Illegal immigration - You know the drill

[Virtual Fighter]

Okay, another thing i've been wondering/researching.

i think illegal immigrants should be accepted into the USA, and given full rights like residents.

This nation was founded by illegal immigrants, persecuted because of their views from their other country, and yet, 300 years later, we have changed out ways, and patched up the constetution and changed our laws.

why? immigrants are still as much a part of the united states today as they were 300 years ago.

ill post some facts later.

first, i wanna hear what you guys think.



Edited By Virtual Fighter on 1098151990

[evilhadoken]

why should they be accepted here ? i have a couple of reasons saying why they shouldnt.
-They'll take up so many jobs that other people might want to have.
-They'll of course start getting homes ( which i dont blame them, they do need a roof over there head.)but other than that what if some immigrant takes the home of what your family always wanted and they just come and they take it, or any other homes ( not by force i mean, paying actually :D)
- what if they'll cause problems in the community that they will be staying at ? you never know what might happen.
- thats why they have Green Cards.
-Other than that thats all i got, ill post more information i'll soon get.

[Angel-Eyes]

YEAH! lets just make it easier for them to smuggle even more drugs.


btw the pilgrims that settled here came over because their king was forcing his religion on them.


if the illegal immigrants came to our borders because of a lack of freedom from their home county, then so be it......let them in.

after thats what were all about.....spreading freedom

[MasterX05]

My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish!

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]why should they be accepted here ? i have a couple of reasons saying why they shouldnt.

-They'll take up so many jobs that other people might want to have.
no, actually we (and I do say we, I immigrated to the USA when I was a child. Y que, puto?) take up hard physical labor jobs that you lazy people don

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]DOUBLE POST

y que? are you gonna call the INS on me?


YEAH! lets just make it easier for them to smuggle even more drugs.
wow! A republican blaiming all his problems on illegal immigrants!

I didn

[XxEl_PeCaDoRxX]

YEAH! lets just make it easier for them to smuggle even more drugs.
:butbut: @ Kester - They might smuggle drugs.. but people in the U.S.A are the ones that consume it. *..Guess where I got that from Vf :D*

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@ Evilhadoken - You're totally wrong.

They'll take up so many jobs that other people might want to have.
- They usually just take jobs people don't want to do.

They'll of course start getting homes ( which i dont blame them, they do need a roof over there head.)but other than that what if some immigrant takes the home of what your family always wanted and they just come and they take it, or any other homes ( not by force i mean, paying actually :D)
Rich Pompus Family : '' OMG! It's and Immigrant!..and..and..he's trying to buy that house that I've always wanted.''
- Well..you should of bought it before anyone did. -_-'

:) Good Day.

[Angel-Eyes]

if the illegal immigrants came to our borders because of a lack of freedom from their home county, then so be it......let them in.
I just said that..........whatever


anyways

wow! A republican blaiming all his problems on illegal immigrants!

I already told you im not a republican

yes I was serious, you cannot deny that if your idea became law, that it would make it easier to smuggle drugs......there is just no argument.



People who were here first:
(in consecutive order)
1) Aztecs in the south west, a number of indiginouse tribes in the north.
2) the vickings on a couple of years stay
3) the Chinese voyager Zheng He and his crew
>>> oppression begins here ccc
4) Chirstepher collumbu and his group of assholes
5) pilgrims
6) enlgish to come and colonize

alright.

aztecs got killed by the spainish.....blame them, not us
"vickings" left by themselves......cant blame us for that (not saying you did)
"chirstepher collumbu" (lmao) was like italian or somthin.....not one ofus. (personally, I also think he was a fool)
pilgrims (christians persecuted by the king of england)....nah I doubt they killed any indians, I dunno




And oppressing a large number of people. God I love oppressing a large number of people.

dont blame the oppressions of the minority of "oppressors" on the rest ofus americans.



Edited By kester- on 1098154433

[MasterX05]

pilgrims (christians persecuted by the king of england)....nah I doubt they killed any indians, I dunno


What u cant be serious! I will have to get back to u on this when I find more true facts.

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]I already told you im not a republican
if the shoe fits, wear it. You share their morals and beliefs, so why don

[XxEl_PeCaDoRxX]

[color=#FF00FF][quote]Peca, fill in the next word I am gonna say:
that

[Windarossa]

First of all, I don't think drugs play as big of a factor in illegal immigration as you guys might think. Even if we outlaw all immigration drugs will still find there way into America.

And another thing, I came here from Russia because my mom married an American guy so I actually know alot about this stuff. I know alot of people who are here illegally. America grants student/work visas to people from other states. They allow those people to stay here for a certain amount of time, depending on why they came here. Alot of these people end up never leaving and that is what an illegal immigrant basicly is. And not some terrorist dude swimming over an ocean with a bag of coke on his back. These people are harmless and just strive for a better future for them selves and most likely their children.

I feel very bad saying this but I think that, if anything, they should stop allowing this much immigrants to enter. America strives to seem as the richest and most successfull country in the world but the fact of the matter is we have more than 180billion dollars in trading debt. How do i know this?

I take an economics class and let me tell you guys what I've learned has me tossing and turning at night. We owe to almost every single country that we are allied with! Their is an EXTREME deficit in work placement. We are in a very bad shape and if you don't believe me just try going out and finding a job that will atleast give you your basic needs. And do you know what one of the major causes of all of this is? The fact that America simply can not take any more people.

Think of it like this. We are a balloon. That ballon is being filled every day. Did you know that an airplane sets in America every 45 seconds? Now lets imagine that latleast one person per every two planes is an immigrant. How many people is that per 24hours? How about 24/7? We are like a balloon. And as a ballon we are running out of space.



Edited By Windarossa on 1098159719

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]Think of it like this. We are a balloon. That ballon is being filled every day. Did you know that a airplane sets in America every 45 seconds? And as a ballon we are running out of space.
you

[Wave Master]

I hate them and its not because I'm republican its because I'm legal, the fact that they came here just to leave there country is bs to me, my mom went to america for 6 months so I never saw my mom for 6 months. We left our country because of many reasons mainly for better living conditions. So I am as you say a illegalist. If they want to work here, fine but they better do it legally.

Or here's a better way okay

Right now there are millions that live in U.S. correct. but with an increase in population does many things. For instance if there are more ppl here then don't you think U.S. would be in the billions by now. Too many people = too much resources for them. Including, medical, foods, clothing, land, etc. Its not that its not a bad idea VF, but its too costly and too chaotic for a any country to keep up with. And the whole they'll work for less stuff, that would be useless because then they would be citizens which means they can just get better jobs instead of crappy ones.

[dominicankid098]

Illegal Imigration should not be allowed in the United States. Then that would be called "legal". Seriously, what is the point of a whole mess of people coming out of god knows where trying to make money in the United States just to go back to their poor ass country and give them the money they had made. Or even if they are trying to "start" all over again, how many of them come with a REAL degree to start all over again in the United States? Most of them cause trouble, here in Miami is full of cuban imigrants. And almost all of them just end up drunk off there ass and get themselves months in jail.

Not only that, but the United States already allows like 250,000 immigrants a year. That is more than enough. We can not have an overpopulated country especially if most of the immigrants are just going be poor as hell "the usual", with limited rights, (since they are not citizens), but with alot more freedom. And freedom in the United States has a whole different meaning than what the dictionary says it is.

Now I think it is wrong for an Immigration bus to pick up some immigrants while they are waiting in the bus stops to go to work, but I don't see why they just don't go through Nationalism. It is not that hard, my family are from the Dominican Republic and they got here just fine.

The United States is not like before, this is not a NEW COUNTRY. There are laws and they are trying to be more secure about who to let in. Lots of spies out there from different countries trying to see what we got. This is mostly for the country's safety. Even though we spy as well, I think it is more secure this way. And like I said before, going through Nationalism is not that hard.

I don't really care what anybody got to say but this is how I feel.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1098159711

[Windarossa]

If the country is running out of money, get some more money, manage it better!
Get the money where? The government taxes us 30%, we owe unbelievable amounts of money to everyone! Where do you suppose we get this money!?

I also don't think that the immigrants that are here should be granted citizenship. As citizens of America we are intittled to certain rights. These rights are being payed for by our Federal government such as welfare, SSI and workfare. We aren't doing to grand in that department either. Lets just say that all the people that work for check have to pay about 30% to the federal government for all the funds. What if all of these people became citizens... our government will end up taxing us 50% maybe even more. In order to pay for all of these people. Are you willing to pay 50% from your hard work to pay for some guy who came here, doesn't know the language and instead of having to go out and work munches off the welfare?

I honestly don't think you would.

We are already getting into wars with Iraq.. What do you think that whole thing was about? Well let me tell you it was money. This government is working its hardest and its still not managing. Its easy to say just find the money. Why dont you give a suggestion?



Edited By Windarossa on 1098160045

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]I hate them and its not because I'm republican its because I'm legal, the fact that they came here just to leave there country is bs to me, my mom went to america for 6 months so I never saw my mom for 6 months. We left our country because of many reasons mainly for better living conditions. So I am as you say a illegalist. If they want to work here, fine but they better do it legally.
hate is such a strong word. Don

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]DOUBLE POST.

Y que? Call the INS on me.

Illegal Imigration should not be allowed in the United States. Then that would be called "legal". Seriously, what is the point of a whole mess of people coming out of god knows where trying to make money in the United States just to go back to their poor ass country and give them the money they had made. Or even if they are trying to "start" all over again, how many of them come with a REAL degree to start all over again in the United States? Most of them cause trouble, here in Miami is full of cuban imigrants. And almost all of them just end up drunk off there ass and get themselves months in jail.

that is filled with
1) stereotype
2) ignorance
3) lies


how about you stop pointing fingers and saying

[dominicankid098]

And like I said before. I don't care what you got to say because that is how I feel. You always think that what you got to say is "RIGHT" but not others will feel the same as you. Get real, no one revolves around what you have to say. Always trying to argue over the net. LMAO non social life bitch. Got anything else better to do besides sitting your ass down trying to debate than actually trying to make a difference?

EDITED again.



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1098162682

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]You always think that what you got to say is "RIGHT" but not others will feel the same as you.
I DO have that right, and WHO GIVES A flip if they disagree, I can say it anyway.

Get real, no one revolves around what you have to say. Always trying to argue over the net.
yeah, it

[Wave Master]

Hey if you think that everyone that looks at you thinks your illegal then that's your personal problem really not anyone else's.

Meh so what if the american's took texas it's how the world works in the past and present. Spain beat the indgenous people in Central America. Then the people took it back. Spain went to Philippines did the same thing but then they get kicked out then the American's tried it and then they get kicked out. Same with most of the other countries. It's how it works those who are willing to fite will keep going.

Can you find jobs that can't work there because of the amount of workers. With an increase in population there will be a decrease in the amount of hours that people work (not a bad thing) but then that gives people less money because they have to pay all the other people to work, which is bad, unless there is a great decrease in prices for everything, which is good. Here comes the bad parts, jobs would be harder to get because of the amount in people that apply for it, a rise of taxes to pay for most things, education, and blah blah blah. Agricultural resources would soon go down because of top soil, prices would escalate, since U.S. makes alot of the food that is sent to other countries the money that comes from import taxes there has to be a balance somewhere. As of right now the U.S. can't do it unless the relations with Canada, Mexico are balanced. U.S. is trying to balance the cost of living in Mexico and other countries so that people won't have to come here for work instead they can stay where they came from.

Hell if you can find a way that makes everyone happy the go for it but can't find a way too bad


oh and here's the site for the amount of people can come into any country
Immigration Act of 1990
PDF format
http://uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/IMM99text.pdf

[dominicankid098]

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Me get a life? buddy you stay online in this forum more than anyone else does. Look at my join date and my post count. Now observe yours. Yep. Somehow you managed to score over 1500 posts in 4 months. Got alot of time in your hands don't ya? You stay online so long god knows what you even do with your hands. I just got about 1100 posts in about 3 years. What are you trying to do? Race iplay2win for the spamming title? Who needs to get a life? You do Mr. "I THINK I KNOW IT ALL".

yeah, it’s called debating you hypocrit. You KNOW that’s what I’m good at, and you KNOW I have speech & debate as a class, this helps me prepare for the tournaments.

No I wouldn't know that you have speech and debate classes simply because no one gives a crap about your life.

Why don’t YOU get a life, instead of “arguing with others over the net”

Who's arguing? Are you arguing? LMAO! OMG, YOU KIDS TAKE EVERY INTERNET THING TO THE HEART. It is time for you to take that "chill pill" you were talking about before. GROW UP! 2 years from now you are going to be thinking "I actually wasted my time debating on a online forum".

Sorry, but I didn't come here to debate nor did I thought it was a debate. Just simply read the first post and replied my personal opinion. Online debating is loserish, just like yourself.

BTW: thread #2 you’ve ruined.

=)

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Funny thing is that you never answered my question:

Got anything else better to do besides sitting your ass down trying to debate than actually trying to make a difference?

I guess your answer is NO. Online debates such as this one are all talk but no action done. You talk about how things should be but you never did anything to make a difference. You are on a very slow pace in your life.

Anyways, whateva you say I will reply later on, got to keep researching on my stock investments.

Final Statement (for now atleast): *Plays Hate Me Nowby Nas*:

You can hate me now.. but I won't stop now..
Cause I can't stop now.. you can hate me now..
but I won't stop now.. cause I can't stop now..
You can hate me now.. you can hate me NOWWWW..

*dUUUN DUNDUNDUNDUN dunnnnnn!*
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BTW: WAVEMASTER. I was looking for that link. Thank you!



Edited By dominicankid098 on 1098169232

[asshole]

Actually to be honest.. My views are.. This is nobodies land.. It's Earth itself. If someone wants to go to a different coutnry, let them, as long as they Pay for it and do it tha right way.

And for ILLEGAL Aliens..? That'.. I don't know.. they're doing illegal poop, so they KNOW they're tha bad guy. but if they have enough money to get them a ticket to tha USA, then let them come in.. without any questions or Problems!



And all you American suPPorters.. learn your facts before you tyPe!

[XxEl_PeCaDoRxX]

Meh...look @ my p0st count.

[Angel-Eyes]

[color=#000000][quote]italian or somthin.....not one ofus. (personally, I also think he was a fool)

really?

[MorpheusX]

its evident, a suspect since i became a resident.. //
its me against the government, all becuz of da' president //
im messagin' these messages from texas to Republicans //
they say the pigment of my skin in cases are irrelavant //
the HELL it is, im hella pissed - they screwin' ova' Mexicanz //
im tellin' them these jealous men aint bein' fair with hispanic men //
A white-man trend ? No- Racist men, hatin' them for every-thing //
Every sin us "spics" commit is no different then white man's sh!t //
but White-man's pissed cuz mexicanz takin' jobs for less than them //
bless them then.. they blinded fools - and they know not what they do //
then again.. they ignite duels - and they show us hatred too //
Hate dem' dudz', da' racist onez - that track us and harass our kind //
MasterMinds are Neutral minded and plus they know wrong from right //
Stop both kinds from taking sides, we aint no differnent deep inside //
realize that hatred lies in people that jus hate they lives //
they dont even know what the f*** they hatin' about me //
all they know is we da' biggest minority and surrounding //
over crowding the U.S of america with a quickness //
Racists' better quote this, " I AINT OFFENDED AND I WONT QUIT THIS" //

.....keystylez....bitch

Holdin' it down fo' that $outh$ide... =)

@Dominican ...dumbass you were gone for like what 2 years you just came back not to long ago so most ya damn posts are from a couple months ago...and you can ask DMX your on the forum 24/7 then i ask tekken does ur bro have a life?? ...he is like he just leaves the computer on while he is on the forum..:S



Edited By MorpheusX on 1098214915

[chadwickton]

i think illegal immigrants should be checked till there is nothing more to check on their backgrounds. I mean the thought of people coming to american and not even being questioned, and living in america and going on with everyday life is pretty screwed up. I mean people should earn the right to be a citizen instead of barging into the country and starting over.

Now on history terms many civilizations were taking over or adapted to the superior countries. The Spanish got mexico and florida, later on the English go into China and start trade, the English go into India and give them technology but anger them by taxing.And the U.S. went to Japan and gave them technology but really didnt try and settle down or take any land.

Basically immigration was taken regularly when Ellis Island and all those places were operating. but as we went on immigration occured less . However it was sorta different after World War II ,and Vietnam. Japanese americans were takening to what the government called" relocation camps" where they were kept because america had a stereotype that all japanese people were spies etc. After Vietnam , many people from South Vietnam fled to america because the communists took over. However when they came many americans had a similiar view on them like the Japanese americans during world war II. People come to america, to escape violence, lack of jobs, or just the freedom in america.

[SSJDan]

can someone tell me what is meant by "illegal immigrant" and "green card"

[MegaManX34]

Mexican make da ###in economy :) without us it would be da great depression all ova... :laugh: and americans are just bitchin bout how how us mexicans are takin all da jobs cuz da ###in americans are just 2 LAZY us mexicans are hard workers biatches :cool: lets just say we are goin to be runnin things :buttrock:



Edited By MegaManX34 on 1098228019

[raddaman0628]

True, immigrants should come here without needing a greencard or any kind of bolony *not to say a badword*. My family came here from Mexico legally. Still even if they were unlegal I still think other should have a chance. We work more! Let me ask you this who's 60 year old grampa works as a mechanic? The war is the one to blame for having less money. While the other rich people bought their matha-trucking cars and stuff, the poor got poorer. Oh and VF has more posts than you dominican kid at least he makes a good point and is sometimes helps you unlike that Iplay2win thats just posts poop.
Oh and btw I live in texas

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]Hey if you think that everyone that looks at you thinks your illegal then that's your personal problem really not anyone else's.
no, that

[Angel-Eyes]

[quote:post_uid0="Virtual Fighter"][color=#000000]If you really had a social life, you wouldn

[Virtual Fighter]

MS word > word count, amigo.

[SSJDan]

can one of you tell me how or why someone is considered an illegal imigrant in the states and how they get a green card and what the green card does?

I need to know this stuff before i can post anything about.

[TarkanX]

[color=#000000]I'm just going to quote everything I see, just to get into this discussion.

-They'll take up so many jobs that other people might want to have.

but they do it better and for lower wages, which is what a CEO wants. A CEO would rather have someone as an employee being paid less and working harder than an American that is complaining about "Dey tookr' jibs".


-They'll of course start getting homes ( which i dont blame them, they do need a roof over there head.)but other than that what if some immigrant takes the home of what your family always wanted and they just come and they take it, or any other homes ( not by force i mean, paying actually )

Who cares? There are other homes, besides, to live in a home you've always wanted (which is assumed to be a good home), you need lots of money, something illegal immigrants most likely don't have.


- what if they'll cause problems in the community that they will be staying at ? you never know what might happen.

This will always happen with any culture, heck, did you know that White Americans cause the highest crime in terms of paying for damages?


- thats why they have Green Cards.

Where is that laughing smilie?


YEAH! lets just make it easier for them to smuggle even more drugs.

And let blue collar crimes cause much damage so that people have to pay even more, economically, physically, and emotionally or mentally.


btw the pilgrims that settled here came over because their king was forcing his religion on them.

And what happened after they settled in the Americas? They forced their religion on to each other and then we know the rest.


after thats what were all about.....spreading freedom

As free as America likes to advertise itself as, the term is used too friviously. If we were "free", then I can be "free" to steal and so on.


Not only that, but an illegal immigrant is 9/10 times (la times statistic) to be rejected to any job when there is a citizen applicant around.

I believe that is true, but mainly because of they might be "illegal", if they were legeal citizens who would work more for less pay, they would easily get the job. By the way, where did you get that stat from?


[quote]And we don

[Angel-Eyes]

"chirstepher collumbu" (lmao) was like italian or somthin.....not one ofus. (personally, I also think he was a fool)


He is still European, which is considered to be "White". He was a fool for not seeing the crimes he commited to be inhumane, the way you say that he is a fool, we must all be fools.
let me correct myself....

I think christopher columbus was a stupid man.....he had the knowledge of a seaman and a mapmaker......thats it

basically he made alot of stupid genralizations.

[Virtual Fighter]

scratch seaman.

he did think this was the east indeas, after all. (duh, thats why he called them indians)

can one of you tell me how or why someone is considered an illegal imigrant in the states and how they get a green card and what the green card does?

I need to know this stuff before i can post anything about.

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if you come into the country illegally, meaning you jump the border, (when i say jump, i actualy mean swim, jump, run, hide) and start their new lives.

green cards are things you get if you came here illegally, and married a citizen. making you a "Resident".

that is the easiest way to get the green cards, but there are other ways.

[TarkanX]

can one of you tell me how or why someone is considered an illegal imigrant in the states and how they get a green card and what the green card does?

When someone wasn't born in the U.S. (so they obviously migrated into the U.S.) and doesn't have any form of a U.S. citizenship and/or a green card. I forgot how you get a green card (I believe it's from the government when you try to file something to the U.S. for citizenship recognition, but a green card tells you that you are a legal U.S. citizen that has came from another country.

[SSJDan]

ok i think i get it, more similar to canada than i thought.

ok so if your an illegal immigrant can you still get a job, own a home and so on and do you pay taxes?

I think that they way it works whether people want to believe it or not it is like this. If you want a state to protect\govern\allow you to have rights, you have to become a citizen. In essence the state/country and the individual must meet halfway both agreeing on certain terms.

For example: the governemt will enforce law, give you rights, protect those rights and so on, in return the citizen or person wanting to become a citizen must follow the set rules of that society, i think also the individual has to be productive in that society as well.The individual has to have a job pay taxes.

I think what it comes down to is that if the individual and the government don't establish the rules and meet half halfway the individual in essence has no rights or protection and the government losses the productivity that that person can add to the whole.


The question now is this, if the illegal immigrant doesn't meet half way regardless of the reason, should the government uphold any part of its end of the deal?

[Virtual Fighter]

The question now is this, if the illegal immigrant doesn't meet half way regardless of the reason, should the government uphold any part of its end of the deal?
no.

but does the government really hold it's part? (strickly speeking for america ofcourse)

i mean, we have racist cops running around beating people for their skin color. we have fire fighters who say "if you're black, i wont do my job" (prior to the LA riots), we have judges who are OPENLY RACIST, and only get noted on their record, not fired.

what does the government really give you if you become a citizen? i dont really see any form of "protection" that isnt already offered to everybody.

the only thing i can think of, is you have the opportunity to get a better job. some jobs do require you to be a citizen, but other than that, basically nothign.

(i might be over simplifying, correct me if i'm wrong.)

in many cases, it doesnt matter if you're legal, citizen, or illegal, people are gonna treat you badly. and it isnt because you're a bad person, eigther. sometimes it is because of reasons beyond your control.

now, i'll ask a question:

do you not think it fare for the government to open its doors to immigrants, after doing so much bad things to them?
(killing of indians, stealing of land, wars, ect)

[SSJDan]

what does the government really give you if you become a citizen? i dont really see any form of "protection" that isnt already offered to everybody.

The government provides the backbone infastructure of any nation. From the military to a highway being built. The government in power also has control over how the criminal justice system in the country works.

Think about it like this lets say you have a country and the leader has a militeristic approach.

Based on the idea that military might makes right. So right of the bat you'd have a country with a powerhouse for a military. The societie could also change to values that agree/encourage more military might. By societies values i understand and agree with the fact that not everyone will agree with what this leader is doing, what i mean is that concensus or the majority will be with this leader. The point im trying to make is that the government provides us with physical necessities and protection from people taking advantage of the fact that these physical things are necessities, like a monopoly in a market place. Perhaps even more important is the fact that the government can potentially shape the concensus' opinions to agree with their own giving them the ability to become more militeristic in this case.

For example theres the universal declaration of human rights.(Has to with rights of liberty, life, security of the person, to be free of toture and so on.) In canada if the governent tries to pass any legislation that infringes on any of the human rights the legislation is immediately tossed away by the courts, but thats because parliment has given the courts the power to do this. but when Sadaam was in power he must of forgot to read the universal declaration, the courts were not given the same power, so he could do what ever he wanted.

This above paragraph is full of flaws based on assumptions though, i was only trying to show how a government has the chance to shape the nation.


The government(through a democratic system at least) represent what the concensus value. The laws and services that the government provides are then also reflected by the people. You wouldn't vote for someone whos policies you didnt agree with.

I hope some of this made sense... i prolly goofed it up some where lol.


do you not think it fare for the government to (i think you ment to put a 'not' hear) open its doors to immigrants, after doing so much bad things to them?
(killing of indians, stealing of land, wars, ect)

so im assuming the question is asking "do you think it fare for the goverment to not open its doors to immigrants, after doing so much bad things to them?"

If the government simply says no because of stereotypes or unproven fears then how can anyone say it is fair.



My answer would have to be that as long as both parties agree to the terms there is no reason to not allow anyone into the country(other than an over population issue, which isn;t an issue in america or canada), part of agreeing to the terms would have to be some kind of process to becoming a citizen. I don't know how long it takes to get a green card or become an american citizen.

I also know about a refugee status that people can get but the system is messed up when it comes to refugee status at least in canada. I remember reading about this article a lady from africa came to canada with her kids hoping to be allowed refugee status, she was denied, she made an appeal but im not to sure what happened, though chances are she was sent back. From waht i recall she was fleeing her country because she claimed she was being raped/harrased/totured by soldiers, i also think a soldier murdered her husband, she also claimed that if she returned to her country she would probably be shuned, or stoned.

My parents for example aren't considered to be canadian citizens, they have this card i can't remember what its called but the card must be renewed around every fifth year or so, they aren't illegal so they get some rights but they can't vote in any elections whether it is federal, provincial or municpal. I find it kinda of funny though cause they been here since they were 20 and there like 50 now. They spent most of their life here.

hoped i answered the question to your liking.

This must be my longest post ever

[Restavega]

Illegal immigrants should remain illegal and that's that. The US is not a parking lot with an endless capacity. If your parked here illegally, you get towed. :cheesy:

BOOOOOORN IN THE USA!! :cheesy:

[MEGA_DRACOS_XRL]

UMM MEXICAN ROOCK ESSPECIALLY THEIR WOMEN IF YOU SEE A MEXICAN WOMAN IN YO HOOD U BETTER TELL ME FIRST AND U'LL HERE ABOUT IT LATA

[Virtual Fighter]

Illegal immigrants should remain illegal and that's that. The US is not a parking lot with an endless capacity. If your parked here illegally, you get towed.

BOOOOOORN IN THE USA!!

just like the indian should have "towed" the white mans' asses out fo the parking lot, right?

[Windarossa]

Illegal immigrants should remain illegal and that's that. The US is not a parking lot with an endless capacity. If your parked here illegally, you get towed.

BOOOOOORN IN THE USA!!

just like the indian should have "towed" the white mans' asses out fo the parking lot, right?
Virtch, your full of hot air. You don't know the facts and are basing this all on opinion. Besides, the Indians were too primitive to have tow trucks.

BOOOOOORN IN THE US...SR!!!! :cheesy:

[Virtual Fighter]

how the hell is this all oppinion?

its all logic and facts.

i'm not the one "full of hot air". i would say you, but i dont want restevega bugging me 24/7 asking me to appologize.

check my posts, you will clearly see some facts and logic.

and oppinion, but thats a given.

oh, and maddox has this to say:

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart


oh, and you DO know that bruce springsting wrote "born in the USA" as a sarcastic ploy to what people like you call patriotism?

which is kind of ironic, when you think about it.

[Angel-Eyes]

how about this

people should not immigrate illegally......just for overall security reasons

if they really need to get into america for whatever reason, they should take the time to do it properly


if an illegal immigrant is caught or discovered, he should be pointed in the way so that he can legally become a citizen.

(that is unless they're hanin out in the US messin with drugs, and dont try to tell me that it doesnt happen....)

[asshole]

Mermaids are Sea-Sluts!!!

[Windarossa]

Mermaids are Sea-Sluts!!!
I agree! :sly:

[Ludacris]

My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish!
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians

[Windarossa]

My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish!
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians
These debates and discussions always lead to race and problems.

[Virtual Fighter]

from who?

all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights.

[Windarossa]

from who?

all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights.
Your steering your own topic off topic.

[Virtual Fighter]

no, it's very much on topic. the topic about racism in america is closley related to this.

and plus, i was just saying that because you came out of no where claiming this topic leads to racial tenssion.

which is true, but the only was to deffuse tenssion is to.. well, deffuse it. and isntead of keeping it in the blue, talking about it is much better.

[DA_VIPA]

atleast you dont have a political party obsessed with getting all foreigners out the country in america. *national front*

all powerfull countries are fliping made that way because of foreigners. especially america the people you had working it for you wernt even willing to do it,you got africans to slave for you and you took everything from them. and then you tell em to get out!? lmao a nice slap to the face huh.

[SSJDan]

My people was first on this land biatch. So all yall can get da hell out, yes I can actually say go back to England or Europe. Coming over here trying to run ish!
so U indian? well true that blacks were there before too but the first ones were the indians
These debates and discussions always lead to race and problems.
like tarken already said even if a canadian illegally enters america he/she is an illegal immigrant regardless if he/she is black/white/asian/german/indian and so on.

People make it an issue of race. Maybe its the only way they can justify anything.

[KenDaShoto]

hey i have a question is our perception of race accurate
i thought the humans were a race not black white or whatever u maybe
the race people speak of is really a social class not an actual race(and guess whos at the top)
and also i think immigration laws are neccessary or all people would over crowd crowded areas like america because ya we have jobs land space and what not so people are all going to come here or england or any other place with a good economy and living space but i do believe they are to harsh

[SSJDan]

this is from dictionary.com for a definition of race.

A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.

A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

A genealogical line; a lineage.
Humans considered as a group.

Biology.
An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.

A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.

A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

immigration laws are a form of population control.

[Windarossa]

Illegal immigration and black & white have nothing to do with each other Virch. We weren't talking about race we were talking about laws and regulations. You seem as if you are trying to insult one race while honoring another. I don't really care about all that race stuff but you wouldn't want someone coming here and starting a fight because you were disrespecting there race. And these kind of discussions always lead to that.

[Restavega]

Illegal immigration and black & white have nothing to do with each other Virch. We weren't talking about race we were talking about laws and regulations. You seem as if you are trying to insult one race while honoring another. I don't really care about all that race stuff but you wouldn't want someone coming here and starting a fight because you were disrespecting there race. And these kind of discussions always lead to that.
Well put, Wind.

Virtual Fighter is taking this topic into a ditch. Let him...

[blaze985]

from who?

all i know is the problemt he white community presents when they exclude a race fromg getting equal rights.

VF, please don't even dare go into the whole "White people are racist" crap when other races have proven themselves to be just as racist...

Furthermore, illegal immigrants don't belong in the U.S. It isn't very hard to go to the government and become a citizen. If you don't do things the right way, then you deserve to be punished for it. When people take a prescription drug without... a prescription, they get punished for it. If you live in America without proper citizenship papers and crap, you should be punished for it. Oh, and about the whole Indian thing... First of all, many people befriended the Indians. Yes, many didn't, but many did as well. I won't lie and say we did the Indians any favors because we didn't. but, in addition, the Indians had no national government. They had tribes, sure, but nothing so concrete that citizenship was required.

Edit for spelling...



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[American_Badass]

[color=#32CD32:post_uid2]They eat all the money.Like those ppl who make more babies then they have money for......And they talk bout how hard therye life is they sit around on there lazy ass and drink booze from foodstamps.........i say stop flipen screwing..
*pimp slap* get offur obese ass and work bitch work!
Like the rest ofus and stop living off welfare! Act ur age![/color:post_uid2]

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]We weren't talking about race we were talking about laws and regulations. You seem as if you are trying to insult one race while honoring another.
it IS about race. As some of you have already stated, like dominicankid for example,

[ZeroEna]

There is nothing wrong with people who come and are willing to work the problem is than a portion of them come here and do nothing but before you try to contradic me listen to what I have to say my Dad works with U.S. Customs or now as the idiot in the oval office has assimilated them into The Department of Homeland Security anyway, and he knows the truth, I know the truth, that being that while there are people who immigrate for work there are those that only immigrate over and do nothing as well, but by that same moral they're no different in logic from an american born citisen who is unproductive; what I belive should be done is the creation of a policy that allows people to immigrate on a temperary basis, requiring that they can maintain a steady job and contrubute to society, in which case after a period they can be given full citizenship. On that same note however, for those that wish to immigrate but fail to contibute by any means to contrubute to the country in any way to be deported back to their homw county. I belice if we had something like this in effect the problem of illegal imigration could be resolved if not treated by any means.

[Windarossa]

[color=#810541:post_uid11]Zero, they already have that. Its called a Visa! Look at this site! http://travel.state.gov/visa/index.html Now read the second paragraph! They already have all of that. America is doing the best it can and thats that!!

Virch posted that he wanted to hear our thoughts and opinions, while all he has been doing is ridiculing them. He pushes his idealism on our opinions trying so hard to show that his believes and his alone are the right once! You don't want a compromise you want it the way you want it and everyone else is wrong!

Well, Who are you to decide what is right for this country? And who are you to point fingers at what race does what? Do you have some sort of a University degree on socioeconomics? Are you a college professor who knows the real facts and details? I don't think so!

And don't you even try to say that "the white community" is flipping up. I don't see the black,hespanic etc. communities sitting down and trying to work it out! All of our communities are on their toes ready to fight and I believe its because of people like you VF. You have managed to turn this whole topic into a racial issue!? You and you alone had the power to stop this. Don't even try to say that others started by mentioning the indians because you were the only one saying black and white.

You know what Virch, if you are so displeased with America... If this country pisses you off this much and you simply hate all of this "racism" and unjust treatment than leave! No one is holding you down with ropes and chains. THAT! Is the beauty of this country! You can do whatever the ### you want!

You will never EVER change the laws of this country!! It is the way it is for a reason!! And nothing will change that fact!

I can't believe that your poor mother had to struggle so hard to bring YOU hear, while all you've managed to do is complain! I don't think your mom cared about how much racism and hate existed here. All she cared about was getting YOU a better life! And I'm guessing if she struggled as hard as she did to come here than where ever she came from was exceptionally worse!

Why do you think we even have illegal immigrants in this country? HUHH!! If this country is so bad than why is every one trying to come here!? Kiss the ground you walk on! Shut your mouth! And thank The lord all mighty that you were blessed with the opportunity to step foot on this great land! Because many would KILL to be in your position![/color:post_uid11]

[imported_G]

Indians
dont you mean native americans?

[blaze985]

VF, stop being a moron. I said NATIONAL Government. Indians didn't have NATIONAL Governments. Try going to Government class, and if you've taken it or are taking it, listen better next time. Tribes are NOT National Governments. They had local governments similar to what cities/states have now. Illegal Immigration is a NATIONAL Government thing. Furthermore, it is wrong for them to come here and be 'illegal.' Why? You say "and want to do things the right way." 98% of the time (a statistic from psychiatrists, Christian teaching professors, and secular (that means non-Christian) pfoessors) you're doing exactly what it is you want to do. If that means not getting your papers, that's what it means. Thus, they don't want to do things the right way. And, getting papers is a way to keep track of our citizens so that terrorists don't come here and attack us from the inside.

[_dmx_]

I was watching this movie with cheech and chong where 1 of them went to mexico and he tried different things to go across border.. Trust me legal way is the best way....

[Cable2k2]

all i know is that yall need to stop takin all of Mexicos flu vaccines greedy bastards :p

[_dmx_]

Terrorist will use it well if there was illegal immigration....

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]Virch posted that he wanted to hear our thoughts and opinions, while all he has been doing is ridiculing them.
oh please, don

[_dmx_]

Who they hell would bring a crack head to sleep in their house..
lmao...

[Virtual Fighter]

Crack head?

thats a stereotype.

did you know that MOST (from what i've seen) of homeless people have a mental disability? they are eigther crazy, mentally retarded, or have other disabilities. these people shouldnt be in the street, they should be getting help, but if you have a mental disability, you only know the streets, and have no family, where do you get the idea that there is a place to help you?


oh, and i fyou like the cheech and chong movies, i strongly suggest you whatch "Born in East LA"

it much relates to this subject, it's about cheech marin who gets caught by the INS, even though he is a citizen. They question him, and when they ask "Who is the president of the united sates?" he replies (the correct answer was ronald raygon) "That guy that was in the movies... the cowboy... uhh... John Wane!"

so, they sent him to mexico, wrongly. he had to work to pay a coyote and meats freinds, a girlfreind, and some OTMs. (long story XD)

VERY funny. VERY good, and very much closley related to this subject.

[Angel-Eyes]

yeah that is a really funny movie......I doubt its as realistic as you presume though.

[_dmx_]

What so hmm a crack head gets invited to sleep in your house.. you wake up with no tv,dvd player game system etc, food GONE and he is no where in sight..=/

[Virtual Fighter]

thats pretty cynical.

Homeless people are people too.

saying they are "crack heads, they steal and they are no good" is nothing but a stereotype.


kester: i dont really know anything in the movie that is farfetched. for something to happen to one person and be so funny is sort of exadurated, but things like that erally happen.

[_dmx_]

Yes they are people but my house aint no homeless shelter...

[Windarossa]

Your comparing yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. and the President...

Go out on the street, holding up signs, and setting up rallies would be one of the two... but your sitting on your computer chanting this on a gaming forum... yeah... That's very Martin Luther King Jr.ish of you!

Your making such a big difference in the world right now Virch. Pat yourself on the back. All the poor are fed and everyone in the projects is happily ever after.

I guess the people finally began to take your pink font seriously! :laugh:

Thanks for the banner!

I'm outta here!



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[Virtual Fighter]

that isnt the topic at hand.

forget i even brought it up.

EDIT: in reply to DWX 's stuff about homelessness.


Your comparing yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. and the President...
yes, because unlike others, i dont think we are doing the right thing. and like them, I SAY THINGS ABOUT IT.

Go out on the street, holding up signs, and setting up rallies would be one of the two...
haha, thats funny, BECAUSE I DO! i've been to many anti-war rallies, and even was a speeker at a mecha rally to raise awarness against shwartzenager's education plan.

the only way i can get my feelings out to the WORLD instead of east LA is to talk about it here. I could go out and say stuff nation wide, but just like martain, i would get my head beaten in by ghestapo like cop tactics.

Virch
I'm trying really hard right now not to cuss you the flip out. i've tld you before, dont call me virch.

Pat yourself on the back. All the poor are fed and everyone in the projects is happily ever after.
awsome. i feel so proud of myself. especially since i'm the polar oppposite of you. :cool:

I guess the people finally began to take your pink font seriously!
what's that supposed to mean?

again- trying really hard not to cuss you out.

Thanks for the banner!
no, thank you for wearing it.

I'm outta here!
thank goodness.

take restevega with you.



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[blaze985]

All this thread amounts to is a bunch of articulately formed flames that go along with the topic. Face it, illegal immigrants are considered illegal by everyone. Republicans and Democrats both agree that they are bad. They both say the other doesn't do enough to stop it, but they both agree that illegal immigration needs to be stopped. Considering they have professional people who are smarter than both ofus telling them the why's, where's, when's, how's, etc. of why they're bad, they're obviously something America should fight against.

[Virtual Fighter]

[color=#F660AB]Face it, illegal immigrants are considered illegal by everyone. Republicans and Democrats both agree that they are bad.
No, we all agree it is ILLEGAL, and possibly

[MorpheusX]

White people are really stupid, they are lazy, half them don't work, they live off the damn gorvernment. Yet you argue about illegal immigrants coming over

quote from Blaze
It isn't very hard to go to the government and become a citizen.

Yes it is, Half your own damn citizens couldn't pass the test if ya'll took it. And to become a citizen first you have to be a resident. Now this about VISA you think you can just go to the government and everyone will be given a visa..bullsh!t.

At one time yall didn't like African American people for you stupidity right?? Well now after a couple years yall are getting along. The same is going for hispanics, Maybe people that live in Tx., Nm., Az., Ca....don't see much racist againt hispanics , but have yall dumbasses been to Va., Wv., Nc., places in the north?? Dominated by white people and blacks?? No right??



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[Virtual Fighter]

^^ most of what you say is just stereotype.

if we ever want to over come, we mustn't blindingly point fingers.