Global warming, ice age - The growing threat...

[SolidSnake76]

i bet few oflipnew about this, the global warming threat could result in another ice age. i though i open this up into a small discussion.

first, we all know about the global warming thing. CFC's discharged into the atmoshpere and depleting the O3 content that makes up the ozone layer. not only that but there is a rising build up of greenhouse gases, mainly carbon dioxide(co2) and methane from the melting arctic. now with all this ice melting, it wont just raise the sea level but that will cause ocean waters that was once salty, to turn fresh. droughts will occur in downstream nations and will trigger water wars. take a good look at sudan and egypt for an example. flooding will include swallowing loiusiana, the florida pan-handle, many islands in the south pacific and the west african coast, which will sub-merge parts of largos in nigeria. and then theres the crop failure in mid-west america, brazil, parts of africa(which will generate numerous refugees) and southern aisa. and with the warm air rising, areas that were once too cold for mosqutios will breed them. the thing is, thats not the scary part about all this.

remember what i said about the sea water becoming fresh. the great conveyor belt, also known as the gulf stream, takes warm water currents up and beyond the N60 degree mark to spread it along the british isles and all across the norwegian sea. due to global warming, what if the gulf stream stopped?

well, heres the answer:

if the Great Conveyor Belt, which includes the Gulf Stream, were to stop flowing today, the result would be sudden and dramatic. Winter would set in for the eastern half of North America and all of Europe and Siberia, and never go away. Within three years, those regions would become uninhabitable and nearly two billion humans would starve, freeze to death, or have to relocate. Civilization as we know it probably couldn't withstand the impact of such a crushing blow.

the Great Conveyor Belt is only thing between comfortable summers and a permanent ice age for Europe and the eastern coast of North America. Much of this science was unknown as recently as twenty years ago. Then an international group of scientists went to Greenland and used newly developed drilling and sensing equipment..Their instruments were so sensitive that when they analyzed the ice core samples they brought up, they were able to look at individual years of snow. The results were shocking.

Prior to the last decades, it was thought that..the transition time from icy to warm was gradual, lasting dozens to hundreds of years..Looking at the ice cores, however, scientists were shocked to discover that the transitions from ice age-like weather to contemporary-type weather usually took only two or three years. Something was flipping the weather of the planet back and forth with a rapidity that was startling.

Most scientists involved in research on this topic agree that the culprit is global warming, melting the icebergs on Greenland and the Arctic icepack and thus flushing cold, fresh water down into the Greenland Sea from the north.

think about this for a quick sec pple. the stream has already hesitated a few times. global warming is gonna lead to another ice age in years from now. if we dont reduce the effect of global warming or just sit around and do nothing, this world is gonna go into an icy hell sooner than we could possibly think.

[SBYRD5]

It would take a revoluntionary man....to change...or stir the views of everyone snake..

Like the majority they consider these problems that of the next generation.

According to the bible the world is suppose to not flood again....but it would seem the bible...i..no...whoever wrote the bible wasn't fully sober...when taking in the lord's word...=/


And ICE AGE....an INferno...as long as I can smoke another J.....aslong as my sister is fine....nothing matters to me...


oh yeah the health and safety of a few users here as well..


The world is going to hell snake...it's a jusitification...


Humanity is the distruction of the planet....how can we save mother nature when we are it's death bringier :sneaky2:

[sf6689]

It would take a revoluntionary man....to change...or stir the views of everyone snake..

Like the majority they consider these problems that of the next generation.

According to the bible the world is suppose to not flood again....but it would seem the bible...i..no...whoever wrote the bible wasn't fully sober...when taking in the lord's word...=/


And ICE AGE....an INferno...as long as I can smoke another J.....aslong as my sister is fine....nothing matters to me...


oh yeah the health and safety of a few users here as well..


The world is going to hell snake...it's a jusitification...


Humanity is the distruction of the planet....how can we save mother nature when we are it's death bringier :sneaky2:
What u both said is very ture, most ppl now think that this will not happen for a while which then means that it is the next generations that will deal with the problem.

There are ways to decrease all the pollution and everything and if youlook in some books and some sites u will see that they are trying there hardest to make the earth healthier.

but like always there are always people too stubborn and dont think anything of it, and these are the people who end up destroying and wasting stuff.

Last, there is almost no way to stop it, it will happen sooner or later even if the earth is healthy. So even if we lower everything ( CO2 and methane ) there will still be the hole in the ozone layer that will keep melting ice slowly, and will eventually end up flooding islands all over

[alamgir]

Yeah, I think it is inevitable. Its not a question of if its a question of when. Anyway who knows, technology has been making big advances, there might be something that can save humanity.

[ssj9vegeto0]

i live in the eastern part of north america :D alll the way to the border line ;) well almost.



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[Zpower]

We all gotta die someday... rest in peace AMIGOs.. Smoke me a big fat one make a toast to my friends and call it a life. BRING ON THE ICE AGE I dont give a poop I hate living on this planet anyways LETS ALL GO TO MARS anythings better than Earth. I'll bring the drugs, video-games, chics and beer.. you guys get everything eles..



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[SolidSnake76]

i know a theory that can save us all.

[Nantuko Joe]

[color=#000000][color=green]The problem with people today is that they're too ignorant to focus on problems that they don't think will affect them in their own lifetime.

Let's take a look at the second planet from our Sun, Venus. Venus has no water on the planet whatsoever, and is completely covered by thick clouds. These clouds are so thick that we can't even see the surface: we've had to map the surface of the planet by using radio waves.

but these clouds aren't made up of the same stuff our own clouds are made up of, these clouds are made up of the same sort of crap that lingers over LA every day: CFCs, sulfur dioxide, and other poisonous chemicals. When it rains on Venus, it doesn't rain water: it rains sulfuric acid. And these toxic clouds generate an ENORMOUS amount of pressure. Assuming you were able to survive the descent through the high-pressure atmosphere and the sulfuric rainstorms, you would land on a parched, scorched volcanic landscape with an atmospheric pressure of 90 bars.....that's 90 times Earth's gravity, with an average temperature of about 900

[PENZEL]

yup,..by the time this happens we will be chillin on heaven or hell...choice is ur tho where u wanna be when u die.. :blues:

[blanka09]

Before I post anyffin, I'd like to enlighten ye all that CFCs, the Ozone layer AND Global warming are different... but I'll explain the phenomenum of acid rain before I go on.

Now acid rain occurs when the rain from the atmosphere (H<span style='font-size:7.4pt;line-height:100%'>2</span>O from the surface of the earth that has evaporated over a period of time) falls through the clouds that contain a high conc of Sulphur... formed by burning coals and other oils. This mutated rain falls on the ground as what we call "acid rain" which is very dangerous... as it can pollute lakes and kill our plants.

Now to Global warming and the Ozone layer... well, I don't want to start repeating what Solidsnake76 has said... but just to add a bit.

Imagine 2 jars filled with water. Place them out in the sun. One opened and the other one closed. After a period of time, the one that was closed would become hot and steamy while the opened one would pretty much be the same ("culled from Jok R. Church). Now what happens here is that the heat from the sun had no where to escape.

The same thing goes with the Carbon that is being released into the atmosphere. It somewhat inhibits the "bad energy" emmited from the sun. The reason I call this "bad energy" is because we get a lot of energy from the sun that's good... and we as humans put into good use. but this bad energy commonly known as Ultra violet radiation. So with all the Carbon running around from the stratosphere, to the atmosphere... you can simply look at it from the point of the earth being placed in a tremendous jar... and the heat from the sun not having any chance to escape. The earth not being able to cool of... so to speak. Hence your case of global warming.

As for the Ozone layer, which is another different case entirely, this is like a special type of Oxygen. O<span style='font-size:7.4pt;line-height:100%'>3</span> to be specific. Now, Oxygen as you'll know is diatomic... but Ozone is triatomic. Unfortunately, this Ozone is not that strong... however, it's the right shape and size to absorb the Ultra violet rays coming from the sun.

Thus you can call the Ozone layer the earth's sun glasses :biggrin:

Anyway, this Ozone layer is being depleted by checmicals known as CFCs (Choloroflorocarbons.. a mixture of Chlorine, Carbon and Flourine) These are the chemicals you'll see in spray cans (in the past anyway) and in refigerators to puffup plastic foam. Spray cans in the USA do not contain CFCs anymore.

So that's just to show you the distinction between those 2 effects. You might say they're both related in a certain way.. but they are both 2 different problems faced by the earth that should be resolved.

You wanna know why your elementary school teacher always told you to plant trees?? :biggrin:

Well, here's the deal. These trees you plant use up Carbon (IV) Oxide (yeah.. I'm British baby :biggrin: ) and they store up the ones that we release from burning wood, oil or other stuff... ala huge chemical industries.

Ceteris Paribus, this Carbon (IV) Oxide can be stored for use by the plants and thus, does not have to place the earth in a huge jar to prevent the escape of the heat from the sun :biggrin:



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[SolidSnake76]

The problem with people today is that they're too ignorant to focus on problems that they don't think will affect them in their own lifetime.
thats very true joe, especially the politicians who dont wanna listen to the docters and scientist.

that was very well put blanka. i have a theory though.

cars are the leading pollutants in the world, especially USA. the gasoline is made up of hydrogencarbons (HC). and when mixed with the air in the combustion chamber, it burns and leaves as CO2. now what if we just used the hydrogen element alone in its liquid form?

i not sure how they obtain hydrogen but i know one method that could work, i called it personally reverse fusion, using H2O. pick up some water (i'd perfer fresh from a river or lake, dont know the effects of salt), and seperate the two molecules (hydrogen and oxygen). i believe its electro dialysis that can do that.

now with a special machine to identify the elements, we shoot the oxygen in the air and hopefully, it will speed up the process of the ozone rebuilding itself, cause i read it could take 50 years or more to do so alone. the hydrogen then can be supercooled to its liquid form, go through some testing, yadi yadi yada, then if its good enough, the new energy source. start with cars and then see what else it can do without being too violent, or else we need to add some nitrogen or some other inert gas with it.

if my plan works, this can be a small step in elliminating fossil fuels. defrostation needs to be stopped too, especially in the amazon, thats where 40% of the air supply comes from. that is unless i can figure out how to convert CO2 into O2 lol.

[Zpower]

Damn yah sure.. but only problem with hydrogen is... UM IT TENDS TO EXPLODE... :suspect:

[SolidSnake76]

i know, but if we mix it with an inert gas....

[sf6689]

Quote from blanka09

"As for the Ozone layer, which is another different case entirely, this is like a special type of Oxygen. O3 to be specific. Now, Oxygen as you'll know is diatomic... but Ozone is triatomic. Unfortunately, this Ozone is not that strong... however, it's the right shape and size to absorb the Ultra violet rays coming from the sun.

Thus you can call the Ozone layer the earth's sun glasses

Anyway, this Ozone layer is being depleted by checmicals known as CFCs (Choloroflorocarbons.. a mixture of Chlorine, Carbon and Flourine) These are the chemicals you'll see in spray cans (in the past anyway) and in refigerators to puffup plastic foam. Spray cans in the USA do not contain CFCs anymore. "



Don't worry ppl, all the pollution over LA and that seems to float away to where ice is ( Antartica ). Trust me I live in NZ now ( use to live in USA ), and the ultraviolet rays make the temp seem so much hotter than it should be. When it is 71.6 F = 22 C, it feels like it is in the 80's or higher.

As what snake said, there are busses now that are using hydrogen power. These were chosen to see the effects ofusing it. Also u couldnt put too much oxygen into the air, because then it would become unbalanced. if youlook at the charts nitrogen is the main ingrediant in our air.



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[Angel-Eyes]

yeah...up here in michigan where we're freezin

some global warming would be nice...

[evilhadoken]

hey kesters back. man i wish it was snowing over here. then i wouldnt have any school. :sneaky2:

[SSJDan]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1016_TVhypercar.html

[alamgir]

When is it gonna snow in England. Anyway some people r just so selfish, they want to save themselves but don't give a damn about anyone in the future.

[SBYRD5]

Where to begin here....*ahem* oh yes.


In regards to Nantuko Joe's post about the greenhouse effect on venus.

I recall thier being a venus eclipse sometime earlier this year I hope you took the time to find out about that seeing how that even happens...every 172 plus years(Not sure).


Yeah, Acid rain...I recall seeing the skys turn golend when ever it was acid rain falling....I suppose that would explain....Venus's golden color...from alot of those key elements...and compunds...and what not...

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Blanka09 interesting...it reminds me of how the water cycle.....is similar to the carbon cycle....


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Solidsnake76 ok....


Your ideal is a good one...

The process of turning seawater into fresh water would be the best approach to your ideal.


This world is made up of a majority of Salt Water........interesting how in the last few centuries...land mass has increased....with the predicted floods....to happen in the generations to come....

Droughts....and yet floods in other land areas....

Makes you ponder on a way to transport water through Atmosphere...some what like a car pole system.....


and make it so that all areas of the world had an even amount of water supplies....not to much..I mean...


Then I guess we're going to talk about rain forest being cut down in south america....

Well let the discussion begin.. ???

[SolidSnake76]

Solidsnake76 ok....


Your ideal is a good one...

The process of turning seawater into fresh water would be the best approach to your ideal.


This world is made up of a majority of Salt Water........interesting how in the last few centuries...land mass has increased....with the predicted floods....to happen in the generations to come....

Droughts....and yet floods in other land areas....

Makes you ponder on a way to transport water through Atmosphere...some what like a car pole system.....


and make it so that all areas of the world had an even amount of water supplies....not to much..I mean...
wouldnt that be a bad thing? we can already obtain it from rivers and lakes, why should we go through more work to obtain fresh water from the oceans?

look, all we gotta do is keep the gulf stream running and the north and south pole frozen and we all be alright.

but i dont know u guys, the temps up in NYC feels warmer than they should being near the end of november. i gotta feeling we're already being affected big time.

[SBYRD5]

North Carolina is a mild climate...even our climate is being effected...

Summers are now that of the tropics almost...


And when I went to NYC damn man...my skin started to pile from the blazing summer...

Here is my view of humanity and any issue effecting the global world.

If we If we The only
protect protect thing that
other the enivernment, matters to
species, it's because humankind
It's we fear is it's own
Because our own Satisfisfaction.
we're extinction.
lonely.


but There's
that's no point
okay in
That's despising
all that our own
matters. behavior.


It's true. Human beings can't love the Earth without loving themselves.Otherwise it would be a contradiction.

Damn...lol when I get high I get very philosophical....you may quote me on that snake...because my words should ring clear to your soul. :sleepy:



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[island_chick]

its just like the time thy said.. world was gonna end in 2000... LMAO soooo many ppl were prepared for it...now tht i think bout it ..its hilarious! Science can be wrong sometimes... u really cant believe anythin til u see it!

[akuma_forever]

As Roll said once before, " The earth was doomed since it's creation."

but that doesn't mean we can't try to slow it down.

[SolidSnake76]

what have u pple done to my scientific topic?

[SBYRD5]

As Roll said once before, " The earth was doomed since it's creation."

but that doesn't mean we can't try to slow it down.
I have always wondered what roll's view on religion were...she has never answered that....hmm..

And i gave my answer snake...it was will thought out...

[azncat]

itll happen sometime. we cant live forever =/... whats the point of living when were gonna dier anyway ???

[American_Badass]

[color=#32CD32:post_uid2]I know wuts u mean azncat......so why dont u set a good example and go kill ya self i gurrantee it will help the sfo community. :unclesam:[/color:post_uid2]

[SBYRD5]

itll happen sometime. we cant live forever =/... whats the point of living when were gonna dier anyway ???
Only to seee our development.To see what we evolve into...that's why we live....to see the climax...to a legacy. ???