View Full Version : Best players of all time - The best
kingofhearts
11-12-2002, 03:27 PM
i dont know if this has been posted before but who do you'll think is the best player of all time
I think either Nferno666, Tarkanx,or Profe$$or.
pip99
11-12-2002, 03:29 PM
LAG decides 70percent..skill 30%
akuma_forever
11-12-2002, 03:48 PM
LAG decides 70percent..skill 30%
more like
lag 90% skill 10% ;)
pip99
11-12-2002, 04:31 PM
.more like
lag 90% skill 10%
finally some1 who understands the game.. there are no best players..
negativity
11-12-2002, 05:13 PM
.more like
lag 90% skill 10%
finally some1 who understands the game.. there are no best players..
therefore i am the best hahahaha :shocked:
QUIET_KILLER
11-12-2002, 05:35 PM
[quote:post_uid4="negativity"][quote:post_uid4="pip99"].[quote:post_uid4]more like
lag 90% skill 10% [/quote:post_uid4]
finally some1 who understands the game.. there are no best players..[/quote:post_uid4]
therefore i am the best hahahaha :shocked:[/quote:post_uid4]
[color=blue:post_uid4]HmMm..... :lol: :biggrin:
The pip99 is correct no perfect player.
Most matches the lag.
Really owns stuff :eek: J?K or am I[/color:post_uid4]
blow me kids...useless topic once again...
Sportschick155
11-12-2002, 07:00 PM
thats not right... ???
VIRUS
11-12-2002, 07:02 PM
blow me kids...useless topic once again...
I usually dont agree with wrestlemania but your absolutely right please stop wasting forum space with topics that can not be rightfully decided.
Oh and by the way pip, akuma, and quiet if you think lag accounts for that much and you seem so disgruntled over it then by all means retire. :buttrock:
Tantum
11-12-2002, 07:09 PM
Useless topic that will be deleted soon, so let me clear this up for you, pip99...
It might be all lag no skill now, but when Myself, Zing, Tark, Cyris, Token, DXZero, Imag, UMJ, and all the other people on my top ten list used to play... it was more skill than lag. The only time lag was a big issue, was on people you ran into with 28.8 modems or worse. a fight with a 56k person was barely laggy, especially compared to now.
That's why whenever someone makes up these topics, I only mention people who were around back in the day, when you could actually see how good someone was.
VIRUS
11-12-2002, 07:31 PM
Useless topic that will be deleted soon, so let me clear this up for you, pip99...
It might be all lag no skill now, but when Myself, Zing, Tark, Cyris, Token, DXZero, Imag, UMJ, and all the other people on my top ten list used to play... it was more skill than lag. The only time lag was a big issue, was on people you ran into with 28.8 modems or worse. a fight with a 56k person was barely laggy, especially compared to now.
That's why whenever someone makes up these topics, I only mention people who were around back in the day, when you could actually see how good someone was.
Hey tantrum I was here back in december dont get me wrong i really like this game and i support it to the fullest....but there was still lag...and if youre talking about when there was only ryu and chun-li to pick well...you can only say that those players were only the best with those characters not THE GAME..in case you havent noticed the game is not finished yet and that is one of the reasons you cannot decide who is the best in the game.
And also back then you guys were a small group of players where were tupac2westsider, CaSe, SSX....the list goes on and on. Just because they happend to join a little after those "greatest" players means that they can never be looked at as one of the greatest???! Pffft plz!
Strider42
11-12-2002, 07:36 PM
Hmm, well im not the best at playing this game. Basically one of the best around here who uses 56k. :D
KidKrazyShit
11-12-2002, 07:51 PM
2000warrior already made this topic
DX Zero
11-12-2002, 08:14 PM
if youre talking about when there was only ryu and chun-li to pick well...
it was ryu and wolverine...
Gotenks13
11-12-2002, 08:44 PM
Tantum is right...sort of. There are a few good players now, like myself. I stopped playing because I got into web languages, and the game often made errors on my computer. I see myself as a pretty decent player when it comes to skill.
Tantum
11-12-2002, 08:46 PM
Virus, I'm talking about Before ToC1, (which was in November) Right before the final match in ToC1 (Me and TarkanX)... a really bad version was released, and it has been super laggy ever since.
P.S. Ask DXZero, He was around during my time, and after, ask him.. who has more skill, Me and TarkanX, or the second generation fighters.
tupac2westsider
11-12-2002, 09:34 PM
Well i have to agree with Virus(when dont i :D )
Just because ur living in the old days dosent mean there arnt better fighters now a days.
If one of the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixed or what ever genaration was back in the day when u usto fight would they be better?
Well we really dont know, so u cant just say that the new genaration just plain sucks.
Thinking about the old days gives u a warm feeling inside that will never be replaced. But those are memorie..............
U cant live off memories u got to live in the future.
Tantum
11-12-2002, 09:38 PM
I didn't say the players now suck, I said that you don't have anything relevant to go on anymore... records don't mean a damn thing when you win based on lag, or just kill #####. So, if you wanna go on skill you can see with your own eyes... Like I do, I only rate players from back when you could tell how good they were.
tupac2westsider
11-12-2002, 09:52 PM
U are right.......
U cant rate todays fighters, because u dont fight no more. But can u really judge them that harshly if u dont play the game no more??
And if u Rate the oldskool fighters how would they stand in todays standerds??
U also cant rate them because u dont know todays fighters so u cant compare them.
Also i can see why TOCs were important in history, but none of the new fighters where even in them so they never had teh chance to prove themselfs.
If a bigger tournament than TOC comes and A person wins that will he become better that the Vets?
I think so (except TarkanX) because what makes a great fighter? i dont know u tell me.
Lordcyris
11-12-2002, 10:53 PM
well lets see i was around when this game only had like 1k players
as for skill i think i was up there
i know how this game runs i know where lag comes from and i also know when players are just bs
and i have to say tantum is right to a point
back then we had some awesome players
and now we got ppl who are on a 28k downloading porn from kazaa while fighting :angryfire:
i have seen some good players lately
they know who they are they play for fun only cuase they know their good and dont have to prove it
Tantum
11-13-2002, 12:03 AM
Tupac, I've also fought alot of the people considered to be "great" by todays standards. I fought them back before the big lag issue, and I can say, most of them aren't even comparable to vets who were respected back in the day. I'd make a list, but that would be rude to the people who I like, that would be on that list.
VIRUS
11-13-2002, 04:54 PM
Ok ok tantum
I dont think you get what were trying to say ..hehehe ok here goes.
We (the ones who joined dec-feb) were not here during those glorious five months (back in the day?! :shocked:) you like to live in so....how could you possibly keep saying that you guys were the best...look im not arguing with you because that's your opinion and thats fine...but it seems rather ignorant that you honestly think that none of us stood a chance to be as good as any of those guys in that particular version.
I fought almost everyone around here since december '01 except profe$$er(dont know why he would'nt play ??? ) and I have been playing since then along with a whole bunch of other names who still play. Bottom line you ready? ...Where are you guys?? Im still quite the competitor despite the numerous diffrent versions...where are you guys???
You want some names:
KKS
fear (has at least played in the last four months)
nferno (until recently he was always playing)
tark
gothicarchangel
ssx
Those are some real "vets" and some who I consider great players not just on their skill but because they still play notice the names of this and all the other threads in the past it's the best players .
Lordcyris put it best though
they play for fun only cuase they know their good and dont have to prove it
Tantum
11-13-2002, 05:15 PM
No, virus... you're not getting my point... I'm saying, that the people back in the day are the ones I rate, because you could get a better grasp of how skillful they were, because there was alot less lag.
I've heard of some next generation players that are rather skillful, You, and Troy88, to name a couple. And I never said, you couldn't hold up in the old days with less lag. But how could someone say that "Troy88 is the best player ever" if you don't have much to go on anymore? Shouldn't you instead rate fighters you KNOW are great?
DX Zero
11-13-2002, 05:53 PM
P.S. Ask DXZero, He was around during my time, and after, ask him.. who has more skill, Me and TarkanX, or the second generation fighters.
the game lacks the need of skillz now..
VIRUS
11-13-2002, 07:23 PM
hey i also wanted to mention Dx on that list he is still playing to
It's all good tantum look i dont wanna argue it will go on forever and hopefully this topic is closed very soon. I see your point but you seemed to have been only active during that certain time period....the game has been up for a while now....alot of you guys havent been active in a looooong time...once again my point being...the name of this topic best players of all time
but anywayz its coo' man im sure they Were great players but I wouldnt know. Since late december '01 the time when i started playing this game some of those names....well...I have yet to see them so how can you expect me to consider them as the greatest ever?
Tantum about the whole lag thing...I have gotten over it because I lag as well :laughlong: EVERYONE LAGS! it's give and take and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it so why keep bringin that up?
Tantum
11-13-2002, 07:36 PM
nah, I'm just saying it's hard to lock down how much skill someone has, when the lag is so much higher. nothing against the players of today, there very well could be a better player out there now... but it's impossible to prove it now. :(
You all know leftyfb doesn't like these sorts of topics... I really don't care.
So it's moved here, in the Non-XvsSF related section (even though it is related).
Something I'd like to point out to everyone, since no one ever mentions it in these debates.
Back in "the day" there were less people. It's obvious just by comparing a screen of the number of people in the game to the number now, or the hits per day, or the number of active members on the forum, or especially the fact that the game is NEVER empty now. I don't think I've seen an empty 1st server chat since... maybe when tag came out.
...And do you notice how what you type gets lagged when you enter a crowded server? ...and why for some people it is less laggy in other servers? It's because there's less people in those servers, so the server doesn't get lagged as badly.
So... since there were less people back before TOC I, there was less lag (and it was NOT the game's versions). The only feature I can imagine that added lag was tag mode... but that only effects tag mode games.
And even at that... it takes a good deal of "skill" to figure out to deal with lag (for those who ARN'T cheap shots that is). Simply attacking the character head on and pulling off combos won't get you very far.
Another thing, remember how I pointed out there were less people pre-TOC I? Did you ever stop to think that could possibly be a reason to why there was such a selective "group" of great players?
viper, tupac2westsider, super_sonic_x, Onslaught, PROfe$$or, Koopsta, fear_tetsuo... etc.
They all had/have the same "great tallent" or "skill" as that Tantum, TarkanX, Token, Zing79, leftyfb... etc.
The game changes... players change... but each "generation" will all have their greats comparable to the others.
Now what I think really distinguishes (at least most vets) is their win/loss record, and even more importantly... their total wins. TarkanX and Nferno666 are untouched in that category, and perhaps will never be surpased. Does it mean that they're that much better then anyone else? Not really... others have achieved their fighting level, but didn't stick around and fight so fanatically.
There's no real way to compare the greats of old and greats of new... so much of the game is changing all the time. Just try to see their common ground, and that they all were "great", not that someone was better then someone else because of their joining date.
Lordcyris
11-16-2002, 08:22 PM
sorry warrior i agreed with u on evryhing but the whole record thing
that rank stuff doesnt mean anything
if iwanted to be #1 on the ranks all i had to do was sit here all day a fight new ppl until i got #1 place
so really the ranks mean nothng more then how much u play
it shows no skill what so ever
thank you
Yeah, well just look @ McBeth's scores.
Over 2000 #### killing wins...
But it's the closest we have at this point... until a highscores "might" be added... one day.
VIRUS
11-16-2002, 08:38 PM
Ive got to admit im always willing to go at it with 2000warrior...but what he says is something i have been waiting for him to say for a while. I agree with everything but like lordcyris I disagree with the win/loss record.
But im very happy to hear that you feel that way warrior. There will always be a special group that will rise to the top that will be comparable to those of the past.
I personally give alot of respect to those "vets" who still play.
mastaq
11-16-2002, 08:40 PM
sorry warrior i agreed with u on evryhing but the whole record thing
that rank stuff doesnt mean anything
if iwanted to be #1 on the ranks all i had to do was sit here all day a fight new ppl until i got #1 place
so really the ranks mean nothng more then how much u play
it shows no skill what so ever
thank you
Well the ranks were used like that since the begining..
Nantuko Joe
11-17-2002, 11:13 AM
Bah...the rank system is nothing more than a high score list. When TMy finally figures out how to release a lag-free version, then there will be no lag, and skill will determine all.
BUt you have to admit, there is more lag now than there ever was. Back in the day, there was less characters, less special features, less helpers and less lag. I'd still have to say the best fighters would have to be Token, TarkanX, Nferno666, dark-link and (*shudders*) Profe$$or.
Pip is correct in saying that lag determines a lot, but not all matches are lag-filled. Lately, I've had a few matches where there was little to no lag at all. In those matches, skill was the determining factor, not lag
i think im one of the best, the one the only sion_thebouncer peace out :buttrock: t*r*u*e*t*h*a*t lol
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