, that has the attention span of a rat. The only times when his skills come to use, is during a fight, or for chasing women. (pervert...)
Sagat: Ever wonder why his attacks are called "Tiger-something"? It's because he based all of his attacks on the power of a tiger (which should also explain the eyepatch). After being defeated by Ryu in a fight long ago, he swore vengance upon the boy, and trained very hard in order to defeat him one day, or maybe even kill him. Because of his training, he was practically a social outcast, besides being in league with M. Bison and everyone else. As Adon is his student, though, you can tell he has a LOT of patience.
Zangief: I'll let Jaims take care of this one. :biggrin:
Charlie: Was placed in after some talks with the whole of the Capcom staff. Guile was to be removed, and replaced by someone who looked a bit more respectable, had some sense of humor, and wasn't totally bent on armies and their stuff.
Chun-li: You have to look at her past to know a lot about her. Her mother died a few years (?) after she was born. She was still a normal girl, however, and played and ran with the other children. But this only lasted until her father disappeared (probably dead, but capcom doesn't specify). It happened during a holiday, which was to be honored by the colors Blue and pink. All the other children marveled at the sight of all the costumes, the activities, festivities, etc. But only one girl wasn't enjoying anything. She walked around wearing grey clothing, which was the most unliucky color to wear at this time of year. People shunned her away from them, and later, she found some parentage under her Master, Gen. After being taught how to fight, and how to use her speed, she left and became a soldier. Afterwards, though, she became an interpol policewoman, and since her fathers disappearance, Chun-li hopes to find the man responsible for the disappearance (murder) of her father, M. Bison. After knowing this, you should see why she is bit of a tomboy. But she still shows off a very large feminine style and acting.
Cody: Now I notice you're basing everything on looks. Cody was supposedly a hero, until he was convicted for doing something very bad. He was thrown in jail, but unable to accept that life, he attempted to break out, which was, as you can see, successful. He has an over-confident personality, along with a large attitude.
Rose: Holder of the soul moves, and soul illusions, along with the ability to literaly be a fortune teller with her tarot cards, she can bend minds, and invade a lot of thoughts. Her abilities make her a very fearful person to face. She has a very mysterious personality, and hides a lot about herself. Little is known about the woman.
Cammy: What, couldn't think of anything to say about her?
vega: There's more to him then the claws. The claws, btw, are for scratching up people's faces who he thinks may be superior to his. That is why he wears a mask. He thinks he has the most beautiful face, and is considered a psycho-path.
He reall is one, though, and hates it when people even touch his face. He holds many deep problems within.
Guy: A bishounin ninja. His Technique is an ancient ninja style, that is used normally for assassinations. He disguises his identities and feelings to the world, in order to keep enemies off of him, and finding a weakness.
Akuma: He is interesting, but the hair is a trademark of him. It represents the burning desire to destroy all of life in order to be the strongest.
Dhalsim: Yoga is the art of streatching. People CAN streatch their limbs, and can be taught to do many things. You'd be surprised what training he had to go through to be able to streatch like that. He is simply amazing, and holds a calm and peaceful environment where ever he goes. The only time I don't like him is when he dances, and/or chants.
want to try again, Prince? :biggrin:
Tantum
10-03-2002, 08:06 PM
ok, lets just start off with this... no one cares about the personalities, it's a fighting game, not an RPG, if i wanna see personality, i'll play something else... ####, even sports games have more individual personalities now.
next... all companies have clone characters
i think SNK has more clones... but who cares?
two of my favorite characters are clones (ken, dong hwan)
back to the subject... it depends... if you're talking SNK fighting vs series capcom characters... SNK is no match. Alpha vs any SNK game, pretty even.
Personally, i think they should have made Street Fighter Alpha 2 Vs Garou: Mark of the Wolves. that would make an awesome game (with ALL characters in tact), heh.
Tantum
10-03-2002, 08:08 PM
heh, or Samurai Showdown Vs Vampire Savior.... :laugh:
Liger Zero
10-03-2002, 08:16 PM
SNK Is Beter,Cause They Have More Chars Than Street Fighter,Cause Street Fighter Makes Clones Like Charlie Was Cloned From Guile And That Other Wrestler Was Cloned From Zangeif,And So on And So forth.
SNK Is Much Beter Then Street Fighter.
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 08:19 PM
i've studied every single 2D fighting game character to the bone, i don't need you to give me a history lesson on all of them, just argue against my point, we are talking about the game, not manga or cartoons(they're not official, as tarkanx would say):
ryu: he certainly does NOT have a brother. that SF movie was NOT official. he certainly doesn't have any personality. sure he maybe sad, but it's nothing out of the ordinary for a hero.
ken: some personality, but not original, just a rich spoiled boy who learns karate but doesn't have the talents to keep up with the main character(ryu)
sagat: Sagat's eyepatch came from a attack from ibuki's father(forgot name) and his eye was badly damaged. sagat later killed ibuki's father. he certainly doesn't look ANYTHING like a muay thai fighter(but his pupil, adon sure looks like one). if you just met him, you would never be able to tell he's a muay thai fighter if someone hadn't told you.
charlie: he does not look like a military personnel, he looks like a nerd with a pretty face. his looks doesn't say anything about his personality or his past.
chun li: her personality is really confusing. she's like half tomboy, half girlish. her moves aren't anything like chinese martial arts. just a chinese tomboy, i can find them everywhere at my school.
cody: sure he has a history, but does his looks tell you anything about it? his moves certainly makes him look like a criminal. picking up rocks throwing them at ppl, taking knives off the ground and doing cheap shots. capcom did not do a good job of showing his true personality.
Rose: mysterious women, well isn't that just original. so original that we don't even know her true personality.
Cammy: okay, i was gonna say something about her, but i guess i forgot to write it down. anyways, she is pretty original, but nothing more than a female version of guile. now, why would Bison's love be some chick in a military uniform? that is certainly BORING!
vega: a pretty face psycho path, well, that's original, i'll tell you that. the guy sucks as a fighter. he has to use claws to defeat his opponents and he can't fight good in a large area (he utilises the roof and walls very well).
guy: his looks doesn't say anything about how he is a ninja. his moves doesn't either. nothing about him reveals anything about his roots.
akuma: he's fairly cool,so not much to say.
dhalsim: this guy does not look like an indian guy. he looks like some cannible freak out of the amazon rainforest. the guy is bald(very unusual for indians) and he wears face paint(another indication that he's one of those south american indian type ppl). and he also wears that necklace of skulls on his neck(yoga is peaceful, wat are the skulls suppose to mean?). basically, that guy does not look human.
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 08:21 PM
back to the subject... it depends... if you're talking SNK fighting vs series capcom characters... SNK is no match.
how would they not be a match?
princevegetam
10-03-2002, 08:47 PM
oh yeah, and btw ppl, i'm also talking about who would win if they were in a fight, personality has different opinions to it. still, SNK characters can kick capcom's ass anyday.
fear tetsuo
10-03-2002, 09:09 PM
I dont like it just like all street fighter games. It is just to slow for me. I need a fast paced game like marvel vs capcom 2, slow games bore me. I dont mind playing 3rd strike for fun though.
Tantum
10-03-2002, 09:46 PM
because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...
Tantum
10-03-2002, 09:51 PM
also, why is akuma cool? because YOU LIKE HIM?? you know what, your "facts" are based on your personal opinions, and nothing else... you keep saying, "oh this person is REAL original (sarcastically) but, you don't back it up at all, without anything that is opinion based. and anyone can say the same sh!t about SNK characters.
DX Zero
10-03-2002, 10:59 PM
figure 1.0 :biggrin:
ken - short fireball
ryu - large fireball
dan - small fireball
akuma - regular fireball
iori - long fireball
terry - long fireball
rock - long fireball
geese - long fireball
kyo - long fireball
Tantum
10-04-2002, 02:08 AM
lol... exactly my point... the longer SF progresses, the more the "clones" become complete opposites, unlike with KoF, where they stay the same, and Garou had better graphics, and smoothness by far. and why does everyone say that dan is a clone? because he has an uppercut? 80% of SNK characters have dragon punches, or did at one time.
Garou, and Samurai Showdown is where it's at for SNK, dump the KoF, it's getting old... because when they get new chars, no one cares... ( no pun intended, lol ) but in SF, everyone welcomes new chars with glee... because more than likely, it's not just another lame a$$ clone like in KoF.
and, are you gonna see more people at the KoF2002 box, or the MvsC3 box?
how bout the KoF2002 box, or the Garou 2 box? Garou.... why? it's a better quality game... just like... Showdown 2 was tons better than Showdown 3, why? SNK gets too far ahead of themselves, TAKE YOUR TIME... they don't need a new KOF every damn year!! make one GOOD one every two-three years.
princevegetam
10-04-2002, 04:00 AM
because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...
and who said SNK characters couldn't do that? they do that in capcom vs snk
princevegetam
10-04-2002, 04:05 AM
also, why is akuma cool? because YOU LIKE HIM?? you know what, your "facts" are based on your personal opinions, and nothing else... you keep saying, "oh this person is REAL original (sarcastically) but, you don't back it up at all, without anything that is opinion based. and anyone can say the same sh!t about SNK characters.
:hmmm: akuma is cool cause he is powerful and evil. originality is based on things you don't see everyday.
princevegetam
10-04-2002, 04:10 AM
lol... exactly my point... the longer SF progresses, the more the "clones" become complete opposites, unlike with KoF, where they stay the same, and Garou had better graphics, and smoothness by far. and why does everyone say that dan is a clone? because he has an uppercut? 80% of SNK characters have dragon punches, or did at one time.
Garou, and Samurai Showdown is where it's at for SNK, dump the KoF, it's getting old... because when they get new chars, no one cares... ( no pun intended, lol ) but in SF, everyone welcomes new chars with glee... because more than likely, it's not just another lame a$$ clone like in KoF.
and, are you gonna see more people at the KoF2002 box, or the MvsC3 box?
how bout the KoF2002 box, or the Garou 2 box? Garou.... why? it's a better quality game... just like... Showdown 2 was tons better than Showdown 3, why? SNK gets too far ahead of themselves, TAKE YOUR TIME... they don't need a new KOF every damn year!! make one GOOD one every two-three years.
what lameass clone? 95% of all KOF characters are unique. and the all new KOF 2002 characters are original. the only SNK characters that have dragon punch is ones that has ryo's style of fighting. the only reason SS2 was better than SS3 is cause there were less characters. that was all. the fans wanted to see more like in SS2.
Ludacris
10-04-2002, 05:29 AM
I have to go with both cause both companies did great jobs.........I mean forst let's look at capcom........they got great characters........well xcept for some games like Star Gladiator(I'm not sure if they did t but the characters really sucks) they got differents type of fighters sure there's lots of clones(ken,dan hibiki,sean,akuma.....)but they all have differents attitudes when U fight with them.........SNK........I love those guys because of Samurai Showdown.........I mean look at all the fighters.........they all have clothes and attacks, none of them are really clones........I mean,Genjuro,Earthquake,cham-cham,haohmaru,Zankuro.....now none of those characters look the same.........and there is other games.........I mean look at Rock Howard,Geese Howard,Terry Bogart,........they are all original.........so I have to go with SNK because they have more original characters and I have to go with Capcom cuz they have unusual fighters too........look at Roll, Megaman,sakura,(they came up with the first school girl fighter)......so both are good and when they united for Capcom Vs SNK, it was even Better!!!!!!!!!! :biggrin:
Haven't you, Vegetam, noticed that the SNK characters are somewhat related to Capcom characters? Doesn't THAT explain enough already? Also, Akuma isn't the only one who is powerful and evil. Look at M. Bison, Dark Sakura, Evil Ryu, Vega, Balrog, and all the other people in Shadowloo.
Nice explanation, Ludacris.
SSJKarma
10-04-2002, 08:53 AM
brininging things back to the topic please !
you said CAPCOM VS SNK not all the other fighting games !
i will have to go with capcom !
in the VS series except for akuma who is a complete rip off of ken and ryu... they all have their fighting style !
Ken = not a clone anymore, has his moves are based off hand-to-hand combat
Ryu = not a clone has his moves are based on long range combat
Akuma = i agree, a rip off of both ken and akuma with evil intension... come on CAPCOM you can do better than that
Dan = perhaps he learn the same style but he used it in style too !
Chunli = the stori is good and her background too. she is using a kung fu style not seen in any other chars in any other vs game !
Zangief = bear wrestler, see that style in any other vs game ?
guile = pretty cool as a chars !
charlie = normal he has the same moves, who in the army doesn't get the same training ? and i think he has the style to do the moves too as they are different in some ways !
rose = very unique
bison = very unique
cody = i love the FINAL FIGHT game and now in a fighting game... man so unique
guy = again very unique
cammy = very unique (they say she has the same style as bison, but i don't see any resemblance)
balrog = at least we got a boxer !
vega = very unique
anyway, i won't go for all chars in CAPCOM vs SNK, as i don't know much about the game itself. i never really loved SNK KOF games as they have only one story and that's the stupidiest ever ! how much time has the FIGHTINJG GAMES being a story of a TOURNAMENT i think its dumb to make a KOF94,95,96,97,98,99,2k,2k1,2k2 with the same story over and over again !
has for CAPCOM, they sussesfully make a good story in their fighting games. and i love a good story. i don't mean to say SNK didn't make any good game, as i love the samurai showdown 1 & 2. but if you make me choose, i love capcom better.
simple question:
if CAPCOM is so dull, why isn't it them who are out ?
SNK is dead man !
princevegetam
10-04-2002, 12:36 PM
roll: SNK characters are a LOT more different than capcom characters (except for a few retards like ryo). name one character from capcom that resembles any character from Last Blade or SS. SNK characters are unique. Their personalities show through their moves and clothing.
SSJKarma: the KOF series don't have the same storyline. they all have to do with the KOF tournament, but the storyline is very different in each one. some are continuations of the previous tournaments and some are just new stories.
anyways, ppl, what i really meant was who would win if characters from these two companies fought against each other. my pick: still SNK
[quote:post_uid4="princevegetam"]name one character from capcom that resembles any character from Last Blade or SS.[/quote:post_uid4]
Vega- He uses claws like that short green guy.
There. I named one for SS. Happy?
Jhteck29
10-04-2002, 05:58 PM
holy crap, i was wondering how there were so many replies. Vegetam and others: stop re-posting!! holy crap you're supposed to use the "edit" button, remember. so, stop spamming. Anyway, stop focusing on clones of the two companies. Think of the originality each has. Honestly, i just like capcom better because there's more than just people with differnet fighting styles, there's people with weird abilities (and im not talking fireballs). It's like, id rather use wrestling moves and electric shocks, and claws and a pimp with a hairdo than just karate fighters. True SNK has some of these, but i dont think as many.
P.S. - Roll, thank you for remembering my dedication to Zangief, so here's the short personality description she was leaving to me: He's a russian politician who practices wrestling bears in the woods and has cool scars all over him from those bears. Original enough? He is strong, yet not extremely slow, and has a powerful super. (Plus, it feels so great beating guile with him in SF2 when Zangief was the biggest joke character alive)
DX Zero
10-04-2002, 06:26 PM
because, vs game chars are totally overpowered, they are supposed to be super heroes... they fly, shoot gigantic beams, etc...
and who said SNK characters couldn't do that? they do that in capcom vs snk
key word: capcom
.. i'll admit snk USED to be better than capcom in the 1990s but not anymore ...
but anyway capcom would win :D
princevegetam
10-04-2002, 06:51 PM
roll: no their weapons are a little similar but totally different. gen-an's claws are attached to his fingers like extra long nails. this means his claws are more mobile and have a greater range of motion than vega's claws which are like wolverines, just 4 blades coming out of your knucles.
jaims: SNK has WAY more of those characters than capcom, to show their uniqueness here are some very original characters:
gaira: a person that fights with giant buddhist beads, how original can you get?
basara: a person who fights with a giant blade thing attached to a chain
kyo: his rushing punch combos are more very unique for a character
whip: the name says it all, a girl who fights with a whip
kim kap hwan: a person who uses tae kwon do
k : a person that fights with the style of violence
athena: utilises kungfu and psychic powers
mai: authority on Shiranui-style Ninjitsu
anyways, that's all i can think of right now, haven't played any games in ages so don't really remember.
Ludacris
10-04-2002, 07:11 PM
roll: no their weapons are a little similar but totally different. gen-an's claws are attached to his fingers like extra long nails. this means his claws are more mobile and have a greater range of motion than vega's claws which are like wolverines, just 4 blades coming out of your knucles.
jaims: SNK has WAY more of those characters than capcom, to show their uniqueness here are some very original characters:
gaira: a person that fights with giant buddhist beads, how original can you get?
basara: a person who fights with a giant blade thing attached to a chain
kyo: his rushing punch combos are more very unique for a character
whip: the name says it all, a girl who fights with a whip
kim kap hwan: a person who uses tae kwon do
k : a person that fights with the style of violence
athena: utilises kungfu and psychic powers
mai: authority on Shiranui-style Ninjitsu
anyways, that's all i can think of right now, haven't played any games in ages so don't really remember.
yeah but Capcom still came up with great unique characters.........some of characters from snk were inspired from capcom.......it's all relative........SNK got great characters and Capcom too......
Geez, vegetam, you're never going to admit that they are even the tiniest bit alike, are you? Well, I'm still sticking with capcom, because they drew their characters a bit nicer than SNK in the game Capcom vs Snk. They made Zangief and Cammy, and a the whole lot of SF people look wierd! But capcom made EVERYONE look great. The capcom characters had a larger fighting combo-ability in there, not to mention that the Capcom groove is easier to use, and easier to understand than the SNK groove.
Ludacris
10-04-2002, 08:24 PM
The capcom characters had a larger fighting combo-ability in there, not to mention that the Capcom groove is easier to use, and easier to understand than the SNK groove.
she got a point there Prince......
DX Zero
10-04-2002, 10:39 PM
prince ur just not getting the point, snk does have original chars, so does capcom..
ex.
strider - ninja with his own video game
megaman - robot with his own video game
captain commando - hero with his own video game
son son - monkey princess with her own video game
hayato - star war like guy with his own video game
felicia - cat ?
morrigan - vampire ?
adon - original character
sakura - student with unique style of the shotos
etc.
its obvious why snk SEEMS more unique
its because A LOT of people play capcom A LOT of times more than snk
and prince why are u comparing vega with wolverine, wolverine wasnt invented by capcom, he was added in a vs game, just like ryo was added in cvssnk ...
gotenks007
10-04-2002, 10:46 PM
DBZ would win this bout...lol...i'm not sure who wood win...unless u added DBZ...DBZ wood crush NEthing...
DX Zero
10-04-2002, 10:51 PM
no, go read the dbz vs sf debate.
SSJKarma
10-04-2002, 10:57 PM
DX: he wasn't talking about wolvie !
he was talking about GEN-AN in Samurai shodown !
Vegetam: YES they do have BOTH clones in there and yes they do have BOTH original characters !
clones: hanzo and (can't remember his name) that other ninja !
they are clone of each other except that one fight with his wolf and the other not ! see, even SNK has clone and believe me, they have lots more than what you say... but yes they also have lots of originals just capcom has lots of clone and lots of originals !
can't compare those together. than here is why i prefer CAPCOM.
- the characters in CAPCOM games are drawed has anime chars. SNK just draw them with way too much details that the characters don't look as anime as they were !
- capcom made lots of fighting style, then SNK started using there kind of engine to make their games !
example: STREET FIGHTER 2 = FATAL FURY
except they changed lots of things to make it their own !
this example was like 10 years ago, and now SNK as made their own engine !
-CAPCOM is still alive and continues to make games. SNK is dead and won't be doing any KOF games !
damn, i'll have to stop there as i never really played KOF games !
let's say that YES SNK has done great games... namely Samurai Shodown. but capcom made LOTS of GREAT games ! and they will always be best in their fighting games !
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 07:23 AM
roll: capcom's groove is easier to use and easier to understand cause you play more capcom games than SNK. you're more used to capcom's groove and you're not as experienced using SNK's groove. and what are you talking about!? just cause SNK artists have a different style of art, doesn't mean it's weird. everyone is just more used to capcom artist's style of art. cause i thought capcom artists made SNK characters look weird.
SSJKarma: yes, SNK also has clones and Capcom also has some original characters, but SNK has more original characters than Capcom. SNK's characters are also more powerful than Capcom's characters. and SNK is only dead, cause Capcom started this whole fighting game genre! they're the ones who created the first fighting game and ppl are more used to their games
dxzero: i wasn't comparing wolvie with vega. i was merely using him as an example to show the similiarities between their claws.
why SNK is a lot better than capcom:
-the character's looks reflects a lot about their personality, life and style of fighting
-SNK games are WAY more difficult(very good AI) to beat than Capcom games(i can kick cyber-akuma's ass easily, but i can't even touch Igniz from KOF2001).
-SNK games are although MOSTly slow paced, they require more thinking and strategy to fight
-SNK has characters that utilise a GREATER VARIETY of different kinds of fighting techniques
SSJKarma
10-05-2002, 08:55 AM
Vegetam: more characters in SNK games ?
capcom = about 50+ characters just in SF games !
how many charaters do have SNK ?
the characters in SNK games aren't even looking good !
they don't like anime they are too realistic and have too much details in them to be any good. example: ryu in capcom game is ANIME style (original) but in CvsSNK he simply resemble a normal guy in white outfit he entirely lost his ANIME touch !
SF has his own ANIME and what is SNK got ?
anyway, i think that even if we proove you black on white that SNK is nothing compared to capcom, you'll simply continu to tell SNK is better ! just look at your POLL and you already got your answer... SNK is nothing compared to CAPCOM !
i finish this debate cause i doubt you will ever change mind and i don't really know KOF games to continue argue ! as i have only the old Fatal fury serie to argu with !
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 09:27 AM
man, don't you even consider some factors in this poll? i'd say it's likely that 90% of all ppl in this forum are either fans of marvel or SF. so of course they're gonna vote for the one they know about. i bet 80% of the ppl in this forum don't even know what SNK is.
i said more ORIGINAL characters than SF. and even still, SNK has more characters than Capcom. in a game like kof2001 there is 40 characters. and that's not including many of the characters from other kof games. and that anime+realistic thing is your own opinion(are you talking about the art in the old poopty fatal fury series?)! cause i think SNK characters look WAY better. expecially the characters in last blade, garou and SS. and some of the artwork done on characters are truly amazing (at least better than some of the SF stuff i've seen).
check this out:
http://www.snkneogeo.co.jp/official/kof2000/img/p_kof2000_top.jpg
gotenks007
10-05-2002, 10:31 AM
Capcom has lost its vote from me, just because so many people are going with it. In a situation like this one, I would choose the one that is less popular, but still kicks arse. Therefore, my vote is for SNK. Iori rules!!!
judgemeister5
10-05-2002, 01:10 PM
ok,capcom rules,period. :angryfire:
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 01:22 PM
*cough* #### ism*cough*
QUIET_KILLER
10-05-2002, 02:15 PM
Capcom made better games never played samurai showdown.I am sure its good what the heck kof sounds like something people do when the have a cold :lol: I have played it maybe once.Snk they are trying to hard with there controls man its just not going to work :( Capcom Original minimum amount of clones.SNK cloned most of their Ideas of people from capcom nuff said.You have been given examples by roll and other people ok princevegetam give it a rest plz.Capcom characters have nice plots and stuff and storys.Snk speed is not always every thing.People only love the games speed not the characters good :baaa: and what not.Also how fast they can perform what eva and so forthwith its speed thats what I found bad about that Inc.Also controls for most capcom characters you can manuever easily with asking for your friend to teach you the basics and stuff :biggrin: By the way don't try and revive this topic by this post alone this debate is way over the people have voted view the votes plz they say everything manhttp://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/akuma-fireball-pocket.gif
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 02:22 PM
do not post if you don't know a f ckin thing about SNK, kof stands for King of Fighters.
p.s. quiet_killer can you PLZ!!! use proper grammar and spelling for once! it's really hard to understand your posts! plz! man
Gotenks13
10-05-2002, 02:27 PM
it sure fricking is.
QUIET_KILLER
10-05-2002, 02:35 PM
Gee capcom is winning and I knew I had played kof once had forgot the name stop cussing you illiterate unkind Multispammish person.I am so happy that I voted for capom HmMm..Well at least the good stuff is winning Nuff said :biggrin: Also yea that maybe true you made the debate how many times do you have to try and prove your point across if this is so try the edit button.Ahem now have a nice day you flamehead cool off man ??? If I had known you were this nice in the forums I would have made it my Job too kill you the last time I saw you Princevegetam.Regardless that was not anice thing to say you can't beat me so I am going to say sorry.Plz just stop the flamming though.[img:post_uid14]http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/akuma-fireball-pocket.gif[/img:post_uid14]
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 02:42 PM
WHAT FLAMMING!!? are you saying that asking you to spell properly and use proper grammar is flamming? i don't think that's too much to ask.
Gotenks13
10-05-2002, 02:53 PM
it really truly isnt...btw, fricking is not a cuss werd...
Capcom may be winning, but SNK will have its day of glory...muahahahahaha!!!
[quote:post_uid6="princevegetam"][/quote:post_uid6]
snk snk snk snk snk snk rocksssss
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 05:45 PM
i'm so glade you agree.... :)
mastaq
10-05-2002, 05:47 PM
Screw SNK and Capcom... Marvel OWNZ them both.. :laugh:
princevegetam
10-05-2002, 05:49 PM
:hmmm: don't go off topic
QUIET_KILLER
10-05-2002, 08:04 PM
Screw SNK and Capcom... Marvel OWNZ them both.. :laugh:
:lol: :withstupid: which by the way is for princevegetam.Lets stay on topic.I am for capcom marvel and snk.They all rock I am done posting in this topic.Was that proper enough grammar for you.Mr teacher I mean princevegetam :biggrin:http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/akuma-fireball-pocket.gif
Vegetam, leave him alone. He has a small ego. Now, moving back...
Did I say I wasn't used to it? No. I am, actually. And I even asked my friends to try out both (and they are the VERY girlish types... meaning: Video games=immature) And they found Capcom easier. Why? I asked them, and they say because they can attack and it'll rise. Plus, they can perform Lvl 3 supers without being in a dangerous level, and the Snk groove needed to be in the danger level in order for them to do a lvl three super. They didn't like SNK that much, because it only enabled them to do lvl 1 supers when they would want to use lvl 2/3 supers, there was no lvl 2 super, and lvl 3 supers could only be used before being ko'd. They thought of it being a desperation attempt, also, when I pointed out they could continuously use supers over and over when near KO. They thought SNK was both cheap, and stupid. They thought capcom was more fair on both sides. But then, afterwards, they blew me off for the mall, and I stayed home to record the results. Unfortunately, SNK lost that one badly, and they didn't like the characters for SNK either... I can tell you that much.... (I'm still trying to clean up the mess they made when they saw Irochi Iori...) But enough said. Let's let you retort with something now. And, please, don't say anything about my friends, or I shall be forced to hurt your ego...
hadoken king
10-05-2002, 08:42 PM
Capcom..
Which company is still in business capcom.
Which company has the most games capcom,
Capcom owns SNK
Capcom put SNK out of commission! (by putting them out of a job!)
So now Snk developers want to work for capcom now.....
Capcom is better than SNK bottom line...
Tantum
10-05-2002, 08:49 PM
Conclusion of this topic - Princevegetam needs to grow up, and not base his life on LAME SNK characters storylines... and anyone who is that blind to see the truth because of their own STUPID opinions, is just an ignorant twat not worth wasting time on. PERIOD.
I like both SNK, and Capcom, but Princevegeta's posts are entirely rediculous.
now let's end this topic peacefully.
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 07:09 AM
tantum: :hmmm: no one's opinion is stupid. i do not base my life on lame snk characters. do not assume things until you are fully aware of the situation.
roll: lol, that's an interesting story. but which groove are you talking about? cause SNK has many grooves.
hadoken king: capcom started the whole fighting game genre with their first street fighter game. then came SNK. by then, ppl were more familiarized to Capcom's games. it's just like microsoft. microsoft word isn't the best word processor right now, but it sells big cause ppl are more familiar with the product. so basically, capcom had an advantage over SNK from the beginning. besides, SNK isn't totally dead yet, the rights to its games have been acquired by playmore and various other companies.
and PPL! i've been saying this in the past posts. you totally misunderstood the real meaning of this topic, i was trying to debate on who would win if SNK characters FOUGHT capcom characters. personality and stuff was only a characteristic.
Dan Hibiki
10-06-2002, 08:02 AM
:hmmm: akuma is cool cause he is powerful and evil. originality is based on things you don't see everyday.
I realize I'm getting into this a little late, but I gotta tell ya that Akuma is not evil. He has his own mentality on fighting (screw those who get in the way of my training), but he even saved a little kid who wandered into his SFA3 cave when he wasn't training.
I vote for Sammy (an interesting loophole). Sammy is making KOF Ex Neo Blood for the GBA, which means that I can vote for them, aiming my vote moreso to Guilty Gear X. If you want terrific and pretty original character design, look at GGX characters like Sol, Anji, Jam, Millia, Chipp, Johnny, and May, as well as the other characters to a lesser extent (Ky looks like Kyosuke to me for some reason).
Now, on the point for KOF Ex Neo Blood and Guilty Gear X characters winning in a fight against Capcom...
Iori beats Ken.
Kyo beats Ryu.
Jam beats Chunli.
I could go on and on, but for every character type that Capcom has, KOF Ex Neo Blood or Guilty Gear X has a better one.
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 08:18 AM
:hmmm: um... kof was still created by SNK, originaly tho. and yeah, i'll have to admit that ggx is good. but not "quite" good as SNK, mainly cause they don't have as many characters as SNK. but if there were same number of characters, i would pick ggx over SNK.
Well, if we are to compare their fighting abilities, then let's look at the games in which they are BOTH in, since they are available, CvS and CvS2. Judging by how Capcom vs. SNK was created and attributed, I think the game had (For each side) about 4 people each for lvl 1, Capcom had 7 and SNK had 8 for people that have a level of 2, 4 people for capcom and 3 people for SNK had a level of 3, and 2CAP+1SNK people have a level of 4. Judging by how the scales went in that game, the game went pretty much even with strengths. So it's a bit hard to compare. I guess I could try making the computer play against itself to see... if that's possible...
Oh and, I'm talking about the groove in CvS. You know, the one that disables lvl 2 supers, and when you charge up for it, you get a horrible beat down if you don't stop fast enough. And if you're in danger of losing, you can continuously use supers as a desperation attempt, and when it is at MAX people can only use the max level at near-ko. That SNK groove. I haven't seen any others, and I dun have any other SNK related games, so..
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 08:28 AM
i pick SNK cause well.. the boss is Ultimate Rugal
Is that even a reason? If it is, then I pick Capcom because the boss isn't always the same person for each player, making it infinitely better.
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 08:37 AM
okay.... Ultimate Rugal is the most powerful character in there. cause i read it on this Prima's Official game guide thing.
Why don't you actually fight him to find out? For all you know, they could be the most horrible players in the world. It's just like when this review put that the only way to beat Akuma mode in SFA2 Gold was to play a Shin Akuma and enable super mode in the options screen. I beat Akuma mode with Sakura, without any cheap power ups.
Dan Hibiki
10-06-2002, 08:52 AM
Have YOU ever fought Ultimate Rugal from the KOF series? He makes Shin Akuma look like a wimp. I cried and cried while trying to beat him.
Well, EXCUSE me! I only just told him to TRY fighting him instead of trusting some person who wrote something down. For all I know, Vegetam could probably beat Ultimate Rugal easily. You don't have to blow up on me saying that I should play against him, when I never said the guy was easy.
Dan Hibiki
10-06-2002, 09:12 AM
I seriously didn't blow up. I start cussing like crazy when I get angry (people will tell you that).
Sorry, I'm a bit touchy lately. A certain few pm's got sent to me by a certain person *coughbunmicough* and they just get me so angry, I just...just....UGH! I gotta go fight something...
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 09:16 AM
um.. thanks for the compliment but, it's not likely roll. okay, here is the story with Ultimate Rugal (real name is: God Rugal) okay, basically, there are two MAIN bosses in CvS2. ShinAkuma and UltimateRugal, if you really fought both of them you can tell that ShinAkuma(the cpu keeps on doing hadokens) is nothing compared to UltimateRugal. in the shinakuma time line, akuma kills rugal with the raging demon and rulga in a last attempt thrusts his hand into akuma turning him into Shin Akuma with orochi blood(akuma goes crazy). in the ultimate rugal timeline, rugal easily defeats akuma and sucks the dark hado power out of akuma. then tosses akuma away. so ultimate rugal has the power of orochi and dark hado in him(this time line is often considered more official, because Ultimate rugal is supposedly the final last boss of CvS2, since it is harder to get to him).
anyways, these guys are nothing compared to Igniz from Kof 2001(in my opinion of course). i swear, that igniz guy is invincible. even if he only has 1/4 of his life, i still can't beat the damn cheapass.
SSJKarma
10-06-2002, 06:25 PM
man, don't you even consider some factors in this poll? i'd say it's likely that 90% of all ppl in this forum are either fans of marvel or SF. so of course they're gonna vote for the one they know about. i bet 80% of the ppl in this forum don't even know what SNK is.
you said it yourself VEGETAM ! :D
the only reason why SNK isn't known much is because it sucks and people loves REAL fighting games !
anyway, back to the ORIGINAL topic you created...
a debate cannot be on in this kind of case, why ? because if the game wasn't balanced and EVEN the game wouldn't last too long in the arcade and would get trown in the toilet as fast as it was created !
you say capcom games suck more than SNK ! FINE your opinion, but telling that SNK chars would beat Capcoms char is purely your Opinion and you can't really debate on opinions !
let me just finish this with the simpliest question...
if SNK can beat Capcoms, why are there people beating out the game without cheats, with SF characters ?
i think that explain why this debate should be lock cause there is no point arguing on OPINIONS simply because opinions aren't even base on REAL things !
i love capcoms games better because its the way it is and that's final... here is the only answer you'll ever get in this kind of debate ! so sorry if this hurt your feeling and i hope you won't FLAME me with "YOU DON'T KNOW SNK, THAT IS WHY YOU SAY SO" because from the start it's the only thing i heard from your mouth !
princevegetam
10-06-2002, 06:40 PM
okay.... *rolls eyes* i have no idea where that sudden outburst of hostility came from. but i didn't say that SNK isn't known much because it sucks. i bet if this debate was in a forum about a SNK game, then the tides would turn. and part of your argument is true, yeah, when i say i like SNK better than Capcom, that's my opinion. but debating on which companies' characters would win in a fight is a different matter. the thing is, SNK characters HAVE beaten the best of Capcom. rugal, tossed Akuma around like a rag doll and sucked away the guy's dark hado energy to make himself into Ultimate Rugal. besides, if you've ever played boss characters from either capcom or SNK. SNK bosses are always more hard to beat than capcom(this isn't an opinion, cause the difference in fighting power is just too much to be considered an opinion). and the only reason i said "YOU DON'T KNOW SNK, THAT IS WHY YOU SAY SO" for only ONCE, is cause, well think about it. how could you debate on something if you havent established a position on the matter after hearing arguements from both sides?
SSJKarma
10-06-2002, 08:28 PM
i know i don't know those GAMES like my pocket but it doesn't mean i can't say anything about em !
and you still not answered my question !
if SNK is that STRONG over CAPCOM why is there people beating the crap out of the final boss in CvsSNK games, with SF chars ?
answer:
because the damn game is BALANCED and thoo you love SNK better, it is a game and everyone has their advantage over the others ! so there is no winners in strenght just better players !
The AI cannot be involved in this as the AI is made for you to have nightmare about a char you can't beat ! lets say that even DAN HIBIKI could destroy you in an instant if it were for his AI made for it !
the fact is, there is no STRONGER chars in all fighting games as they have their advantage over all the other chars and that include all the so called JOKE CHARS !
example:
servbot: doesn't hit hard but sure can be hard to hit !
DAN HIBIKI: the only char that can combo ALL his supers and so is the only char that boost when he taunt
those are pretty good example...
like i always said...
THERE IS NO BETTER CHARS, BUT THERE ARE BETTER PLAYERS !
DX Zero
10-06-2002, 08:40 PM
agreed
Tantum
10-06-2002, 09:59 PM
Princevegetam, that statement is complete nonsense ("ultimate whoever, is the best character... because he's impossible to beat.") how do you figure? if... a level 1 benjamaru's difficulty got shot up to 50 (normal max = 8) i bet you couldn't kill it with 5 level 4 characters!!!
Gotenks13
10-06-2002, 10:07 PM
put it like this.
if there were a real life tourney with these characters and all of there powers, equal experience and evrything, who do you think would win. Kyo or Ryu? my vote, Kyo. Iori or Ken. Iori wouldnt even have to use Orochi to beat Ken. Rugal or Akuma...not so sure, but Akuma might win that one. Orochi vs. Akuma. Orochi would torch Akuma. M. Bison vs. NEone on KOF. NEone on KOF.
DX Zero
10-06-2002, 10:21 PM
thats not accurate cuz capcom started producing their vs games and didnt make their own game and have their own bosses..
you're comparing the bosses with the main characters, if it was terry, andy, kyo, joe, vs. ryu, ken, akuma, and dan, it would prolly be even..
Gotenks13
10-07-2002, 12:34 AM
well...umm...yeah...it would first be a tourney inside the companies themselves and the best 5 would start a new tourney, sort of like the world martial arts tourney on DB/Z. It would probly go like this:
Ryu Kyo
Ken Iori
Akuma Orochi
Dan K
Guy Terry
something like that, but those arent the match setups.
Liger Zero
10-07-2002, 12:45 AM
I Realy Dont Care What Anyone Says,SNK Is The Best MuHaHaHaHaHaHa.
....Gotenks, you were (keyword: WERE) underestimating the capcom characters. As you said, Iori can use orochi, but that is more of a transformation. Accounting towards the fact that two of the characters you listed in those fights can also transform (Ryu, and Akuma), that would ALSO change the outcome of the matches that would take place for them. Plus, there are the other characters in SF and SNK. Don't forget to add THEM to the mix.
SiLent_BoB
10-07-2002, 11:39 AM
@_@ I can't beleive i read this whole thing.....
lemme clear up some mistakes i read....
prince you are mistaken when you said sagat's eye was injured badly from ibuki's father or whatever..It was DAN's dad who took out his eye.(sagat killed him shortly)
karma: snk does have an anime series and movie.... cough fatal fury2 cough.also in cap vs snk i think they were trying to make the characters look more REALISTIC..and i don't know about you but i personaly think ryu's character is better shown in capvs snk
now onto the games themselves
i will agree that snk(and they invented the 3 char vs 3 char. not capcom) has cool characters and I would rather play with terry bogard than ken.
BUT I also enjoy capcom's vs games ALOT! I mean they are alot of fun,its kinda like fighting games meets party games(4 to 6 characters on each side)
as far as character development snk and capcom are evenly matched.
now when you say snk keeps making too many sequels.. kof 94 to 2001, think a bit to yourself how many sequels were added to street fighter?or more so street fighter 2 (turbo,super turbo,super turbo dash editon, etc)
now onto originality
capcom has made clones(who doesnt) cough shotos cough,but they are a bit different when it comes to personality and moves. but they are the inventors of the guy in a karate suit.plus they are making new characters in almost evrycapvsmarvel game.
now snk doesnt have many clones other than a few chars in sammurai showdown and kof.I beleive however they are better in character animation and art (look at garou great design and character movements)
snk also has the best character originality and design...look at iori you gotta love that crasy pyscho kinda look and hair but he also is a bit of an antihero.
gameplay id say capcom beacause their grooves arent as confusing as snk. but i like snk's desperation moves and powerups to charge your super meter.and i like iori's orochi look.really makes him look alot scarier than shin akuma.
all in all i think snk and capcom are evenly matched when it comes to games,but my personell fav is snk.
well thats about all i have to say...soo umm stay in school and don't do drugs...word to ya mother.
princevegetam
10-07-2002, 12:48 PM
Silent_Bob: yeah, sry, about that, i got confused with whose father scarred Sagat's eye.
and about that unoriginality in Samurai Shodown, there is absolutly NO clones in Samurai Shodown, except for MAYBE (galford/hanzo, nakoruru/her sister that i forgot the name of) but KOF does have lots of clones, since it has 40+ characters.
now for the graphics and animation parts, i'd have to disagree with you bob, cause personally i believe all the SF3 and VS games developed by capcom have better graphix(it's quite obvious actually considering the 3d backgrounds and stuff).
Here is the thing that answers most of your questions about how any body can beat Ultimate Rugal. In the OFFICIAL capcom vs SNK time line, just Rugal, all by himself, took out Shin Akuma. He then sucked out the dark hado energy and became Ultimate Rugal. now you have to ask yourself, in real life, who do you think would win? Shin Akuma(probrably the most powerful character Capcom has) or Ultimate Rugal(a man who has the blood of the orochi AND stolen Dark Hado powers from Shin Akuma)?
and Most of you have only focused on SF and KOF characters. what about dark stalkers? and SS? and Last blade?
and Most of you have only focused on SF and KOF characters. what about dark stalkers? and SS? and Last blade?
Dun forget Cyberbots! :biggrin:
princevegetam
10-07-2002, 02:07 PM
huh? that's the first time i've heard of that game. name some characters from there
SSJKarma
10-07-2002, 04:56 PM
vegetam: where do you think the chars named JIN came from ?
CYBERBOTS : FULL METAL MADNESS
that's the name of the arcade game !
a game where giant WAR robots fight each others. they aren't like gundam or anything, some have wheels some have legs other just float above ground. most of them have arms and a head and when you win the 2 on 3 the other robot explod and the char eject just a bit before his demise ! very cool game ! but so unlike all the other CAPCOM fighting game ever done !
example:
2 attacks button
1 thruster button
1 weapon button
the game feature about 8 chars but you got the choice of about 12 categorized robots.
the game also feature UNIQUE chars and UNIQUE MOVES
it's the real first time i see a game that has no clone in the chars.
but there are in the robots as they are just mix of arms, body, legs or wheels. but they do have their own super move !
yep, you should definetely put Cyberbots in the poll !
as for the CAPCOM vs SNK debate...
i have tryed to tell you that since the start.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THING IN REAL LIFE AS THEY DON'T EXIST
it's like comparing religions !
if you're gonna say things then try and be like silent_bob.
i too think it is evenly matched...
VEGETAM: there are clone in SS.
GALFORD / HANZO
- learn by the same master
- have the same techs
- one has a dog other have not
- one is USA other is JAPAN
seems like another ryu/ken clones for me !
to finish with... if you're gonna go into clones then you should compare techniques too. has in CAPCOM there are LOTS of chars able to SHOOT fireballs. SNK do have lots of his chars able to shoot FIREBALLS. Capcom have lots of DRAGON PUNCH like techs. megaman has one, cyclops has one, ryu/ken/akuma/dan has their own. SNK do has lots of chars who doe's that too.
in the nutshell, ALL and i really say's all chars have the same techs except they are a liltle modified but they still doe's the exact same output !
now, i'm gonna get flame for this and the forst person to say so will be *drumroll* vegetam as he don't like CAPCOM !
princevegetam
10-07-2002, 05:09 PM
um... since when did i flame anyone except ppl who make senseless posts. if you are talking about arguing against you, then of course! this is a debate what do you expect?
and YES i said that all SS characters were unique with the EXCEPTION of hanzo/galford and nakoruru/her sister. and besides, galford and hanzo didn't learn from the same master. even though they're so similar and stuff. the moves are pretty varied. galford uses element of lightning while hanzo uses fire. most of galford's moves involve his dog so that's something VERY much different from hanzo. hanzo meanwhile, throws shurikens and does throws on his opponnent.
and what does religion have to do with this topic? it CAN be compared in real life! how do you think ppl in the sf vs dbz topic debated? based on real life of course! and i never mentioned anything on real life up to this point! i just said that the official timeline of what happened in Capcom vs. Snk was that rugal beat Shin akuma
To answer your question, the characters from cyberbots are Jin Saotome, Mary Mayabi, Santana, Gawaine Murdock, Bao and Mao, Arieta, Devilot, Shade, G.O.D, and "Zero" Gouki. I have more Capcom games, if you care to ask for more...
SSJKarma
10-07-2002, 10:13 PM
vegetam: even in the DBZ vs SF thread no one ever compared them in REAL life ! why because THEY AREN'T REAL !
they based the chars on what they saw in the anime or in the manga... i don't remember seeing goku or any other chars in any GAMES fighting in real life ! tell me at what event in the world did you saw them real with real hair, with real skin, with real powers ? go ahead and tell me !
the religions thing was a comparision nothing more than that !
YOU CAN'T COMPARE GAMES with real life... as they aren't on the same basis ! we obey at PHYSIQUES in this world (REAL WORLD) but those games chars aren't obeying at anything !
Example:
WE can't fly, but DBZ chars can !
WE aren't able to throw fireballs, but SF chars can !
those are reason enough not tell you can't compare cause our physiques aren't the same and we can't base our FACTS on that because it will make nonsense !
that is what i meant !
you wanna compare , compare GAMES that have both in !
in this case. only CvsSNK 1 & 2 ! as they are the only games that had both chars in it ! but again, i will always say it... in games there is no better chars, just better players !
pip99
10-08-2002, 02:29 PM
capcom every time ken, ryu, ex2 alhpa 2 ,,omg..snk..hmmm.no...its good but just doesnt cut the chees
princevegetam
10-08-2002, 02:40 PM
:hmmm:
SSJKarma: um... you think those simple attacks in dbz can't be performed in real life? you think ryu's hadoken can't be possible? no as most ppl think, what i'm about to say isn't delusional or too much obsession. ki(chi) is very real. it is used in many of the top martial arts of the world. and in almost every martial art's history there have been tales of doing the impossible(converting your ki into energy). it is real, ppl have done it before. and it's not impossible. anyways, but that's a whole different arguement so i'm not going go off topic.
and as i've stated before, i didn't start this "real life" talk. all i'm pointing out is the official timeline of what happened in CvS2. yes, player skill matters a lot, but a character's priority(tarkan x's terms) also matters. for example, the best wolvie player in xmvssf may not defeat the best ryu player the reason is: priority.
Ludacris
10-14-2002, 06:27 AM
well Capcom has the most votes......I guess people like Capcom funny characters......yeah that's another thing about SNK......well I'm not sure but SNK doesn't have like silly, funny characters or "cute characters".......I mean look at Capcom......they got megaman, roll, sakura, servbot, dan hibiki.......and lotsa of people like that more then just serious characters.........
princevegetam
10-14-2002, 06:55 AM
go look up kazuya, kensou, kim dong hwan, shingo, hokutamaru, etc from SNK
SNK owns Capcom in this category.
Ludacris
10-14-2002, 07:00 AM
go look up kazuya, kensou, kim dong hwan, shingo, hokutamaru, etc from SNK
SNK owns Capcom in this category.
hey I said I wasn't sure :biggrin:
SSJKarma
10-14-2002, 09:06 AM
VEGETAM: yes the body of someone is producing energy ! but i really doubt someone would really be able to channel that much to throw a fireball with it !
second:
SNK doesn't OWN capcom as you say !
i really wasn't with what tarkanX said about priority !
he was sure as hell that no one could beat the best players who had more priorities ! i always say that the player is ALL what is needed in a fighting game ! sure the priorities are there but no they don't make you win.
BEST PLAYER vs BEST PLAYER = LOSER is the one who will make the less mistakes !
i really don't think there are thiers like TarkanX said !
don't start to talk like him cause i won't start that debate about PRIORITIES again !
princevegetam
10-19-2002, 02:03 PM
look, if the best Wolvie player in xmvssf faces the best Ryu player in xmvssf. and if both of them don't make any mistakes in the battle. who would win? it would obviously be the one who has the best character. yes, all characters have weakness and strengths so you can't really say one is better than the other, but the one with the most strengths and least weaknesses is obviously going to be the superior one.
Halos
10-22-2002, 04:46 PM
I like Capcom since they had a marvel title but since capcom didn't make spidey and SNK made the coolest charactar next to spidey, Rock Howard, i'll have to go with snk
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