Pit bulls killed!? - Put to death!

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541:post_uid10]Putting pitt bulls on death row! (http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2005/07/21/build/nation/45-pit-bull-ban.inc)



A new law that prohibits the ownership of pit bulls is now installed upon Denver. Any pit bull already living in Denver is captured and put on death row. "Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed an average of more than three a day." They don't care if it's not a pure breed. "Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter."

People have to illegally hide their dogs or try to get them out of Denver, creating

[Dark_Paladin_X]

dam. Pit bulls are really getting the smackdown on. In Canada, we have a law where ALL pitbulls must wear a muscle outdoors in atempts to rduce the pitbull attacks we've had in the last 2 yrs (i think)

it's like they're getting picked on.

[machine1]

I used to own a pitbull. i have to say it was a little aggressive and mean....even to me. but i love my pitbull. and its wrong that they have to do such a thing. a dog is a dog......if it dont got rabbies or nothin,it dont derserve to die. And people shouldnt lose their right to own the dog that they want.
And yeah, not all pitbulls are mean...if it seriously has a habbit of attacking, then maybe you should train it.....but then again, people do train their pitbull to attack.But it dont matter, a dog is a dog...let it live.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

yes pitt bulls! im scared of them . they did the right thing! J/K but, im, not afriad of pit bulls, only thing ill do is gett an bat and know that Mofo into the next century

[Virtual Fighter]

GOOD. Those fliping dogs are killers.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

GOOD. Those fliping dogs are killers.
ill buy yu 1 for yah birthday !, yay1

[loadingbar]

[quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"][color=#000000]Putting pitt bulls on death row! (http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2005/07/21/build/nation/45-pit-bull-ban.inc)



A new law that prohibits the ownership of pit bulls is now installed upon Denver. Any pit bull already living in Denver is captured and put on death row. "Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed an average of more than three a day." They don't care if it's not a pure breed. "Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter."

People have to illegally hide their dogs or try to get them out of Denver, creating

[gieandfer]

ill free the dogs so we can run away to a happy place so we'll never be bothered again.

but seriously they are just animals. they are like a baby

[loadingbar]

i agree, it's not like they know why theyre being put to sleep or being taken away from their "families"

[gieandfer]

denvers a crappy city already. why make it crappier?

the answer: they try to get more tourists. i swear those government people should be burned on a stake

[loadingbar]

yeah :buttrock: :baaa:

[Rage_Unleashed]

hey loading way to go... please dont spam... but about the dogs it is cruel but they must have had enough complaints that the local government had to take action... just dont get a pitbull those things are crazy...

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]Rage, I disagree. Those dogs aren't crazy, it's the people who get them and raise them to be like that. I have a friend who owns a girl pit bull. Her name is "Cookies" and she is the kindest dog in the world. She doesn't even bark and has been that way since they got her. The owner is a really calm guy who doesn't play fight with it or hit it. Most owners make the mistake of play fighting with their dogs and training them to attack. That is why they go coo-coo. They are strong dogs, so a lot of people train them to do stupid things and the dogs end up taking the wrap!

And it

[gieandfer]

Most owners make the mistake of play fighting with their dogs and training them to attack. That is why they go coo-coo.
so not true. i play fight with my dog and it doesnt attack. it may bark at lots of people on walks but its friendly barking not that mean barking.

and yea i heard that what they are goin for is if ur over 350 pounds then u cant eat at mcdonalds. if fat people wanna eat at mcdonalds then let them eat. they are tryin to take away freedom

[marvel911]

Those are some ugly-ass dogs.

[Windarossa]

It's like dogy racism!! Kill a dog because of how it looks!! They don't even care about it's behavior! :angry:

And not letting a 350 pound person eat McDonalds... thats just cruel. The guy is going to die anyway, so why not let him enjoy something in his life. :D

[Rage_Unleashed]

okay how about this windarossa we can agree to disagree... but i understand your point... it is cruel to just kill dogs just because of what other dogs in their breed did
but i guess it would be allright if one dog was put to sleep if it attacked a human.

[Windarossa]

okay how about this windarossa we can agree to disagree... but i understand your point... it is cruel to just kill dogs just because of what other dogs in their breed did
but i guess it would be allright if one dog was put to sleep if it attacked a human.
I agree... to disagree... LOLZ :D


Gieandfer: I'm not saying play fighting with your dog is going to make it a killer. I'm just saying if you constantly allow your dog to jump on you and be aggressive towards you, than if it's mad at you, it wont be afraid to do that to you and be more serious. It's like, in it's head, it knows it's allowed to jump on people and be aggressive. Also, just like people, dogs some times don't know their own strenght. A dog may bite or hurt a person not realizing that they are hurting them.



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[loadingbar]

i kinda have to agree with rage, if a dog attacks a person, but just taking every pitbull isnt right.



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[Virtual Fighter]

It's like dogy racism!! Kill a dog because of how it looks!! They don't even care about it's behavior! :angry:

And not letting a 350 pound person eat McDonalds... thats just cruel. The guy is going to die anyway, so why not let him enjoy something in his life. :D
Pitbulls are the most violent dog known to man. Just a few days ago I heard a story of a family's pitbull killing their kid, a 7 year old.

Pitbulls are killers.

Other than that, what have they done to benefit society?

[Angel-Eyes]

Other than that, what have they done to benefit society?
wag their tails

[gieandfer]

why they attack is because their owners make them think they can attack. if they play tug of war or something with it and lose, then the dog thinks its stronger therefore thinking it owns them

[Windarossa]

As I said before, pit bulls are not the only breed attacking people. The only reason these stories are more common with pit bulls, is because they are a very popular breed, thats why it seems like every pit bull is agressive. It's the same with people... a lot of people kill and do horrible things, but does that mean we should all die because of them?

[gieandfer]

a lot of people kill and do horrible things, but does that mean we should all die because of them?

we have common sense. dogs dont

[Virtual Fighter]

Pitbulls don't have tails, people cut them off.

[gieandfer]

arent pit bulls fat? it surprises me how fast they can still run

[marvel911]

arent pit bulls fat? it surprises me how fast they can still run
Not fat, they're beefy. Pitbulls are a few pounds of muscle covered in fur, that's why they make great protection.

[raddaman0628]

It's like dogy racism!! Kill a dog because of how it looks!! They don't even care about it's behavior! :angry:

And not letting a 350 pound person eat McDonalds... thats just cruel. The guy is going to die anyway, so why not let him enjoy something in his life. :D
Pitbulls are the most violent dog known to man. Just a few days ago I heard a story of a family's pitbull killing their kid, a 7 year old.

Pitbulls are killers.

Other than that, what have they done to benefit society?
its a battle of wits and I'm unarmed but, did u actually see sometihng? Do u have proof? Oh and for ur second question maybe u'll find something here..... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm

[Rage_Unleashed]

hey have we forgotten rotweilers... now those things are crazy
as for a story my oil painting teachers friend had this rotweiler... and he was like 6ft standing on his hind legs... and when these two dogs jumped over the fence into the rotweilers yard the rotweiler went all raging demon on them... he ripped the skin of the skull of one dog.... the other dog had deep gashes all over his body...



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[Windarossa]

It's like dogy racism!! Kill a dog because of how it looks!! They don't even care about it's behavior! :angry:

And not letting a 350 pound person eat McDonalds... thats just cruel. The guy is going to die anyway, so why not let him enjoy something in his life. :D
Pitbulls are the most violent dog known to man. Just a few days ago I heard a story of a family's pitbull killing their kid, a 7 year old.

Pitbulls are killers.

Other than that, what have they done to benefit society?
its a battle of wits and I'm unarmed but, did u actually see sometihng? Do u have proof? Oh and for ur second question maybe u'll find something here..... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm
[color=#810541]"One of the top rated Search and Rescue dogs is Dakota, an American Pit Bull Terrier. Dakota is owned by Kris Crawford, who has 2 other pit bulls that are certified SAR dogs! Dakota is so good at what she does, NASA hand picked Kris and Dakota to assist in the recovery of the Astronauts after last winters tragic crash. They are also certified Hospital Therapy dogs. These dogs bring happy reunions and sometimes closure to many families. If you were to tell these families how evil and bad these dogs are I

[loadingbar]

hey have we forgotten rotweilers... now those things are crazy
as for a story my oil painting teachers friend had this rotweiler... and he was like 6ft standing on his hind legs... and when these two dogs jumped over the fence into the rotweilers yard the rotweiler went all raging demon on them... he ripped the skin of the skull of one dog.... the other dog had deep gashes all over his body...
wow, thats pretty much sucks for the other dog... geez, he should consider getting a taller fence. but pitbulls are still pretty bad. i dont know if i've ever heard of a pitbull doing that though...



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[raddaman0628]

lol I have a rottweiler . It's brown and dare I say I'm a lil afraid because he is kind of big. when he comes he just comes to smell me or lick me lol. he used to jump and lick people lol but he doesn't now so I don't really have a reason to be afraid. i'm not afraid with him in the night cause he does feel bad towards strangers (we do lock the place up thought and he doesn't try digging holes.

We had a fight over him with my neighbor though, that on the same night her stupid dog killed my favorite duck (we invited her and her stupid dog followed and bite the poop out of him) her dog popped out dead. she didn't hear anything or saw anything but insisted it was our dog. same when her other stupid dog came inside on the morning when we let our dog outside for his buissness. she threated to sue but the witch never did.



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[Windarossa]

Are you serious Loadingbar? Have you even looked at the site Raddaman posted or do you just skip posts... jeeze people. All of you say they are soo bad and how you heard stories of a friends accident but none of you have any hard proof that they are as bad as you claim them to be. ???



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[loadingbar]

Are you serious Loadingbar? Have you even looked at the site Raddaman posted or do you just skip posts... jeeze people. All of you say they are soo bad and how you heard stories of a friends accident but none of you have any hard proof that they are as bad as you claim them to be. ???
i probably missed it ill go back and look

edit: wow, those are pretty amazing, i missed that post, there are alot of "heroic" pitbulls.



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[Virtual Fighter]

Want hard proof?

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2005/06/23/mn_pit_bull_attack1.jpg

Pit bull attacks girl in her Santa Rosa yard
Third mauling in Bay Area in a month amid calls to crack down on the breed

Jim Doyle, Leslie Fulbright, Chronicle Staff Writers

Thursday, June 23, 2005

A pit bull that escaped from a Santa Rosa home mauled an 8-year-old girl who had been playing next door in her yard on Wednesday, deeply gashing her face, and then turned on the girl's mother when she rushed to help.


Pit bulls suck at life.

[loadingbar]

man... did you really need to post the picture too? hearing about it is enough

and your right, thats hard proof



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[Windarossa]

"Punish the deed, NOT the breed" Thats all I have to say to that.

[raddaman0628]

aww rad never get it right ='(. but don't u think its still unfair to kill one type of dog because they think it is evil? What about those kids who have a pitbull that never did anything killed for no apperant reason? what about all the ones that haven't done anything....I mean sure they should be put to rest if they like are very aggresive or actually killed someone. But killing something because of stereotypes is dumb to me.

[Windarossa]

"THE BREED FACTOR
Many communities and cities believe that the solution to prevent severe and fatal dog attacks is to label, restrict or ban certain breeds of dogs as potentially dangerous. If the breed of dog was the primary or sole determining factor in a fatal dog attack, it would necessarily stand to reason that since there are literally millions of Rottweilers, Pit Bulls and German Shepherd Dogs in the United States, there would have to be countless more than an approximate 20 human fatalities per year.

Since only an infinitesimal number of any breed is implicated in a human fatality, it is not only unreasonable to characterize this as a specific breed behavior by which judge an entire population of dogs, it also does little to prevent fatal or severe dog attacks as the real causes and events that contribute to a fatal attack are masked by the issue of breed and not seriously addressed. "------ this is from An Investigative Study into the Circumstances Surrounding Dog-Bite Related Human Fatalities from 1965 through the Present.

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

Here they are, the statistics and the fact which prove that one single breed is not responsible for all fatal dog attacks. Read 'em and weep little pups.

[Virtual Fighter]

"Pit bulls and pit-bull crosses (not always easy to distinguish) have caused more than a third of the nation's dog-bite fatalities since 1979 and a comparable proportion of serious injuries. The rising number of attacks, and the unease pit bulls and other dangerous dogs cause in public spaces, have spurred many municipalities to crack down with legislation ranging from muzzle laws to bans on pit bulls and certain other breeds."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

My site has everything your site doesn't, the truth.

[loadingbar]

i think i saw on animal planet that pitbulls use to be trained fighters and their instinct hasnt quite fizzled out yet

[Windarossa]

"Pit bulls and pit-bull crosses (not always easy to distinguish) have caused more than a third of the nation's dog-bite fatalities since 1979 and a comparable proportion of serious injuries. The rising number of attacks, and the unease pit bulls and other dangerous dogs cause in public spaces, have spurred many municipalities to crack down with legislation ranging from muzzle laws to bans on pit bulls and certain other breeds."

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

My site has everything your site doesn't, the truth.
"pit bulls and other dangerous dogs"--- Really, is that so? Well, why is it that only pit bulls are taking the heat. It doesn't even focus on any other breeds, it just goes straight for pit bulls. And thats how you know your so called truth is one sided.

AND I love this part "not always easy to distinguish"... HAHAHA... so what does this mean. A different breed may have attacked a person but since they really couldn't say, they just said pit bull... thats funny right their.

[whitetigerclaw3]

[color=#00FF00:post_uid3]Omg....pitbulls...in denver...omg..thas MESSED Up..i have 3 pitbullz and if we evr go to denver ima smack any1 who tries to kill or "Put To Death Row" my pitbulls...their not that scary really....all you needa do is one o the following to keep em under control:

1. The obious have a leash on it.

2. If itz in the street (wild dog) kick it lmao...

3. At least call the pound and POUND it u don gotsa kill it omg...

There are many alternativez that killin a Pitbull...thatz Messed Up......If their afraid then that their problem call the POUND!![/color:post_uid3]

[SolidSnake76]

pitbulls are naturally deadly animals. your a fool to have them as a pet. and i really hate rockwiellers and pitbulls, i dont blame denver for having this law. its a pretty decent one.

[Virtual Fighter]

Uhh, because if you have an ounce of a brain you would know pitbulls can snap instantly, kill anyone that moves, and they're 1/3 of the world's maulings.

They're the ones that are starting all the poop. If you can save 1/3 of the people who get mauled by dogs from getting mauled, wouldn't you?

Unless you're some cold hearted nazi.

[loadingbar]

the law is the problem, they should change it where they bann pitbulls not kill them, they should just move them to another area like i said before

[Virtual Fighter]

And you people are hypocrites. You're crying when the pound is killing killers but you're okay when abbandoned dogs get euthenasia, right?

-_-

[whitetigerclaw3]

Uhh, because if you have an ounce of a brain you would know pitbulls can snap instantly, kill anyone that moves, and they're 1/3 of the world's maulings.

They're the ones that are starting all the poop. If you can save 1/3 of the people who get mauled by dogs from getting mauled, wouldn't you?

Unless you're some cold hearted nazi.
Yeah u got a point there but still....why kill them???...why don't you just put em all in a certain place like whatz his name said...and BTW...wazzup VF long time no see...

[Windarossa]

Anyway...

I think that as a law, people have the right to own a pit bull. Just like people have the right to be racists (as Virtual said in the topic "Racism"). This is a free country and if a person that comitts racist crimes and acts can walk on the streets spreading hate, than so can all the pit bulls. Much more people died and die because of racism than their are people dying from pit bull atacks. People have the right to own pit bulls as do they have the right to free speach. BOOOYAKA!

"What is this, nazi germany or flipING AMERICA!"



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[whitetigerclaw3]

Anyway...

I think that as a law, people have the right to own a pit bull. Just like people have the right to be racists (as Virtual said in the topic "Racism"). This is a free country and if a person that comitts racist crimes and acts can walk on the streets spreading hate, than so can all the pit bulls. People have the right to own pit bulls as do they have the right to free speach. BOOOYAKA!
well..yeah..but still i think they are kinda dangerous..but in my opinion i don really care if their roamin round the streets..itz just if the law sayz kill em thaz CRAZY i mean put im on an island at least.....and...umm....BOOYAKA!!??...lmao...i think ur the only 1 i know who does that lmao...

[Virtual Fighter]

I think that as a law, people have the right to own a pit bull. Just like people have the right to be racists (as Virtual said in the topic "Racism"). This is a free country and if a person that comitts racist crimes and acts can walk on the streets spreading hate, than so can all the pit bulls. Much more people died and die because of racism than their are people dying from pit bull atacks. People have the right to own pit bulls as do they have the right to free speach. BOOOYAKA!

Booyaka? That's retarded. The word and your argument. Racism is an ideology, Pitt Bulls are a bread of animal that are known to kill.

Where in the constetution does it say Pitt Bulls have a right to kill? Owning a Pitt Bulls is as dangerous as owning a gun, and just as retarded.

Why would you own something that is killing other people?

And plus, you're still a hypocrite for not carring about the dog-euthenasia at the pound but carring OH SO MUCH about the killing of dogs who are killers.

"What is this, nazi germany or flipING AMERICA!"

Yeah, the place where we care about our citizens enough not to have them subject to DEATH BY MAULING.



Oh, and another thing, don't flatter yourself. You're not that smart, and "not that smart" is an overshot.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]wow... took you forever to come up with that one. :D

I don't need to flatter myself, unlike some.

And btw, saying nazi in every other post is retarded LOL


Anyway...

Whitetiger, lol put 'em on an island... hahaha
What Island you think we should put 'em on lolz.

But seriously though, it

[Windarossa]

BOOYAKASHAOOBOYAASSKSAHASASKKASSHSHSHSHSHAHSAcAKAO OYOOYOBBBBBOOOOBBBBBAAAAYYYYAASSSHSHHAAA

AckKKKAAAAAUUUUSSSSUUckKAATTTDEEEBBBATTTINNGG!!!1!
Stop spamming in my topic Please. Thank You.

[Virtual Fighter]

Then stop disregarding my post. It's annoying that I actually think about what i'm writing to see you say "BOOYACKASHASHSAS!!!"

C'mon. Debate me. You know you wanna.

[blanka09]

How about you both just stop getting on each others throats for once. Must every topic you both post in be filled with nothing but animousity ?? Isn't the forum big enough for both of you to at least "ignore" one another so that we won't have to come here to post some crappy well worded "children please behave message" ??

It's freaking 1:57 AM here and I don't think I have time to start reading how this started or why it even started. All I want is that whatever it is... should just stop and let's get back on track with what the topic is supposed to be :biggrin:

[SolidSnake76]

[color=#000000][quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"]But seriously though, it

[Virtual Fighter]

I've got a better analogy. They're like the kids who shoot up the schools.

You don't talk to them, you try to be nice to them, and BAM THEY SNAP AND KILL EVERYONE!

[Windarossa]

those things are like animal sentinels, except they attack anything in sight.
OMG!! HAHAHAHAHAH!! That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!! omg

[Zpower]

Actually Pit Bulls are very dangerous animals to own as pets. Basically they are really over aggressive making them more prone to attack being people or other animals. Secondly these dogs are very athletic and strong especially in the muzzle area. Now these traits would be somewhat ideal for a dog owner, yet these Pit Bulls share a common killer trait which is their extremely high aggression normally found in wild animals. Does this really call for a state wide ban on the Half Bull Dog and Half Terrier killer? I think that is the right decision. Since it would be only a matter of time before another one attacked or killed another person. Why take the risk?

[Windarossa]

[quote:post_uid4="Zpower"][color=#000000:post_uid4]Actually Pit Bulls are very dangerous animals to own as pets. Basically they are really over aggressive making them more prone to attack being people or other animals. Secondly these dogs are very athletic and strong especially in the muzzle area. Now these traits would be somewhat ideal for a dog owner, yet these Pit Bulls share a common killer trait which is their extremely high aggression normally found in wild animals. Does this really call for a state wide ban on the Half Bull Dog and Half Terrier killer? I think that is the right decision. Since it would be only a matter of time before another one attacked or killed another person. Why take the risk?[/color:post_uid4][/quote:post_uid4]
[color=#810541:post_uid4]Understandable. But what about the pit bulls that saved peoples lives and stuff. Don't they get some sort of credit for being good dogs?[/color:post_uid4]

[whitetigerclaw3]

true, some have saved lives and if their owner brings them to Denver Or something...and they get lost somehow...**Clam** their dead.....THT SUX...anyway i understand y u guyz think they SHOULD be killed though but i'd rather throw em on an island like i said.......sooo yeah.....umm....booyakasha.....lol......lmao...onl y person in da world who doez that lmao...

[Windarossa]

.......sooo yeah.....umm....booyakasha.....lol......lmao...onl y person in da world who doez that lmao...
lolz... believe it or not, but I'm not the only one who says that :D

[Virtual Fighter]

Understandable. But what about the pit bulls that saved peoples lives and stuff. Don't they get some sort of credit for being good dogs?
I've never heard of a pitbull saving a life. IF i'm wrong, provide some links and evidense to prove yourself right.

[Windarossa]

Understandable. But what about the pit bulls that saved peoples lives and stuff. Don't they get some sort of credit for being good dogs?
I've never heard of a pitbull saving a life. IF i'm wrong, provide some links and evidense to prove yourself right.
OMG... are you kidding me? :eh: Honey, someone already posted a link... a long time ago... open your eyes. Raddaman posted the link and I quoted some of the stories. Look for it on page 3. What kind of a debator are you if you skip posts... :D



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[machine1]

im not sure of saving lives but pitbulls can help you in a time of need.... lets say you get jumped, your pitbull will run and attack who's harming you. When i had my pitbull, it helped me out in a time of need.

I must agree, pitbulls are dangerous. I would never own a pitbull again. I am now afraid of them. When i had my pitbull, it was the best thing when it was a baby. But when it grew up, it changed. It started being aggressive and acted violent to me for no reason. It would try to attack me alot for no dam reason. It once bit my hand and i bled pretty bad. Ever since I owned that pitbull, i've had somewhat of a fear of all big dogs.

But at the same time, i can't bare to see them get killed. For the fact that i used to own a pitbull, makes me feel bad for them. They deserve to live.... people just have to train them, watch them, and dont let them loose. if you wanna kill pitbulls, u might as well kill rotweilers too cause rotweilers can really do some damage on a person.

[Windarossa]

It's like dogy racism!! Kill a dog because of how it looks!! They don't even care about it's behavior! :angry:

And not letting a 350 pound person eat McDonalds... thats just cruel. The guy is going to die anyway, so why not let him enjoy something in his life. :D
Pitbulls are the most violent dog known to man. Just a few days ago I heard a story of a family's pitbull killing their kid, a 7 year old.

Pitbulls are killers.

Other than that, what have they done to benefit society?
its a battle of wits and I'm unarmed but, did u actually see sometihng? Do u have proof? Oh and for ur second question maybe u'll find something here..... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/HeroicPitties/HeroicPitties.htm
WTF is wrong with you people... your not sure if they save lives?... why do you post in a topic if you haven't read all the posts?

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#000000][i]
[b]Safety and legal issues
Of the 199 dog-attack fatalities in the USA between 1979 and 1996, dogs identified as pit bulls were responsible for 60 attacks

[Windarossa]

Thats because parents don't watch their stupid kids. The kids end up walking all over the place pulling dogs ears and tails and sh!t.

From your articls...

"They have a friendly temperament and are noted for their attachment to their masters as well as for their courage. "



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[Windarossa]

[color=#810541][quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"][i]
[b]Safety and legal issues
Of the 199 dog-attack fatalities in the USA between 1979 and 1996, dogs identified as pit bulls were responsible for 60 attacks

[marvel911]

I find it ironic that while you've been arguing that "it's not right" more of these dogs are already dead because of it.

[Windarossa]

I find it ironic that while you've been arguing that "it's not right" more of these dogs are already dead because of it.
The whole point is that they should stop doing it marve|. People are so fast to say that pit bulls are killers but they dont want to open their eyes to the positive side of the breed... :whatsthat:

" Although negative information about pit bulls is widespread, there are also many positive stories. Some work in hospitals and care facilities as therapy dogs, and some have saved people's lives."

[Virtual Fighter]

VF, your article is prooving me right... lol... i love this


Uhh, no. You're highlighting the "both sides" of the argument, while most of the wikipedia articles are all about how dangerous they are.

Even your own "LOOK WUD I FUND!" arguments don't stack up. Look:

"Like all dog breeds, some members may display aggression toward other animals, but should be completely friendly and loving toward people. In fact, a Pit Bull with a proper temperament makes a poor guard dog and should, with a wagging tail and bulldog grin, let strangers walk right onto its property.

See? They won't even protect your family. They're kill your kid buy let a stranger prance in.

Pit bulls can make very good pets, but great care must be taken should one choose to care for one. They are not recommended as a first dog for a new owner, and like many breeds they require training and socialization to become well adjusted adult canines"

See? It's not for first timers, it's not for children, it's not for famiyl pets. If you don't train them well, they'll bite your face off and eat your kids.

LOL as i said before... some dog attacks people and since they aren't sure, they just say Pit bull...

"It is important to note that many breeds look similar to the pit bull breeds to inexperienced eyes, and therefore can be confused for them."

Oh and I love love love how you didn't add this to your quote

"... These statistics are tainted by the fact that the breed recorded as responsible for the attack is obtained from the report of the person attacked, and many people incorrectly identify other kinds of dogs"

So, what are you saying? I really don't get what you mean by this. Maybe 10 people "misidentified" dog attacks as pitbull attacks? Who cares. Even if it was 15 misleading attacks, pittbulls would still be the #1 attackers in dogs. They make up for 1/3 of all the attacks.

In the last 35 days, look at all the attacks pittbulls have done:

RECENT FATAL ATTACKS BY PIT BULLS

An 82-year-old Spotsylvania, Virginia woman was mauled to death by her neighbor's three loose pit bulls.

A two-year-old Huntington, West Virginia girl was buried yesterday, killed in a mauling by a neighbor's pit bull that was supposed to have been quarantined eight days earlier. The animal's owner shares responsibility with the child's mother, who had been instructed not to let the young girl into the house (they had been visiting, on the porch). The owner said he orginally bought the dog to protect his wife while he lived in Texas and was sometimes away, serving in the military. I think he should have bought her a gun instead.

A St. Charles County, Missouri man who owned two pit bull mixes was killed in his home by one or both of them, due to crushing injuries to his neck from dog bites. Neighbors said he loved his dogs and had talked about how well-behaved they were.

ATTACKS BY PIT BULLS OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS

In another St. Charles County, Missouri incident, a man and his 13-year-old stepson were attacked viciously by a relative's pit bull in their home.

In Charlotte, North Carolina an eight-year-old girl waiting in a family friend's house to get her hair braided was attacked by a resident pit bull, and suffered an armpit puncture wound, a missing chunk from a calf, and a blood clot threatening a main leg artery.

A 23-month-old Portland, Oregon boy was in critical condition after being attacked by tethered pit bull owned by his family, in his own back yard, with an adult present.

In Albuquerque, a two-year-old girl was mauled by her family's three pit bulls, and was in critical condition with multiple bites and massive upper torso trauma.

A six-year-old Florida girl underwent surgery to have her left eyelid re-attached after it was bitten off by the pit bull of a family friend on a Mother's Day outing. She had approached the dog carefully, to pet it, when it snapped. The dog's distraught owner said it had never shown aggressive behavior before, and would be destroyed.

A Tennesee grandmother was shocked after her previously well-behaved pit bull mauled two of her grandchildren.

ASSORTED OTHER ATTACKS

A two-year-old San Marcos, California girl suffered puncture wounds to her head and forehead in a pit bull attack after the dog came out of a house her parents had come to in order to test drive a used car for sale.

In Toledo, Ohio, a loose pit bull bit off part of the lip of a 10-year-old boy who had been walking down an alley.

A 10-year old boy with cerebral palsy, from Old Bridge, New Jersey suffered bites on the head, arm, underarm, and hand from a neighbor's pit bull, and subsequent emotional trauma. The owner said the dog had never caused problems before. The pit bull was driven off by the child's older brother, with a plastic toy sword.

A Jacksonville, Florida man's nose was bitten off by a pit bull.

A 79-year-old Grand Mound, Washington woman was hospitalized after being attacked, unprovoked, while walking on a city street, and bitten by a pit bull and a pit bull-Rottweiler mix.

A 79-year-old Winfield, Kansas woman was hospitalized with a severe dog bite after attempting to feed a pit bull that had been chained and left without water or food. Yes, she probably just should have called animal control. But the dog's treatment speaks to an ongoing problem: there is a sizeable sub-group of pit bull owners - callous and irresponsible - who either like their pits hungry, mean and mad, or who tire of caring for them.

Two Indianapolis pit bulls were impounded after attacking an air conditioning repairman in a neighbor's yard.

A pregnant woman in Houston, Texas, and her dog were attacked by pit bull that had broken free of its chains. A neighbor chased it off with a baseball bat, another neighbor says he had regularly used a golf club to scare away aggressive pit bulls.

A 74-year-old Beaverton, Oregon man got bites on his hands and arms when he walked out of his house and a pit bull leaped out from behind some shrubs to attack him.

A pair of loose pit bulls in New Orleans bit four people before being caught.

A three-year-old Chicago girl had to have an ear re-attached after a pit bull attack.

There were "deep, significant injuries to leg and groin area" for a four-year-old in Danville, Virginia attacked by a pit bull.

In Columbus, Ohio, a seven-month-old baby was hospitalized after being attacked by a pit bull in a house.

A 12-year-old Toldeo boy required 80 stitches after being bitten by the pit bull of a 15-year-old, who, angered at being teased by the younger boy and some friends, sicced his dog on them.[/b]

PIT BULLS AND POLICE

It is popular now for pit bull owners to sometimes claim excessive force or over-reaction when police feel forced to shoot attacking pit bulls. This is disingenuous. It is incumbent upon owners, to begin with, to ensure that their pit bulls do not escape, violently charge, or otherwise exhibit aggressive behavior toward police or other individuals.

In Melbourne, Florida, a stray pit bull with no tags jumped inside a police car and attacked a police dog. A stun gun failed to subdue the pit bull, who was then shot dead by police.

In Warren, Ohio, a home alarm went off; police and a police dog came; and a neighbor's three pit bulls came out to investigate. The neighbor's pit bulls attacked the police officer and police dog, with one of the neighbor's pit bulls locking its jaws onto the police dog. That attacking pit bull and another of the neighbor's pit bulls were killed by police in response.

In Lancaster County, Nebraska, a deputy responding to a domestic call was attacked by a pit bull that exited a nearby vehicle. The pit bull latched onto the deputy's shooting arm; the deputy passed out and was hospitalized with puncture wounds.

Rampaging pit bulls were shot by police in Danville, Virginia.

In Petersberg, Virginia, a loose pit bull roaming a city block chased people, bit a man twice, trapped another, bit off a broom handle proffered in defense, then attacked a police officer and was killed.

A sherrif's deputy in Savannah, Georgia serving a subpeona was charged by a pit bull, and killed it.

Police officers in Tacoma, Washington responding to a call were met by a charging pit bull, which one of them shot dead.

SOME RECENT PIT BULL ATTACKS ON ANIMALS

In Auberry, California two loose [b]pit bulls killed nine sheep.

In Toldeo, two pit bulls were impounded after killing a Yorkshire terrier and a cat, and attacking a repairman.

A pit bull leaped from a parked car in a San Francisco transit station parking lot, into another car, to attack a service dog in-training, causing severe injuries to the service dog's face.

A Texas woman's Shih Tzu-Chihuahua mix was killed by a neighbor's pit bull.

A miniature horse in a barn near Eugene, Oregon was attacked and seriously injured by two stray pit bulls, before they were driven off with a rake.

SOME RECENT RESCUES

A Bayview, New Jersey teen was hailed as a hero, after saving three younger kids from a pit bull attack, although one child had a toe bitten off.

An 11-year-old Bartlesville, Oklahoma boy turned himself into human shield to protect his two younger siblings from a pit bull attack. He required surgery to re-attach muscles to his calf.
http://www.rosenblog.com/2005....ns.html (http://www.rosenblog.com/2005/05/24/pit_bull_attacks_raise_questions.html)


BUT NOOOOOOOOO. Pit bulls are good, nice dogs, aren't they! Look at all the harm and distruction they've caused. NO OTHER DOG HAS DONE SO MUCH TO SO MANY. PITTBULLS ARE DANGEROUS.


They're not called "bulls" for nothing.



Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1122148786

[Windarossa]

:stupid:

So, how is every body? I'm good... chillin'

Did I ever tell you guys that Restavega has a pit bull. She is such a nice dog. Love her! She is mad smart too. When Restavega's cat got hit by a car right outside his house. She whent crazy barking up the whole neighbor hood. She was howling like no tomorrow. Rest and his mom ran out and saw theirs poor kitty lying on the ground bleeding. But the story ended up good. They rusehd to a vet and saved the kitty. His pit bull is a hero... and a good babysitter.

She and the cat are good friends they play together and everything. The cat jumps on her and she just licks and pets the cat. I understand that that some pit bulls are killers but after i've seen with my own eyes how sweet that dog is... I don't understand the law about killing EVERY pit bull. :down:

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

Ma, Vf, yure a show off!!!!

stop hoging all the glory, and let some other ppl get a try at it.

[gieandfer]

i hate freakin road killers. DOGS SAVE LIVES

now think about it. lets pretend animals had the smae mind and personality as humans do. if they were to hold a meeting and decide to kill all white, black, hispanic, or asians cause they think they are ugly and mean, would u like it? to be killed fo rno apparent reason? and u dont even get to fight back?

[Windarossa]

i hate freakin road killers. DOGS SAVE LIVES

now think about it. lets pretend animals had the smae mind and personality as humans do. if they were to hold a meeting and decide to kill all white, black, hispanic, or asians cause they think they are ugly and mean, would u like it? to be killed fo rno apparent reason? and u dont even get to fight back?
omg so true... Imagine the government saying... Lets kill all the races that have violence in them... Boy O Boy... Thats just flippin gay!

We would all be dead!



Edited By Windarossa on 1122151639

[Restavega]

Sometimes my cat will eat out of my dog's bowl and then my pit will eat out of her bowl. They even eat out of the same bowl at time. :laugh:

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

yu got a point there


hmm ill buy some and smugle them i denver, i won' tget that far , but it worths a try...



Edited By MEGA_DRACOS_XRL on 1122152801

[Windarossa]

yu got a point there


hmm ill buy some and smugle them i deer, i won' get tha , ut it worth a ry...
A watta watta!?

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

yu got a point there


hmm ill buy some and smugle them i denver, i won' tget that far , but it worths a try...
o, excuse me there, but i hadee just up dated my post when yu qouted me Widorossa. a thousand apologies, mam

[Windarossa]

Lol its alrighty... Call me Wind or Winda

[gieandfer]

Sometimes my cat will eat out of my dog'scA title="Best bowl" style="COLOR: #65b45c; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://216.130.188.200/cgi-bin/ezlclk.fcgi?id=10327" target=_blank> bowl c/A>and then my pit will eat out of her bowl. They even eat out of the same bowl at time. :laugh:
wind:but that means tehyd have to kill themselves too :laugh:

rest:yea my cat does that too. my dog never eats its own dog food.

dracos:im with u, but try not to smuggle them. we can go to the government and protest

[Windarossa]

[quote:post_uid2="gieandfer"][color=#000000:post_uid2][quote:post_uid2="Restavega"]Sometimes my cat will eat out of my dog'scA title="Best bowl" style="COLOR: #65b45c; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" href="http://216.130.188.200/cgi-bin/ezlclk.fcgi?id=10327" target=_blank> bowl c/A>and then my pit will eat out of her bowl. They even eat out of the same bowl at time. :laugh:[/quote:post_uid2]
wind:but that means tehyd have to kill themselves too :laugh:

rest:yea my cat does that too. my dog never eats its own dog food.

dracos:im with u, but try not to smuggle them. we can go to the government and protest[/color:post_uid2][/quote:post_uid2]
[color=#810541:post_uid2]Lets all protest together!! People power!! :buttrock:[/color:post_uid2]

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

thy would probably say " get the phuck out of our faces", and , well they have the power to do that. well, sorry i uprooted this in to a boycott , my bad.

[gieandfer]

i want to protest i really do. but the truth is, people wont really care. theyd be more worried about themselves, goin to work, daily stuff, and puttin food on the table.

[loadingbar]

most likely there are people who care but wouldnt want to get into it seriously and make it a part of their lives, like me i do care but i dont know if i would go and protest :confused:

[Windarossa]

most likely there are people who care but wouldnt want to get into it seriously and make it a part of their lives, like me i do care but i dont know if i would go and protest :confused:
People are probably protesting and stuff. If you lived in Denver and the cops came to your house, took your dog, that you had for like 9 yours and killed it. I think you would protest.

[Virtual Fighter]

Again, you people are the grandest of hypocrites for being so upset about when the government kills known killers, the pit bull, but just let the euthenasia of other animals at the pound roll off your back.

[Windarossa]

:stupid:

Gieandfer, so you got a pit bull huh? And a cat? lol Tell us more about that.

[gieandfer]

:stupid:

Gieandfer, so you got a pit bull huh? And a cat? lol Tell us more about that.
um actually i have one of those little dogs and its mixed. i know half of it is a terrier but the other one is the other small dog. cant remember the name but yea i do have a dog and cat. and they chase each other around, eat out of each others bowls, stuff like that

and loading, the people in denver are giving up so easily. i mean by now they wouldve gone on strike or something



Edited By gieandfer on 1122238025

[Windarossa]

I have a cat, but I always wanted a god. When I get older I'm going to get a dog. I'm probably going to look in to a pit bull breed. I'll get a girl pit bull if anything. Both Rest and my friend have girl pit bulls and they are really sweet. I though of getting a dog but my cat is what you would call a wussy. lolz He is scared of everything, the only one he hangs around is me. So, if I got a dog he would just probably have a heart attack and die. :laugh:


I'm sure that people of Denver did protest and bitch to the cops but you know how that goes. They just probably told them "thats the law, nothing we can do about it"



Edited By Windarossa on 1122246273

[loadingbar]

most likely there are people who care but wouldnt want to get into it seriously and make it a part of their lives, like me i do care but i dont know if i would go and protest :confused:
People are probably protesting and stuff. If you lived in Denver and the cops came to your house, took your dog, that you had for like 9 yours and killed it. I think you would protest.
:confused: i would if that were to happen to me but i dont have any petes... the only pets i have had are fish

and i really am sympathetic for the people who have lost their dogs...



Edited By loadingbar on 1122246909

[Windarossa]

most likely there are people who care but wouldnt want to get into it seriously and make it a part of their lives, like me i do care but i dont know if i would go and protest :confused:
People are probably protesting and stuff. If you lived in Denver and the cops came to your house, took your dog, that you had for like 9 yours and killed it. I think you would protest.
:confused: i would if that were to happen to me but i dont have any petes... the only pets i have had are fish

and i really am sympathetic for the people who have lost their dogs...
Alright than... what if the cops came and stepped on your fish. :D lol

[loadingbar]

haha

i'd get mad and have them suspended by going to the police dppt. or something

[gieandfer]

i wonder what a cop would do if they had a pitbull

[Elena]

:stupid:

Gieandfer, so you got a pit bull huh? And a cat? lol Tell us more about that.
Lol, funny how you discard VF's comment and just call him stupid...

Look, I'm with VF on this. Pit bulls are crazy. I don't care if Vega's dog isn't but what is that 1 dog out of so many (even though you said there were like under 40 who were heros but 40 is so low compared to how many die). Those dogs can snap at any moment even on their own owner. What kind of dog is that? I remember you said earlier you would raither put them on an island then to kill them. But wouldn't that be worst then killing? They would soon run out of space or food and soon attack each other or maybe even die a slow death due to dehydration. Not killing them and stuffing them on an island would be a much worst death. Kind of like me taking you and stuffing you on an island with no people and no Vega...you'd go crazy sooner or later.

[Windarossa]

i wonder what a cop would do if they had a pitbull
lol I bet that their were a few cops who owned pit bulls. I'm guessing they knew about the law in advance, so they just probably got them out of Denver. Which is kind of unfair. I think that some cops probably didn't like the law, but they had no choice but to do their job.

Anyway... People are pissed of at the death penalty, killing rapists and murderers. But they think it's a brilliant idea to kill animals. Ever heard of animal rights...



Edited By Windarossa on 1122267318

[gieandfer]

elena: first off, if dogs are trained to attack maybe its for a reason i dont know say, TO PROTECT THEIR OWNERS. u wouldnt think theyd be trained to rob a bank would u? u wouldnt wanna be depending ur life on a small dog to protect u from a rober? old people cant do poop so they get a dog

wind: yea some dont even put murderers at death penality but in jail for 15 years. when they get out theyd go and just rape or murder again. thats wrong that after a animal who cant think for itself kills somebody and they put them to death. maybe the kid deserved it. owners treat the animals like they have no soul and just road kill them and leave them there or disown them. mabe the owners deserve to die

[loadingbar]

i saw somewhere that they use to be trained as fighting dogs a long time ago and it hasnt gotten out of their system or whatever even though dog-trainers have been working with them

[Windarossa]

i saw somewhere that they use to be trained as fighting dogs a long time ago and it hasnt gotten out of their system or whatever even though dog-trainers have been working with them
[color=#810541]They were originally trained to help farmer

[loadingbar]

post 100!

and yeah i agree with gieandfer too, you wouldnt want a small dog protecting you, the dogs dont start out aggressive, they are taught to be, thats like saying a child swears for no reason when he/she was taught the words :suspect:

[machine1]

what about this dog.... dog bites guys face (http://www.big-boys.com/articles/dogbite1.html)

he's with a cop so im guessing its a police dog. the dog clearly bites the hell outta this guys face..... so are pitbulls the only dogs that should be killed? i think not.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

:stupid:

Gieandfer, so you got a pit bull huh? And a cat? lol Tell us more about that.
um actually i have one of those little dogs and its mixed. i know half of it is a terrier but the other one is the other small dog. cant remember the name but yea i do have a dog and cat. and they chase each other around, eat out of each others bowls, stuff like that

and loading, the people in denver are giving up so easily. i mean by now they wouldve gone on strike or something
is it a chewwahwah

[gieandfer]

dracos:yea thats it

mac1: the idiot deserved it. the dog was obviosly scared as u can see with his ears and was only doin what he was trained to do, attack when threatened

[Windarossa]

what about this dog.... dog bites guys face (http://www.big-boys.com/articles/dogbite1.html)

he's with a cop so im guessing its a police dog. the dog clearly bites the hell outta this guys face..... so are pitbulls the only dogs that should be killed? i think not.
This is a dog whos job is to chase people down and be aggressive. The cop their is responsible for what happened. He should have told the guy to not get too touchy feely with the dog. The reporter put both of his hands on the dogs face, which obviously made the dog panic. One of the dogs training is probably to bit when a criminal is grabbing his face. Once again, it's retarded people whos fault it is.

[Elena]

elena: first off, if dogs are trained to attack maybe its for a reason i dont know say, TO PROTECT THEIR OWNERS. u wouldnt think theyd be trained to rob a bank would u? u wouldnt wanna be depending ur life on a small dog to protect u from a rober? old people cant do poop so they get a dog
Uh wow, after I read your post. I was like...wtf... ??? Your post has no relevance to what I was talking about.
********Sorry if this came off rude************

VF, provided many links of when people had very calm natured dogs that all of a sudden just attack them or others. If they are trained to protect the owners then who the hell will protect the owner when the dog (pit bull) turns? I beleive people have a right to protect themselves but when that protection screws with the protection of others then something should be done. Why not get another kind dog or a security system?

Machine...that dog like you said...seems like a police dog. It is trained to attack ppl. Most pit bulls on the other hand just attack any moving thing on a bad day trained or not.



Edited By Elena on 1122319617

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]Elena, VF posted links of just separated attacks. There was no information whether the dog was a calm dog or what. Most of them just said "dog attacks woman here and here". There was no information whether this dog was being hit when it attacked the person or if the child was grabbing food out of its mouth. Do you see what I'm saying?

In a lot of the attacks, the dog is usually some how provoked. As an article that VF posted says "Most attacks occur when the dog is chained up." Think about it. If the dog is chained, it can't hurt you unless you allow it.

I understand what you guys are saying. I absolutely do. Pit bulls are very strong energetic dogs and some have attacked people for no reason. But the POINT IS, if the owner can't handle the dog, or can't train 'em. It is the owners fault. A dog is like a child, as gieandfer said, they learn what you teach them.

If you notice the link Raddaman posted, the good owners trained their pit bulls to use their strength to save lives. They are strong and energetic but it's our responsibility to show them how to use that strength.

Also, people get pit bulls and then allow children to mess with them. For instance, pulling their ears or tails, grabbing food out of their mouths, jumping on them etc. If the owner is retarded enough to allow this and not watch their kid, it is their fault when the pit bull turn and bits the kid. Keep in mind this is a dog, it doesn't know that it's a child bothering it; all it feel is just someone bothering it. They "GRRR" but the kid is still bothering it.

Plus, they are not the only dogs attacking people. And as another article by VF said

[gieandfer]

elena: first off, if dogs are trained to attack maybe its for a reason i dont know say, TO PROTECT THEIR OWNERS. u wouldnt think theyd be trained to rob a bank would u? u wouldnt wanna be depending ur life on a small dog to protect u from a rober? old people cant do poop so they get a dog
Uh wow, after I read your post. I was like...wtf... ??? Your post has no relevance to what I was talking about.
********Sorry if this came off rude************

VF, provided many links of when people had very calm natured dogs that all of a sudden just attack them or others. If they are trained to protect the owners then who the hell will protect the owner when the dog (pit bull) turns? I beleive people have a right to protect themselves but when that protection screws with the protection of others then something should be done. Why not get another kind dog or a security system?

Machine...that dog like you said...seems like a police dog. It is trained to attack ppl. Most pit bulls on the other hand just attack any moving thing on a bad day trained or not.
uh yea...

anyways like wind said it is the cops fault. all the time when im walking my dog people always ask me "does the dog bite" and all the time when i see dogs the owners sometimes say stuff like " yea dont get too touchy" and stuff. the cop shoulda done that instead of let the idiot molest the dog.

[Elena]

Uh, Wind previously you accused VF of not reading post thoroughly...but I think you are now a victim of your own preaching.

VF, posted many snippets of articles...here are a few...
A St. Charles County, Missouri man who owned two pit bull mixes was killed in his home by one or both of them, due to crushing injuries to his neck from dog bites. Neighbors said he loved his dogs and had talked about how well-behaved they were
These dogs attacked their own owners.

A 79-year-old Winfield, Kansas woman was hospitalized with a severe dog bite after attempting to feed a pit bull that had been chained and left without water or food. Yes, she probably just should have called animal control. But the dog's treatment speaks to an ongoing problem: there is a sizeable sub-group of pit bull owners - callous and irresponsible - who either like their pits hungry, mean and mad, or who tire of caring for them.
This dog tried to attack and did attack the person trying to feed it.

A six-year-old Florida girl underwent surgery to have her left eyelid re-attached after it was bitten off by the pit bull of a family friend on a Mother's Day outing. She had approached the dog carefully, to pet it, when it snapped. The dog's distraught owner said it had never shown aggressive behavior before, and would be destroyed.

And lastly, this girl and I quote "approached the dog carefully, to pet it, when it snapped. The dog's distraught owner said it had never shown aggressive behavior before, and would be destroyed."

[Virtual Fighter]

Check ur pm box

-blanka09



Edited By blanka09 on 1122339122

[Elena]

Lol, I'll try and uphold your side of the argument....even though you feel weird... ??? But if she stays a bigot then I leave her be...even bigots are entitled to they're own opinions no matter how wrong they may seem and plz don't get cocky.

[Vash]

My dog is half pit bull and dowmation but isn't a bad dog.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I think what I think, you think what you think. The point of a forum is to voice our thoughts. So that

[Virtual Fighter]

Wow, am I the only one who noticed the blatant and utter hyporcricy in saying "This place is to make your voice heard... and if you don't like it, get the huck out!"?

[Elena]

Wow, am I the only one who noticed the blatant and utter hyporcricy in saying "This place is to make your voice heard... and if you don't like it, get the huck out!"?
I was going to reply but you got here first.

Um, Winda I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in you initial post you said to talk about how you feel. But then as soon as someone says something wrong about the dogs you are the first to respond...therefore igniting the debate on July 22 2005,2:40, on the 2nd page....3rd reply down. Look if you were not ready why didn't you just leave rage alone with his thought...instead of saying no Rage [...]

Winda...I'll leave you alone to your ignorance...as you quoted blanka once "Ignorance is Bliss" Hopefully this bliss won't be the end of you...or anyone you love. Oh and before I forget...I apolgize if I hurt your feelings....and "ruined" your topic.

[Windarossa]

My dog is half pit bull and dowmation but isn't a bad dog.
That's an interesting mix. Your dog must be beautiful. I wonder, does it have spots? LOL that would be so cute. A pit bull thats colored like a dolmation. :love:

[Windarossa]

Um, Winda I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in you initial post you said to talk about how you feel. But then as soon as someone says something wrong about the dogs you are the first to respond...therefore igniting the debate on July 22 2005,2:40, on the 2nd page....3rd reply down. Look if you were not ready why didn't you just leave rage alone with his thought...instead of saying no Rage [...]

Oh and before I forget...I apolgize if I hurt your feelings....
I always reply and question people because I want them to get involved in the topic. I show interest in what they say and rile them up a bit, this way they would want to come back... I thought that you would understand that. :Oo:

And I accept your apology. Even though I don't really take close to heart what people on the internet say. I just don't want this topic getting personal. A friendly debate is health, calling names and flaming, is not. So I do what Blanka09 told me to, "Ignore them". :D

[Elena]

I always reply and question people because I want them to get involved in the topic. I show interest in what they say and rile them up a bit, this way they would want to come back... I thought that you would understand that. :Oo:
Yes, I understand Winda but you have to understand when you do rile someone up you have to be willing to answer to that riled up person after the fact or you just end up looking stupid...

And I accept your apology. Even though I don't really take close to heart what people on the internet say. I just don't want this topic getting personal. A friendly debate is health, calling names and flaming, is not. So I do what Blanka09 told me to, "Ignore them". :D

Well, then since you don't take what I said to heart...maybe I should take it back... :confused:

Btw, who was calling you names and flaming? I called you an bigot...but you were acting like a bigot...stubborn...

[Elena]

EDIT: it did post....
One more thing...why would I understand of all ppl...(answer here or private message me....) Thx.



Edited By Elena on 1122339215

[Windarossa]

Pictures and letters from pit bull owners and such... (http://www.suzisdogs.com/pitbulls.htm)

I read it and so should everyone who feels serious about this topic. One part I really thought was interesting...

"Do you believe in Santa Claus? If you are a child, yes. Why? Because everyone tells you that there is a Santa Claus, and you know no different. You've never met him, yet you still believe. You, as a child, are ignorant to the unfortunate fact that there is no Santa. Pit Bulls are aggressive, man eating dogs! This is what the media wants you to believe, and you know no different. Have you had an experience with a Pit Bull yourself? Probably not, because if you had one, or knew someone that had one, you would view the breed under a whole different light. The media wants you to be ignorant to the fact that Pit Bulls are not typically the type of dogs that they make them out to be"

[Virtual Fighter]

Actually, I did have an experience with a PitBull. It was my cousin's pitbull, it was on a leash. I was loading up some cartons of soda (or something) and I was getting nearer and nearer to the PitBull, and asked my cousin if it bites. He said, it does, but not anymore because it got into a fight with another pitbull and got his jawbroken into a bunch of little peices by the pitbul's amazing strength. It was growling at me but didn't jump because he knew it would hurt him more than it hurt me. My cousin told me it could bite someone's hand clean off if it had the chance.

Now, if we would have taken your advice of "punishing the deed, not the breed", and that pitbull's jaw wasn't completeley broken, I would have gotten my hand chopped off.

Yes, the pitbull would have probably gotten killed or something, but WHAT ABOUT MY HAND. THESE poopS DON'T GROW ON TREES.

You don't need to get bitten by a petbul to know it's a dangerous breed.

YOU DON'T NEED TO STEP ON poop TO KNOW IT SMELLS.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]If a person is stupid enough to keep a pit bull that they know is aggressive and will bite are the people who deserve to get their parts bitten off. =/ Why would you have an animal at home which you know will bite you? That pit bull should be killed. An animal which has already attacked people and growls at people needs to be put down. BUT an animal that has never hurt a fly shouldn

[Virtual Fighter]

...until they do it.

Ask yourself, what's more important, the life of a little girl, or the life of a pitbull?

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]There is more than one way to end pit bull attacks. They can make a law were people have to take dog training classes and get a license to own a pit bull breed. This way, the dogs will be raised properly and will be less likely to attack people if the owners know how to handle it.

Also, as part of the law, they would need to take their dog to a vet every few month to check for any behavioral changes and such. This would be a good idea because their will be a higher demand for vets and dog trainers, which will create more jobs for people. Not to mention, it will make people think twice before getting a pit bull. Only those that truly have their heart set on a pit bull will go through the lengths to acquire one.

I don

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...until they do it.

Ask yourself, what's more important, the life of a little girl, or the life of a pitbull?
the life of a little girl of course...... but what pitbulls will go after little girls.....only the ones that have irresponsible trainers. some trainers are stupid and hit their dog and stuff which can make your dog either obey you more or make it aggressive.... and 2ndly, if the owner lets their pitbull loose then its their fault.... keep it on a leash....... if its in the backyard, make sure it can't get loose. if you think it may be able to get out the yard, then tie it up. or simply keep it in your house. Owners have to be aware of their dogs actions and where they are and be aware of possibilities of them escaping.

One time, i took my pitbull into my background so it could take that mean poop....lol.... and i wasnt paying attention and it escaped out in the street. i dont think it harmed anyone, but if it did, whos fault was it? it would of been more of my fault then the dog itself. So what im saying is you can't fully blame the pitbull. Some of that blame needs to go to the owners of these pitbulls.

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

...until they do it.

Ask yourself, what's more important, the life of a little girl, or the life of a pitbull?
the life of a little girl of course...... but what pitbulls will go after little girls.....only the ones that have irresponsible trainers. some trainers are stupid and hit their dog and stuff which can make your dog either obey you more or make it aggressive.... and 2ndly, if the owner lets their pitbull loose then its their fault.... keep it on a leash....... if its in the backyard, make sure it can't get loose. if you think it may be able to get out the yard, then tie it up. or simply keep it in your house. Owners have to be aware of their dogs actions and where they are and be aware of possibilities of them escaping.

One time, i took my pitbull into my background so it could take that mean poop....lol.... and i wasnt paying attention and it escaped out in the street. i dont think it harmed anyone, but if it did, whos fault was it? it would of been more of my fault then the dog itself. So what im saying is you can't fully blame the pitbull. Some of that blame needs to go to the owners of these pitbulls.
i think thats only right thought, cuz most trainers will say it's the dawg , which yu should take 100% of the credit. be/c yu were stupid enough to buy/ take of it yu should be held accountable instaed of the dawg, porr things i just hope this isn't going national

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That would stink if it does :baaa:

Alot of people would be smuggling them out of America or Moving(if they cared enough)

[gieandfer]

whose more important a little girl or a dog u ask? i say both. god likes all his creations not just a little girl over a dog. jus cause dogs are animals doesnt mean they dont have a soul or feelings

[Virtual Fighter]

God supposedly made us in his image, and we are his special beings.

Again, the only thing no one has mentioned so far is why we make a big fuss about this but we don't give a poop about the thousands of animals who get euthenised (look that word up) every day.

Nooo... let's make a big deal when we kill killers, but let's stay quiete when they die anyway in the pound.

[gieandfer]

God supposedly made us in his image, and we are his special beings.

Again, the only thing no one has mentioned so far is why we make a big fuss about this but we don't give a poop about the thousands of animals who get euthenised (look that word up) every day.

Nooo... let's make a big deal when we kill killers, but let's stay quiete when they die anyway in the pound.
so ur saying god wants to kill one of his creations? god obviously made animals for a reason

[Windarossa]

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I understand what you guys are saying. I absolutely do. Pit bulls are very strong energetic dogs and some have attacked people for no reason. But the POINT IS, if the owner can't handle the dog, or can't train 'em. It is the owners fault. A dog is like a child, as gieandfer said, they learn what you teach them.

If you notice the link Raddaman posted, the good owners trained their pit bulls to use their strength to save lives. They are strong and energetic but it's our responsibility to show them how to use that strength.

Also, people get pit bulls and then allow children to mess with them. For instance, pulling their ears or tails, grabbing food out of their mouths, jumping on them etc. If the owner is retarded enough to allow this and not watch their kid, it is their fault when the pit bull turn and bits the kid. Keep in mind this is a dog, it doesn't know that it's a child bothering it; all it feel is just someone bothering it. They "GRRR" but the kid is still bothering it.

Plus, they are not the only dogs attacking people. And as another article by VF said

[gieandfer]

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

i still say its unfair. jus cause dogs dont have a mind to help them build a house for their own doesnt mean we can kill it. jus because we can, doesnt mean we have to

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yeah, i completely agree with gieandfer, just like the spider man movie, with great power comes great responsability... okay that was dumb, but you get my point



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[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

i still say its unfair. jus cause dogs dont have a mind to help them build a house for their own doesnt mean we can kill it. jus because we can, doesnt mean we have to
yu always do things that can't be answered

so, man no one on earth really cares about a dawg dies or, if 1 is in the middle of the road, and he needs help, noone will help the dog, but phuck with it and shiz. im tired of ppl always sayin " imma do somthing about this" ,but theyre too lazzy to get off that fat ass of theirs and maill the Government about this shiz, so evry is satitfied, but jesus isn't satisfied the way we treat our environment, but the thing is, we don't even care about our environment. if i am wrong, please correct me, but i know no one we stand up for precise earth if it was about to blow up... who would go through all that trouble when they can stop polluting 24/7 . with these terror attacks and things taken place, it shows that we don't care about earth

[Windarossa]

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

i still say its unfair. jus cause dogs dont have a mind to help them build a house for their own doesnt mean we can kill it. jus because we can, doesnt mean we have to
[color=#810541]I felt the same way until I saw this show on HBO. It's a reality show about people working in dog shelters.

The thing is, there are a lot of strays, and these dog shelters don't have money to support all of them. SO they put their pictures online and on TV, asking people to adopt a homeless pet. You might even see the commercial. They even go on shows and stuff asking for donations to keep the dogs alive...

They showed these few people trying to find homes for these dogs. A few of them were adopted right away, but this one dog they weren

[Windarossa]

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

i still say its unfair. jus cause dogs dont have a mind to help them build a house for their own doesnt mean we can kill it. jus because we can, doesnt mean we have to
yu always do things that can't be answered

so, man no one on earth really cares about a dawg dies or, if 1 is in the middle of the road, and he needs help, noone will help the dog, but phuck with it and shiz. im tired of ppl always sayin " imma do somthing about this" ,but theyre too lazzy to get off that fat ass of theirs and maill the Government about this shiz, so evry is satitfied, but jesus isn't satisfied the way we treat our environment, but the thing is, we don't even care about our environment. if i am wrong, please correct me, but i know no one we stand up for precise earth if it was about to blow up... who would go through all that trouble when they can stop polluting 24/7 . with these terror attacks and things taken place, it shows that we don't care about earth
Well, not true, I couldn't adopt a dog because my family wouldn't let me, but I did adopt a cat. If I had the space I would adopt 10 dogs but I can't. When I get older and make my own money, I know for sure that I will donate to shelters and adopt a few pups. I can't do anything nowbecause I'm supported by my parents and they say NO. :huh2:

I try my best to not pollute or litter. But there is so much I can do... We wrote letters to senators in school. And I wrote one about how we need to try to preserve our environment. I never heard back from him. =/ So you know I'm not voting for that bastard when the time comes. :suspect:



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[Virtual Fighter]

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I already mentioned euthanasia if you bothered to read my posts VF. This is why I don't reply to your posts because you constantly skip/not read my and other peoples posts. =/

I EVEN REPLYED TO THAT POST! It's not my fault you debate in such a wierd way where as I don't know what you're responding to in each little paragraph. Adopt the quote style. It's easier.

Anyway, for those who may not know what euthanasia is:The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment.

So what you're saying is it's okay to kill a homeless dog, but it's NOT okay to kill a KNOWN KILLER?

That's like me killing you instead of me killing Charlie Manson. It's a completely stupid concept in every way you look at it.
10,000 were euthenised last year because they didn't have a home. Pitbuls are knwon to kill, mame, brutaly attack and more than anything else bring pain to those who are near them, but NOOOO. Don't go killing them! Why? Because your boy friend has a pitbul.

If it wasn't for that, and you had no personal affection for pitbuls and someone would bring you the facts, 50 kids killed last year or so and so was attacked, you would say "Yeah, why not?"

So, again, so summarize YOUR position, killing 10,000 homeless dogs = FINE, killing known killers = "NOO DONT KILL THEM!".



I wonder how society would work if that was implimented.

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

Do you know how dogs are put down? An injection, totally painless. How do you think your pitbuls will be putdown? Rusty chainsaw to the neck? No, the same way they kill all dogs, injection which puts them down painlessley.

BUT NOOO. You'd rather have hundreds of little kids die untill you alow your little pitbul get an ounce of needle.


There is more than one way to end pit bull attacks. They can make a law were people have to take dog training classes and get a license to own a pit bull breed. This way, the dogs will be raised properly and will be less likely to attack people if the owners know how to handle it.

Let me tell you something about pitbuls. From what we've seen, one attack can end a life.

I have three little dogs. Yeah, they've bit me like once, but it didn't hurt, because they were small. It's in the dog's blood. Even if you train it, even if it's a super smart circuss dog, it's still going to bite you. Usually, they try when they're small.

But when you have a dog like a pitbul, one bite can end your life. One bite to the leg, jaws locked, and your leg is gone and you're left on the floor to die. No other dog can do this, but the pitbul can, AND THE PITBUL HAS.

BUT NOOO. You'd rather have hundreds of little kids die untill you alow your little pitbul get an ounce of needle.

Also, as part of the law, they would need to take their dog to a vet every few month to check for any behavioral changes and such. This would be a good idea because their will be a higher demand for vets and dog trainers, which will create more jobs for people. Not to mention, it will make people think twice before getting a pit bull. Only those that truly have their heart set on a pit bull will go through the lengths to acquire one.

And you really think people will go through that trouble just to get one of those ugly dogs? No, they'll just have them, sell them, keep them, or give them away to other people. How will the government know you have one? It won't. Nuff said.

AND IF THE GOVERNMENT DOES CHECKS, they take the pitbul, AND THEN WHAT?





It gets taken to the vet, where in a week, it's killed.

[quote]I don

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]You... agree with me? LOL that would never happen.

Anyway... you obviously never really read what I write. When did I ever say it was OK to euthanize homeless dogs but not OK to euthanize pit pulls? I've said plenty of times that pit bulls that have attacked people and are an open threat should be put down. I never said that pit bulls shouldn't be euthanized at all. So get that through your head.

I don't believe it is alright to take animals that have good homes, good care takers and good personalities and just kill them because of their breed. That

[The-Infamous]

windaross what u say is completely true right cause if it is, im pretty sure that bill law whatever viloates one or more rights in the constatution. Have the people of denver apealed to the supreme court of denver or protested cause this is an intresting issue that i think with some support can be resolved.

But the issue on drinking and driving i know the facts and statistcis but i think your looking at a little to juvanile dont u think. it is illegal to drink and drive but it is nearly inpossible to out law or ban alchohol it was tried before in the early 19 hundreds and failed horrbly and would fail now, it is just to important to the ecomnomy look at cigaretts. Like it has always been said a gun doesnt kill people, people kill people. by stopping the sell of alchohol it may slow the problem but will not fix it people must learn in there own homes and families how to use alchohol responsibly. in other countries and cultures it is allowed for kids to drink but deaths related to drunk driving are considerably lower. y because they r taugh how to use it reponsibly and i think that is the first step in to fixing this problem.



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[Windarossa]

Your right Infamous. I just used it as an example. VF says that because their have been 60 deaths a year than it is a good idea to kill all pit bulls. So I say, if 60 deaths are enough to extinct a breed than 17 thousand deaths a year should be enough to outlaw drinking.

[gieandfer]

And I'll say it again. I believe that euthanasia is okay. If an animal is suffering or in pain and it can't be helped, it is alright to put it down. ALSO, I've learned that they don't just use euthanasia on homeless dogs. Shelters try to give them homes first. If no one takes them in after a while, then they do it. I believe that is alright.

i still say its unfair. jus cause dogs dont have a mind to help them build a house for their own doesnt mean we can kill it. jus because we can, doesnt mean we have to
yu always do things that can't be answered

so, man no one on earth really cares about a dawg dies or, if 1 is in the middle of the road, and he needs help, noone will help the dog, but phuck with it and shiz. im tired of ppl always sayin " imma do somthing about this" ,but theyre too lazzy to get off that fat ass of theirs and maill the Government about this shiz, so evry is satitfied, but jesus isn't satisfied the way we treat our environment, but the thing is, we don't even care about our environment. if i am wrong, please correct me, but i know no one we stand up for precise earth if it was about to blow up... who would go through all that trouble when they can stop polluting 24/7 . with these terror attacks and things taken place, it shows that we don't care about earth
exactly no one cares. if yousee on the news that someone was shot ud say "big deal" all ud care about is if someone close died. u wouldnt care about those dogs dying but think about what their owners are goin through. all those years of spending time with it and then after one day there gone. some owners even love them enough to put their lives on the line to hide them underground. they can go to jail but they are chosing to protect their dogs

im glad loadings with me as well

[Virtual Fighter]

Anyway... you obviously never really read what I write. When did I ever say it was OK to euthanize homeless dogs but not OK to euthanize pit pulls? I've said plenty of times that pit bulls that have attacked people and are an open threat should be put down. I never said that pit bulls shouldn't be euthanized at all. So get that through your head.

And obviously you never read anything i've ever said eigther. Where did I say that you didn't say pitbulls who kill should be put down? I never said that. Quit making stuff up.

Secondly, that's bad logic, too. Homeless animals? Yes, kill them! Pitbulls who have attacked people? Yes! Kill them! Pitbulls who are yet to attack someone but probably will? Even though it would save some kids from being killed, NOOOOOOOO. WE CANT DO DAT. DAS WRONG!

-_-

If you saw into the future, and saw that you were killed by a pitbull's superpowerful locking jaw, would you give your pitbull away?

Ask yourself that. If it could save you from dying, would you kill the dog even if it hasn't done anything yet, but you know it will?

OK, lets say you are right VF. 60 deaths a year by pit bulls... wow that a lot. Lets kill them all. Lets extinct them! But how about OTHER things that kill a lot of people? Do we outlaw/extinct them? huh Or is it just dogs your after?

Yes and no. Pitbulls have mauled many people in my area, spacifically my next door neighbor.

Another thing which I am against is guns, we should get rid of those too, as they have done much harm in my neighborhood too. Smoking? Kills millions a year. Let's get rid of that. Drugs? You betcha. Fatty foods? Let's all go vega. Drinking?...

"We cannot overlook an epidemic of alcohol-related deaths, equivalent to 757 passenger jets crashing each week for an entire year. Today alone, an estimated 48 people in the U.S. will senselessly die - and not because of terrorists attacks or terminal illness; the culprit is alcohol-impaired driving. Each year half a million other people are injured in alcohol-related crashes."

You hear that. A half a million people injured, a year!! WOW!! Why not stop drinking?

Damn right. What has drinking done to our nation if not cause families to get torn appart, taken lives, and dumbed-down our nation? flip drinking.

17,419 people a year die!! Seems like much more than 60 a year doesn't it? But no one cares to out law drinking or driving because that would be an Inconvenience. It would mean that people will actually have to DO something to better the world. BUT NOOO!! People just want to kill a bunch of helpless dogs and say they made the world better.

Helpless dogs? Hit your pitbull with a stick, and you tell me if it's "helpless".

If you can't type because you don't have a hand, tell your boyfriend to do it. If you're dead, well, you lose.

If people are drinking and driving and killing each other like this with no second thought. Than does it really matter if some 60 people a year died when you got half a million injured and 17 thousand dead.

I'd rather kill a million pitbulls before I let one human die. I'm not much for protecting ugly ass, waist the nation's money, kill the nation's children, bit peopl's hands off animals against a death which is inevitable.

You can always get another dog, but you can never replace your son or daughter.

Your right Infamous. I just used it as an example. VF says that because their have been 60 deaths a year than it is a good idea to kill all pit bulls. So I say, if 60 deaths are enough to extinct a breed than 17 thousand deaths a year should be enough to outlaw drinking.


And it should be enough to outlaw drinking. But you know what? That's not the issue at hand. We're not talking about that. We're talking about dogs, not drinking.

You tell me, what has a pittbull done for society that couldn't be fofilled by any other animal, a cat, a different type of dog, or how about PEOPLE?

You remember when people used to interact with other people? That was a good time, wasn't it. Maybe since everyone has had their hands, feet and mouths ripped off that's become a bit harder.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541]There is nothing new that I can say to reply to your post. You keep posting the same things over and over and over. Why do you need to write these essays when you could just write one sentence: "Kill all pit bulls hero or not because they will ALL attack sooner or later." It's tiring reading your posts. And I

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haha, im still against the killing, too :baaa: