Should we need shockwave to play sfo - I cant play sfo cause of that

[~Shin-Akuma~]

cmon mods and nwos do something about shockwave i cant play sfo casue of that...cant u do something so that we wont need ShockWave to ply SFO!!!!!!!!!!................

[alamgir]

SFO is a shockwave game. Download the latest version if you want to play.

[~Shin-Akuma~]

lol change that then make it a Java Player Game

[alamgir]

The game runs on shockwave, not Java. And TMyApp (the creator of this game) won't change it for the sake of one person who isn't bothered to download shockwave

[Angel-Eyes]

well eventually it needs to be changed if we want to reduce lag

[Jin^Kazama]

Why is it you refuse to download shockwave or you can't get it to download???

[alamgir]

well eventually it needs to be changed if we want to reduce lag
Yeah but I doubt changing from shockwave to something else will help too much. Lag will always be a problem.

[Dark_Paladin_X]

alamgir is right...no matter what the case, lag will be around. and what is the problem with shockwave, its not hard to download.
here, ill even give u the link

Shockwave Download Site (http://sdc.shockwave.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?)

to be honest, i don't understand why it's such a problem. I say, just download it and done with..lol

[SSJKarma]

Might be because TMYAPP only knows SHOCKWAVE, have you ever thought of that dude ?

as simple as it might be for you, its not as easy and believe me to make even the very first game... it took him around a year !
so porting it to something else considering that shockwave is like too different from any other engine, it would take him another year or even more just to port the thing to something as hard to understand as the C/C++ engine ! cause yeah java is C/C++ !

hope this answer will be better for you to understand then the simple no you got !
BTW, kester... if you didn't understand what LAG is really then do some research ont he forum or even go to senshuk if its still online, the answer to lag is there and you'll find that even the biggest online game ever created will have lag whatever the engine you use !

...short description...
LAG = the time the data takes to get from computer to the other all the way back and forth !

thus lag isn't your computer nor the program... its mainly the time it takes the data to get fromt he network all the way to your opponent and come back to you !

consider as a person making a travel, that travel isn't instant, it takes time to go from one place to the other ! that is lag !

[Restavega]

Might be because TMYAPP only knows SHOCKWAVE, have you ever thought of that dude ?

as simple as it might be for you, its not as easy and believe me to make even the very first game... it took him around a year !
so porting it to something else considering that shockwave is like too different from any other engine, it would take him another year or even more just to port the thing to something as hard to understand as the C/C++ engine ! cause yeah java is C/C++ !

hope this answer will be better for you to understand then the simple no you got !
BTW, kester... if you didn't understand what LAG is really then do some research ont he forum or even go to senshuk if its still online, the answer to lag is there and you'll find that even the biggest online game ever created will have lag whatever the engine you use !

...short description...
LAG = the time the data takes to get from computer to the other all the way back and forth !

thus lag isn't your computer nor the program... its mainly the time it takes the data to get fromt he network all the way to your opponent and come back to you !

consider as a person making a travel, that travel isn't instant, it takes time to go from one place to the other ! that is lag !
You tell 'em, Karma.

I'm sure TMyApp looks at all the convenient possibilities to make things right so if the game's engine is Shockwave then that's the way to go.

btw, fascinating banner, SSJ... 10/10!

[alamgir]

Might be because TMYAPP only knows SHOCKWAVE, have you ever thought of that dude ?

as simple as it might be for you, its not as easy and believe me to make even the very first game... it took him around a year !
so porting it to something else considering that shockwave is like too different from any other engine, it would take him another year or even more just to port the thing to something as hard to understand as the C/C++ engine ! cause yeah java is C/C++ !

hope this answer will be better for you to understand then the simple no you got !
BTW, kester... if you didn't understand what LAG is really then do some research ont he forum or even go to senshuk if its still online, the answer to lag is there and you'll find that even the biggest online game ever created will have lag whatever the engine you use !

...short description...
LAG = the time the data takes to get from computer to the other all the way back and forth !

thus lag isn't your computer nor the program... its mainly the time it takes the data to get fromt he network all the way to your opponent and come back to you !

consider as a person making a travel, that travel isn't instant, it takes time to go from one place to the other ! that is lag !
But lag can be improved right?

[Dark_Paladin_X]

lol....Karma has spoken....

and lag can be improved over time, it just has to do with better internet connections, speeds and improved players (i.e. shockwave).

In a way, it all ties in together. When they all egt an upgrade, we would notice better gameplay.

[thedesktops]

SSJ is right, I'm a programmer and I only know the BlitzBasic language. No one is not perfect! Java is much slower than Java anyway!

[TMyApp]

*sigh*.. i don't even know where to start to comment on the "errors" of this thread...

(where is good'ol 2000warrior when i need him ?? ) :biggrin:

Oh god.. Karma. He of little faith :(.

Anyone who complains about this game being in shockwave: Honestly, is it that hard to download the latest version?? What's the damn difference between having to go to sun.com for u're download or macromedia?? Right now, there is little java has over shockwave in terms of ability to make an online game (other than the fact that java's more popular than shockwave for some reason).

kester-: The reason we have so much lag in here doesn't have as much to do with the fact that we're running on shockwave than the fact that we can't afford the kind of servers/fast internet u'd expect to see from Bungie (and by "we" I'm referring to the players of the game).

SSJKarma: God... um.. it's not because he doesn't know those languages. If you've ever looked at some programing langauges, you'd know that most of them look about the same. That goes for Java, C++, DirectX, and most everything else out there. Honestly, you should get to know TMyApp a bit before talking about the limitations of his programing abilities. He's been programing for quite some time now, and had he wanted to, he could have made this game in Java, or Flash, or some other language to make it a bit crappier.

And cyberfuturism hosts everyone's game?? Dear god no. Everyone's game is hosted on their own computers (hence the term "host game"). If you challenge somebody and they accept, you're hosting. If you join a hosted game, then whoever's server u joined is hosting on their computer.

alamgir: Yes and no. Yes, it can be improved by our servers... if we had [ insert some random rich corporation's ] funding behind us, we could just host all the games on the site and provide insane amounts of bandwidth. No, it can't be improved because the amount of lag you experience is directly associated with your own internet connection.

In case anyone's still wondering why TMyApp chose to write this game in Shockwave, it's because of the afore mentioned statements: Shockwave allows the players of the game to host matches on their own computers. That way sfo isn't bogged down with hosting matches and nobody gets a "server unavailable" message when they go to sfo.

I think that answers most of the comments/questions in this thread that wern't answered.. or misanswered.

[alamgir]

Damn are you and TMyApp connected?

[TMyApp]

2000warrior: thank you :biggrin:

This man is my exact double! ...it has a puffy tail !! :biggrin:

[Dark_Paladin_X]

oh wow...there's so much about programming that i don't have a clue on.

could sure use a tutor..lol

[blanka09]

More than a tutor. You need Loads of classes :biggrin:

So before this topic gets locked and I swallow the key, anyone else with some questions on why we actually need shockwave to play the game ??

[~Shin-Akuma~]

TMyApp and 2000warrior u see i cant download shockwave casue i have windows XP and my bro owns the comp so he he didn't make me the administrator. so i cant download it casue i need to be administrator to download...there has to be an another way to play sfo

[blanka09]

um.. Not really. There is absolutely NO other way to play SFO. It's a shockwave game, therefore you can NOT play the game without shockwave. It's kinda like driving a car without it's engine. Can that ever be possible ?? :biggrin:

[EvilAkuma]

TMyApp and 2000warrior u see i cant download shockwave casue i have windows XP and my bro owns the comp so he he didn't make me the administrator. so i cant download it casue i need to be administrator to download...there has to be an another way to play sfo
-_-', i have XP and i'm the only administrator on the PC. When my brother "`EvilLink`" is on his account, he didn't need to ask me to activate his shockwave in order to play. Once the administrator of the PC install it, it goes through all files on each account. There will be some files that say. "Would you like to install to every account" or Install it to your own file" Unless your brother went to your account and remove shockwave him-self. Ask your brother to download it on his account so it will be activated on your account

[SSJKarma]

i can't believe 2000 that you told me that.
i know that those languages are all connected and very similar, i am a programmer myself, for whom do you take me, an idiot ?

as for him, well its not because you know a language that you are volunteer to learn the others, there's like more then 20 lanaguages in all ! do you really want to learn them all ?
i was just expressing a vision he probably didn't thought of i didn't mean to say tmyapp knew only that and unlike you who think tmyapp's a god, i know he isn't ! i know he has his limitations just like you and i and i barely said that MAYBE, you know what the word MAYBE means don't you ? MAYBE he didn't k####etter then shockwave !