The people who protest - Half the world is against this war

[SaddamHussein]

And so is the U.N.

but this isn't about another War thread. Nope.
It's the War Pic Thread!!
yiiiipeeeeee

btw: I had my American monkey type englis fo me :D


http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/bush_is_hitler.jpg

http://firmament.ibt-one.de/rayaan.de/dump/bush03/godblessamerica.jpg

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/bombthepentagon.jpgb30809.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid55/pf772900e28c974dd54622cdd9dadfad2/fc7a8e09.jpg

[bloodpack]

well some of those pics are funny but life isnt...

[marvel911]

:lol: Thats funny stuff.. lol..

[Neo_genic]

Funny but scary, Hitler rules with an Fear and power, how is bush different? ???

Well, lets compare for a moment.

-Hitler gained power politics.
-Bush gained power politics.

-Hitler was "givin" a Chancelorship by someone who thought he'd be weak.
-Bush won the election.

-Hitler was givin the executive power to "deal with communists."
-Bush was givin the executive power to "deal with terrorists."

-Hitler had 20,000 jews, political opponents,and communists murdered on his first day of this new power.
-Bush had a few thousand muslim and suspected terrorists put into prison without proper charages.

-Hitler advocated and preached to people's worst fears and angers. He used this propaganda to turn the already present anger of the German population against Jews, France and the Allies of WWI, and Communism.
-Bush advocated and preached to people's worst fears and angers. He used this propaganda to turn the already present anger of the American population against terrorists and anyone he says are affiliated with them.

-Hilter used a military tactic called Blitzkrieg, a form of "lightning" fast attack that used aerial bombardment, tanks, and vehicles to achieve its swiftness, destroy resistence and cause the enemy to give up hope of fighting.
-Bush is using a military tactic called Shock and Awe, a form of Blitzkrieg rip off that uses a fast attack with aerial bombardment, tanks, and vehicles to achieve its swiftness, destroy resistence and cause the enemy to give up hope of fighting.

However, if you look closely enough at those, there's plenty of differences... namely the fact that Hitler pursued to feed off of people's worst fears for conquest of ALL Europe, and constantly found scapegoats to eradicate (jews/communists).

However, the BIG difference here is while one has to keep the population at close to 50% in agreance with his actions, the other could dominate the population by impossing a military facist dictatorship and just kill off all competitors for the chancelorship/presidency.

SaddamHussein: I made a topic a lot like this a while ago... if you look through the past topics you might find it.

[Neo_genic]

Where the government and rulership differ the men stay the same.

Hitler started on his own and worked up and when he was in power what he said goes. that was his character what made him who he is, bush is the same.

They are alike, yet bush's action are on a smaller scale... For now.

Do you think I don't know that? And what chance do you think Bush would have of actually pulling off a stunt of militarily controlling the nation like that in one so firmly built on democracy as the US?

Sure, his actions (as other presidents actions) could lead the US a WWIII, but even in that event, he won't have absolute power.

Remember your checks and balances? Nobody is checking him in Congress right now because they're all afraid of losing public support... that's exactly why he's getting his way for now. The moment you see Bush trying to pull off his own holocaust, there will be tens of millions if not over a hundred million people who will protest his actions, call for his impeachment, resign their positions in protest, refuse to follow orders in the military, and most certainly contest him with a rival politician.

Germany had 2 reasons it lead to a facist dictator.

1. The Treaty of Versallies left Germany in shambles, the Great Depression didn't do anything to help, and here's you a nice statistic, one American Dollar had a value of 6 million German marks at one time because of the kind of inflation that was caused. People were desperate... if you think that the 10% of Americans out of work during the Great Depression was bad, try looking at how Germany was doing at the same time. It was ENORMOUSLY worse. This is the first reason people started looking for alternatives for answers... someone who would restore the prestige of Germany to its pre-WWI condition.

2. Germany was a newly founded democracy. Hitler, although attaining his power through political means, quickly instated a draft and returned Germany to the military dictatorship many citizens were familiar with and trusted.

Right now, America has been a democracy for over 200 years and has the worlds strongest economy. If Bush were to try to rule the nation with the military, IMMEDIATELY there would be political opponents calling for his impeachment. Clinton nearly got removed from office over adultery, and that would be NOTHING as opposed to attempting to sieze absolute power and destroy the Constitution.

You're getting much too carried away with this war... Iraq is a 5th world nation, not something like France was, which had a military nearly the size of the Germans when it was invaded, and if its government/military had chosen to fight, may have repulsed the German onslaught with a hasty counter-attack.

But please, don't even take my word for it, watch a video clip of one of Hitler's speaches to his Nazi party. I've seen these before, and he accuses Jews, Communists, and the Treaty of Versaillies for Germany's condition. George Bush can't even rival that, and I fail to recall the last time Bush has advocated the extermination of a religious group, opposing politicians, and "weak, inferior" people of the Americas.

When he does make that leap, you can bet your arse he won't be around much longer.

[Neo_genic]

When the government turns on religion (And believe me it will) Then we know things are going wrong.

Oh and by the way you write to much man :laughlong:

Neo_genic: This will be my last post here for tonight as I can see you're not even reading what I'm saying, so do me a divine favor and read this quote and caption carefully.


George Bush can't even rival that, and I fail to recall the last time Bush has advocated the extermination of a religious group, opposing politicians, and "weak, inferior" people of the Americas.

When he does make that leap, you can bet your arse he won't be around much longer.

When the government turns on religion (and believe me it won't) then we know that person/group will not be in power for long.

Oh and by the way you comprehend to little man :biggrin:

[Neo_genic]

Tuche' my friend Tuche'... :)

[Nantuko Joe]

2000, you left out a HUGE diffence.

Hitler murdered 6 million Jews, along with a few million Gypsies, blacks, communists, and homosexuals for NO REASON. He wanted to rule the world, and create an all-arien race. Pretty much, if your skin wasn't white, he was gonna kill you.

Bush is ordering the invasion of Iraq to save a country from someone almost as bad as Hitler.

In other words, Bush is stopping a Hitler. Hrmmm....

[iori]

2000, you left out a HUGE diffence.

Hitler murdered 6 million Jews, along with a few million Gypsies, blacks, communists, and homosexuals for NO REASON. He wanted to rule the world, and create an all-arien race. Pretty much, if your skin wasn't white, he was gonna kill you.

Bush is ordering the invasion of Iraq to save a country from someone almost as bad as Hitler.

In other words, Bush is stopping a Hitler. Hrmmm....
i was reading this thing that said Hitler was homosexual.......

[Scarlet~Rose]

I was watching a documentary the other day about the road to war on Iraq, and it told about George Bush, Sr. and his associates. Do any of you know that after the Gulf War was over the Americans stood by and watched as Saddam had his people murdered and the Americans did absolutely NOTHING to help them, and this was after the Americans encouraged the Iraqi people to uprise against Saddam Hussein and his regime. The only help they gave the Iraqi people was when the Kurds were running and hiding in the mountains to escape and had nowhere else to go, they finally found they had some morals and gave the Kurds help by dropping food aid to them - that's it, no other help. Now, you may be right about Saddam being like Hitler, but what do any of you have to say about this? Will George Bush, Jr and his associates be any different than his father, or will they do the same thing all over again? If you were the Iraqi people would you trust the Americans? Only time will tell I suppose. PEACE.

[nosoul4evr]

Thank you 2000warrior.

Ya pretty much covered it all.
Unfortunately..most people wont read the entire thing..or even comprehend it...they will undoubtly "miss" or "overlook" or "forget" or "not listen to truth" for all the key points that you have made in that post...

Kinda like talking to a brick wall.. ???

Oh yeah and Nantuko Joe is absolutely right about Hitler too....
And THAT one key point about how Hitler ruled is the big difference between G.W. Bush and Hitler

These FALSE accusations of Bush being like Hitler are absolutely absurd...Soo...since we can have a war on "terrorist"...can we have a war on "ignorance"?...cause i'd love to sign up for that war.

Bush is not trying to kill off the Muslim faith..or any religon for that matter...and saying he's like Hitler pisses me off so much, that i'd like to start some blood shed over it. :angry:

NoSoul: *walks up to anti-war protestor*
Protestor: "Bush is Hitler!"
NoSoul: *Drops a live grenade in protestors pants. Smiles and waves good-bye to the ignorant mofo. Then run and ducks for cover*
Protestor: *BaBOOM!*

BTW: Hussein...why dont ya get the hell outa Iraq...and turn on a Television...you'll find that 48 nations now support this war against Saddam Hussein and his regime.

So in the immortalized coin phrase of Stone Cold Steve Austin..."Why dont you shut the hell up?"



Edited By nosoul4evr on Mar. 27 2003 at 06:06

Nantuko Joe: Actually, what you said is somewhat flawed. Hitler slaughtered handicaped people and Russian POW's as well. But I was talking about who he preached about killing before it happened... But if you think 6 million Jews, handicaps, communists, political opponents, POWs, blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, and everyone else who didn't follow his strait anglo-saxon line, then have a look at this. 22 million Ruassians were killed in WWII. That's more then how many people died in all of WWI alone... Almost 100% due to Hitler's invasion of Russia.

And one more thing there, Hitler had no ambition of ruling the world. He believed in spheres of influence. He believed it was the German people's destiny to rule all of Europe and push the Russians out past the Ural mountains and have quite and extensive colonial empire through North Africa. That is the extent of what he wanted. This is the exact reason he allied himself with Japan, thinking he'd leave the oriental regions to the Japanese empire and its sphere of influence.

nosoul4evr: You must realize almost all of those 48 nations don't really support the war, but are just buckling under US pressure. If they had really supported the war, they would have jumped into the coalition before Bush's ultimatum.

I believe a lot of the anti-war sentiment that was seen pre-war, and even now has to do with European self assertion.. but that's a different matter entirely.

[nosoul4evr]

Although I am in NO position to speak for any nation.
I beleive these 48 countries that have recently "suppored" the war.....just wanted to wait and see if the British/American coalition could actualy do it alone and "pave the way" for such campaign's. Now these recent supporters want their fingers in the pie because they are seeing that the coalition is correct in it's accusations of Saddam Hussein.

Plus Bush is just handing out the US dollar to surrounding Iraqi nations...being a little cheap in my opinion but it's a good gesture and buy's followers...flaunt the dollar and the pound...win the war.

After all is said and done...Britain and the USA should make sure they "give" 100% in aid..."WE" must pour our life and souls into restoring,repairing and make ammends for the destruction we have made.

admittedly...money does not replace any innocent civilian life that is lost...only time can do that...but the money will help create a better life style for all Iraqi people.

but im sure some Iraqi people will see our invasion of "help" as an invasion to occupy their country.

And you can almost bet on the fact that the coalition will set up perminent military installations in Iraq.
They have already begun setting up air strips for our forces.
Im sure that is just the first toddler steps.
With perminet forces in Iraq...that does fall under "occupation"...dunno how the coalition will deal with that one once the public start questioning it.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Mar. 27 2003 at 06:34

[asshole]

Although I am in NO position to speak for any nation.
I beleive these 48 countries that have recently "suppored" the war.....just wanted to wait and see if the British/American coalition could actualy do it alone and "pave the way" for such campaign's. Now these recent supporters want their fingers in the pie because they are seeing that the coalition is correct in it's accusations of Saddam Hussein.
NoSoul, is that the reason why George Bush has been going to different countries and making Agreements?

Recently he was in India making Agreements, and this is all AFTER the War had begun.. What do you think he's doing? Trying to change the exPenses of SPICE FOODS? I think not man, even a dumbass can guess that he's going that for to ask the country to suPPort us now... and good wil haPPen!

I mean even I can't say that what I said is right, but isn't it kinda funny how he's been having these "talks" with Countries and all the sudden they are now suPPorting the War?




And Joe, what you said about Hitler is True and somewhat not true... He never really wanted to take over the World, just wanted him to Rule EuroPe, instead of some dumbass king or whatnot, his Plans were later changed because of all the countries (such as US) got Involved..
And what 2000 said is True, if THIS TIME, RIGHT NOW was the same as the Past, what makes you think that Bush wouldn't do the same OR more?
US is even taking over countries right NOW, wellif this was the Past, he'd be all around the World!




Oh and NoSoul, I'm Anti the War, would you like to droP a Grenade in MY Pants?

[nosoul4evr]

Are you to state that all Hitler wanted, was to rule Europe? What foolishness....You are saying it would have been fine to let our allies in Europe be destroyed by a man with "emporer " dreams? If Hitler had been allowed to butcher all the people of Europe so that he could be sole "emporer" of it, do you believe he really would have stopped there?
Hitler was a murderer of innocent people. plain and simple. whatever his or anyone elses logic, it cannot justify that millions of innocent people died. I hope that you or I never have to face death in a brutal military conquest like this.

America is free, and we are blessed with the right of free speech. You are priveledged with the ability to post your thoughts here and other places. When your thoughts corrupt rational and moral correctness, then they become offensive to others. Read carefully the History books on the Holocaust so that you may understand what the innocents have suffered before you justify Hitlers conquests. When you have learned more, I do not believe that you, as an inttelligent person, could ever justify what Hitlers did.

[princevegetam]

where was the US during the iran/iraq war?

[SaddamHussein]

Oh yeah and Nantuko Joe is absolutely right about Hitler too....
And THAT one key point about how Hitler ruled is the big difference between G.W. Bush and Hitler

These FALSE accusations of Bush being like Hitler are absolutely absurd...Soo...since we can have a war on "terrorist"...can we have a war on "ignorance"?...cause i'd love to sign up for that war.

Bush is not trying to kill off the Muslim faith..or any religon for that matter...and saying he's like Hitler pisses me off so much, that i'd like to start some blood shed over it. :angry:



BTW: Hussein...why dont ya get the hell outa Iraq...and turn on a Television...you'll find that 48 nations now support this war against Saddam Hussein and his regime.

So in the immortalized coin phrase of Stone Cold Steve Austin..."Why dont you shut the hell up?"
Yes I agree Hitler being far from Bush.
These pics were meant as a joke, don't take them seriously.

George W. Bush is leader of the freest country in the world. Hitler was an evil mad man....

But you have to take into account that 3rd world countries are not very well educated.Especially when the Tv stations show the slanted "truth" take Al-Jazerra(sp?) People have NO CLUE that the U.S troops are progressing, instead they are led to believe that Iraqi Troops are doing good.
Some of you people take things too seriously.

In the Muslim World, muslims do honestly believe that the U.S is trying to kill thier culture and religion, that is part of the reason for such turmoils.

If the 48 Nations had supported this was Against Saddam Hussein, then they would have EASILY have gotten U.N approval. I think n0t!!!! Now that they see the U.S and Great Britian have paved the way, they have joined ???

[mastaq]

Why don't you guys go read Hitler's auto-biography, "Mein Kampf". :laughlong:

[nosoul4evr]

Oh and NoSoul, I'm Anti the War, would you like to droP a Grenade in MY Pants?
:D LoL
Well that depends..
If you honestly believe and think Bush's actions are that of, or equal to Hitlers....

Lets just say you'd better start practicing Warmors technique of running around with no cloths on. :laughlong:

I have no problems with folks protesting war.
I do have a problem of people making mis-interpretations, and false accusations though.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Mar. 28 2003 at 19:25

[Nantuko Joe]

Nosoul, took the words right outta my mouth.

Objecting to the war, i have no problem w/ppl doing. We have freedom of speech and that's fine.

I DO have a problem with people protesting the war because of FALSE REASONS as to why the protestors THINK that we're in there (oil, distraction from US problems, etc).

I DO have a problem with people protesting the war because of PLAIN IGNORANCE (like the guy on MTV who said that Saddam can be forced exile/stopped if we went back to using inspections. Inspections didn't work the past 12 years, so why would they work now?)

I DO have a problem with people comparing Bush to Hitler, and saying we just want to take over other countries.

I DO have a problem with people saying we shouldn't go to war because we'll cause civilian casualties, when they conveniently forget the fact that Saddam hides his military installations and chemical plants under schools and hospitals and such, and has killed more of his own people than we have, and he supports terrorist groups that attack not US military, but US civilians (Read: Al Qaeda and 9/11)

I DO have a problem with people going out to protest, and become involved with riots, and do stupid things like chain themselves across a street (using real chains, mind you) and refuse to move until Bush calls the war off (as if he's gonna call off the war becuase 15 ppl refuse to move out of a street, when the cops can just move them).

That's what I have a problem with. Hippie peaceniks that do stupid ######## like the stuff I just listed above. Being anti-war is fine. Being anti-war and anti-government for stupid/false reasons/assumptions is not.

[MIG]

dude your saying you dont like ppl who protest against war due to civillian casulties!!!! ffs the whole point in this damn war is to liberate iraq to stop saddam killing any more ppl but there are much better was to stop him than with a war...the fact is that at the start of this war the majority of british people didn't want to go to war since only an idiot goes to war...it may solve the problem but the ammount of people who are killed during them just isn't worth it.