Xmen vs dragonballz - Who will win

[mysticvegetto]

HEY WHO DO YOUTHINKS GONAA WIN

[DX Zero]

ummm i guess dragonballz cuz u shouldve said marvel instead of xmen...

Dragonaballz ofcourse

speed 100%

strength 100%

skills (crazy!!!!!)

[Kolo311]

well,seein that you forgot STREET FIGHTER,i would have to say DBZ...what's with these DBZ vs. match-ups everyone is makin up?

[iori]

[quote:post_uid6="mysticvegetto"][/quote:post_uid6]
DBZ hahahahahaa :angryfire:

[SSJKarma]

probably DBZ but some XMEN would be a pain in the ass to kill !

example:
QUICKSILVER
SCARLET WITCH (yes she is in xmen cause she is the girl of magneto just like quicksilver is his son)
MAGNETO (in the serie he makes a shield who can protect him, it is laser people shoot with their weapon not bullets)
CHARLES XAVIER (with his mind controls he can easily gets em to miss their shot or even kill themself)
BANSHEE (sorry but piccolo would be dead with one scream and the other would have lots of pain)
BISHOP (he can just absorb their blast and shoot them back at them)
PSYLOCKE (like all other PSY person she can just push their blast away)
ALL PSY PERSON (the same reason as the above)

SEE ? i finish this here but yeah, could be a great fight thoo DBZ is still sure to win in a long time battle !

[DARKPICCOLO]

yeah Karma Piccolo would be dead cause of his super sense of hearing :( but Vegeta would kill the rest of those peskey X-MEN ........meanwhile Master Roshi chases after Rouge, Storm, Jubilee, Jean, and Psylocke :lol:

[SSJKarma]

i didn't say they would win !
one minute or another they would be beaten !
by i did said that they would put some fights and can be a pain in the ass to try and kill them !

you vegeta could destroy them all, but do you really know quicksilver ?
his powers is ultra speed ! he can dash at about 100 m/sec !
try and blast him if you can ! :biggrin:

[Gotenks13]

i (meaning Gotenks) can move faster than light so hah!

[(SENT)DARKSIDE]

if it was the x men, me, and the other x villians working together against the cast of dbz my side would win because i Apocalypse will never lose in combat to anyone. :lol: :angryfire:

[Tantum]

DBZ was totally messed up... if you watch the whole series through, like... nappa puts a giant crater in the planet "that was nothing but a pot hole" and vegeta is gonna blow up the earth with his lightning attack. but yet, frieza can barely blow up namek? how bout, look how fast goku was when he faught the ginyu goons... and how fast gohan was when he fought cell, but how slow vegeta is when he fights buu? the show is completely inconsistant.


i go with x-men!!

[Gotenks13]

heres a clue, dont count on the animation.

[(SENT)DARKSIDE]

probably DBZ but some XMEN would be a pain in the ass to kill !

example:
QUICKSILVER
SCARLET WITCH (yes she is in xmen cause she is the girl of magneto just like quicksilver is his son)
MAGNETO (in the serie he makes a shield who can protect him, it is laser people shoot with their weapon not bullets)
CHARLES XAVIER (with his mind controls he can easily gets em to miss their shot or even kill themself)
BANSHEE (sorry but piccolo would be dead with one scream and the other would have lots of pain)
BISHOP (he can just absorb their blast and shoot them back at them)
PSYLOCKE (like all other PSY person she can just push their blast away)
ALL PSY PERSON (the same reason as the above)

SEE ? i finish this here but yeah, could be a great fight thoo DBZ is still sure to win in a long time battle !
hey ssjkarrma i believe you forgot me apocalypse my evil power would cause the people from dragonballz to cower in fear. :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

[mysticvegetto]

DBZ WOULD KICK APOCOLIPSE ASS WUT ABOUT THE DEAD ZONE AND GOKUS SPIRIT BOMB AND GOTENKS GOGHST ATACK OR GOHAN MSYTIC KAMEHAMEHA VEGETA AND THE OTHERS EXCEPT KRILLEN YAMCHA TIEN AND CHOUZUE CULD BLOW UP APOCOLPSE LIKE THERE BLOWING UP A SENTENNAL

[mysticvegetto]

OR VEGETTOS BIG BANG KAMEHAMEHA OR GOGETA OR GOLDEN OZOURU

[princevegetam]

stop your n00bish behaviour NOW!

and now for this arguement, if it's x-men. all the characters discussed must be a member of x-men, therefore, magneto, apocalypse and other characters can't be considered since they're not x-men but are from the x-men show

[QUIET_KILLER]

Cough wasn't there a topic about this already like a 23 page debate.Just asking here is the link (http://nferno666.sytes.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=6;t=782)

[ssj2trunks52]

........DBZ OWNZ ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Liger Zero]

The Only Street Fighter That Might Stand A Chance Is Blanka,Bison And Dhalsim.

Im Not Saying They Will Win But They Might Stand A Chance.

[SiLent_BoB]

you damn kids and your obsession of dbz...hey what if dbz vs cap or dbz fighting games or dbz blow up dolls....

i think the x-men would win because xavier by himself can kill all the dbz characters because of his mind control.
quicksivler would be impossible to hit. wolvie might get killed if they blew his body up , but since his claws and bones are indistructable then he can just stab goku thru the heart.cyclopse could just take his glasses off and let his opict blasts out at full force. magneto's force field will protect him from anything and he could use trunks own sword against him(remember he is the master of magnetism).juggernaut could flatten anyone plus he is praticly unstoppable. bishop can absorb energy and shoot it back at em. nightcrawler can teleport. storm has control over nature. omega red may be a bad guy but he can suck out the life force from anything. ice man could freeze someone who is weak cough all the human z warriors cough. rouge can beat anyone because if you touch her..goodbye. (remeber these are mutant powers they can't be used up like chi)
add in the fact that magneto and xavier could transform into onsloaght. dbz would lose

[princevegetam]

dammit, read what i said before, and then post.

[DX Zero]

the topic starter prolly meant marvel anywayz..

[wilsontieu]

??? This is a hard one, Im not sure who is better... ???

[kingofhearts]

DBZ for sure everyone knows that :D :D

[ss4goku]

dbz would crush x-men because when goku and vegta are super sayin4 they would just blow them up and broly ssj4 would just destory beacause if he tryed to he would blow up the whole galaxy and gotenks would destory them plus vegto,gohan,majin buu,evil buu,super buu,kid buu,goten,andtrunks etc...... :D

[sk8erfox805]

im not sure about this but.. they have their own moves and specials so i think theyr the same

[LiquidSnake78]

Dont know.

DBZ: Have the power and skills. Plus speed

X-Men: Have a hole lot of back up. (Marvel Characters)

So really cant tell who gonna win or not.

[mysticveggeto]

i go with dbz even tho im the topic maker of dz vs marvel

Now where's TarkanX when you need him..? :biggrin:

Well, it looks like any/all mentality would be on the side of X-Men, since they not only would KILL almost all DBZ fighters in an IQ test, but also have MANY psychics on thier side as opposed to maybe a couple Kyes (IF you count them as DBZ fighters).

On the opposite side... I have yet to see someone in X-Men that could even survive 100 times gravity... let alone 400+

On speed... I don't think that's much of a contest (as far as airal battles/normal movement is concerned).

But in sheer number of techniques, there's just no way DBZ could even compare with the type of "methods" X-Men could come up with to beat the Z-fighters. Mind control, teleportation, Shadowcat's ability to walk through.. almost anything, metal claws that can/will hurt the X-Men, Gambit's "charge" ability, shapeshifting, "power draining" (think Rouge)... and I'd better stop there before I get caried away.

But then DBZ characters always have their "trump card" of just blowing the planet they're on.

Considering all the above... it would really be determined by who all's at the battle on BOTH sides. (like does it include villians and other "affiliated" characters and such).

[Roll]

Then again, Warrior, they're surprise "blow up the planet" attack thing wouldn't be wise, because then they'd die as well, so that's pretty much eliminated.

[raidus]

As I said, Gambit alone could destory every DBZ fighter there is, as long as they use raw energy, because he controls ALL raw energy, thats why he has the ability to blow up the universe.

[Gotenks13]

I doubt that any DB character other than Vegeta would destroy the entire planet they are on. Maybe they would self destruct, controling how badly the planet could be damaged, but I'm not so sure that they would go to such drastic measures. The speed of DB characters would surprise any X-Men or Marvel character. They could be in your face about to kill you before you can finish blinking. And as for Rogue, they don't always need to make contact when fighting. A simple Destructo Disk or Masenko could do the job. Mind control shouldn't be much for King Kai to handle himself. I doubt that they would be able to think fast enough to become physically transparent. Thats all I can think of for now.

[SSJKarma]

Gambit can't destroy the whole galaxy as you say it can !
why ? because he DON'T control ALL the RAW ennergy !

he channels it too charge something as big as himself... it exaust him to charge far bigger then himself ! that is why you don't see him doing it ! when did you saw blow up a building with the so called raw energy ?

as for XMen vs DBZ...
like i said...
XAVIER = Mind control and force them to kill themself = DBZ LOSING INSTANTLY
BISHOP = absord there blast whatever power they have and rethrow it at them !
CYCLOPS = can duel and even worst with his mighty optic blast
ROGUE = catch them, absorb, and become there equall
STORM = can you destroy something when the whole planet elements are against you ? :p
JUBILEE = i agree, she is worthless in this fight

those are just example... there are so many telepaths in that comic that DBZ whould just not stand a chance ! anyway, you can't say Kid buu, buu, fat buu would destroy them all as they were never all there. as they are just one and the same !

SSJ4BROLY ?
where did you saw him ?
he has never existed !

[ss4goku]

dbz all the way :D

[Hot_Chick18]

;) dbz ;)

[hottie-girl]

X-Men for me. ;)

[Gotenks13]

Did any of you listen to a thing I said?

[Roll]

JUBILEE = i agree, she is worthless in this fight
Jubilee isn't that worthless. Unlike a lot of characters from X-men, she just has the power to shoot multi-colored bombs that are like fireworks. She can produce enough of them to blind people (and she did too) and can also shoot multiple amounts of her blasts in tens, and sometimes even hundreds at a time, increasing the chances of blinding.

[mysticveggeto]

good anser

[Nantuko Joe]

THis is what I think:

First off, Radius, gambit cannot take out every DBZ character. DBZ characters do not use "raw energy", they use ki (or chi). This is a measure of there spiritual energy as an individual, and is not the same type of energy that they use in X-Men. THe lasers that DBZ characters shoot are merely extensions of their own ki.

Next off, this is pretty much like DBZ vs SF. X-Men characters simply do not have nearly as much power that the DBZ characters do. The only X-Men that would even stand a chance against the SF characters would prolly be Apocalypse, Phoenix, and possibly the Four Horsemen (against the likes of Kuririn and Tenshinhan)

[Nantuko Joe]

dbz would crush x-men because when goku and vegta are super sayin4 they would just blow them up and broly ssj4 would just destory beacause if he tryed to he would blow up the whole galaxy and gotenks would destory them plus vegto,gohan,majin buu,evil buu,super buu,kid buu,goten,andtrunks etc...... :D
You said this in the DBZ vs SF thing too.

BROLLY DOESN'T GO SSJ4!!! WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM?


and I've also heard ppl make references to the Dead Zone, and brolli, and whatever, but that stuff never happened in the manga, and therefore isn't official, and therefore never happened.

and to whoever said Banshee would kill Piccolo and Bishop would kill everyone:

Banshee definately wouldn't KILL Piccolo with the scream, but due to Piccolo's sensitive ears, he'd be severely disabled. However, if he ripped his ears off, he wouldn't even have to try in order to kill Banshee.

And Bishop can indeed absorb energy, but if he absorbed too much, it prolly would be real dangerous. I sincerely doubt that Bishop could absorb a Final Flash attack or a Kamehameha

Roll: DBZ characters blowing up the planet = trump card to make it a draw. All X-Men AND dbz char. would get killed.

Just something they "can" do if they ever get tired of gettin' their ass's kicked.

gotenks: Do you remember that Piccolo destroyed the Moon when he was around power-level 1000-3000 or so.

Now, what's to stop him from destroying a planet when he gets up around 70 MILLION after fusing with Kami?

Vegeta was able to destroy the planet Arlia with his fingers, and was only @ 9,000.

Freiza was able to destroy planets in his untransformed state with a single finger at around power level 500-600.

Now.. considering that, it really depends at what point in DBZ you're talking about. If it's right B4-during the Sayain Saga... then NONE of Earth's Special Forces could even come close to destroying the planet ('cept perhaps Goku using KaiKen x 3).

Anywhere during/after the Android saga, however... many/most of the dbz fighters could destroy a planet about Earth's size.



Edited By 2000warrior on Oct. 12 2002 at 20:29

[Nantuko Joe]

Roll: DBZ characters blowing up the planet = trump card to make it a draw. All X-Men AND dbz char. would get killed.

Just something they "can" do if they ever get tired of gettin' their ass's kicked.

gotenks: Do you remember that Piccolo destroyed the Moon when he was around power-level 1000-3000 or so.

Now, what's to stop him from destroying a planet when he gets up around 70 MILLION after fusing with Kami?

Vegeta was able to destroy the planet Arlia with his fingers, and was only @ 9,000.

Freiza was able to destroy planets in his untransformed state with a single finger at around power level 500-600.

Now.. considering that, it really depends at what point in DBZ you're talking about. If it's right B4-during the Sayain Saga... then NONE of Earth's Special Forces could even come close to destroying the planet ('cept perhaps Goku using KaiKen x 3).

Anywhere during/after the Android saga, however... many/most of the dbz fighters could destroy a planet about Earth's size.
-When Vegeta destroyed Planet Arlia, he was at 18,000. however, Arlia could have been a small planet to begin with, and thus made it easier to destroy.

-Furiza was at 530,000, and he was able to do that without even trying.

-Goku KaiokenX3 could NOT destroy an earth-sized planet. he was only at around PL 24,000. However, he COULD destroy a planet the size of earth if he was fighting during the Cell Games. The other Z-Fighters said so too

Nantuko Joe: Well, I never was a planet nameck junkie...

But I think I can back up what I posted with some reasonable logic...

When Vegeta destroyed Arlia.. I don't recall him using that blue energy move (whatever it's called). Although he may have used it.. he did destroy the planet with his finger tips.

Dam.. mispelled Furiza's name AND missed his powerlevel (forgot to put the "thousand" on the end). I meant to say "between 500-600 thousand", since I couldn't remember his exact power level.

Well.. Goku @ KaiokenX3 was/is stronger then Vegeta was when he was about to blow up the Earth using his Galla Gun... Gamma.... Ganna... damit can't spell it.

..Anyways, I'll just roll over on my belly and submit since I only seem to have a faded knowledge of stuff I saw once or twice about a year ago...

[Nantuko Joe]

well...like i said. it IS possible that arlia could be only the size of earth's moon, and that is the reason why Vegeta destroyed it so easily.

now, IF arlia was the exact same size and density as earth, then YES, goku could destroy a planet with a KaiokenX3 powered-up attack

[MasterX05]

WARNING!! DO NOT READ UNLESS U WANT TO KNOW THE END OF THE BUU SAGA

well i heard that mystic gohan is so dam strong that when he turns ss he dangers of blowing up the earth. And uub can kick ALL the x-men ass, and if u dont know who uub is he is the rebirth of kid buu after goku did his sprit bomb on him killing him. And some years later 7 I believe the tournerment rolled around. And of course goku was in it and he notice a strange black boy's powerful chi. when goku fought him he knew it was magin kid buu the good version and they were both equal in power. So basicly goku had a better idea, so he took uub and went away to train him and i guess he became apart of the Z fighters.

[SSJKarma]

BANSHEE CAN kill the DBZ chars !
think that way...
he YELL like hell and disable everyone.
then he just cut their head off while they are lying on the ground helpless ! :D
but still it is a little hard to pull.
anyway, he would be an hell of a hard person to kill !

Gambit can charge things like i said with raw ennergy he cannot use PERSON energy to do so as the energy in a person isn't in RAW form ! but he can still takes the RAW energy AROUND the person and charge that same person ! but like i said before, he would disable himself as it is way too much at once !

Roll: in THIS kind of fight, she is useless !
why ?
- can't blast that much she can cause damage enough to hurt a little people. she does have blown up a small part of a metallic wall !
- she is a child with no fighting ability at all, thus making her a really easy person to defeat !
- yes, she can blind, but she also need to be close to them !
- it needs about a thousand little fireworks to make her able to do real damage ! as you said it is like already her limit !
- she can't work alone, she isn't a fighter so she would be able to fight only if she teamed up with someone !

that's pretty much why i said she was useless in THIS fight !

as for BISHOP, no, is absorbing power has no limit.
why i say so, he can absorb cyclops biggest beam and relaunch it ! but you're right about one point. he can't stay with it, he has to rethrow it as soon as he has aborbed it ! or he would explode in a burst of energy.

and there is way too much MUTANT that can actually kill DBZ chars like goku and vegeta !
APOCALYPSE for an example, he is a god-like creature that can't be destroyed in any way. he can pretty much live in space. and can take the most powerfull blast of them all and still not having a single scratch ! but i think APOCALYPSE is out of the way ! just like the WATCHER, SILVER SURFER, THE PLANET EATER (damn his name, i can't remember it)

if we don't talk about all MARVEL chars, then DBZ has lots more chance to survive ! but if you include all MARVEL chars in the marvel universe ! they are simply no match for too much mutant in this world has some mutants have the ability to morph into things and other have the ability to CHANGE the earth to their likings !

Who do you think would win @ these?? (plz don't jump on me for misspelling most/all names).

1. Beast having an intellectual debate with Goku... :biggrin:

2. Rouge attempting to "touch" Muten Roshi... Roshi "attempting" to resist.

3. Gambit playing poker Yamcha, Olong, and Bulma.

4. Colassus arm wrestling with Tien.

5. Wolverine and Vegeta see which of them has more patience by standing next to Hercule for a few minutes.

6. Banshee having a screaming contest with Chi-Chi.

7. Hulk and Piccolo seeing who would get the medical staff's attention first by standing around at the same Tenchia Bouidokan that takes place after the Cell Games.

8. Hercule and Warpath, seeing who can run away from danger faster... :biggrin:

9. Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, Goku, and Gohan having an eating contest with every single X-Men there is/has been.

[mastaq]

LOL 2k warrior thats some funny ####.. :biggrin:

[Nantuko Joe]

BANSHEE CAN kill the DBZ chars !
think that way...
he YELL like hell and disable everyone.
then he just cut their head off while they are lying on the ground helpless ! :D
but still it is a little hard to pull.
anyway, he would be an hell of a hard person to kill !

Gambit can charge things like i said with raw ennergy he cannot use PERSON energy to do so as the energy in a person isn't in RAW form ! but he can still takes the RAW energy AROUND the person and charge that same person ! but like i said before, he would disable himself as it is way too much at once !

Roll: in THIS kind of fight, she is useless !
why ?
- can't blast that much she can cause damage enough to hurt a little people. she does have blown up a small part of a metallic wall !
- she is a child with no fighting ability at all, thus making her a really easy person to defeat !
- yes, she can blind, but she also need to be close to them !
- it needs about a thousand little fireworks to make her able to do real damage ! as you said it is like already her limit !
- she can't work alone, she isn't a fighter so she would be able to fight only if she teamed up with someone !

that's pretty much why i said she was useless in THIS fight !

as for BISHOP, no, is absorbing power has no limit.
why i say so, he can absorb cyclops biggest beam and relaunch it ! but you're right about one point. he can't stay with it, he has to rethrow it as soon as he has aborbed it ! or he would explode in a burst of energy.

and there is way too much MUTANT that can actually kill DBZ chars like goku and vegeta !
APOCALYPSE for an example, he is a god-like creature that can't be destroyed in any way. he can pretty much live in space. and can take the most powerfull blast of them all and still not having a single scratch ! but i think APOCALYPSE is out of the way ! just like the WATCHER, SILVER SURFER, THE PLANET EATER (damn his name, i can't remember it)

if we don't talk about all MARVEL chars, then DBZ has lots more chance to survive ! but if you include all MARVEL chars in the marvel universe ! they are simply no match for too much mutant in this world has some mutants have the ability to morph into things and other have the ability to CHANGE the earth to their likings !
Banshee: The DBZ characters, though they cant move faster than light, can surely move faster than sound. They could dodge Banshee's sonic scream to run behind him and disable him. And cut their heads off? Whatever...

Gambit: have no idea what you said, but this RAW energy thing? Sure, he could charge up like a car or a boulder and throw it, but I'm pretty sure any DBZ character (even yamucha) could take a charged up object and still be able to fight

Bishop: Umm...I'm pretty sure that Vegeta's Final Flash is a LOT STRONGER than Cyclops' biggest optic beam.

Apocalypse: I already gave him credit as being able to possibly (big maybe) kill the DBZ characters, he'd give Goku, Vegetto, and Gotenks a run for there money

All marvel characters: That wouldn't be a fair fight, woud it? There are only a handful of DBZ fighters, but there are hundreds and hundreds of Marvel characters

[SSJKarma]

do you really know gambit ?

i didn't say he could charge an object and throw it at them !
HE CAN CHARGE THE PERSON ITSELF ! (who can resist an inside explosion) well... cell can, but that's not the point !

GAMBIT:
he can crge anything that can take KINETICS energy. (the body can take that) he doesn'T need to use the energy IN the thing he's charging. he can take that same kinetic enegy from his surrounding !

he can just charge vegeta or goku if has a grab at them and then charge them up... after a while they will explode and it will be death for them !

but i did say that DBZ would win in a XMEN vs DBZ fight as there is too much for the XMEN to do to really be able to drop on DBZ chars ! but i also said that DBZ would have a hard time killing those XMEN !

BISHOP:
can absorb ANY BLAST as his power is absorbing energy what ever the kind !
he also has unlimited absorbing capacity as long as he doesn't keep it !
example: gambit throwed a card at him and bishop absorbed it
cyclops biggest beam can destroy the biggest mountain in the existing world... i think it's pretty equals to the most biggest blast in DBZ !

the only dif. is the DBZ blast explode and cyclops balst don't !

[Nantuko Joe]

cyclops biggest beam can destroy the biggest mountain in the existing world... i think it's pretty equals to the most biggest blast in DBZ !

the only dif. is the DBZ blast explode and cyclops balst don't !

ummm...do you WATCH DBZ? DBZ's have the ability to destroy planets. Cyclops doesn't have the ability to blow up Mt. Everest, nonetheless something the size of a planet

BISHOP:
can absorb ANY BLAST as his power is absorbing energy what ever the kind !
he also has unlimited absorbing capacity as long as he doesn't keep it !
example: gambit throwed a card at him and bishop absorbed it


I'm pretty sure that if he gets hit with a Death Ball (Furiza's staple attack), or a Final Flash, that Bishop wouldn't be able to absorb it and shoot it back simultaneously. Those are very large attacks (the Death Ball is the size of a tiny moon). Bishop would be too busy trying to absorb all that energy, but he wouldn't have anywhere to shoot it back, because there would be so much energy left over.

Take a look at the death ball Furiza threw at SSJ goku. He caught it, but there was no way he could shoot anything else back at Furiza because the Death Ball was too big and if he let go of it to shoot furiza the death ball would have exploded and killed him. Bishop wouldn't be able to do anything, and by time he absorbed the entire attack, the energy would be too much to contain for ANY period of time, and he would die

GAMBIT:
he can crge anything that can take KINETICS energy. (the body can take that) he doesn'T need to use the energy IN the thing he's charging. he can take that same kinetic enegy from his surrounding !

he can just charge vegeta or goku if has a grab at them and then charge them up... after a while they will explode and it will be death for them !

He wouldn't be able to grab on to GOku and Vegeta in the first place. Goku and Vegeta can move faster than sound. When Goku was on Namek, he OUTRAN AN EXPLOSION when he was in the immediate center of it. That's how fast the Z fighters are. Gambit may have slight superhuman speed, but nothing as compared to the Z Fighters.

And even if he DOES nab hold of Goku or Vegeta, he can't charge up that much energy in a millisecond, it would take him a long time to charge up all the energy that Goku and Vegeta contain. And in that time they could simply knock him away.

[MasterX05]

yep Nantuko i agree X-men does not really stand a chance against DBZ. Sorry all you X-men lovers, and DBZ haters its true. :D

[SSJKarma]

it's not perfectly accurates !

let's just say that even the most formidable fighter in the world make mistakes !

VEGETA for example...
GOKU have done lots of that too !

even the fastest guy in the world can't run forever as to fight he will have to fight HAND-TO-HAND so in that time even the slowest guy can have the time to grab onto someone !

for the rest your pretty right !

**attention attention**
for all that debate has become !
all i have seen are arguments that INCLUDE BLAST THROWING
i have tryed to argument on HAND-TO-HAND combat but none of you rely on those !

example:
"...but vegeta's big bang attack can destroy gambit easily !..."
"...but goku can just throw a big Kamehameha and destroy them all..."
"but cyclops can't duel against the final flash"
"...they can BLOW up planets !..."

it's all that has got into this debate !

HAND-TO-HAND combat are possible as even goku or vegeta has to get down to the level of gambit or wolvie in a close range fight !

again, i never said MARVEL would win against DBZ did i ?
i said they would put a great fight before getting killed !
why ?
again there is too much MARVEL characters in that can simply crush DBZ chars !

as for the speed of the DBZ chars !
a saibaymen have sucessfully grabbed onto YAMCHA and yamcha was way faster then it ! the speed in a fight isn't all that count and you all are making comment as the characters were PERFECT in every single move they do ! scuse me but vegeta is so STUBORN that even the weakest being can go and trap him !

again...
in a CLOSE RANGE FIGHT (hand to hand) MARVEL has all their chances !

for the cyclops blast...
that were you don't know cyclops nantuko !
in comic book he said himself that his beam in RAW MODE can destroy the biggest mountain in the world ! go look the strenght of his blast in WWW.MARVEL.COM and you'll know what i meant !

yes he cannot destroy a planet but he sure can destroy lots of hit with one single blast + his energy beam is UNLIMITED and goku or vegeta 's energy isn't !
why ?
because they use KI and cyclops energy is procuce in MASS he doesn't use his KI !

[dexterslab69]

You people write alot!!!! I go with DBZ too!!! :tongue2:

[Roll]

You're all forgetting one entity. Pheonix.

[DARKPICCOLO]

(Dark Piccolo throws water on Pheonix)

DONE & DONE :lol:

[dexterslab69]

HA!......just felt like doing that! ??? :p

well believe me or not but i think Dragonballz will win... .:biggrin:

[dexterslab69]

I think so too! It's that they can turn into Super Sayen (not sure if spelled right!) and hell will break lose! :p

[Nantuko Joe]

a saibaymen have sucessfully grabbed onto YAMCHA and yamcha was way faster then it

Then again, Yamucha thought that the Saibaman was dead. It surprised him when he had his back turned. He turned around, it jumped on him (he was too surprised to move out of the way) and blew up and killed him

the speed in a fight isn't all that count and you all are making comment as the characters were PERFECT in every single move they do ! scuse me but vegeta is so STUBORN that even the weakest being can go and trap him !

Have you SEEN the DBZ characters hand-to-hand? You can barely even see them. That's because of their speed. In a fight, speed is everything. Power is only secondary. Look at the Cell saga: USSJ Trunks had more than enough POWER to defeat Perfect Cell, but lacked the SPEED to do so. The DBZ characters can SEE and MOVE faster than normal humans (or even mutants) can. Howver, STRENGTH and POWER also play big parts. If Wolvie takes a swing with his claws...Goku or Vegeta or Trunks or Gohan or Goten or Piccolo could just block it, parry it, then punch a hole through his chest.

[ajtimbs]

x men vs dbz? ???
o i see i don't like dbz
i like x men and pokemon and yu-gi-ho :)

[Nantuko Joe]

If you have nothing intelligent to say, then don't say anything

[Roll]

Trust me, Piccolo, throwing water on Pheonix is not going to do anything at all. Judging by her appearance in the Episodes, she has enough power with mind control to surpass Xavier's even with Cerebro linked with him. Pheonix could just fly over all of the DBZ characters and control them with her mind power.
Then there is Apocalypse. He has the ability to change his body into anything, a drill, a hammer, etc. His strength and technique can get at any DBZ fighter.
Plus, cannonball can withstand damage while using his powers. Surprising as it is, this happens to be true (and I find it wierd) .
Let's not forget Mystiques ability to change into another being, which is so precise, everything is exactly the same. She could change into Goku, and they would have to kill one of them to to try and get rid of her... although, I'm not sure if she could duplicate the power readings.
Emma Frost is also essential to the battle. Along with the ability to become somewhat invincible with one of her powers intact, she can manipulate the minds of others to make them change their thought of what to do. This could effect the battle in a lot of ways.
Then Juggernaut. he could win the battle, as he is unsusceptible to Physical attacks of any kind, and can never be stopped in his pace, but only be slowed down. He is only affected by psiotic attack but only with his helmet off.
Mr. Sinister is immortal due to his genius in biotics and genetics. He is able to rearrange his molecules to change his shape, size, appearance, everything, and has superhuman strength along with an accelerated healing factor.

If you need more people to agrue about, I've gots a list. I just don't want you all to get bored.

[Nantuko Joe]

Trust me, Piccolo, throwing water on Pheonix is not going to do anything at all. Judging by her appearance in the Episodes, she has enough power with mind control to surpass Xavier's even with Cerebro linked with him. Pheonix could just fly over all of the DBZ characters and control them with her mind power.

That is true. If measly Babidi could control Vegeta, Phoenix could prolly control everyone

Then there is Apocalypse. He has the ability to change his body into anything, a drill, a hammer, etc. His strength and technique can get at any DBZ fighter.

I already gave props to Apocalypse. He'd be deadly

Plus, cannonball can withstand damage while using his powers. Surprising as it is, this happens to be true (and I find it wierd) .

I'm pretty sure he wont' be able to withstand all the damage from a super-strong attack like the Renzoku Senkoudan or Biku Band

Let's not forget Mystiques ability to change into another being, which is so precise, everything is exactly the same. She could change into Goku, and they would have to kill one of them to to try and get rid of her... although, I'm not sure if she could duplicate the power readings.

She can imitate the enemy's physiology, but not their powers. If Mystique transformed into Goku, not only would she not be able to raise her power level, but she wouldn't have any of his abilities, nor the ability to fly

Emma Frost is also essential to the battle. Along with the ability to become somewhat invincible with one of her powers intact, she can manipulate the minds of others to make them change their thought of what to do. This could effect the battle in a lot of ways.

She can't stay invincible forever. And she can't manipulate the minds of 6 fighters at the same time. At some point in there, she'd be destroyed by a Z fighter

Then Juggernaut. he could win the battle, as he is unsusceptible to Physical attacks of any kind, and can never be stopped in his pace, but only be slowed down. He is only affected by psiotic attack but only with his helmet off.


Juggernaut...pfft. Compared to the strength of any Saiya-jin Z fighter (except Goten and Trunks), Juggernaut is a wuss. The Z fighters can punch ppl down into the ground and they'd make a crater a mile deep. Juggernaut doesn't have that much power. He could be stopped easily. and I'm pretty sure that any Z fighter could simply crush that measly metal helmet and rip it off. Then he would be susceptible to mental attack

Mr. Sinister is immortal due to his genius in biotics and genetics. He is able to rearrange his molecules to change his shape, size, appearance, everything, and has superhuman strength along with an accelerated healing factor.

He's not immortal...he could be killed. As you remember, he is susceptable to the optic blasts of lowly Cyclops. I'm pretty sure that if he is blown to miniscule bits, he can't regenerate himself.

If you need more people to agrue about, I've gots a list. I just don't want you all to get bored.

Bring it on

[Roll]

Goody! I'm getting out your good arguing side! *giggles*

Now let's see...
How about Shadowcat? She has the ability to to slide through solid matter by negotiating the spaces between atoms. This effect can go to her clothing, and any objects or beings that touch her. (which means punches and physical attacks along with certain ki mean nothing to her. :biggrin: ) And while intangable, she can walk on air, and pass through electricity, etc.

Toad is very very different. He has a unique ability to hop very far, which probably wouldn't help him at all, if he didn't have the ability to produce a substance that can paralyze his victims.

Colossus has the ability to turn his body tissue into a metallic substance that is believed to be steel and osmium. That belief is still unknown to be true, but what is known, is that in increases his strength and durability.

Domino is a mutant with psionic control over luck-altering probability fields, stacking the odds in her favor. In other words, never play poker with her! :biggrin:

And finally the baddest one I can think of, Onslaught. Onslaught possessed the combined mutant abilities of progenitors Professor X and Magneto. He could induce illusions, temporary mental or physical paralysis, loss of specific memories, or total amnesia; project mind-numbing mental bolts; and sense the presence of mutants within a small radius. Also, Onslaught was able to shape and manipulate magnetic fields, both natural and artificial. Using his powers to augment his strength, he could lift up to 100 tons. Other abilities included telekinesis and astral projection.

[Tidus2K2]

X-men VS DBZ

LOL I don't know how you can think for a second that x-men would have a chance of winning the fight. Let me tell you one thing. They are all mutants. Humans but with an extra technique that makes them unique.

Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.

LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.

The only advantage that the whole x-men team has is sheer numbers. Counting all the teams they're affiliated with the number goes over 400.

Still I think DBZ will win only because if any of those guys piss vegeta of it's goodbye for the planet and it's inhabitants.

[Roll]

Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.
Um, could Vegeta teleport away from the mind control when Babadi was using his mind control? No. Babadi was able to manipulate Vegeta, and he was a very weak magician. Therefore, mind manipulation is very easy to do against the DBZ characters.


LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.
Once again, Brolly is not even acceptable in this fight, so this argument is totally off because of it. Don't take this the wrong way though. I didn't make the rules.

I still say DBZ would win because if they piss off Vegeta blah blah blah blah
I noticed that you over-estimate Vegeta's abilities in this fight. He would be manipulated to forgetting a lot of things (Like how to fight) by Onslaught, or he might just kill himself after being manipulated by Pheonix.

[raidus]

Sigh, X-men could take all the DBZ characters... if I havent said it enough times, DBZ would get owned by gambit, their Ki would be useless... and Cyclops and Gambit could just sit and shoot at them, Wolverine could go close range, and what dbz attacks wont do anything to him, because he heals himself, in the comics Magneto has the ability to use the iron in your blood to your disadvantage, so if we go by comics they would all die. Nightcrawler has more speed than the DBZ chars cause he can just simply teleport. Shadowcat can just own them good, cause their attacks wont hurt her. Storm could slow the DBZ guys down quite abit with her powers, which leaves them to a disadvantage.

[Roll]

Sigh, X-men could take all the DBZ characters... if I havent said it enough times, DBZ would get owned by gambit, their Ki would be useless... and Cyclops and Gambit could just sit and shoot at them, Wolverine could go close range, and what dbz attacks wont do anything to him, because he heals himself, in the comics Magneto has the ability to use the iron in your blood to your disadvantage, so if we go by comics they would all die. Nightcrawler has more speed than the DBZ chars cause he can just simply teleport. Shadowcat can just own them good, cause their attacks wont hurt her. Storm could slow the DBZ guys down quite abit with her powers, which leaves them to a disadvantage.
I'm all for saying that X-Men will win, but you're forgetting to state full agruments of what they could do. Cyclops optic blast isn't strong enough to fend off all the DBZ characters, Gambit can only control raw energy, so that won't help against Ki, Wolverine's healing ability isn't THAT FAST, and if they blew his arm or leg off, he wouldn't be able to heal that, Nightcrawler is fast because of his teleporting, but his normal running speeds are slow-ish, Shadow cat cannot pass through ALL attacks, only physical, solid, and a few certain ki attacks, Storm is just a woman who controls the elements of the earth in storms, typhoons, hurricanes, blizzards, etc. I admit that is good, but it wouldn't stop everyone.

[raidus]

Well Id assume its pretty obvious, if you know anything about any of the characters...

[Roll]

If you read my post at all, you would've known why your argument was invalid. Try again.

[SSJKarma]

nantuko: that's were you're wrong about sinister !

he's much like cell and had already bean blown up to bits by cyclops to a point where he was in about 1,000,000,000 pieces ! and jean sent them flying and spreading over the earth. and guess what ?

he BRINGED himself back together ! it took lots of time to do so, but he did !
he isn't MORTAL as he is much like GARLIC jr when he asked for immortality !
even cyclops beam cannot do a big ####. it STOP HIM AND HURT HIM yes ! but it doesn't kill him ! and the only reason it does so, is because cyclops beam isn't ki or anything it's PURE ENERGY ! no one can withstand pure energy !

[raidus]

Roll, Wolverines arms could never be broken off, he has indestructable metal for bones remember. And I dont believe their ki is pure, only the spirit bomb, because they are just using their own energy, and the spirit bomb takes too long to make strong enoug.

[Roll]

Raidus, you're missing the point.

[SSJKarma]

raidus: i didn't say the KI was pure energy ! i was talking about CYCLOPS OPTIC BLAST is !
it's not the same as the genki dama but still is pure energy that can pass trhu anything !
remember that cyclops throw it at the ground and runned while digging with his blast just to get gambit and wolverine back !

that simply explain why he can destroy a mountain because the only thing that keep his blast that small. is HIM because he don't want to do much damage when he use it !

[Tidus2K2]

OK OK x-men would win. I have no idea how that came. Vegeta was in control of babidi without him knowing he had no idea who was in his head plus he had a darkside to him and a low tempered side so it was easy for babidi to get into vegetas head.

Vegetas was changed a lot by the end of DBZ and if he doesn't destroy the plant there will be goku gohan or Cell.

Gambit and Cyclops attacks mean nothing to any of the DBZ character. Gambits move is just like a couple of missiles hitting one of the Z fighters and Nappa was against an army and they couldn't hurt him.

Now i wanna bring a fact from a movie because Goku can do this even outside the movie but it just showed it in the movie.
If nightcrawler teleports goku will teleport with him and the dimension that they goto for that mear second goku would kill nightcrawler in before returning. My proof when metal cooler and goku were fighting they both kept teleporting and kept on showing how they went to the other place and got back fist to fist.

Now for wolverine. It takes time for him to heal from damages done to him. He can't heal himself right the moment he gets damaged and he would get totally incinerated if gets blasted by a Kamehameha or A Masenko. Now remember wolverine had died lots of times but was kept telepathically alive so you can't say that he won't die if he gets hit by an attack from one of the Z fighters.

This mind control thing is really ticking me off. X-man has the power but he's gonna die. Xavier has trouble with the people he tries to control. And Jean is new to it so she doesn't have enough power to kill one of the Z fighters. While she is manipulating one the other would simply blast her to another dimension. Xavier to my knowledge might be able to control like 4 of them but right when he gets them under his control krillin will cut him in half with his destructo disc.

If not broily then lets use cell. If cell gets close to anyone you know as well as I do tht he can obsorb his enemy. Just fro the fun of it he'll teleport behind juggernaut and suck out all the juice form his body including the Gem.

When you think about x-men you use everything in itall the characters and all there strenght. If you use the DBz characters at full strenght or all the other charaters affiliating with DBZ. DBZ will crush X-men.

[Roll]

I'm not using Regular Jean Grey here. I'm talking about Pheonix. You know, the entity that had the mind power to hold back apacolypse while Cable excorsized (sp?) him. You could control the entire DBZ cast with her mental abilities. And you keep forgetting Onslaught. I stated it before, and I will state it again. He has the ability to cause amnesia, memory loss, and temporary Paralysis both mind-wise and physically.

Oh and as the Gem is not a biotic thing, it cannot be drained of power, therefore keeping Juggernaut alive, and well sustained.

[SSJKarma]

so true for juggy !
and juggy throwed out the gem out into space to be sure no one ever messed with his powers !
cell wouldn't be able to absorb juggy as he would need to pass thru his armor... and as i know NOTHING HAD EVEN past thru it ! it made a big bunt in it but it never made a hole in it !

the gem wouldn't be absord as roll said ! CELL can't absorb what isn't biological !
the powers of juggy are too much !
and yes, juggy would resist any attacks of any DBZ chars !

and tidus2k2...
GOKU and METAL COOLER weren't teleporting !
they were just too fast for the normal eyes to see them !

nightcrawler would survived in that other universe but at the speed it goes on ! GOKU wouldn't have time to kill him before he gets back as it is INSTANT ! and goku would get trapped in that other universe if it wasn't for nightcrawler opening him the door to this one again !

night crawler can cause them way too much damage and i am glad to know someone who had made me think of fav !
nightcrawler is one of the SIMPLE X-MEN that can kill any DBZ chars !

when he teleports it makes an explosion (a little but an explosion) he could simply teleport aside them and do it indefinitely ! thus making any DBZ chars unable to hit him but still DBZ chars would take full damage !

and they cannot sense him as it is TELEPORTATION ! so there is no way they can know where he will be appearing !

[Tidus2K2]

OOKK. Now to bring in the big guns for Juggernaut. Read

Onslaught literally pulled the Crimson Gem out of Cain's body and put him inside it. Inside the Gem, Cain journeyed through his part, and found out that he was the avatar of Cytorrak on Earth. Cytorrak wanted to use Cain as a host, but Cain, through sheer force of will, destroyed the animated statue representing the evil god and returned to Earth, stronger than ever, but less in control, and destined to destroy everything in his path. After OZT, he actually showed up at the Mansion with a lawyer and tried to weasel the team out of Xavier's money, given that the Prof was missing. He was ignored, because everyone was trying to save Cyclops's life, and got ticked off, but when he saw the ragged condition of the team, he left, saying that they'd fall apart within a few weeks anyway. Later, Cain heard of a second gem in Korea, and went to get it, but fell into a trap laid by the Chejo-Do clan. They used the second gem to suck the power out of Juggy, leaving him a withered shadow of his former self. However, and Black Tom's request, Gambit, Storm and Shadowcat stole the gem back. Unfortunately, the second gem was imbued with the evil of Cytorrak, and Cain was possessed. He began a rampage that led him to actually break down the barriers between dimensions, and left our reality altogether. The X-Men were called in to stop him by the Oktid, the denizens of that plane, again at Black Tom's request. In reality, however, it was the Trion, the ruling "gods" of that dimension who were using their sequestered "dark side" to control Cain's body, hoping to get the X-Men to destroy him and rid themselves of their own evil. Xavier and Wolverine managed to enter Cain's mind, where they convinced him to re-take control of the power of the Juggernaut, which he did. He did not leave that dimension with the X-Men, but he somehow managed to get back to Earth to help Black Tom attack the kids of Generation X.

OK happy it's possible and i'm betting one of the dbz characters could do it.

Now for phoenix please specify which one your talking about a host or the entity that helps out a teleknetic mutant.

Thor burst through Onslaught and physically removed Xavier from the villain. However, this did not slow Onslaught down; in fact, once he was no longer tethered to his original host, Onslaught became a being of pure psionic energy. Tapping into Nate Grey's mind to learn how the Apocalypse of his time took over the world, Onslaught realized that neither men nor mutants were "worthy" to live on Earth, and so decided to obliterate them all. Using Franklin's awesome power, Onslaught created a second sun in the sky. While Storm and Thor tried to minimize the climactic damage, the Hulk had Phoenix shut down his Banner persona, and became a raging beast intent on stopping Onslaught. The two fought, and the Hulk even broke Onslaught's armor, but it didn't matter. Onslaught had evolved into pure thought. The heroes realized that matter was needed to contain Onslaught, so Thor flew into the torrent of psionic energy. When he proved insufficient, the rest of the non-mutant heroes joined him (mutant matter would only have fed Onslaught, who was a mutant himself), sacrificing their lives to defeat one of the most powerful beings ever.
So now you'll have to specify which form of him as well. It's kinda like a kick in the butt isn't it.

[MasterX05]

[/quote]
Um, could Vegeta teleport away from the mind control when Babadi was using his mind control? No. Babadi was able to manipulate Vegeta, and he was a very weak magician. Therefore, mind manipulation is very easy to do against the DBZ characters.[/quote]

roll not really vegeta could fight Babadi out of his mind, in fact Babadi HAD NO control over vegeta. Vegeta told goku he LET Babadi control him cause he wanted the power
to bring down goku. Remember when he ordered vegta to kill all of the Z ppl he ignored him and fought goku, then destroyed Babadi's ship and went off to take down buu.
Also like i said before uub or the fat good buu (if he wanted to help) could easily take down the whole X-men, cause really buu is invincble. All thou i am not suree that uub is invincble :p :D

[mysticveggeto]

dbz has the power because when gokus throughs a spirit bomb no xmen would stand a chance and mostly all the z fighters could through huge beams like the spirit bomb !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ??? ??? ???

[Roll]

Oh I see. You're trying to bring in the fact that they faught against each other. If you're adding in this, Vegeta would probably fight against Goku if Jubilee or someone else said that he was weaker than Goku, and the only way to prove he was stronger would be to kill him. Sad isn't it? Now, I can bring up rivalries all day. Would you like to make the fight fair or not? If so then I'll continue.

By Pheonix I mean the entity herself. They both combined, remember? They became one, and increased her power of the mind. She can definitely Control the minds of all the DBZ characters easily, as stated by Nantuko. Btw, Machine, you forget that Vegeta doesn't like to show weaknesses, so he might have just said that in order to seem like he meant for it to happen. I mean, he couldn't have known that babadi was going to increase his strength at all.

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.

Vegetto, you'd be surprised how much that doesn't really say. Pheonix could reflect it, or Juggernaut could absorb it, or Onslaught could use his mind manipulation abilities to make the Z fighters forget how to use the attacks. It's all really simple if you know your X-Men. X-Men would really win this battle, but not without a fight.

[mastaq]

Why always debate something with DBZ? ???

[Roll]

They're DBZ freaks, what do you expect?

[mysticveggeto]

im not a freak rember that other vegetto made it im veggeto with two gs the other won has two ts

[mastaq]

Bah forget this debate... I'm going to start a REAL debate.. :biggrin:

[Roll]

im not a freak rember that other vegetto made it im veggeto with two gs the other won has two ts
REALLY! Well, how about I prove you wrong with a link, huh?

click me (http://nferno666.sytes.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.pl?act=ST;f=6;t=1776;st=20)

[mysticveggeto]

whel look at the topic maker it says mysticvegetto and im mysticveggeto

[SSJKarma]

first: the genki dama (spirit bomb) couldn't kill most of the XMEN as they are good !

second: vegeta didn't let himself over take he did fought like hell to keep his mind when it happenened ! yeah ONCE IT WAS STARTED he decided to try and keep his mind because he couldn't do better ! don't count what vegeta said because vegeta is so stuborn to tell the truth ! do you really think he planned this long before all happen ? no, he planned it when it happenned !

third: you're saying that DBZ win just because they can BLAST better than MARVEL ? think again ! there is not just BLAST in a fight there is more than that so don't act like a noob by saying stupidities like this !

four: in a blast duel, yes DBZ win !
BUT TRY TO TALK ABOUT HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT FOR A CHANGE !

in a very close range fight the person goes at the same speed as the other ! you don't see them going in thew show because it is there to show you fast they can be, but they aren't that fast without BOOSTING up ! get them rid of their KI and they are simple person !
PROOF ?
here's one !
VIDEL is an hell of a fighter !
when she learned how to use her ki then she had become more powerfull then she was ! all that is needed now is the training that goes with it and she could be as powerfull as krillin or even picollo ! as for the saiyen, no one can go to there level just because akira toriyama maked them the best fighter around ! (they die and resurect there stronger, they almoist die, they become stronger, they fight and lose, they become stronger, they simply fart and they become stronger !) now i'm asking you ! can you really say it is fair for any other fighter ?

i had enough of all this !
STOP DEBATING AROUND THINGS THAT CAN'T BE COMPARED !

[Tidus2K2]

Karma I agree with you on the fact that it's something pointless to debate on. But you gotta understand most people here I think are under 15 so they're curios.

[MasterX05]

Oh I see. You're trying to bring in the fact that they faught against each other. If you're adding in this, Vegeta would probably fight against Goku if Jubilee or someone else said that he was weaker than Goku, and the only way to prove he was stronger would be to kill him. Sad isn't it? Now, I can bring up rivalries all day. Would you like to make the fight fair or not? If so then I'll continue.

By Pheonix I mean the entity herself. They both combined, remember? They became one, and increased her power of the mind. She can definitely Control the minds of all the DBZ characters easily, as stated by Nantuko. Btw, Machine, you forget that Vegeta doesn't like to show weaknesses, so he might have just said that in order to seem like he meant for it to happen. I mean, he couldn't have known that babadi was going to increase his strength at all.

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.
ok i see your point but vegeta saw how Videl did that fatel blow on Spopovitch in the tournerment, and did not even scracth him(and that move could almost kill a human) And when Vegeta found out about babadi's mind control over the 2 slaves which made them strounger than a averge human and the ablity to fly. He was thinking about letting babdi do this to him so he could be even more powerful. More powerful then goku.

For u see Vegeta knew he was weaker than goku when he failed against freeza. He was bossed around for years by the man who kiiled his father and he prince of all syains could do nothing about it, but when he saw goku go ss a mere low class sayain passed even him. Then and there he said for now goku is the stroungest i am at his mercy, also his pride was broken even when goku's own son took down cell and he failed in that. That is why he was so determine to be more powerful than goku and evened pushed his son trunks in training at a young age so his son could overcome goku's son goten.
Therefore it was his goal to train hard and one day beat goku in combat, and i dont think Jubilee could even push him thinking what he already knows
come on roll bring it on! :sly:

[Roll]

Then again, Machine, Vegeta is really stupid. Look how many times he's been tricked or has under-estimated people. (Cell, Frieza, Goku, Gohan, Trunks, Goku.....Goku :biggrin: ) Don't forget, that Onslaught could make him forget about him being stronger than Goku (if he really is) and then Jubilee could taunt him.


Veggeto/Vegetto: Oh yeah? Then why do BOTH of you have the SAME Banners? and avatar? And why do they have Veggeto and Vegetto on the banners? You are such a big fat liar, and I hate liars, Vegetto/Veggeto.

[Nantuko Joe]

Wow, three more pages in a day. I've got some catching-up to do:

How about Shadowcat? She has the ability to to slide through solid matter by negotiating the spaces between atoms. This effect can go to her clothing, and any objects or beings that touch her. (which means punches and physical attacks along with certain ki mean nothing to her. ) And while intangable, she can walk on air, and pass through electricity, etc.

That's great....and also, while she's doing her disapperaing act, she can't attack anyone either, because she'd pass right through them

Toad is very very different. He has a unique ability to hop very far, which probably wouldn't help him at all, if he didn't have the ability to produce a substance that can paralyze his victims.

Ooh...he can hop. DBZ characters can fly. And it can't paralyze someone just from getting on there clothes or skin, they'd have to get it inside there body somehow

Colossus has the ability to turn his body tissue into a metallic substance that is believed to be steel and osmium. That belief is still unknown to be true, but what is known, is that in increases his strength and durability.

Yes...steel...and what are those buildings in DBZ made out of that get destroyed so easily during fights?

Domino is a mutant with psionic control over luck-altering probability fields, stacking the odds in her favor. In other words, never play poker with her!

However, this is a fight to the death, not poker. Luck has nothing to do with instincts and good fighting skills

And finally the baddest one I can think of, Onslaught. Onslaught possessed the combined mutant abilities of progenitors Professor X and Magneto. He could induce illusions, temporary mental or physical paralysis, loss of specific memories, or total amnesia; project mind-numbing mental bolts; and sense the presence of mutants within a small radius. Also, Onslaught was able to shape and manipulate magnetic fields, both natural and artificial. Using his powers to augment his strength, he could lift up to 100 tons. Other abilities included telekinesis and astral projection.

Any buu could take him out (i retract my previous statement about only kid buu). Buu has no mind, no internal organs or skeleton. Therefore, he can not be subject to any form of mind control or physical paralysis.

Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.

Not if its done from a distance. Remember, Babidi controlled Vegeta's mind, and he was already a good way into the control before Vegeta even knew what was going on...

LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.

Brolly doesn't count, since he didn't exist in the DBZ timeline

Sigh, X-men could take all the DBZ characters... if I havent said it enough times, DBZ would get owned by gambit, their Ki would be useless... and Cyclops and Gambit could just sit and shoot at them

How many times do I have to tell you? DBZ fighters don't use RAW ENERGY! THEY USE KI! THERE'S A DIFFERENCE!

Wolverine could go close range, and what dbz attacks wont do anything to him, because he heals himself

He can't heal himself immediately. If he got blown through the midsection with a beam, it's all over. Not even the adamantium skeleton would stop the blast

in the comics Magneto has the ability to use the iron in your blood to your disadvantage, so if we go by comics they would all die

All except the Androids, Cell, and Buu

Nightcrawler has more speed than the DBZ chars cause he can just simply teleport

Teleporting is not a measure of speed. Goku can teleport too

Shadowcat can just own them good, cause their attacks wont hurt her

Yes, but while she's in that state, she can't attack either

Storm could slow the DBZ guys down quite abit with her powers, which leaves them to a disadvantage

However, Storm is incredibly weak, and the weakest Ki blast from the weakest character in DBZ would knock her down.

nantuko: that's were you're wrong about sinister !

he's much like cell and had already bean blown up to bits by cyclops to a point where he was in about 1,000,000,000 pieces ! and jean sent them flying and spreading over the earth. and guess what ?

he BRINGED himself back together ! it took lots of time to do so, but he did !
he isn't MORTAL as he is much like GARLIC jr when he asked for immortality !
even cyclops beam cannot do a big ####. it STOP HIM AND HURT HIM yes ! but it doesn't kill him ! and the only reason it does so, is because cyclops beam isn't ki or anything it's PURE ENERGY ! no one can withstand pure energy !

I'm not just talking about little pieces. I'm talking COMPLETE DISINTEGRATION!!! As in, NOTHING LEFT!

Roll, Wolverines arms could never be broken off, he has indestructable metal for bones remember. And I dont believe their ki is pure, only the spirit bomb, because they are just using their own energy, and the spirit bomb takes too long to make strong enoug.

the Adamantium on Wolverin'es skeleton IS ABLE TO BE BROKEN AND BENT. After all, how did the ppl who bonded it to wolverine shape it and curve it around his body? They had to have been able to bend or break or melt it somehow. Therefore, a DBZ beam would be able to shatter the metal.

And <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>ALLL</span> of a DBZ character's energy is pure ki. There is no "pure energy" or "raw energy"

Now i wanna bring a fact from a movie because Goku can do this even outside the movie but it just showed it in the movie.
If nightcrawler teleports goku will teleport with him and the dimension that they goto for that mear second goku would kill nightcrawler in before returning. My proof when metal cooler and goku were fighting they both kept teleporting and kept on showing how they went to the other place and got back fist to fist.

You can't use that, because that dimension doesn't exist. In DBZ, when Goku teleports, he <span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'>IMMEDIATELY</span> appears where he wants to be, there is no in between. That dimension in Movie #6, it doesn't really exist

so true for juggy !
and juggy throwed out the gem out into space to be sure no one ever messed with his powers !
cell wouldn't be able to absorb juggy as he would need to pass thru his armor... and as i know NOTHING HAD EVEN past thru it ! it made a big bunt in it but it never made a hole in it !

He can absorb it via his tail. Remember, he still has his tail in Perfect form, it's just really small. That's where he spit the Cell Jr.s from. He'd absorb the gem via his tail

the gem wouldn't be absord as roll said ! CELL can't absorb what isn't biological

He absorbed Android 17 and 18. They're half biological, half mechanical. Therefore, he is able to absorb non-biological forms

nightcrawler would survived in that other universe but at the speed it goes on ! GOKU wouldn't have time to kill him before he gets back as it is INSTANT ! and goku would get trapped in that other universe if it wasn't for nightcrawler opening him the door to this one again !

That dimension doesn't exist. And even if it did, there isn't only one entrance and one exit. Goku could form his own entrance and exit. And Goku's teleportation is INSTANTANEOUS, the exact moment he disappears, he reappears

night crawler can cause them way too much damage and i am glad to know someone who had made me think of fav !
nightcrawler is one of the SIMPLE X-MEN that can kill any DBZ chars !

when he teleports it makes an explosion (a little but an explosion) he could simply teleport aside them and do it indefinitely ! thus making any DBZ chars unable to hit him but still DBZ chars would take full damage !

and they cannot sense him as it is TELEPORTATION ! so there is no way they can know where he will be appearing !

Those little explosions aren't REAL explosions, just a flash of fire and sulfur. They wouldn't faze the DBZ characters, no matter how many times he does it.

and Goku could indeed sense Nightcrawler's teleportation. Characters can sense teleportation. They feel their "ki" and feel where it can appear next. Also, Goku would be able to hear the explosion of nightcrawler's teleportation and be there to punch him the moment he reappears. Remeber, Goku can OUTRUN AN EXPLOSION EVEN IF HE IS AT THE CORE! Therefore, he would be able to hear the beginning of Nightcrawler's return teleport and be there even before Nightcrawler reappears fully

cause really buu is invincble. All thou i am not suree that uub is invincble

although I'm all for DBZ, Buu is NOT invincible. lemme learn you something here:

After Kid Buu was killed, Goku wanted to fight Buu again (as a challenge) and used the Dragonballs to wish him back from death. However, only Buu's good half came back, and instead of forming Fat Buu, it formed Ubuu.

Therefore, Buu CAN be killed

And Buu lost his invincibility after he seperated into skinny buu and fat buu (dunno their real names). So, no, he's not invincible.

He was never invincible in the first place

VIDEL is an hell of a fighter !
when she learned how to use her ki then she had become more powerfull then she was ! all that is needed now is the training that goes with it and she could be as powerfull as krillin or even picollo

Videl could not become as strong as Piccolo or Kuririn. At best, she'd be able to kick Yamucha's ass (if she trained like mad), but no stronger

and then Jubilee could taunt him.

He'd just get annoyed with Jubilee and blast her. Besides, what will she do? Shoot fireworks at him?

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[mysticveggeto]

hha i shouled tell you this why? because the other vegetto is my coiusin and he toled me about the forum that won is the liar look he put him self the same age as me and me and my cousins computer is connectedand he told me the url for the banner oh what you say what you are

[MasterX05]

roll why in the hell are u calling me machine ???

:D dbz wud wup ass against x men street fight marvel and all.[CODE] reason #1 dbz guys havem ultimate attacks#2 dbz guys are faster than hell #3 KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : :angry: :angryfire: butx men wud put up a good fight and it depends on which dbz carachter they fight anbd wat point and time.Im with nantuko on many points and Id like 2 piont out 1.Wen night crawler dissapears he lets off a sulferic type smoke that indicates him going into the other dimension, but when goku teleports (which he doesnt,he uses instant transmission)there is no smoke ,or anything in that matter except his afterimage.so he doesnt go there k? THANK U

[MasterX05]

case closed DBZ wins :D *turns ss flys out window to roll's house to throw ki's at her house* jk :D :laugh:

[SSJKarma]

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS !

[Nantuko Joe]

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

START KNOWING YOUR CHARACTERS FOR A CHANGE !

NIGHTCRAWLER couldn't be sensed cause he teleport into another dimension travel in it and then come back to this one ! and it is INSTANT just like goku with his teleport !
you don't know it then go on WWW.marvel.com and see the description just for the fun of it !

next. goku in a NON-KI fight isn't that fast !
why ?
because they ALL USE THEIR KI to ENHANCE their attacks, SPEEDS, STRENGHT !

VIDEL = with same training as other ZWARRIOR would have the very same strengh as the other ! don't just stop to the fact she is weaker in the manga, go beyond that. think training and techniques for a change ! if she had knew about KI, don't you think she would have trained herself with it ! again, if she had gone into the same GRAVITY training she would have add the very same strenght ! next, too bad, they train their STRENGHT and the SPEED is going up too. don't you think that is a little too weird ? why, because they use their ki to go at that speed ! when videl learned about the ability to use KI in the fight, what did she got ? more speed and strenght and also the ability to fly !

i just have enough of you always saying your right and we are wrong. your not the only one who know something ! try and understand or LET the person have the truth for once in a while !

MasterX05: vegeta didn't planned it would go that way !
he saw spopovitch strenght but didn't even know what maked him that strong so, he couldn't have PLANNED all this has he didn't know what was going on !

VIDEL = that kick WOULD had kill any STANDARD human ! she has the same strengh as KRILLIN in a matter of fact ! but lack KI to use so she is just NORMAL ! but still she would put a big fight on any DBZ chars if they wanted to fight with her in a NON-KI fight !

now, as i already said, THERE IS NO WAY TO COMPARE THOSE TWO AS THEY DON'T USE THE SAME PHYSICS !
once again, DBZ character do not just use Ki to make their attacks stronger. You seriously think that Goku isn't much stronger than a normal human without using ki? You're seriously wrong. In Dragonball, they did just strength training without using ki, and Goku was still a kid, and he still whomped ass over every single person in the Tenkaichi Budoukais.

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.

And I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong...

[QUIET_KILLER]

nantuko: i have enough of you always saying we are wrong !

that's tough. If I see somewhere where one of you is wrong, I'm going to exploit it. And I expect no less from you ppl.
Yeah I agree :withstupid: I thought that was how the whole forum was helps the othr out.Jumps in exploits that weakness In their presence they leave the gift of Info along with other tiny lil help full things :biggrin:

[DarkstriderX]

he said streetfighter not xmen fool!

bison
zangief
ryu
ken
cammy
guile
blanka
vega
THE OLD SCHOOL PEEPS COULD KICK GOKU'S ASS, IF GOKU HAS THAT HEART VIRUS. LOL :angry:

[SSJKarma]

nantuko: i never said he wasn't strong ! i just said that he is very less strong than he looks since he most of the time KI to enhance their powers !

again, have you ever notice how the SAIYEN are THE ULTIMATE RACE ?
they fart and the earth explode !
come on ! be better than that !
GOKU = MAIN chars ! it would be bad if anything had happenned to him !

i think we shouldn't add the saiyen into this debate has they are way above anything normal !
example:
they die and come back to life = double their STRENGH
they almost die and are healed = double their strengh
they fight and lose = double their strengh

do the math and notice how they can be too much for any chars !
those are just because they are the main chars of the series !
if krillin would have been it's him who had been that strong !

again, with the same training ANYONE could be as strong as any DBZ chars !

[Nantuko Joe]

i think we shouldn't add the saiyen into this debate has they are way above anything normal !

Then we shouldn't add mutants to the debate, because they're way stronger than humans. Whoops. Your mistake

they die and come back to life = double their STRENGH
they almost die and are healed = double their strengh
they fight and lose = double their strengh

Their strength does not DOUBLE, where did you come up with that from? They simply get a power-up as if they were training. DOUBLE? Man, do you even watch the anime/read the manga?

again, with the same training ANYONE could be as strong as any DBZ chars !

Ummm......no. The reason why the Saiya-jins are so powerful is because of their race, they are a STRONG race with the ability to raise their power levels almost infinitely and millions of times higher than the strongest non-ki using human. Because of their ability to heal and get stronger, they are naturally stronger after every battle. That is why the Saiya-jins are so strong.

Now, Piccolo is a different story. Piccolo is a Namek-jin, and all Namek-jins have the power to regenerate as long as there head is intact. Therefore, Piccolo has been killed only twice. He also is so strong because of the training provided by North Kaio-sama, the fusion with Nail, and the fusion with Kame-sama. Therefore, Piccolo received a gigantic power-up and is incredibly strong, the strongest member of his race ever.

Now for the humans. 99% of all humans in DBZ cannot use Ki. However, the few of them who can (Tenshinhan, Yamucha, Kuririn, Chiaotzu) get strong, but nowhere near the Saiya-jin standards. No matter how much they try, they'll never be able to increase their power to that level, because #1 they don't have that much energy to begin with and #2 their bodies wouldn't be able to handle that much energy even if they could.

For example, every being in the universe has a maximum power level, a point where they can't get any stronger. When the Rou Dai Kaioshin allows Gohan to go Mystic, he DID NOT GIVE HIM ANY POWER, but merely awakened the power already inside Gohan. This form then allowed Gohan to use all of his power, and bring him to his max. However, no matter how much he tries, he will never be able to get any stronger than he is in his Mystic form. The Rou Dai Kaioshin merely expediated the process.

Therefore, one could conclude that the Saiya-jins have a higher max power level than humans. Humans, as compared to Saiya-jins, have extremely low maximum capacities.

Therefore, the statement taht "with training, anyone can be that strong" is false

[SSJKarma]

first: vegeta said it himself when he was against zarbon. everytime a saiyen is defeated by someone, he gets back with TWICE STRONGER than he was when he gets beaten ! now i think that means i am right about it !

second: put that in real life, if wqe train toi be able to lift 1 ton then after a whole lots of training, we will be able to do so ! now why is this not possible in the DBZ universe ?
example:
KRILLIN was powered up by GURU in the namek saga !
guru said that he had awakened ALL his hidden power !
now, if i follow your reasoning, he wouldn't be able to use more than that power cause he was already at the max of his own power ! but then, he was a lot stronger than that at the end of DBZ.

third: you cannot put the saiyens as there power is, you said it yourself unlimited, that means they will always win whatever you say against it ! but the mutants have their power and do not get stronger like the saiyens so yes they can be included in the fight as they aren't INVINCIBLE ! ok !

now i know what you're gonna say...
GOKU, VEGETA had already die so they aren't invinsible !
true about that... but still, vegeta got beaten like hell by zarbon and he came back and it was the other way around ! and vegeta never trained ! and zarbon was way higher in power than vegeta ! goku was beaten to death then he healed in that chamber and he got to way higher powerlevel than he was before. he had no training ! by definition i think it is a little overpowered !

[lil_Silverfox]

Just goten the smallest z-warrior would beat all of the x-men

[machine1]

vegeta would whipe out the entire universe :D

[sk8erfox805]

i can tell that everybody likes dbz

[machine1]

dbz is the only cartoon i watch! :D

[lil_Silverfox]

This is my opinion
I would say sayians are the strongest race in the universe.
Sayians are born to fight they are born with the talent.
Fighting is the only thing sayians seems to do right. When
a sayian loses a fight there power increase . Ofcourse
thats just my opinion .I think any fighters from can raise there power level . and i didn't know the guy with the three eyes was from earth.

[Nantuko Joe]

first: vegeta said it himself when he was against zarbon. everytime a saiyen is defeated by someone, he gets back with TWICE STRONGER than he was when he gets beaten ! now i think that means i am right about it !

He only said that in the dub. He never made that statement in the Manga.

So that means you are not right about it

second: put that in real life, if wqe train toi be able to lift 1 ton then after a whole lots of training, we will be able to do so ! now why is this not possible in the DBZ universe ?
example:
KRILLIN was powered up by GURU in the namek saga !
guru said that he had awakened ALL his hidden power !
now, if i follow your reasoning, he wouldn't be able to use more than that power cause he was already at the max of his own power ! but then, he was a lot stronger than that at the end of DBZ.

Once again, the dub. That was never said in the manga. The Saichourou only awakened SOME of Kuririn's inner power, but not all of it. Kind of like when Gohan went SSJ2 against Cell. He awakened SOME of it, but not ALL of it

third: you cannot put the saiyens as there power is, you said it yourself unlimited, that means they will always win whatever you say against it ! but the mutants have their power and do not get stronger like the saiyens so yes they can be included in the fight as they aren't INVINCIBLE ! ok !

I never said that, go back and read my post. I said that they can raise their power levels "ALMOST infinately". When I said, that, I exaggerated a wee bit, but just to drive home my point that the strongest human at his max power could never get even close to the strongest Saiya-jin at his max power.

Therefore, a Saiya-jin WILL NOT ALWAYS WIN WHATEVER I SAY AGAINST IT, and therefore DO NOT HAVE INFINITE POWER AND ARE NOT INVINCIBLE, and therefore CAN be included in this debate.

now i know what you're gonna say...
GOKU, VEGETA had already die so they aren't invinsible !
true about that... but still, vegeta got beaten like hell by zarbon and he came back and it was the other way around ! and vegeta never trained ! and zarbon was way higher in power than vegeta ! goku was beaten to death then he healed in that chamber and he got to way higher powerlevel than he was before. he had no training ! by definition i think it is a little overpowered !

Zaabon: about 23,000
Vegeta: 24,000

Because Vegeta is stronger, he is able to best Zaabon. Then, Zaabon transforms into Zaabon Monster:

Vegeta: 24,000
Zaabon Monster: about 33,000

This way, Zaabon is WAY stronger than vegeta, and beats him easily. Vegeta is NEAR DEATH, HE ALMOST DIED, then gets healed. Because he got so close to death, his power-up was more than usual. Thus, I concluded that:

Zaabon Monster: about 33,000
Vegeta after healing: about 35,000

Thus, Vegeta was able to best Zaabon, and also Vegeta's pl also explains why he was able to stand up against Rikum of the Ginyu Tokusentai

Just goten the smallest z-warrior would beat all of the x-men

Nope. You're giving him too much credit

vegeta would whipe out the entire universe

Nope. You're over-exaggerating

i can tell that everybody likes dbz

all except ajtimbs

This is my opinion
I would say sayians are the strongest race in the universe.

This is true.

Sayians are born to fight they are born with the talent.
Fighting is the only thing sayians seems to do right. When
a sayian loses a fight there power increase .

THis is true

Ofcourse thats just my opinion .I think any fighters from can raise there power level . and i didn't know the guy with the three eyes was from earth.

Yes, all fighters can raise there power levels, but not to the same level as a Saiya-jin.

And yes Tenshinhan is from earth

[SSJKarma]

ok, let me put this into something else...
IF we put out the saiya-jin out of this... who would win ?

you will say that XMEN have all their chances !
why ? because its the saiya-jin who make the series or manga...
why ?
because akira toriyama wanted them to be the STARS of it ! it was just obvious that they would be unstopable !

example:
FREEZA was the strongest fighter alive and no one could even beat him, then GOKU came and beated him ! (SAIYEN)
CELL was the strongest monster they have ever meet, none of them could beat him except guess who, GOHAN (half SAIYEN) i consider only that SAIYEN half as he had gone SUPER and had a power way higher than anyone else. i doubt it was his HUMAN side !

BUU, the strongest monster they had to fought, guess who killed him ? you're right ! THE SO CALL SAIYEN !

now just tell me once where a human beated an EVIL char ?
you won't find as the humans aren't the MAIN characters of the show/manga !

now you said it yourself, he GOT HEALED and became STRONGER because he was ABOUT TO DIE... now, how many times does it happen that way in the show ? now you just prooves what i had said about the saiyen being to over powered in the show !

they could simply FART and the earth would blow up !
now, how many times will i have to say that these things cannot even be compared !

[princevegetam]

So what if the saiyans were the stars of dbz. Do you have f ckin problem with saiyans? And saiyans aren

[Nantuko Joe]

CELL was the strongest monster they have ever meet, none of them could beat him except guess who, GOHAN (half SAIYEN) i consider only that SAIYEN half as he had gone SUPER and had a power way higher than anyone else. i doubt it was his HUMAN side !

First, Cell is part Saiya-jin, as he has Goku and Vegeta's DNA in his body.

And you HAVE to credit Gohan's human side. The human DNA in Gohan, Goten, and Trunks are what allow them to go SSJ at very early ages. It's been proven:

Goku: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Vegeta: 100% Saiya-jin, 0% Human. Went SSJ late in life.
Gohan: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ early in life.
Goten and Trunks: 50% Saiya-jin, 50% Human. Went SSJ earliest in life, they were both conceived AFTER their fathers were able to go SSJ.
Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. : 1/16 Saiya-jin, 15/16 Human. Went SSJ at around the age of four.

So you see, the human side of these characters are what allow them to go SSJ at early age

BUU, the strongest monster they had to fought, guess who killed him ? you're right ! THE SO CALL SAIYEN

No. Yes, it is true that Goku was the one who directly killed Buu, but the thing that killed Buu was the Genki Dama. As you know, the Genki Dama is formed by the energy of all organic life that can be drawn from. Therefore, the defeat of Buu can be credited to all of the HUMANS of earth

they could simply FART and the earth would blow up !
now, how many times will i have to say that these things cannot even be compared !

Karma, you over-exxagerate too much. And you need to calm down and chill out, take a few deep breaths, switch to de-caf, or get a blowjob. Whatever it takes. You're too intense

So what if the saiyans were the stars of dbz. Do you have f ckin problem with saiyans?

Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it

the rest of princevegetam's last post

That is true. The Saiya-jins need to train to raise their power. The mutants of X-Men need to train only to strengthen their physical bodies, and mental powers. However, no matter how much training, Cyclops beam can never get bigger, Wolverine's regeneration can never be faster, and Rogue's super-strength can't get any stronger

[princevegetam]

And you need to calm down and chill out, take a few deep breaths, switch to de-caf, or get a blowjob.

LMAO!!

[Roll]

[So what if the saiyans were the stars of dbz. Do you have f ckin problem with saiyans?

Lol...that's funny. princevegeta, you're acting as if YOU'RE a Saiya-jin and taking offense to it
If you read his profile, then I think you'll know why. He sounds JUST like Vegeta! Silly lil man! *giggles* ^-^

[princevegetam]

oh, that profile, i haven't changed that thing since the day i joined this forum

[SSJKarma]

nantuko: i am calm ! it's just that i hate people saying me i don't know a thing when i do have wathced the story entirely ! i do know all the details of it all and i do watch the show ! but YOU (as in you and vegetam) are always saying i don't know a thing ! at least that how i feel about every one of your post in this stupid thread !

vegetam: brings out the sayiens and guess who could have destroyed all those monsters !

i don't want to do much about everyone in here as what i will say will be rejected by everyone as i think no one has ever understood the principles of DBZ physics !

KRILLIN: is one of the very strong fighter. he is at the level of piccolo ! the only thing that makes him unable to do much, is the FEAR he always have ! he never died from punch kick or anything ! he always dies cause of blast ! tell that he isn't strong !

VIDEL: is very strong for a human ! once shew knew how to channel her KI, she start training more and now has becom way more than every single human !

SATAN: he too has a very strong body, he did survives every single blow this has been given to him !

conclusion: blast kills people, now the punch or anything... TRAINING is the key as you said it yourself !
if SAYIENs can train, why don't the human be able to train too and get that same power ? sayiens are just another race, yess i have no choice but to say that ! then again... THEY TRAINED to be that strong !

my point...
SAiya-jins TRAINS their POWER to be STRONGER
mutants TRAINS their BODY to be STRONGER

there is a big differences between POWER and BODY !
mutants don't have KI as their PRIMARY weapon ! DBZ char does ! that is why you can't compared DBZ and XMEN as they don't use the EXACT same PHYSICS !

it's like comparing JOYCE to SUPERMAN and asking who would win between them both !

[Gotenks13]

Ok, about the human and Saiyan training, their different planetarian races. What do you expect?

A Saiyan can do the exact same amount of training, starting at the exact same power level, age, height and so on. However, because of the structure of Saiyan DNA, Saiyans will just get stronger than humans.

[Nantuko Joe]

nantuko: i am calm ! it's just that i hate people saying me i don't know a thing when i do have wathced the story entirely ! i do know all the details of it all and i do watch the show ! but YOU (as in you and vegetam) are always saying i don't know a thing ! at least that how i feel about every one of your post in this stupid thread !

I'm sorry if you feel that way, but if I see a chance to prove my opponent wrong, I will do so. I've NEVER said "Karma, you don't know $hit about DBZ" at all. What I HAVE implied was that due to the fact that I watch the Japenese anime and have read some of the manga, I know more information on a more official level than you know.

KRILLIN: is one of the very strong fighter. he is at the level of piccolo ! the only thing that makes him unable to do much, is the FEAR he always have ! he never died from punch kick or anything ! he always dies cause of blast ! tell that he isn't strong

Kuririn is NOWHERE NEAR the level of power that Piccolo is at. The last power-up that Kuririn got was by the Saichourou on Namek, and that brought his power up to around 17,500 by my standards. He couldn't do a damn thing to Furiza except cut his tail off, and that was AFTER he almost died.

Now look at Piccolo. After fusing with Nail, he was able to best Furiza Form 2. It was also stated that Furiza Form 2 was about 1,200,000 in power level (I'm going by Tarkan's guesses), and although Furiza was stronger, it was also stated that though Piccolo was weaker, he was faster, more agile, and a lot smarter than his opponent and that is why he was able to show Furiza up. I'd put Piccolo's power level at around 800,000

Now, let's say that they both continue their training normally after the Furiza Saga. Not only would Piccolo still be stronger than Kuririn later on in the saga, but he also re-fused with Kami-sama, giving him a HUGE boost in power. Kuririn got nowhere near that level, because he stopped training after Cell Games

And Kuririn HAS died before because of a non-blast attack. He died in DB at the hands of I think Drum, during a MARTIAL ARTS fight, with no ki manipulation involved. Then, in the Furiza Saga, he almost died at the hands of Furiza when he was stabbed through the chest (still, no ki involved). And the second and final time he DID die, it wasn't from a blast, but Furiza made the ki inside of Kuririn explode. Thus, in a way he self-destructed.

So in conclusion to that, Kuririn is not as strong as Piccolo, and he has never died from a beam.

VIDEL: is very strong for a human ! once shew knew how to channel her KI, she start training more and now has becom way more than every single human !

SATAN: he too has a very strong body, he did survives every single blow this has been given to him !



VIDEL: she can use only one ki ability: Bukujutsu, or the ability to fly. Other than that, she can't channel her ki anymore.

SATAAN: has absolutely NO ki manipulation. The only reason he's the "World Martial Arts Champion" is because he never actually defeated any ki-manipulating fighters, his victories are due to his skill in the martial arts

SAiya-jins TRAINS their POWER to be STRONGER

Saiya-jins train their BODY to become stronger. They cannot increase their strength in ki without strengthening the body, because extensive use of ki is harmful to the body. On earth, Goku was pretty much crippled from his own Kaioken x4 attack, because the Kaioken increases the speed at which the ki harms the body to make the body stronger. In order to become stronger with their ki, they must therefore train their body to become stronger.

mutants don't have KI as their PRIMARY weapon ! DBZ char does

No, mutants PRIMARY weapon is their own mutant powers. However, they don't need to train their body to make their mutant powers get stronger. Cyclops' strongest beam will always be the same size, no matter how much he trains himself. And the physical body doesn't matter against a DBZ character because his strength is not the same.

You see, the relationship between the body and ki is a symbiotic relationship. A person trains their body to increase their ki. In return, the ki allows the body to become even stronger. If the body becomes stronger because of the ki, it allows the person to train even more rigorously to raise the ki even higher, and the cycle continues. If a person has a weak body, then their ki is weak. If their ki is weak, they have a weak body.

On the other hand, we have X-Men. Their mutant powers and bodily strength are not like that. They may train to increase their physical abilities (strength, speed), but their mutant powers are unaffected. And yet if they train their mutant powers, their bodily state is unaffected.

So, in conclusion:

Saiya-jins body and ki feed off each other
Mutants body and powers work independently

[princevegetam]

you guys are stepping into unknown territory here. there is still no research done on how the different powers resulting from mutation is related to KI. it's basically, unknown.

[MasterX05]

now that u guys mention Videl, i have a question Videl VS. Sakura *cough ryu wanna be cough* who would win if Videl is claimed to be a human fighter who can supposly use ki's. and Sakura almost the same.
Oh and roll Plz dont start :biggrin:

[(fighter)]

come on you all no dbz would in if you watch the show look at there powers just supersayin 1 can blow up the earth and theres wtill super sayin 2345 thats lots of power there if you ask me dbz would wip them street fighter wouldnt have a chance :D

[princevegetam]

fool! read before posting! how can dbz characters kill gill from sf when gill is immortal!

[(fighter)]

im no fool what about boo he cant die ethier unless you use the dragonballz

[princevegetam]

buu was destroyed by goku's spirit bomb, he can die.

[(fighter)]

i thought he regenerated like with vegeta o well i guess ill believe you goku is pretty cool did he like desinigrate buu or something to kil him

[Nexusgod]

Now one thing that I always wonder about is how could DBZ characters give in to mind control. Don't you think they'll have the common sense to teleport and blow their controllers head of before it's in full effect.
Um, could Vegeta teleport away from the mind control when Babadi was using his mind control? No. Babadi was able to manipulate Vegeta, and he was a very weak magician. Therefore, mind manipulation is very easy to do against the DBZ characters.


LOL jugggernaut is a big joke. I'll just put broily against this guy. All the Z fighters fought broily and barely stood a chance because nothing was affecting him. If Juggernat comes with an attack to hit broily with broily would just grab his arm and throm him into the wind. I just wanna know 1 tactic that juggernaut would use to get a DBZ character. He's to big to be fast enough to catch them so it's a kick in the butt for him.
Once again, Brolly is not even acceptable in this fight, so this argument is totally off because of it. Don't take this the wrong way though. I didn't make the rules.

I still say DBZ would win because if they piss off Vegeta blah blah blah blah
I noticed that you over-estimate Vegeta's abilities in this fight. He would be manipulated to forgetting a lot of things (Like how to fight) by Onslaught, or he might just kill himself after being manipulated by Pheonix.
Vegeta let babidi control his mind for power remember roll?

[Roll]

[quote:post_uid4="MasterX05"]now that u guys mention Videl, i have a question Videl VS. Sakura *cough ryu wanna be cough* who would win if Videl is claimed to be a human fighter who can supposly use ki's. and Sakura almost the same.
Oh and roll Plz dont start :biggrin:[/quote:post_uid4]
You're the one who started it by actually posting it. Sakura would win because she has had more training, has more strength and abilities in ki, and is able to do way more than kick and punch. (specials, magic series, supers, Dark Sakura, Special Sakura, etc.)



[quote:post_uid4]Vegeta let babidi control his mind for power remember roll? [/quote:post_uid4]
I doubt it, but even if he did let Babaidi control his mind, the fact is that he actually controlled his mind, and he was a very pathetic magician in all areas. If he was able to control Vegeta, (like Nantuko said)then Pheonix could do that without trying.

[Nantuko Joe]

you guys are stepping into unknown territory here. there is still no research done on how the different powers resulting from mutation is related to KI. it's basically, unknown.

I think I just made it known...

now that u guys mention Videl, i have a question Videl VS. Sakura *cough ryu wanna be cough* who would win if Videl is claimed to be a human fighter who can supposly use ki's. and Sakura almost the same.

Sakura would prolly win. The only ki manipulation that Videl is capable of is the Bukujutsu (fly) ability.

come on you all no dbz would in if you watch the show look at there powers just supersayin 1 can blow up the earth and theres wtill super sayin 2345 thats lots of power there if you ask me dbz would wip them street fighter wouldnt have a chance

Dont you ppl hate nOObish ppl making nOObish posts?

Vegeta let babidi control his mind for power remember roll?

He didn't let him CONTROL HIS MIND. He let Babidi increase his rage and evil in his heart so he could get more power. At no point in time was Vegeta controlled by Babidi

Phoenix may be able to control him easily, but Babidi was NEVER able to control Vegeta

[princevegetam]

all the talks about mutant powers' relations with KI are theoretical

[chun_ai]

Hey peoples.
I think for now, Chun-Li won!
*Does dance*
:buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
oK, parties ova.
Well, chow then! :D

[Nantuko Joe]

all the talks about mutant powers' relations with KI are theoretical
True. However, my theory makes a lot of sense