Scientists 'raise the dead'

[marvel911]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages....=#story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=353655&in_page_id=1774&in_a_source=#story)

Scientists have discovered a way to bring dead dogs back to life.
Using a so-called suspended animation technique, they emptied the dead animals' veins of blood and filled them with ice-cold saline solution to preserve the tissues and organs.
The saline solution was then replaced with fresh blood and electric shocks were used to restart the heart. The dogs appeared unharmed by their suspension and had suffered no brain damage
They believe it could save the lives of people who have suffered massive blood loss, such as battlefield casualties or stabbings victims.


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[SSJKarma]

oh man, here we go... umbrella is coming soon now ! :colgate:

[Master_Jay]

That sounds good. Hopefully it can do the same for humans as well.

[machine1]

alright...i seen enough movies to know this is not a good thing....... we don't need any zombies runnin loose....lol...they should stop all experimentations.....end of story!

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

eh? but we all know it's probably going to work on humans

and tranfusions right? and a lotta more aid shall be going around as well if this goes on

[Virtual Fighter]

THAT'S SINFUll! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!

[Angel-Eyes]

THAT'S SINFUll! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
hey thats what I was gonna say!



actually I dont care.

my theory is that if you pumped that new crap into a dead human and brought him to "life", I think it would just be a brain dead organism.


but who knows

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

THAT'S SINFUll! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
omg here it goes again

[machine1]

i seriously think that what you see with the zombie movies and return of the dead movies will happen if we start doing these certain experiments....... thats why scientists should just forget about it and let the dead stay dead@ :D

[blanka09]

THAT'S SINFUll! WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL!
hey thats what I was gonna say!

actually I dont care.

my theory is that if you pumped that new crap into a dead human and brought him to "life", I think it would just be a brain dead organism.

but who knows
That hypothesis actually makes sense. You can always revive the beating of the heart since it basically requires electric impulse. However, draining all the fluid from the brain kinda makes that oh so very impotart part of the body "useless" :biggrin:

[Liger Zero]

But Just In Case Im Still Glad I Got My Tech.

[vx_unicom]

That sounds good. Hopefully it can do the same for humans as well.
This "experiment" will work on dogs, and perhaps some other mammal species..., however, this new found knowledge will never work on human beings.., in terms of bringing "humans" back to life, perhaps if that particular person/persons are still alive. :biggrin:

If your willing to "dispute" with me and turn this into a Debate, then so be it. :biggrin:



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[alamgir]

How do you know scientists won't be able to expand on the current knowledge gained from this experiment and make it dead human friendly?

[~Mastermax~]

makes me think of those damn dogs on RE.


but whats wrong with them being brain dead, zombies rock ass!!!

[blanka09]

Yeah; I'd rather take my chances with the "afterlife" than becoming something like that :biggrin:

[alamgir]

Whoa I can just imagine what zombie elephants would be like!

[~Mastermax~]

i know its not a zombie, but imagine real life "El Gigante", that would rip ass in a war...

[caylan1234]

when the dogs were brought back they had no memory lose wow do you know what that could do if it really worked on humans that means police would probley have murders solved quickly if they could bring the victim back to life. :cry:

[~Mastermax~]

this brings back memories of pet semetary, would coming back to life crush all thoughts of sanity and bring up the never ending thought of you actually being dead.

[Shinatsu]

Just more years of research and tests and....who knows maybe immortality could come into the mix? *sigh* If only....

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541][b]The idea all together creeps me out. On one hand, this is a great break through in medical science, the idea that you can bring people back from the dead without consequences. But on the other, it seems so immoral and when a person dies, it

[Zpower]

Death is easy to solve.... if your body is still intact that is... If you're blown to pieces.... thats another story.....

[Shinatsu]

If your blown to pieces your basically screwed based upon this theory.

[~Mastermax~]

well there always was frankenstien's theory

[AnimeGirl4evr]

I say..Let the dead stay dead...let them r.i.p..

[blanka09]

It's a fact that experiments like these keep on pushing the limit to which science can slam the door in the face of moral idealists on whether or not things like those should fly :biggrin:



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[Windarossa]

Well, when people die in hospitals doctors try to resuscitate them. And in many cases they end up reviving their bodies but not their brains, which saves the persons life, but makes them a vegetable.

If you think about it, a person in a vegetative state is a zombie! They were dead and now they are alive without the brains.

The point is, doctors have been doing this for a long time, so this new experiments just seem like the next step.

[blanka09]

Actually when a person DIES... as in, the heart and the brain stop.. they try to "shock" their heart back into it's function. If that fails, then they are presumed dead. No amount of scientific blabbregoon (yeah.. my word) can him/her back to life.

One can only say for certain... that is, taking awayy the element of faith of what we actually experience when the heart stops. So it goes beyond ethical beliefs to try and "bring the dead" back to life.

[Vash]

That's vudo :D

[~Mastermax~]

people thought umbrellas were against religional beliefs too, "if god made rain he wanted us to get wet" and what did people think about when we found out how to bring people back to life witha spark to the heart?

[Angel-Eyes]

now we have to define souls and whether or not they exist.


I for one believe that all humans get a soul when they become a zygote. and animals do not have them

[machine1]

eh, we'll probably all be dead before humans can be revived.

[marvel911]

[quote:post_uid14="machine1"][color=#000000:post_uid14]eh, we'll probably all be dead before humans can be revived.[/color:post_uid14][/quote:post_uid14]
[color=#660099:post_uid14]Way to keep up the hope. :p[/color:post_uid14]

[machine1]

eh, we'll probably all be dead before humans can be revived.
Way to keep up the hope. :p
lol... well its true....it's going to take years before research is complete.... bringin back the dead, cure for cancer....all the stuff we need wont come till after we're all long gone

[~Mastermax~]

well we would have a cure for cancer if it wasn't for a certain banning of research on the closest thing we had for a cure...

[caylan1234]

If they do bring the dead back it will problry cost a fortune only rich people could afford and the dead would problry only live for a little while. :laugh:

[Zapper]

True^

[marvel911]

By chance did you miss this part:

Scientists at the Safar Centre in Pittsburgh hope to use the technique onhumans within a year and are in talks with hospitals about trials on trauma patients.

Overall the experiment sounds like it could work, of course, I'm not doctor so I have no idea what this whole thing could do to the human body. And frankly I think using all that blood just to revive a dead body does seem like a waste especially when we need to blood, for say a blood transfusion just to keep someone alive.

However, If this experiment were to be a success on humans, then I think it should only be done in the instance of a child's death. When someone is 70-80 years old and they die, well let it be, they've had their run. But if someone dies at 8-12, then a procedure like this could be very beneficial.

[SSJKarma]

if there is one thing i learned from the past inventions, is that even thought it was made for the greater good of humanity... it will always end up be used to make even more wars !

imagine soldiers that cannot be killed !
imagine endless wars that goes on world wide because the many armies cannot die !
sorry guys... i think that our times as come, we should accept it and stop thinking of trying to cheat death when it comes for us !

i'm ready to die... and i know i enjoy each day of life as it happens !
do the same guys...

those scientists trys to ake it easyer by not dieing, for they fear death in itself !

[machine1]

well said, karma. I agree. When it's your time, it's your time! Lets not try to change our destiny. If humans can be brought back to life, either hell will raise loose or zombies will actually be real......lol

[marvel911]

What about the children? You wouldnt support giving a young child a second chance at life?

[AnimeGirl4evr]

^^ I would.

[vx_unicom]

What about the children? You wouldnt support giving a young child a second chance at life?
Lol, you people are starting to let your "imaginations" get the better of you. Just like I posted in my previous post, this experiment will NOT work, and still bare in mind that this experiment is based on "dogs"..., and not humans.

It doesn't really matter how science evolves, but I assure you, there won't be such a thing as bringing back the "dead". We leave in a world of uncertainty, not knowing what tomorrow will hold. And death is always around us, seeking it's next victims, and there is no escaping it... :biggrin:

Don't get me wrong, however this experiement will work on animals, but definately not on humans, due to the fact that humans posses something that animals don't, and it's the very "essence" of our existence, believe it or not.

Edit: I'm even willing to bet a $100, that this experiement will not work on humans. :biggrin:



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[marvel911]

What about the children? You wouldnt support giving a young child a second chance at life?
Lol, you people are starting to let your "imaginations" get the better of you. Just like I posted in my previous post, this experiment will NOT work, and still bare in mind that this experiment is based on "dogs"..., and not humans.

It doesn't really matter how science evolves, but I assure you, there won't be such a thing as bringing back the "dead". We leave in a world of uncertainty, not knowing what tomorrow will hold. And death is always around us, seeking it's next victims, and there is no escaping it...

Don't get me wrong, however this experiement will work on animals, but definately not on humans, due to the fact that humans posses something that animals don't, and it's the very "essence" of our existence, believe it or not.

Edit: I'm even willing to bet a $100, that this experiement will not work on humans.
I never said it would, nor did the article. If you actually read the article, it said they would try the technique out on humans, the keyword being try. Also, it never said it that scientists expect it to work 100%, if at all.
Also, if your trying to dig down into a religious meaning behind it all, then give that up.

[TremulantX]

there is no possible way that when humans do get revived through this technique that they will become zombies like in the movies and infect others with somezombie disease, not even viruses and bacteria because they were basically frozen, the human brain is too complex to have absolutely no damage when being revived, all memories and identity will be lost, there isnt a way to take a "video" of your life either and have those things implanted back in "yet" either so no if they do revive humans, they will become zombies, but more like babies..... all involuntary functions should work properly but you will have to redisocer your life and learn how to walk and be potty trained all over again...... it's that simple. a dogs brain is so simple it doesn't matter if it forgot how to pee anyway cuz it pee's anywhere!! :)

[vx_unicom]

@marve|: Lol, I'm very well aware what the article is all about, and I clearly understood that, this particular experiment will work on all dogs. From reading certain posts, It seemed people were actually implying that this idea will work on humans, thus being a "reality".

Trying to dig down a religious meaning?!?...lol, I don't think my last "statement" sounded religious at all. :biggrin:

[MasterX05]

Some poeple dont read do they, it said that on humans it would be really helpful for bringing back humans who died from BLOOD LOST So your telling me that if a women got stabbed by some thief trying to steal her purse. Then its wrong to bring her back cuz it was her time to die? Or if a cop takes a bad gunshot wound from a crimnal and has lost lots of blood he dies. And its only right he should die because his time came? All that poop is bullpoop man

[marvel911]

Trying to dig down a religious meaning?!?...lol, I don't think my last statement sounded religious at all.
Well I was simply saying not to. I didnt know what you meant when you were doing all your stupid little quotes and bolding of words to make yourself feel like your stressing the importance of a word when it's unnecessary.

And then you said:'it's the very "essence" of our existence' which I figured you were trying to get to a whole God/religious meaning by quoting yet another word, essence. And I figured you'd have a good reason to turn a topic towards a religious way since your whole Pope/debate topic failed miserably.

But apparently your not doing that, so all's well.

[DA_VIPA]

these scientists really should worry on the things thats killing us then there would be no need to regenerate dead ppl. cure cancer or something!!! getting 2 females eggs to fertilise one another is impressive but its gona screw us all over!!

[vx_unicom]

Trying to dig down a religious meaning?!?...lol, I don't think my last statement sounded religious at all.
Well I was simply saying not to. I didnt know what you meant when you were doing all your stupid little quotes and bolding of words to make yourself feel like your stressing the importance of a word when it's unnecessary.
I felt, it was necessary to put certain words, you call "stupid", and yet failed to undertand what I was trying to say (trying to figure it out) in quotes and bold, in order to clearly specify what I was trying to say, and make it sure it's crytal clear that once a human dies, there won't be a "revival". I'm a 100% confident, going as far as to bet a $100. It's necessary indeed to stress that out.. :biggrin:

Unfortunately it seems, your bringing up unnecessary comments on how my topic failed miserably, which I don't think it did. How "intelligent" of you, thinking the word essence evolves around religion.. :dozingoff:



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[~Mastermax~]

one day we might be able to bring back the dead with no problems, it may be unimaginable nowbut so was electricity a thousand years ago, within the last century we have made thousands of scientific discoveries, and it's not time to stop.


this experiment won't be used upon humans any time soon becuase we have so many politicians who think that a country is run by a religion...

[marvel911]

I felt, it was necessary to put certain words, you call "stupid", and yet failed to undertand what I was trying to say (trying to figure it out) in quotes and bold, in order to clearly specify what I was trying to say, and make it sure it's crytal clear that once a human dies, there won't be a revival. I'm a 100% confident, going as far as to bet a $100. It's necessary indeed to stress that out..

Unfortunately it seems, your bringing up unnecessary comments on how my topic failed miserably, which I don't think it did. How "intelligent" of you, thinking the word essence evolves around religion..
So your vast knowledge in the field of medical science and research enables you to know the outcome of these experiements? Sure it may not work the first time, or the first 50 times, nobody is saying it will, all it is saying is that they're going to try. Go ahead and have your doubts, but what is your reason for disbelief? Just because it seems illogical to you means it will never be done?

And I do hope you read MasterX05's post on the previous page, because it does indeed make sense.


So your also saying your Pope debate topic succeeded eh? You claim it didnt fail, and there is no middle ground, so in your mind your topic that went no where, and didnt answer your question as to what other people's thoughts were, succeeded with flying colors. Hmm, interesting..oh wait, "interesting"

Yes it was quit "intelligent" of me to think that wasnt it? So if your whole line where you say: 'due to the fact that humans posses something that animals don't' Ok, what is that something? Is it the ability to stand up-right, or the ability to speak?

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541][b]I

[TremulantX]

[quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"][color=#000000][b]I

[vx_unicom]

[color=#FF0000][quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"][b]I

[Virtual Fighter]

Take it from windarossa. Thinking is bad for you.

[marvel911]

Take it from windarossa. Thinking is bad for you.
I think Windarossa can take her fantastic opinions on our subject matter elsewhere instead of demeaning our conversation..

When has the UN "debated" anything? They just squabble over petty things instead of looking at the big problems.



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[evryoung8998]

I thought africans already started something like this? They put a poison in ur body and your in a state of shock or as they said in the discovery channel, you act like a zombie.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541][b]oh yeah... you people will try to solve any bs problem to avoid solving problems that are in your face. Let

[vx_unicom]

[color=#FF0000][quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"]Anyway, I can see that this topic isn't going to lead to anything good. We are supposed to post our opinion, but that

[marvel911]

[quote:post_uid0="Windarossa"][color=#000000][b]oh yeah... you people will try to solve any bs problem to avoid solving problems that are in your face. Let

[Virtual Fighter]

@VF: Thinking is bad for you?! Then why do we posses the ability to think, and animals don't?? I'm assuming you mean't "over thinking". :biggrin:

Apperantly sarcasm is bad for you, too.

[Shinatsu]

[color=#000080][quote]oh yeah... you people will try to solve any bs problem to avoid solving problems that are in your face. Let

[Virtual Fighter]

Ethics? Who defines ethics. This is just some bullpoop word the christian right uses to try to hold back the development of man.

If we all went by "ethics", we'd still think the sun rotated around the earth and that books are evil because "they lie".

[Angel-Eyes]

If we all went by "ethics", we'd still think the sun rotated around the earth and that books are evil because "they lie".
I doubt it....meh


if we all didnt go by any ethics we would all be dead, or even worse, gay lol.

actually I have no idea



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[dominicankid098]

Windarossa: It doesn't take a scientist to figure out a solution for "world hunger". If you got a good heart and soul, anyone can do it. Even if it means helping a little bit in a homeless shelter. If everyone can put their self-centered thoughts behind, world hunger wouldn't be an issue. How the heck is a scientist going to come up with a solution for world hunger? Come up with a hypothesis, experiment, and other crap? Please.

You keep forgetting the point of this. This is only a "test" that they are going to do on humans. If the test succeeds, then hoofliping ray. After the test, then they can start thinking of what they can achieve by reviving a dead person, like solving kidnaps, rapes, and a whole mess of crimes out their that could be solved. Also think about this, you actually think they are going to revive random people? Obviously they are going to ask permissions before the person is dead just like they ask "whether you like your body is creamated or burried".
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Ok, I know this is off subject, but after reading this topic there has been one thing that has been pissing me off. Those gay big grins. Big grins are played out, find another smily for god sakes. I swear, it is like we have a whole mess of TMy jrs in this forum. Not like I have a problem with TMy, just it gets annoying reading posts from others that looks some what identical to TMy's.



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[vx_unicom]

Ok, I know this is off subject, but after reading this topic there has been one thing that has been pissing me off. Those gay big grins. Big grins are played out, find another smily for god sakes. I swear, it is like we have a whole mess of TMy jrs in this forum. Not like I have a problem with TMy, just it gets annoying reading posts from others that looks some what identical to TMy's.
:biggrin: :You think "I'm played out"? Big Grins will rule, fear me mortal, lol.



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[Y2J2005]

These dogs are called Zombie Dogs. I Already Knew a Little about this.:p

[Shinatsu]

Ok, I know this is off subject, but after reading this topic there has been one thing that has been pissing me off. Those gay big grins. Big grins are played out, find another smily for god sakes. I swear, it is like we have a whole mess of TMy jrs in this forum. Not like I have a problem with TMy, just it gets annoying reading posts from others that looks some what identical to TMy's.

:biggrin: :biggrin: and............ :biggrin:

[~Mastermax~]

scientists could be ending world hunger if it wasn't for politicians preventing research on genetic engineering. we are being set decades behind becuase we have republicans who are acting like a prophet and banning things they call unethical left and right. so don't start bitching about whats ethical.



people called DEMOCRACY unethical, yet we all know it isn't.

[Zapper]

If they do revive people and they are zombies or turn out to be vampires hit me up!

[marvel911]

If they do revive people and they are zombies or turn out to be vampires hit me up!
Your a very weird person, you know that..

[dominicankid098]

Ok, I know this is off subject, but after reading this topic there has been one thing that has been pissing me off. Those gay big grins. Big grins are played out, find another smily for god sakes. I swear, it is like we have a whole mess of TMy jrs in this forum. Not like I have a problem with TMy, just it gets annoying reading posts from others that looks some what identical to TMy's.
:biggrin: :You think "I'm played out"? Big Grins will rule, fear me mortal, lol.
Kyokugen Masters > The Gladiators

[Zapper]

If they do revive people and they are zombies or turn out to be vampires hit me up!
Your a very weird person, you know that..
Chill. I was only kidding

seriously if they actually do complete this experiment I would want to be the first to test the drug, that is if it succeeds.......

[vx_unicom]

:biggrin: :You think "I'm played out"? Big Grins will rule, fear me mortal, lol.
Kyokugen Masters > The Gladiators
No fair, that was a very long time ago and I had absolutely no knowledge about clans, both clans are dead right, "coughs" lol?? :biggrin:, nevertheless :biggrin: >Kyokugen Masters, lol.



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[caylan1234]

If these do work do you know how many people will want this crazy people trying to break into hospitals man i say they keep this on tha down low until they know for show. :buttrock:

[marvel911]

If they do revive people and they are zombies or turn out to be vampires hit me up!
Your a very weird person, you know that..
Chill. I was only kidding

seriously if they actually do complete this experiment I would want to be the first to test the drug, that is if it succeeds.......
Ok, you want to be the "first" but yet it must suceed, so the experiement would have to of been already tested before you, not making you the first. Second, you'd have to be dead. And I dont think scientists are gonna kill you just so they can try this out because that's called murder. :p

[Zapper]

You cannot kill me I am immortal don't you watch my movies!