What do u think bout free music to dl bad or good? - Music

[Evil-Ryu-Goki-]

What do you think about gettin free music online. I knoe it's all good for you guys but then think about all the music artists out there who make the song and got nomoney for there songs i knoe i would be pissed. Then again if youdo not like the artist and he only has one good song you like i think free music d/l is fine, but if youdownload like a whole CD for free thats a lil messed up wouldent u say... Anyways i think it is all good for us but then again i feel for the musci artists =(.

[MasterX05]

Have u ever seen the Southpark epsiode when they get busted for downloading music? You should really see it. And it shows that it is a good thing.

[Evil-Ryu-Goki-]

haha sry i dont watch south park but yea i guess it is good

[m0u5y]

ok put it this way. when was the last time someone got arrested for copying a tape or recording a program? sure they should go after the mass sharers but people who only download, like recording a movie or a song, should be exempt.

Free music downloading is no different than theft. You are taking something without paying for it.

Evil-Ryu-Goki, to say that music downloading is bad except if you just want one song or something is hypocritical. That is no different from going into a candy store and saying "hmm....here is a bag of mixed candy. I don't like the Baby Ruths, the Snickers or the Milky Ways, but I do want the Reeses Peanut Butter Cups," and then stealing only the Peanut Butter Cups. Stealing is still stealing...whether it's just one thing or a lot of things. You're stealing music without paying for it, and it's wrong.

[m0u5y]

are you stealing movies by recording them? do you own a tvo, vcr, dvd recorder or ne thing else? did you ever lend a game to someone that needs no cd and have them install it on their pc? have you ever liked a song off the radio and recorded it to tape? then they also should be considered theft. the thing is, when it comes to me, i really dont care cuz i really dont download music cuz i really dont listen to any, and what if someone is downloadin a movie for example and just wants a copy to back up what they have? is it legal for someone to rip their dvd? the software might be illegal but i've heard nothing about the act of. just as one can back up a tape one should have the right of backing up a song or dvd. if you consider this just data then the whole freedom of info thingy comes into play. there will always be a fine line between legal and illegal. for example, any anime that has not yet been bought by an american company can be legally fansubbed and downloaded. its just that the defenition of copyright infringement is so vague. i mean, hey if you use a char of a manga and make your own, doushinji for ex, the creators would be only honored... he he he actually i wonder what the p2p policy is in japan lol. anyway, i just think its hypoctritical for them to make downloadin' illegal when tv and vcrs arent.

[m0u5y]

ps
anywho, its not like they're steelin money from the poor unknown artists eh? i mean, i bet brittney spears and nsync have enough money (that is if they didnt spend it on crack) to live a nice n cumphy life. it also makes the concept of mp3 players kinda dumb lol. guess what they were meant for... not the 90 cent songs they offer today lol.



Edited By m0u5y on Mar. 20 2004 at 01:18

[alamgir]

I think its good. I mean filesharing should be fine, people have music and they are allowing other people to download music of them via the net, using programs such s kazaa. PLus the artists get payed enough from the CD's that do get sold and through being on TV. PLus i don't think famous people should get so much money when there are so many poor people dieing out there.

[vx_unicom]

Free music downloading is no different than theft. You are taking something without paying for it.

Evil-Ryu-Goki, to say that music downloading is bad except if you just want one song or something is hypocritical. That is no different from going into a candy store and saying "hmm....here is a bag of mixed candy. I don't like the Baby Ruths, the Snickers or the Milky Ways, but I do want the Reeses Peanut Butter Cups," and then stealing only the Peanut Butter Cups. Stealing is still stealing...whether it's just one thing or a lot of things. You're stealing music without paying for it, and it's wrong.
LOL........true but people don't care they just download!!! :laughlong:

[Elena]

Free music downloading is no different than theft. You are taking something without paying for it.

Evil-Ryu-Goki, to say that music downloading is bad except if you just want one song or something is hypocritical. That is no different from going into a candy store and saying "hmm....here is a bag of mixed candy. I don't like the Baby Ruths, the Snickers or the Milky Ways, but I do want the Reeses Peanut Butter Cups," and then stealing only the Peanut Butter Cups. Stealing is still stealing...whether it's just one thing or a lot of things. You're stealing music without paying for it, and it's wrong.
LOL........true but people don't care they just download!!! :laughlong:
...But that is not the point of this topic. The point of this topic is if it is good or bad.

I think yes it is bad. While Britney Spears and J. Timberlake are rich. It is not fair to them. They take all this time to make a cd and no one goes out to buy it. Instead they download it offline. And btw it is not only Britney or Justin that get paid for the Cd. There is also the cd maker. The Studio people. The photographers. The mic people. The caterers. Even her limo driver. So when you download music off the internet illegally then you are not only ripping off Britney. You are also ripping off the 'little people'.

Oh and if the everyone did start downloading stuff off the internet for free. Then sooner or later we would run out of artist.

[machine1]

it sucks for the music artists but its good for me... im cheap and never have money... so i just download and burn the songs onto a cd....

[m0u5y]

the prices for cds are outrageous. now if they actually keep the prices reasonable i MIGHT buy one... hey and many of these singers do really suck live lol. the thing is they're going after the ones who massively share so yeah. i dont download music unless its from japan. and really, we know that the ones complaining are the artist with their billions. now i've been doing this all my life, and i feel that if you actually have a talent or whatever and can produce music, movies, cartoons, whatever, the point should be to like the job and not the money. sucks when the incentive is always money. and anywho, they will soon be replaced by singing robots.

[Elena]

Well, maybe the prices wouldn't be so high if ppl stop file sharing. And downloading music illegally.

[Evil-Ryu-Goki-]

Thats could be true but hey i geuss we will nevere knoe will we..

[Evil-Blanka]

Free music downloading is no different than theft. You are taking something without paying for it.

Evil-Ryu-Goki, to say that music downloading is bad except if you just want one song or something is hypocritical. That is no different from going into a candy store and saying "hmm....here is a bag of mixed candy. I don't like the Baby Ruths, the Snickers or the Milky Ways, but I do want the Reeses Peanut Butter Cups," and then stealing only the Peanut Butter Cups. Stealing is still stealing...whether it's just one thing or a lot of things. You're stealing music without paying for it, and it's wrong.
um no you are wrong kazaa is a free music download site



Edited By Evil-Blanka on Mar. 21 2004 at 19:05

[Evil-Ryu-Goki-]

Haha Kazaa is under federal security and is goin to ethier start charging ppl or be shut down man read up on it trust me.

[PSYCHO]

it dont makes artists directly poorer when u d-load cuz they dont sell the albums the cd stores would get poor cuz they buy the albums and they have to sell them so.
its good to dl music.

[RyusRevenge]

downloading music is "bad", not to mention illegal, but that wont stop me doing it unless all the file sharing sites start to charge to use their service, what can i say im a naughty boy :D

[party_gurl]

downloading music is "bad", not to mention illegal, but that wont stop me doing it unless all the file sharing sites start to charge to use their service, what can i say im a naughty boy :D
lmao ...its bad but some people dont care about the people who makes the cd and the artice ans so on... they jus want the songs but the bad part is that someone can go on yur fileand download dat to and so on .... so the people lose alot of money like whut Elena said they higher the prices because they lose so much money caz of people who illegaly down laod

[Master_Jay]

Well, if youconsider dl music on your computer good then imagine this:

Imagine you are a music artist, and people like your music, but yet, they don't want to purchase your latest CD, so they decide to download it to their computer. And also imagine that this act is LEGAL. How would you feel that the fact that people all over the world are able to access your music without purchasing the CD?

If you don't seem to care then good luck in your future life cause you'll be broke.

Downloading music is illegal and u can be sued for alot of money.... :biggrin:

[m0u5y]

prices are high cuz they are REAL theifs who jack the cd's off the shelves!

[Evil-Ryu-Goki-]

Well how much is a CD going for now?

[Elena]

There is no such thing as a 'real' thief and another. A thief means taking something which does not belong to you. Both of you are thiefs.

check out www.walmart.com for prices.

[akuma_forever]

I think having a few songs downloaded is fine. ( under 10 ) but for the people who have hundreds of songs downloaded, i don't think it is ok.

[m0u5y]

ok, so if you change the extension from mp3 to something different then it no longer is a song. then its legal. data is data. if its not a song then its legal to download. how about that? so what if they start downloading .kfk files? is that ok? ah now if the money instead went to charity, and i mean REAL charity, then maybe it would be worth paying. the rich should not get richer. its as simple as that. The defenition of stealing is To take (the property of another) without right or permission but since one buys a song doesnt that mean its theirs? or are they just buying the right to listen to it? if thats so then the price should be lower, because supposedly when one buys something they own it. if the song is the property of say jane doe, then she should have the right to lend it to a friend. shoudl cdrs and mp3 players be illegal as well? I think all we need is someone to buy a licence, similar to that of a radio broadcaster, and allow people to download for free. ah such a charitable soul that would be... ^_^ well as soon as I get my break i think that's what im gonna do, unless my shopping spree significant other decides to go buy a 50000 dollar tee shirt.

[PSYCHO]

i hate to read all that even tho i think its not bad to dl music =/

[m0u5y]

you wanna see a lot of readin? chek out the religion topic lol. thats a headache.

[Elena]

you wanna see a lot of readin? chek out the religion topic lol. thats a headache.
Which is now closed...bout time too.

[nosoul4evr]

free music to d/l is great!
best thing since peanut butter and pickle sandwiches. :alien:

The only ones that realy seem to complain of free music d/l's are...."Those that have more money then they need, and want more."...wich kinda pisses me off.

Real musicians want to be heard and acknoledged for their talent more so then to make money off of it.
If they can manage to make money off of their music. It makes their talent all the more purposefull and enjoyable for them.
However the general pride of creating music to be heard and enjoyed by themselves and others is generaly reward enough for ones self...or else they'd have given up on learning how to create music.



Edited By nosoul4evr on Mar. 22 2004 at 22:38

[m0u5y]

EXACTLY

[Elena]

WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE PPL.

[m0u5y]

and who dl music from the unkowns?

[SSJDan]

ok, so if you change the extension from mp3 to something different then it no longer is a song. then its legal. data is data. if its not a song then its legal to download. how about that? so what if they start downloading .kfk files? is that ok? ah now if the money instead went to charity, and i mean REAL charity, then maybe it would be worth paying. the rich should not get richer. its as simple as that. The defenition of stealing is To take (the property of another) without right or permission but since one buys a song doesnt that mean its theirs? or are they just buying the right to listen to it? if thats so then the price should be lower, because supposedly when one buys something they own it. if the song is the property of say jane doe, then she should have the right to lend it to a friend. shoudl cdrs and mp3 players be illegal as well? I think all we need is someone to buy a licence, similar to that of a radio broadcaster, and allow people to download for free. ah such a charitable soul that would be... ^_^ well as soon as I get my break i think that's what im gonna do, unless my shopping spree significant other decides to go buy a 50000 dollar tee shirt.
thats like saying it's not okay to steal money but it is fine to steal items that are exchanged for money, like when you buy a car or game, besides data theft is data theft, doesn;t matter what format its in.

[m0u5y]

no im saying its ok to steal money that has been shreaded. and anyway, mp3's are illegal, not txt files. you cant steel random letters can you?



Edited By m0u5y on Mar. 23 2004 at 23:17

[SSJDan]

if data holds any commercial value and you take it without paying for it is illegal. The format of it shouldn't make any difference.

[m0u5y]

yes but a .txt file is not illegal so why should it be wrong? the thing is... were not talking about starving children or charities here... capitalism puts the money in the hands of the ones who already have plenty. if money wasnt important, wouldnt it be better? ok, so what abou those people who dont have enough money to pay for a damn hospital bill that they got because they un-intentionally broke their hip or got pneumonia? until i see the gov pay for medical care, i wont contribute to the getting richer of the rich. the gov shouldnt waste their money on (and there is proof) enough nukes to blow up the earth 6 times if not more. how did i get to this going from music? i dont know...

[SSJDan]

A .txt file can be illegal, if you have very used visual basic before, you can create a .txt file and type information on it, for example let's say you type in employee personal information, you can then use the .txt file as a database so that it can be used in the visual basic program. In that sense since the information is a bit sensitive the .txt file would be illegal to download. You can do the exact same thing with the program access can't remember what the format for that is though. My point is its not the format that is illegal it is the data it carries that can make downloading it illegal.

Here is a bit of info im not 100% sure about this though maybe karma knows more about. I had a discussion about this with one of my professors and he was telling me about how a .mp3 format wasn't even meant for music compression but, i have not been able to confirm this yet.

As for the government spending money on health care in canada they do. It's free for all citizens, all you do is flash your health card and you get treated. You don't even have to be a canadian citizen my parents aren't and they get that luxury as well.

Think about it like this i do agree that we aren't taking from starving children or charities, but at the same time you can't go up to a rich person and mug them because that is against the law, saying that it is ok to download music because the person is rich is exactly like mugging a rich person.


Don't get me wrong i have downloaded music before, what i find funny is that record companies go about this problem in the wrong way....they keep trying to prevent people from downloading, i read in the paper recently that they have cds that have some weird protection on them. This protection makes it hard for a computer to read the cd, but in the paper it said that car cd players and etc had difficulty playing them. Instead of resisting the technology record comepanies should embrace it and use it a best they can....but they probably won't for a while.

Sorry for the long post..i don;t usually make long ones lol :D

[m0u5y]

lol... so if somehow i accidentally enter the right series of symbols and what not and then convert it to mp3 and for some werido reason it comes out to be brittney spears's oops a did it again i should be arrested? What about robin hood? For any protection device there will always be someone to crack it. What about pplz that cant afford cds n stuff?
ok so dl is wrong, so we have to go back to making mix cd's? what a pain! lol

[SSJDan]

lol... so if somehow i accidentally enter the right series of symbols and what not and then convert it to mp3 and for some werido reason it comes out to be brittney spears's oops a did it again i should be arrested?
im not sure if that is even possible, but that would be interesting.

Well see this is why the record labels are really dumb, the one thing they don't seem to understand, is the fact that the reason why the majority of people who download music, download it because they no longer feel that it is worth it to buy a cd, i think when it comes down to it some people want a mixed cd and there are people who still want band albums. If record labels were smart they would do things a bit differently.

[m0u5y]

lol i might just try this symbol thingy... anywho... ill be happy when they come out with the ultimate surround cerebral micro-implant that recieves the song you want, by title n such. ah so its kinda like radio but u control it! so u dont "take" the song u just borrow it for the time listening lol. oh crap, PATENT PENDING!

[vorpal]

Hehe, I think the question is, even though it is bad, will I/we stop doing it.

[m0u5y]

eh, they aint goin after peepz who dl like 10 r 20 songs.. they going for the jack pots like ones who share n dl i mean thousands of files... funny thing is though that i sent this email to my bro's friend lookin like a real you got busted from the fbi or whatever type thing and she deleted all her music b4 she figured it wasnt real lol.

[SSJDan]

Hehe, I think the question is, even though it is bad, will I/we stop doing it.
In order to stop something you need to know why it's being done, people have nowbecome comfortable with getting music from the comfort of there home at the simple click of a button.

[m0u5y]

oh and the fact that is free... yeah, thats a big one.