Helpers getting old... - Always dashing thru...

[SSJKarma]

sorry tmyapp, i just couldn't resist to say it, i know its a lot of work to actually make them do something else... but i was wondering if it was possible to make them do something else then just dashing thru !

i explain myself...
you got hulk, and you got juggernaught !
thing is, they both are sized, both uses only 4 and both have same ranges, to me it is like having clones of the same moves !

so i suggest maybe changing what they actually do to something more like em !

example...
HULK : GAMMA CRUSH (you know his super where he jumps up and comes down with an asteroid in his hands. well do just the last part, he rains down with his asterooids in hands then leaves play.)

JUGGERNAUGHT : fine as he is, i like the head crush move

SAKURA : why not just make her come in, and throw an hadoken towards the air as what she always do when normally throws one.

VENOM : why not change his small byte for his venom byte, you know when he transform into some kind of liquid doggy and flys thru the screen in an arc way !

CAPT. AMERICA : could do his STARS AND STRIPES move instead of dashing in. you know the move where he does an upercut with his shield.

SHUMA GORATH : well i don't know what he could do for now... don't have any idea's for him.

SPIRAL : fine as she is.

PSYLOCKE : fine too...

GUILE : right now he is fine as he is. you truly upgraded him and its cool.

for the rest i don't know...
so what do you think of this ? can it be possible to do during this year ?

[gameboymaster]

[color=#00 f f:post_uid7]Whoa. That is cooool. About the Sakura thing..Why not make her do that realy cool uppercut? :sly:[/color:post_uid7]

[ZEROne_]

sweet i deas karma but i think capt. america should keep his charging star but insted of just dashing through he should be able to block or go throw projectiles and still be able to hit the enemy for ex: if ryu does a shin hadoken he would block yur char and go right through and hit ryu.

[Angel-Eyes]

hulk's gamma crush would have to be toned WAY down..........in mvc2 it takes tons of damage

[LAB~MONSTER]

Those are some really good ideas.

[limbei]

yo the new helpers will definitely bring the game play to a whole new interesting level...

[SSJKarma]

ZEROne, thing is, those are helpers, they can't do more the none move, they aren't playable after all !

thus the capt could only do one move, and since everyone already has a dash in move, i thought di ferently and wondered about an anti-air move !

this way people could have helpers who can help them in more situations then just dashing in and missing the guy who stays in the air at all times !

thus the stars and stripes move is better for that !

[Evil-Blanka]

Whoa. That is cooool. About the Sakura thing..Why not make her do that realy cool uppercut? :sly:
well juggernaut has well dont have a lot of moves basicly juggernaut sucks realy he does i played marve|vscapcom2 and he realy did suck he only had 2 moves and 1 super that things where he did the ground thing and when he did that super smash and his super was that head crush thing but still good i dea

[raddaman0628]

That is sakura's uppercut except it is suposed to hit and do an uppercut. A litle shinku hadouken would be good only if it was more diagnoal. So would a hulk doing a gamma crush. Those are good ideas. All the new helpers ae horizontal exept for the new guile and cody, maybe camy hitting you and do a kind ofuppercut "Cannon Spike" :confused: . Shouldn't gen stun and hit? Would we ever get answers :confused: ?

[Vash]

Yeah SSJKarma those are some good ideas you planned.

[Orlando0]

Whoa. That is cooool. About the Sakura thing..Why not make her do that realy cool uppercut? :sly:
well juggernaut has well dont have a lot of moves basicly juggernaut sucks realy he does i played marve|vscapcom2 and he realy did suck he only had 2 moves and 1 super that things where he did the ground thing and when he did that super smash and his super was that head crush thing but still good i dea
Juggernaut sucks? HAHA, what a laugh. Ahem Juggy is hard to use and he's pretty slow, but he can do quite a lot of damage and Head crush Hyper shows.
He has more than two moves you know
Juggernaut punch, earthquake, body slam and Power-up

Anyway back on topic. Karma's right there are too many dashing helpers now. I'm liking those helpers.



Edited By Orlando0 on 1093716031

[GameMaster55]

good ideas, what do you guys think about if the Helpers did a littile combos of there own they dont have to be really powerful, just a littile combo will do for example: CAPT. America has that combo that he used in marve| vs Capcom you could use it as a small combo...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/Realpimpster/America123.jpg

[estset]

Juggerent and Hulk is the same but hulk is slower:) Anyway it good idea good:)

[TMyApp]

i dont' know... that's quite a bit of work :biggrin:

[EvilAkuma]

^^ if youcan show me some sprite i'm might search for some to make it easy

[lilkrisd]

TMyapp when are u going to add bison since hes already picked to be sfo's new character

[mysticken]

yeh and maybe gen cud do sumthin like this instead http://www.SkyCache.com/img/gen.gif

[BMXX]

I say that Guile could use some work. So instead of Sonic Boom (boring), why not flash kick 3x's. The super Sonic Boom stays because the Sonic Boom takes forever. Just like Venom, he needs venom byte going through screen. I just say Venom and Guile needs changes. Hulk does need gamma crush because his Gamma charge is just like Jugg's Head Crush. I don't think a move like Juggernut punch will work with Jugg.

Mysticken: if that's the case, Vega would be good with that move. Gen needs another thing like... some rapid punch he does.

but here's what I think that should work.

Dr. Doom:
Have the rocks protect you then have them moved to attack your opponent. (Like MvsC 2)

Guile:
Flash kick 3x's.

Hulk:
Gamma crush. (as SSJ said)

Psylocke:
Kochou Gakure
or stays regular.

Sakura:
Aerial Haduken. (two fireballs)

Spiral:
Those knives around her and throws them at you
or stays regular.

Venom:
A mini death byte.

Cammy:
Cannon Spike
or stays regular.

Gen:
Rapid punch
or stays regular.

Capt'n America:
Stars and Stripes
Sheild Slash
or stays.



Edited By BMXX on 1094245688

[mysticken]

i no wot u mean with gen like this http://www.SkyCache.com/img/gen1.gif

[raddaman0628]

Well I can make some gifs if you want them, but I make them with mugen and emulators.

[MasterX05]

No dont even think of changing gen he is fine the way he is. The one who needs to be changed is <span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>VENOUM!!!</span> Plz TMy I beg ofu.

[Ikuzo]

sorry tmyapp, i just couldn't resist to say it, i know its a lot of work to actually make them do something else... but i was wondering if it was possible to make them do something else then just dashing thru !

i explain myself...
you got hulk, and you got juggernaught !
thing is, they both are sized, both uses only 4 and both have same ranges, to me it is like having clones of the same moves !

so i suggest maybe changing what they actually do to something more like em !

example...
HULK : GAMMA CRUSH (you know his super where he jumps up and comes down with an asteroid in his hands. well do just the last part, he rains down with his asterooids in hands then leaves play.)

JUGGERNAUGHT : fine as he is, i like the head crush move

SAKURA : why not just make her come in, and throw an hadoken towards the air as what she always do when normally throws one.

VENOM : why not change his small byte for his venom byte, you know when he transform into some kind of liquid doggy and flys thru the screen in an arc way !

CAPT. AMERICA : could do his STARS AND STRIPES move instead of dashing in. you know the move where he does an upercut with his shield.

SHUMA GORATH : well i don't know what he could do for now... don't have any idea's for him.

SPIRAL : fine as she is.

PSYLOCKE : fine too...

GUILE : right now he is fine as he is. you truly upgraded him and its cool.

for the rest i don't know...
so what do you think of this ? can it be possible to do during this year ?
SSJKarama, I'm gonna have to argue with this one here. Tymapp is very busy with other stuff you see even if he wanted to work on this request it would take him an year to do it beacuse he get's so much traffic VIP Payments,Problems,Bills,Server and ect.

Also, The Charlie Helper is way too strong I mean you know how much damage that thing does even if you block, Not to include gay Cody's helper how much it does. Also the game isn't about helper's SSJ. It's about Front up 1ON1,2VS2,2VS1 PVP.

[alamgir]

Well I think SSJ knows that. And trust me I doubt it'll take a year. If we do get these helpers we'll probably get them after all the major updates take place.

[SSJKarma]

first : you think i am not aware that tmyapp is busy ? thing is.... he say he will consider it after TLF ! and that i answered that i didn't wanted him to do them right away. i know how it is to program and i know how busy he is. also, tell me where you see me asking them for now or even for next year ? i don't remember saying anything in the sort of what you just said. i remember saying it was an IDEA !

second : these idea's is to bring the gameing of this already popular game to a next level, and to bring it to a next level it means taking things already in and changing them so the gameplay may be more accurate and fun !

how many times have you fought against spidey lately ?
probably not much since you seem to not understand that nohelper can stop his attacks since no helpers can touch airborn fighters ! thus he can stay in the air all the fight and you would need to super jump against him and that all the time, but there s one thing you never seen since you probably never jump that much, and that is the super jump lock. thus i know exactly why we need helpers who hit airborn not just horinzontally !

third: tell since when are helpers taking out as much damage as their real counterpart move ? just answer that one, you seem to think the helpers depending on their moves will just as much damage since the moves chosen are supposed to be supers. yet you forget to notice that they are helpers ! not playable charaters. of course they won't do much damage, they aren't meant for it anyway !

fourth :gameplay... ok tell which gameplay you speak of, since i see more ####s then ever ####s who all they can do is SUPER JUMP, WEB BALL WEB BALL WEB BALL, SPIDEY KICK, SPIDEY KICK, WEB BALL WEB BALL, SUPER JUMP reapeat the whole process, and there is nothing much you can do about it. you gotta super jump to get the guy and believe me, i am strong with sentinel yet sentinel is getting kicked easily agaoinst spidey, same goes for any other charcaters i played against him !

also you speak about skills, but a true warrior here needs the helkpers to attack and to make his defense, since there is no way for you to hide the fact that helpers are now part of the gameplay.

since they are part of it, you might as well improve them !

as for taking a whole year to make all helpers, well changing a move can take him around 2 weeks to change it... since he don't need much to do of it, its one stupid move, he just have to rip the sprites, do some collision boxes and and make sure the guy falls right where he is supposed to. even i could work that fast and i am one of the slowest geek alive !

now since he got lots on his hands, with bugs and the likes, i calculated around 4 months to change them all, not more then that. and yeah he knows that i am right on this since i remember him making a certain topic saying he also had enough of these horinzontal helpers !

now tell me, do you really think, right now that i don't know what i am talking about ?

[pip99]

i dont' know... that's quite a bit of work :biggrin:
Yeah


you gotta be pratical aswell i like helpers that zoom out cause it stops specials.

Guile normal is pretty much useless v a good user.



Edited By pip99 on 1094395409

[~Mastermax~]

instead of changing the helpers why don't u just fix it so that players 2 can choose helpers, instead of just player one only.

[estset]

Fixing helper is the same as getting new helper like new guile it true I think we should make new hulk, new juggerenut, new cammy, new venome, new sakuara and more. So we get new instead of old.

[alamgir]

No, he meant fix it so that player 2 can select their helper, which is a pain in the ass when ur behind a router since your always player 2.

[~Mastermax~]

No, he meant fix it so that player 2 can select their helper, which is a pain in the ass when ur behind a router since your always player 2.
yeah, it only seems to work if you choose a helper that would give you onsluaght.

[estset]

No, he meant fix it so that player 2 can select their helper, which is a pain in the ass when ur behind a router since your always player 2.
I not talking about his topic.

[~Mastermax~]

No, he meant fix it so that player 2 can select their helper, which is a pain in the ass when ur behind a router since your always player 2.
I not talking about his topic.
well then what were you talking about? :sly:

[estset]

No, he meant fix it so that player 2 can select their helper, which is a pain in the ass when ur behind a router since your always player 2.
I not talking about his topic.
well then what were you talking about? :sly:
I got it from no where I just made it.

[pip99]

instead of changing the helpers why don't u just fix it so that players 2 can choose helpers, instead of just player one only.
Yeah thats a huge problem i was just mentioned it to sajin player 2 can never pick his helper why is this?

No1s ever brought that up...

[DA_VIPA]

some things were not ment to be..

[pip99]

How much better would it be vipa....

[SSJKarma]

answer to that helper bug...
its been found a lot of months ago, actually ever since they first appeared on screen, but in the likes of actually 2 years of being, no one ever cared to ask tmyapp to correct that bug, thus TMyApp never actually tryed to, since nobody seemed to care !

as simple as that.
BTW, fixinf them is a good thing, but having all 11 helpers doing the same thing is just looking too stupid, tell me what is new in an helper who will most likely dot he same as the others ecckept that he'll have more or less using times ?

nothing... it may be new, but its the same as others. no, i say we need more practical helpers !
helpers for different situations.

ANTI-AIR ones for air-born fighters
ANTI-PROJECTILES for projectile barrage situation.
etc...
more type of helpers, having more choices in a good thing since the helpers will actually nowbe included int he strategie of everyone and since some helpers will prevent certain type of actions to happen, people will need to be more creative in their strategies, which in my opponion will bring the gameplay to a whole new level !

[MasterX05]

In my new helper poll. I had Rose to come out and hold her scarfup blocking out any projectile moves. And Jun and Juli would appear and swap energy bars.

Newer Helper poll (http://nferno666.sytes.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10307)



Edited By MasterX05 on 1094496583

[~Mastermax~]

i made a thread about it a long time ago i think, but people flamed me and said that it's not true :down:

[raddaman0628]

answer to that helper bug...
its been found a lot of months ago, actually ever since they first appeared on screen, but in the likes of actually 2 years of being, no one ever cared to ask tmyapp to correct that bug, thus TMyApp never actually tryed to, since nobody seemed to care !

as simple as that.
BTW, fixinf them is a good thing, but having all 11 helpers doing the same thing is just looking too stupid, tell me what is new in an helper who will most likely dot he same as the others eckept that he'll have more or less using times ?

nothing... it may be new, but its the same as others. no, i say we need more practical helpers !
helpers for different situations.

ANTI-AIR ones for air-born fighters
ANTI-PROJECTILES for projectile barrage situation.
etc...
more type of helpers, having more choices in a good thing since the helpers will actually nowbe included int he strategie of everyone and since some helpers will prevent certain type of actions to happen, people will need to be more creative in their strategies, which in my opponion will bring the gameplay to a whole new level !
Like in in marve| vs Capcom 2 you can choose anti-air type etc.? Like the helper sakura when you pick hera table comes up that says helper type. It could show Anti-air, Anti-projectile, or dash type. Indash type she would be normal in anti-air she would do a shinkuhadouken and anti projectile she could do a charged fire ball that bloks projectiles? Just an idea tough.

[chadwickton]

I got 1 ,Sagat. He could do his Tiger Knee move(an anti air move) , or one of his anti air moves would be new.

[SSJKarma]

[color=#FF0000]nah, that truly would take him forever to create !

i meant changing the moves we already have to something else, something more in the lines of different character styles !

as in different moves which has different effect !
example, SPIRAL teleports you while juggy head crush thru the screen !

by choosing one helper besides the other would actually make people use different helpers !
as in now all chooses juggy or hulk or maybe blanka for he they have a high ammount of helpers and they are almost capable of defeating any players...
yet no helpers can get a flying character like sp

[chadwickton]

thats true the Tiger Knee move would probably be complicated to make but idk it would put a change.

(Goes back in mind) You knowbalrog could probably play a helper but he'd just be another run across screen. As i remember didn't balrog have a move that was complicated to do(as in hard to press the buttons on the controller in the pattern) that would do like a K.O. damage? (i dont use Balrog much , so sue me)

if some1 knows what i'm saying gladly take it from there

[Angel-Eyes]

[color=#000F22]anti air helper- dr.doom

he could do that attack where he shoots out like 15 pink laser beams in multiple directions......

that should knock sp

[tyronebiggums2]

the ideas re very very coolhttp://www.google.com/chunscared.jpg

[RyusRevenge]

[color=#000000]well i did propose vertical helpers which would come from the air down into the ground, which would be useful against sp

[YokoX2.0]

i like your idea karma i say with e.honda he comes up and does his multy-punch and go away.:cool:

[MasterGrim]

I know helpers are old but check the Bison and Cody