Which is stronger? - Shinku hadouken or kamahameha

[DarkstriderX]

well which is stronger?? :buttrock:

[da_realX]

shinku haddouken

[azn_boi35]

Kamehameha :buttrock:

[Diamondzero]

Definitely Goku's Kameha

[Ludacris]

hum..........don't create a topic in the gewneral section if it has nuthin to do with the game.........post that in the random insanity or general section

[pip99]

yeah,,but shinku hadoken :D

[MIG]

hum..........don't create a topic in the gewneral section if it has nuthin to do with the game.........post that in the random insanity or general section
no he can post it here since this is in the NON-XvsSF Related section...and anyway probably the shinku-hadoken

[Tidus2K2]

Depends on the time your talking about. Because some of goku's kamehameha's were pretty weak. So your gonna have to be more specific. Just don't let tark see this or he'll give you a 1 page post on why shinku-hadouken is stronger.

[Gokan]

......................................... Shinkuu...... no kamehameha....... or maybe shinkuu hadoken.....
???



Talk later :D

[DarkstriderX]

Dont hate ludacris

just let it be dude

[hadoken king]

you all know flipen kamahamaha is the strongest! :angry:

[Karnage]

"Goku's Kamehameha. What, are you ppl mad? Even Tarkan X admitted so. Goku's Kamehameha while he was fighting Vegeta on earth (Saiya-jin saga) was capable of blowing up the earth. By the end of DBZ, a standard energy dan could do that. Tarkan said that Ryu's strongest Shinkuu might blow up...

...a house. MAYBE an office building. If you wanna compare SF to DBZ, go to the SFvsDBZ topic. But Ryu? I doubt Ryu could even defeat Piccolo, EVEN IF he gave into Dark Hadou."

Now for my OWN two cents...

Kamehameha...for obvious reasons.

[AXE]

Kamehameha.

[MasterX05]

Well in the streetfighter Alpha movie dark ryu luanched a hadoken that destroy half the bulding he hit. And when he even was normal ryu and did his Shinkuu Hadoken he destoryed or put a big hole in the enemy. Most of the time Goku didn't put a hole in his unless he really meant it like with cell. But goku does his kamehameha so dam slow. I mean if he did that on ryu by the time he get's to hame Ryu would all ready start his Shinkuu hadoken, in gokus face. But if it was normal ryu against normal goku, u really dont know. if Evil Ryu against ssjgoku. Now that will be something to see. So I cant really say which is stronger they are just both so good. :biggrin:

[Tidus2K2]

Overall counting all facts about both sf and the db series. DB will absoloutely slaughter Sf. And if you've seen db as long as I have you'd know that Goku is capable of punching a whole through an opponents stomach. Just like he did it to piccolo In Db. Overall goku's kamehameha is stronger.

[asshole]

Well, this is judging from BOTH at their maximum ever..

Even thou I don't wanna say this, but Kamehameha is stronger, because if you think about it, the TurtleWave can destroy a Planet, but The Shinkuu can only destroy a person!

[Ludacris]

hum..........don't create a topic in the gewneral section if it has nuthin to do with the game.........post that in the random insanity or general section
no he can post it here since this is in the NON-XvsSF Related section...and anyway probably the shinku-hadoken
nah cuz before it was in the general comment I made a mistake back there......anyway........I don't hate U it,s just that next time post those kind of topics in the non related part of the forum so that they don't have to move the topics all the time....... ;)

[ApOcAlYp$e]

"kamahameha"

[XCloudX]

kamahameha

[SBYRD5]

If Ryu and Ken Masters sync in fighting styles,and Ryu becomes Evil Ryu.Also if Ryu where to become part machine like Akuma did in the game "Marvel Super Heros vs Street Fighters".

THEN and ONLY THEN do I think Ryu's beam could compare to goku's.

Also what time period is this.

Goku as a kid...Ryu is stronger.(Dragonball time period)

When goku returned to earth after being killed by Piccolo he learned "King Kai Fist" he was stronger than Ryu then and so on....(DragonballZ time period)

[Nas]

kamehameha

[Gotenks13]

It depends on the minimum amount of energy or ki usable with each attack, not the user. What if Goku were to use a Shinkuu Hadouken? We have no idea how much damage it would do. It could destroy an ant, or an entire solor system. And Ryu with the Kamehameha. The same goes for him. Well, maybe not. We know the Goku, any other "Z" fighter fo rthat matter(trust me, Chaozu is stronger than Ryu, even if he's the weakest member of the team, or maybe Yajirobe is instead...nevermind) is stronger than Ryu, so they have much more potential using an SF attack than the SFer themselves be cause of their level of strength. Or maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't always count on the user.

[DarkOmega]

its got to be the kamahameha cuse goku can blow up worlds :buttrock: and ryus small laser can only hurt ppl :alien:

[BitXero]

Kamehameha all the way.

[Karnage]

If Ryu and Ken Masters sync in fighting styles,and Ryu becomes Evil Ryu.Also if Ryu where to become part machine like Akuma did in the game "Marvel Super Heros vs Street Fighters".

THEN and ONLY THEN do I think Ryu's beam could compare to goku's.

Also what time period is this.

Goku as a kid...Ryu is stronger.(Dragonball time period)

When goku returned to earth after being killed by Piccolo he learned "King Kai Fist" he was stronger than Ryu then and so on....(DragonballZ time period)
"TarkanX himself said that Ryu wouldn't even be able to take out Piccolo.

And Goku's Kamehameha has the ability to destroy earth after he completes training with Kaiousamma. When he's fighting Vegeta, Vegeta's Gyarikku-Ho had the ability to destroy earth, and Goku countered it with a Kaiouken x4 Kamehameha. Upon arriving on Namek, he could prolly destroy earth with a regular Kamehameha. At the end of DBZ, even a normal energy dan could do the job. Ryu's Shinkuu MIGHT compare to the Kamehameha that Goku used against Raditzu, but no higher than that."

[Nantuko Joe]

And rightfully so :D

Karnage, now that I'm back, ya don't have to post for me anymore

[SBYRD5]

If Ryu and Ken Masters sync in fighting styles,and Ryu becomes Evil Ryu.Also if Ryu where to become part machine like Akuma did in the game "Marvel Super Heros vs Street Fighters".

THEN and ONLY THEN do I think Ryu's beam could compare to goku's.

Also what time period is this.

Goku as a kid...Ryu is stronger.(Dragonball time period)

When goku returned to earth after being killed by Piccolo he learned "King Kai Fist" he was stronger than Ryu then and so on....(DragonballZ time period)

.ahem* welcome back Joe.
and Karnage you didn't fully read read and understand my post.

I stated Ryu could defeat Goku's blast before the training with King Kia.

[Unknown666]

Well in the streetfighter Alpha movie dark ryu luanched a hadoken that destroy half the bulding he hit. And when he even was normal ryu and did his Shinkuu Hadoken he destoryed or put a big hole in the enemy. Most of the time Goku didn't put a hole in his unless he really meant it like with cell. But goku does his kamehameha so dam slow. I mean if he did that on ryu by the time he get's to hame Ryu would all ready start his Shinkuu hadoken, in gokus face. But if it was normal ryu against normal goku, u really dont know. if Evil Ryu against ssjgoku. Now that will be something to see. So I cant really say which is stronger they are just both so good. :biggrin:
eeeeeeee! wrong. Kamehame is da best. The Kameheme doesn't have to be that long, man. Kamehame can be done fast too, but it won't be that powerful. heheh... I don't really know how big Ryu's fireball can go, but I haven't seen him do it that big as DBZ's in their episode. hehehe... :laughlong:

[Nantuko Joe]

Now that I've done a bit of research, I've discovered a few things not commonly known about the Kamehameha: the fact that there are eleven variations of it:

Kamehameha-normal blast
Chaou Kamehameha-uses a lot of energy, takes longer to charge, and inflicts damage on the user's body
Kamehameha Max Power-uses ALL of the user's energy
Hana Gaeshi Kamehameha-using a Kamehameha to block/deflect another energy attack
Ashi Kara Kamehameha-the ability to shoot a Kamehameha from the feet
Magura Kamehameha-firing a Kamehameha that misses the opponent, but is then able to turn around and strike them from behind
"Fatality" Kamehameha-pretty much a Kamehameha Max Power, but uses some of the user's life energy (like Kikoho), and the user passes out afterwards.
Renzoku Kamehameha-The ability to fire more than one Kamehameha blast at the same time, each blast being at full power
Shunkan Kamehameha-The user powers up a Chaou Kamehameha, but uses the Shunkan Idou to teleport directly under or around the opponent
Waiting Kamehameha-The ability to power up a Chaou kamehameha and delay it's firing indefinately
Waza Kamehameha-the most powerful kamehameha, it taps into the user's hidden powers and potential ki to increase its power. Gohan uses this to defeat Super Perfect Cell, and it has enough energy to destroy the North Galaxy

Now, IMO, Goku in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, using the "Fatality" Kamehameha, could probably overpower Ryu's SHinkuu Hadoken. However, Ryu trying to use a Shinkuu Hadouken against a Chaou Kamehameha or the Waza Kamehameha in DBZ would be like Bardock's blast disappearing into Furiza's Death Ball.

[Dan Hibiki]

Dangit, Joe, you have your names all wrong, and a few Kame Hame Ha types that don't even exist as separate types! The "Fatality" version is called the Chou Kame Hame Ha, the Max Power Kame Hame Ha is only used by Jackie Chun to destroy the moon, Hana Gaeshi Kame Hame Ha is just a use of the Kame Hame Ha and not a separate type, Renzoku Kame Hame Ha is used while Goku is training in the Gravity room on his way to Namek (he fires it, and while it is being fired he moves his arms and changes its path to try to meet up with another fireball spinning about), the full name of the next one is Shunkan Idou Kame Hame Ha, and the Waza Kame Hame Ha isn't its own type of Kame Hame Ha, either.

<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Dan takes a breather for a moment.</span>

The only ones that you really got right were the Waiting Kame Hame Ha and the Ashi Kara Kame Hame Ha, and that is used but once in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. The Magura Kame Hame Ha is actually a variation on the Renzoku Kame Hame Ha.

Now then... the answer is simple. Shinkuu Hadouken, in the story, is a single fireball. A brief burst of energy. Kame Hame Ha is a beam of continuous energy. The Kame Hame Ha could overtake any single fireball like the Shinkuu Hadouken.

[akuma_forever]

it is the kamehameha sadly....

[Nantuko Joe]

Dangit, Joe, you have your names all wrong, and a few Kame Hame Ha types that don't even exist as separate types! The "Fatality" version is called the Chou Kame Hame Ha, the Max Power Kame Hame Ha is only used by Jackie Chun to destroy the moon, Hana Gaeshi Kame Hame Ha is just a use of the Kame Hame Ha and not a separate type, Renzoku Kame Hame Ha is used while Goku is training in the Gravity room on his way to Namek (he fires it, and while it is being fired he moves his arms and changes its path to try to meet up with another fireball spinning about), the full name of the next one is Shunkan Idou Kame Hame Ha, and the Waza Kame Hame Ha isn't its own type of Kame Hame Ha, either.

<span style='font-size:7pt;line-height:100%'>Dan takes a breather for a moment.</span>

The only ones that you really got right were the Waiting Kame Hame Ha and the Ashi Kara Kame Hame Ha, and that is used but once in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. The Magura Kame Hame Ha is actually a variation on the Renzoku Kame Hame Ha.

Now then... the answer is simple. Shinkuu Hadouken, in the story, is a single fireball. A brief burst of energy. Kame Hame Ha is a beam of continuous energy. The Kame Hame Ha could overtake any single fireball like the Shinkuu Hadouken.
Actually, Hibiki, they're all stated names. They've also got their own differences and unique characteristics. For example:

The Waza Kamehameha could only be used by pre-Saikyo no Senshi Gohan, because one of the characteristics of Waza Kamehameha is that it taps into your unused potential ki.

Hana Gaeshi kamehameha is a stated kamehameha type, as is the "fatality" kamehameha and the max power and the Chaou. All eleven of them are STATED Kamehameha types, so they can't be disputed. Each of them has their own unique characteristics. This is accepted by gurus such as myself, TarkanX, Juuhachigou, Enhanced Frieza, Winduril, and Tenshinhan, as well as stated by Akira Toriyama himself.

So nyah!

[Yasback]

:buttrock:

[Dan Hibiki]

Tell me what manga volumes those are in, and I will see for myself. You must've read a bad translation or something.

[Nantuko Joe]

Tell me what manga volumes those are in, and I will see for myself. You must've read a bad translation or something.
For the most part, attack names are not stated in the Manga (with the exception of Kamehameha, Masenko-ha, Makankosappo, Gyarriku-ho, etc). Attacks with odd names (like the kamehameha names, names for Furiza's attacks, and other attacks by the Z fighters) are all listed in the Daizenshuu (the attack list and character list are the only accurate things in there). So go check it out.

[Dan Hibiki]

The Daizenshyu? It has been a few years since I checked... perhaps memory fails me on the extra versions. I need to consult it again, I guess. Is it DBZ Daizenshyu 7?

[Nantuko Joe]

I think so, I'm not sure. If you can't find it, check out www.ultimatedbzinfo.com and click on the "Fist of the Dragon" section, they've got quite an attack list going. They're not quite accurate, and not complete, but the guy, Greg Werner, has been studying DBZ for over five years, and he's completely analyzed and broken down the Daizenshuu information.

[SBYRD5]

Hmm....King Kai Fist X2,X3,X4....etc.

Hmm amazing how Goku stated he might explode from using that power inhancing tech.....but he never did....

[dexterslab69]

kamehameha.......kicks are harder

Well, this is judging from BOTH at their maximum ever..

Even thou I don't wanna say this, but Kamehameha is stronger, because if you think about it, the TurtleWave can destroy a Planet, but The Shinkuu can only destroy a person!
but The Shinkuu can only destroy a person!

not really..only damage like 25% of life

[viper2040]

um, wrestlemania? like in most games, the attacks are toned down to make it fair. Do we all agree that majin buu is stronger than dabura? because, in dbz budoten (snes), dabura and majin buu are evenly matched--it wouldnt be fun if their strengths were accurate.

And Nantuko Joe, and Dan Hibiki? i have a question. (Im only familiar with the anime) why, when majin vegeta attempts to kill majin buu, does he not destroy the planet? He is stronger than imperfect cell was, and yet imperfect cell had the power to blow up the earth with a self destruct. Plus, vegeta's power was boosted by babidi's control. Yet his blast only left a crater which couldnt have been more than 1000 miles across (thats being generous).

Whats the deal?

and could you give a brief summary of power levels in the buu saga? Ive seen SO many different claims...

like, perfect cell= 25,000,000
gohan fighting cell at max=41,000,000....
but what gets me is this: goku's mega spiritbomb=100,000,000
are these numbers accurate?

[Nantuko Joe]

Hmm....King Kai Fist X2,X3,X4....etc.
Hmm amazing how Goku stated he might explode from using that power inhancing tech.....but he never did....

SBYRD5: King Kai Fist? Please, it's the Kaiouken.

and he can't explode from it, that's bs...not even the anime claimed that. The only negative side effect is that the Kaiouken puts an extreme amount of stress on the body, and if he uses too high of a level for too long, it could kill him due to the stress and tiredness.

And Nantuko Joe, and Dan Hibiki? i have a question. (Im only familiar with the anime) why, when majin vegeta attempts to kill majin buu, does he not destroy the planet? He is stronger than imperfect cell was, and yet imperfect cell had the power to blow up the earth with a self destruct. Plus, vegeta's power was boosted by babidi's control. Yet his blast only left a crater which couldnt have been more than 1000 miles across (thats being generous).
Whats the deal?
and could you give a brief summary of power levels in the buu saga? Ive seen SO many different claims...
like, perfect cell= 25,000,000
gohan fighting cell at max=41,000,000....
but what gets me is this: goku's mega spiritbomb=100,000,000
are these numbers accurate?

viper2040: During the Buu Saga, a simple energy dan could destroy the earth. However, Toriyama had to make it more realistic, and therefore almost made the earth invincible (until they used an attack that could destroy it)

And those couple of powerlevels you just listed are 100% pure crap. I'd like for you to tell me which website had listed those powerlevels. Let me clear something up for ya:

Perfect Cell (according to the level you listed): 25 million
Furiza Form 4, 100% (according to mathematical calculations): 21.2 million

I'll add yer AOL sn to my buddy list. If I see you online, I'll IM you my powerlevels (which have been more or less accepted on a bunch of forums by ppl who have ten time more knowledge about DBZ than I). But those levels are crap. Super Perfect Cell's powerlevel is about 14x higher than what you listed him at. SSJ2 Gohan's powerlevel is also about 9x higher than what you listed him at. Goku's Chaou Genki Dama is about 7x higher than what you listed him at.

[Dan Hibiki]

Joe is actually incorrect on the reason for Cell being able to destroy the Earth and Vegeta's Final Skill (English translation) not destroying it. It is range versus intensity. Cell's self-destruct has immense range. Vegeta's suicide had massive intensity for the blast, and limited range to about 1km.

[Nantuko Joe]

Joe is actually incorrect on the reason for Cell being able to destroy the Earth and Vegeta's Final Skill (English translation) not destroying it. It is range versus intensity. Cell's self-destruct has immense range. Vegeta's suicide had massive intensity for the blast, and limited range to about 1km.
Not quite, Hibiki. Vegeta's was more powerful...as in both pure strength of the explosion and the range of the explosion. Technically, even the crater woulda destroyed the earth...just like Gotenks' Gekitotsu Ultra Buu Buu Volleyball attack also should have sent Buu straight through the core of the earth and through the otherside...yet it didnt.

[Dan Hibiki]

I'm getting annoyed at your CONSTANT disagreeing, but that's just me being in a bad mood right now. I'll address your incorrect comment tomorrow.

[Nantuko Joe]

I'm getting annoyed at your CONSTANT disagreeing, but that's just me being in a bad mood right now. I'll address your incorrect comment tomorrow.
Bad mood? Men don't get bad moods...

must be that time of the month... ???

jk, jk, jk, it's a joke, plz dont hurt me... :D

This is a debate. We're SUPPOSED to disagree

[ryu500]

Sinkiu Hakuden

[machine1]

kamehama is stronger

[sledgehammer]

I'd have to say say kamehameha :D

[DA_VIPA]

ryu: Siiinkuuu!!! hadouken!!
*kens jumps in*
ken: Hadoukennnn!!
my fav move in x-men vs sf double sinku :D

[SBYRD5]

Perfect Cell(After self destruct)=300,000,000
Level 2 Gohan=340,000,000

Thats what I think also factor in the fact that SSJ become more powerful after each near death injury.(including Cell)

[Nantuko Joe]

Perfect Cell(After self destruct)=300,000,000
Level 2 Gohan=340,000,000

Thats what I think also factor in the fact that SSJ become more powerful after each near death injury.(including Cell)
Cell was much stronger than that. Go to Mallarky.net Powerlevel List (http://www.mallarky.net/cgi-bin/ikon/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=16;t=3;st=90;&) to check out my powerlevels