View Full Version : Shotokhan people - Who should be the next shotokhan?
demonsofakuma
08-03-2002, 05:25 PM
DAMMIT I HATE SPIDERMAN!
:angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire: :vampv:
TarkanX
08-03-2002, 05:39 PM
I'd rather have Spider than a dumb ass low tier shoto.
1) Guy isn't a shoto....
2) Not ALL shoto's are low tiers...
PARADISE-X
08-03-2002, 05:58 PM
Like Roll said Guy is not a shot. so isnt Sakura.She's just a wannabe a ryu(dont belive me go check sfalpha the movie)
TarkanX
08-03-2002, 05:59 PM
Well it's true not all shoto's are low tier.
MvC2
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Ken: almost top 3rd tier
Sakura: middle 3rd tier
Ryu: bottom 3rd tier
Akuma: bottom 3rd tier or top 4th tier
Dan: lowest tier
PARADISE-X
08-03-2002, 06:03 PM
What the hell are u talking about
TarkanX
08-03-2002, 06:25 PM
Nothing you'll ever know
akuma_forever
08-03-2002, 06:30 PM
AKUMA!!!
SSJKarma
08-03-2002, 09:12 PM
TIERS are like RANKS...
THEY DONT PROVE ANYTHING !
if your good with a char then he is above the other tier for you...
the way you placed them in TarkanX, is YOUR point of view not mine !
i see shotos high above the other chars...
Tantum
08-03-2002, 09:39 PM
Ken is, and always has been the best Shoto...i think if TMy wants to add a shoto, Ken should be next, Akuma is too much like Ryu.
Personally, even though Ken is my favorite character...
I think TMy should add another 2-3 chars before putting Ken in the game... 2-3 W/O counting spidey... i'd like to see... Gambit, Cammy, and Magneto... the game is too laggy to put Rogue, or Sabertooth in yet.
after those three...
Ken, Charlie, Iceman, Juggernaught, Storm. and i think Akuma should be one of the last characters added to the game. i like akuma, but TMy would not be able to put in raging demon, not in this lag, it would never work.. you could never land it.
TarkanX
08-03-2002, 10:07 PM
TIERS are like RANKS...
THEY DONT PROVE ANYTHING !
if your good with a char then he is above the other tier for you...
the way you placed them in TarkanX, is YOUR point of view not mine !
i see shotos high above the other chars...
Tiers just don't mean ranks, tiers is placed on how much a character dominates. Roll and Dan or lowest tier because they don't dominate at all....
It's not like if you stick a newbie Cable player vs the greatest Dan player, it's about how much a character dominates.
Shoto's aren't top tier, and that is a fact, you might think shoto's are the best, but you haven't fiercely tried out the other characters as the shotos, maybe you should think about that for a while....
By the way if you want the tier list:
MvC2:
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Great Top Tier(in no particular order):
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Magneto
Sentinel
Storm
Cable
Middle Top tier:
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Strider/Doom
Spiral
Dr Doom
Strider
Low Top tier:
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Black Heart
Iron Man(he could be considered very top of 2nd tier or last of top tier)
DX Zero
08-03-2002, 10:07 PM
i dont like shotos much in MVC2
except for Dan and Akuma.. but Akuma has no defense..
But Dan... hes Unpredictable, so that pretty much makes him the best shoto :D
princevegetam
08-04-2002, 08:35 AM
mm.. i like akuma and ken cause i'm good with them. sakura, i'm okay with. akuma isn't too bad. but i love ken's shinryuken. that move is probrably one of my favourite move in xmvssf. it's useful against gambit users who jump all over the place. plus, it looks cool. yep, that shinryuken attack is good, i like using it(even if i always miss, lol).
[quote:post_uid4="PARADISE-X"]Like Roll said Guy is not a shot. so isnt Sakura.She's just a wannabe a ryu(dont belive me go check sfalpha the movie)[/quote:post_uid4]
I've seen SFAlpha the movie, and she's not a 'wannabe' ryu. She just started fighting because of Ryu. but if that makes her a wannabe.. then... *coughseancough* :sigh:
SSJKarma
08-04-2002, 09:48 AM
that exactly what i said TarkanX.
you just prove me that what i said is true !
your top tiers for MvsC2 are the chars that YOU prey for !
Magneto = isn't it you that wanted the most that he was the next char ?
storm = againt you wanted her so much !
stop saying tiers are good cause if i play with DAN HIBIKI and YOU play with magneto, i can still whoop your ass ! so like i said there is no particular tiers, just better player !
and for your guess I HATE PLAYING THE SAME CHAR TWICE !
so YESSSSSS ! I PLAYED ALL THE CHARS IN MvsC2 !
there is only 1 char i could play alot and that is servbot !
but it seems that my friends don't like the tiny one !
PARADISE-X
08-04-2002, 03:01 PM
Very funny Roll :lol: ,Sean was trained by Ken,the way of shotokan.Sakura doesnt know "the way of shotokan"lol.Shes looked at Ryu moves, thats it.She didnt learned anything.
I use to do shotokan (not that fun)and u aff to do the right position
TarkanX
08-04-2002, 04:57 PM
Okay understand this
Tier means how much a characters dominates
Rank means where your placed
Let's say if I were fighting back in the day(during ToC1), against McBeth when he was in 1st place... who would win in a best of 5 match?
rank only means where your placed, not how well you dominate, theres a really huge difference.
SSJKarma
08-04-2002, 06:22 PM
i never said it was same as ranks, i said "LIKE" ranks. as in, ranks doesn't mean anything... someone who is 1st can be beaten by someone who is 10000th. same goes for tiers, people can beat someone who is real good with MAGNETO and still get beaten by someone who use DAN !
tiers aren't something that can be use for everyone cause everyone make their own tiers depending on how they play and on how they know the chars !
you say magneto is in top tiers... in my place i see it in lower tiers cause i cant seems to be able to play with him ! like i said, i have as much chance to dominate all the others with DAN then you with magneto... it is all a question of view ! and nothing else !
Troy88
08-04-2002, 06:44 PM
Tarkan, you need to lose this obsession with "tiers." There is no way that you could possibly prove this theory, ever. Even if you were to take statistics from tournaments on who the finalists use, that proves nothing. Some of the best players don't even participate in tournaments, or even go to the arcades, for that matter. In fact, some of the best players probably sit around at home and practice insane combos on their Dreamcast all day and all night. But you'd never know it, would you? For all you know, they might very well be able to beat Magneto or Sentinal with ease, with one of the characters you consider to be "low tier."
What I find ironic is, most of the characters that you consider to be "high tier," are the ones that most of us regard as cheap (e.g. Storm, Cable). Giving "cheap" an honorable sounding name like "high tier" doesn't change what it is. And if you were truly as good of a player as you try to portray yourself, then you wouldn't need only "high tier" characters in your team, would you? A truly skilled fighter should be able to use everyone equally well. I'm with Karma 100%.
TarkanX
08-04-2002, 06:47 PM
Okay yes a low tier can beat a top tier, that is true, but if you matched up two of the best players in the world, one chooses magneto, the others chooses Dan in a best of 10, the Magneto player would win, that's how tiers are made, how dominant a character is....
TarkanX
08-04-2002, 06:58 PM
Tarkan, you need to lose this obsession with "tiers." There is no way that you could possibly prove this theory, ever. Even if you were to take statistics from tournaments on who the finalists use, that proves nothing. Some of the best players don't even participate in tournaments, or even go to the arcades, for that matter. In fact, some of the best players probably sit around at home and practice insane combos on their Dreamcast all day and all night. But you'd never know it, would you? For all you know, they might very well be able to beat Magneto or Sentinal with ease, with one of the characters you consider to be "low tier."
If they think they were the best players around, they'd prove that wouldn't they... even if there was no arcade in their area, or they had no computers to play ROMS, they could just bring their consoles to other peoples houses. As for now, the characters that I stated are top tier.
What I find ironic is, most of the characters that you consider to be "high tier," are the ones that most of us regard as cheap (e.g. Storm, Cable).
They aren't cheap
Giving "cheap" an honorable sounding name like "high tier" doesn't change what it is. And if you were truly as good of a player as you try to portray yourself, then you wouldn't need only "high tier" characters in your team, would you? A truly skilled fighter should be able to use everyone equally well. I'm with Karma 100%.
*sigh* I do use low tier characters, but only for fun uses, if you were in the national tournament finals in MvC2(particularly evolution 2002), and you were to win 10,000 dollars, wouldn't you use top tier characters?
And besides I use characters that aren't top tier in a real fight, like 2nd tier characters like CapCom, Psylocke, Cammy, War Machine, etc... I also use 3rd tier characters like Ken, and Jin.
TarkanX
08-04-2002, 07:10 PM
I'll explain why top tiers arent cheap:
Magneto: Just play keep away with him/run away from him, and don't get trapped in his rush down, that's the only reason why Magneto is probably the best in the game.
Sentinel: he's a big character so you can just get near him, and make sure he isn't on top of you
Storm: She'll always run away, and try to get you in an infinite, but she lacks defense, she always goes up in the air playing keep away, and traps with you, just get in the air before she does, and don't make a wrong move
Cable: he relies on AHVB so much. So just don't make any wrong moves. Cable does great chip damage, and has an easy guard brake(up, and HP). He always tries to play mind games with you, and always plays keep away, just get near him all the time, and always stay near him.
Spiral: She might seem cheap to everyone, but she can be stopped. Spiral usually teams up with Sent for the Spiral Sent trap which has incredible chip damage. so always play keep away, and watch out for her teleportation.
Dr Doom: He has the best assist in the game, but Dr Doom isn't much of a threat even though he has great supers, and easily gets the super meter up. Fight him like you do other 2nd tier characters
Strider: Strider is a threat just like spiral, he'll use Dr Doom as his partner for the Strider/Doom trap which does the best chip damage. He'll use Oroubus, and then come to you, if you go back, he'll teleport behind you like spiral. play keep away with strider since he doesn't have keep away attacks. He'll always play mind games with you(with his bird, and Doom), so always stay above him.
Black Heart: just fight Black Heart like you do 2nd tier characters, he isn't much of a threat as he used to be
Iron Man: Just fight him like you do War Machine, and watch out for his infinites.
[quote:post_uid4="PARADISE-X"]Very funny Roll :lol: ,Sean was trained by Ken,the way of shotokan.[/quote:post_uid4]
Right... and that happened when/where?
SSJKarma
08-04-2002, 08:28 PM
TarkanX: try and understand US a little, i understand you but i still say that TIERS are something created by people for THEIR POV not YOUR !
it isn't because you saw that moview where the guy was in a tourney and fought with magneto that he has to be third tier ! anyone of us can go in a tournament and use a FAKE char like DAN HIBIKI and win that same tournament !
in a tourney you use the char that you know the most not the char that you don't play at all !
example:
you (TarkanX) and I (SSJKarma) go and fight in a tournaments (MvsC2)... we fought and we both are in final (we beated about 25 opponent each before our fight) then i decide to choose storm and you choose magneto then i get beated for what reason ? i am not that good with her, so i choose DAN HIBIKI (your lowest tier char) i whoop your ass 9/10 times (the first being me with storm)...
now i ask you, who dominated who in this ?
you see that's exactly my point, THERE IS NO TIERS in FIGHTING games, caused it all depend on the player, not the chars !
TarkanX
08-04-2002, 08:48 PM
TarkanX: try and understand US a little, i understand you but i still say that TIERS are something created by people for THEIR POV not YOUR !
I do understand you, but I'm right, and your wrong(somewhat)
it isn't because you saw that moview where the guy was in a tourney and fought with magneto that he has to be third tier ! anyone of us can go in a tournament and use a FAKE char like DAN HIBIKI and win that same tournament !
*sigh* it just isn't watching tournament movies, and going to the arcade seeing people use magneto or cable, it's how much priority a character has. Dan has no special priority, Magneto does, Cables does, Spiral does, Storm does, etc.... Roll doesn't have special priority
It's like CvS2, Sagat is top tier, and he has a lot of priority because of his crouching fierce, just like Blanka, and Vega(clawed spaniard).
in a tourney you use the char that you know the most not the char that you don't play at all !
In a tourney, if you play to win, you use the character that has the best chance of winning.
example:
you (TarkanX) and I (SSJKarma) go and fight in a tournaments (MvsC2)... we fought and we both are in final (we beated about 25 opponent each before our fight) then i decide to choose storm and you choose magneto then i get beated for what reason ? i am not that good with her, so i choose DAN HIBIKI (your lowest tier char) i whoop your ass 9/10 times (the first being me with storm)...
It could happen, but I'm pretty good with Mag, but it could happen(if you were the best Dan player, and I didn't know much about Mag, or I knew a little bit of what Mag has in store against other characters)
you see that's exactly my point, THERE IS NO TIERS in FIGHTING games, caused it all depend on the player, not the chars !
I keep saying this and I'll say it again.
Let's say the best Guile user vs the best Zangief user faced eachother in SF2: TWW, who would win? Guile would win. you know why? Zangief can't do anything about it. Guile does a sonic boom, Zangief jumps, then Guile does a flash kick, Zangief gets knocked down. It'll keep happening like that. Zangief can't beat Guile if Guile keeps doing that, since the sonic boom has good length as a projectile, and the flash kick has great air priority. That's how tiers are used. Not by how much one person has dominance over another, but how much priority the have.
There's no point in going on like this, your not going to listen, let's just end it.....
Edit: I frgot how Zangief had the spnning lariat which he could dodge fireballs, but even if he did have it, Guile would just trip Zangief.
SSJKarma
08-05-2002, 11:14 AM
Have you ever notice how much times it takes to guile to charge is sonic boom ? and is flash kick ? ZANGIEF WILL SIMPLY HAVE ALL THE TIME HE NEED TO ATTACK AND GET CLOSE... it all depends on how you play the chars and you simply saying exactly what i am saying... it's ALL IN THE PLAYERS NOT THE CHARS !
if guile only do that, is it guile who does it, NOOOOO it's the player behind it ! so even if he has priority over anything the char isn't perfect cause there will always be a PLAYER behind it... THERE IS NO BETTER CHARACTERS ONLY BETTER PLAYERS !
now you're right for this... this will never end !
but let me say this and i'll stop talking about it.
YOUR WRONG and I'M RIGHT !
TarkanX
08-05-2002, 04:44 PM
Have you ever notice how much times it takes to guile to charge is sonic boom ? and is flash kick ? ZANGIEF WILL SIMPLY HAVE ALL THE TIME HE NEED TO ATTACK AND GET CLOSE... it all depends on how you play the chars and you simply saying exactly what i am saying... it's ALL IN THE PLAYERS NOT THE CHARS !
I said the best Guile user in the world, the best Guile user in the world will have enough time to charge into a flash kick, even I can do it.
if guile only do that, is it guile who does it, NOOOOO it's the player behind it ! so even if he has priority over anything the char isn't perfect cause there will always be a PLAYER behind it... THERE IS NO BETTER CHARACTERS ONLY BETTER PLAYERS !
it's not worth it....
now you're right for this... this will never end !
but let me say this and i'll stop talking about it.
YOUR WRONG and I'M RIGHT !
...whatever.....
Jhteck29
08-05-2002, 07:38 PM
Summary for confused individuals: this has nothing to do with the topic
Neither shoto should be next b/c they get boring to play with (for me at least). And just for arguments sake, how come top-tier characters are always the most used in the arcades? It's not cause they're the best, it's b/c you can keep away easily or combo easily or use awesome supers. It doesn't predict who will win a match, the tier system, only who chose a character who has some easy way to avoid, combo, etc.
DX Zero
08-05-2002, 08:27 PM
NO I AM RIGHT!
I SAY UR BOTH RIGHT! :lol:
Tarkan, Karma, please stop. It's not that amusing to see the two people I actually look to as forum role models fighting. :(
TarkanX
08-07-2002, 07:12 PM
We aren't fighting, it's a matter of who's right and who's wrong.
crashbomber
08-08-2002, 01:42 AM
HEY HOW COME IM STILL A NEWBIE CAN SOME ONE TELL ME HOW TO BECOME AT LEASE A JUNIOR MEMBER OR SOME THING UMMMMMMMM.....PLZ
Elena
08-08-2002, 07:12 AM
i would just like to say that my head hurts from all that reading and i still dont get it :dontgetit: and i would like to say some thing else when i go to the arcade i dont really see ppl use dan. I see ppl use cyclops, blackheart, mageneto, storm often on the same team, strider,pylocke(misspelt),commando,captain america,Dr.Doom,Rouge and last but not least cammy
Yawl are problaly sleeping by now :sleeping:
crashbomber
08-08-2002, 04:57 PM
UMMMMMMM RYU IS THE BEST OF THE BEST I THINK BUT THATS JUST WHAT I THINK THOUGH.
MasterX05
08-09-2002, 03:55 PM
AKUMA!!!
i guess me and Akuma forever know what we are talking about akuma is the greats shoto and ken is sucky even ryu is better then him ken only has kicks and dragon punch's
AKUMA has everything :sly:
crashbomber
08-09-2002, 08:55 PM
oh i guess akumas the one for the job then ha thats cool
[quote:post_uid4="MasterX05"][quote:post_uid4="akuma_forever"]AKUMA!!![/quote:post_uid4]
i guess me and Akuma forever know what we are talking about akuma is the greats shoto and ken is sucky even ryu is better then him ken only has kicks and dragon punch's
AKUMA has everything :sly:[/quote:post_uid4]
As if...
crashbomber
08-10-2002, 05:32 PM
hey yesssss akumas wining the vote thats great cause akumas the best!!!!!!! :vampv:
MasterX05
08-10-2002, 05:46 PM
AKUMA!!!
i guess me and Akuma forever know what we are talking about akuma is the greats shoto and ken is sucky even ryu is better then him ken only has kicks and dragon punch's
AKUMA has everything :sly:
As if...
what do you mean roll ???
crashbomber
08-10-2002, 06:46 PM
hey
I meant, Akuma does NOT have everything. He has a lot of good moves, I admit, and some great combos, but he isn't better than Ken or Ryu. Ken has focused his fighting style on close combat (Shoryuken) and therefore improved it to the maximum extent. His training in thoses areas gave him advanced speed, defence and comboability. Even though he doesn't get a dark/evil side to him, he doesn't need it, and never will. Ryu has all the moves, though, some are raw and less effective than others. He has nice strength, defence, and Vitality, but not the best speed. He also has an evil side. Sakura has completely raw, but VERY effective attacks. Nice comboability, and speed, and great defence, and she has a dark side. Although, I prefer her normal side. Akuma has almost everything put together, except that the attacks have a pure evil power in them. Thusly, his strength is high, and so is his speed. But his Vitality and defence are lower than some, and they lower his standards. Basically, my point is, is that everyone, including Akuma, has their weakpoints. Akuma's actually hurts a lot of "professional" Akuma players. Sakura having no aerial Hypers hurts the players that use her frequently (like me...). Ken having no projectile hypers hurts all Ryu lovers who want to try Ken. Ryu being slower than some, and having massive recovery lag after certain attacks hurts some people horribly. Akuma's lower defence, some of his attack lag (into and out of), and his range hurt him so...
But still, you be the judge of how you use those disadvantages. (.... some people are able to over come pain and anguish, vanquish their faults, and grasp the light of power. Can you do it? Or will you fail like the many others...?) :sleeping:
* cough * nice speach :) :lol:
* cough * nice speach :) :lol:
??? Are you being sarcastic?
crashbomber
08-10-2002, 09:11 PM
ummmmmm hi :D
*looks at crashbomber* What do you want?
Nice speach Roll :) :lol:
I agree each character has thier own strengths and weaknesses so it will be hard to choose........ :hmmm:
sorry my comp got messed up when I posted so it came up a lot sorry :)
nope not being sarcastic :D
Don't you lie to me! :sarcasm: ;)
DX Zero
08-10-2002, 10:10 PM
I agree each character has thier own strengths and weaknesses so it will be hard to choose........ :hmmm:
:hmmm: thats why i choose Dan :D
Would I lie to Princess garnet til alexandrios ? :D
PS: Final fantasy rocks ! :thumbsup:
[quote:post_uid4="DX Zero"][quote:post_uid4="TJ5"]I agree each character has thier own strengths and weaknesses so it will be hard to choose........ :hmmm:[/quote:post_uid4]
:hmmm: thats why i choose Dan :D[/quote:post_uid4]
Don't think Dan doesn't have weaknesses. He has a *very* low range, a large amount of strength, and an ok speed, but a low defense (but not as low as Akuma's... thank the lord...). Though, Dan does have 5 hypers, all have extreme performance lag, and/or recovery lag. Same goes with all of his special moves. Although, his strength makes up for his range. But seriously, in a world where Cable roams around, he's gonna have to use a lot of technique to live through the battles.... But I'm not saying you're not good with him. Although, I would like to find out. ^.~
crashbomber
08-10-2002, 10:36 PM
i still think all you all are rong and akuma is the ruler of all rulers
crash thats ur opinion and I respect that :plain:
yea right shhhhh crash :lol:
PS: Roll did u see my post b4 ?
Psh.... I wipe out sooo many Akuma players with either Sakura (MvSF) or Roll (MvC2). He's definitely not match for the utterly, overlooked me.
And yes, I saw your post! ^_^ Thanks for recognizing!
I bet I am a very good opponent in MVC2 with my
Gambit - expansion
hayato - recovery or w/e
and ryu - projectile
or ken - expansion
[quote:post_uid4="TJ5"]I bet I am a very good opponent in MVC2 with my
Gambit - expansion
hayato - recovery or w/e
and ryu - projectile
or ken - expansion[/quote:post_uid4]
mine is:
Sakura-Dash/Expansion
Ryu-Anti-Air
Roll-Recovery
I would probably die anywayz I havent played it in a month :(
DX Zero
08-10-2002, 11:29 PM
uh i use to use strider, guile, and some other person
but now i use magneto (capture), sentinal (ground), and dan (antiair) :D
crashbomber
08-10-2002, 11:38 PM
were do i go to play mvc2 tell me please
First, you could write complete sentences. (@_@) and um, you have to go to an arcade, a friends house (who has the game), or you can endlessly search for the game yourself (Like I am) until you buy it for dreamcast.
Gamiac10
08-11-2002, 10:44 AM
First of all you are going completly off topic and second of all my team for MvC2 is...
Ryu- Projectile
Spidey- Capture
Mega Man- Projectile
Third of all the best character to fight Shin Akuma in CvS2 is, unbelivably... Dan with K-groove... the damage you get from S. Akuma goes into the super bar, and Dan's supers are just about [i:post_uid8]the only thing that S. Akuma's weak against[/i:post_uid8]! In fact, Dan's the only char. I beat him with! Fourth of all, a place to find an MvC2 arcade machine is FunTime America. Phew! I can't believe I wrote all that, considering that I hate writing...
DX Zero
08-11-2002, 07:10 PM
LOL ... anywayz.. i dont have mvc2 anymore, my bootleg got messed up by many of my friends and my vmu is missing
now i cant find either of them :(
crashbomber
08-11-2002, 07:42 PM
DO ANY OF YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER GAMES JUST LIKE X MEN VS STREET FIGHT ER ONLINE
Please don't caps, as you don't need too. And there aren't any like this game.
Caps are bad m'kay :hmmm: :lol:
MasterX05
08-11-2002, 09:45 PM
I meant, Akuma does NOT have everything. He has a lot of good moves, I admit, and some great combos, but he isn't better than Ken or Ryu. Ken has focused his fighting style on close combat (Shoryuken) and therefore improved it to the maximum extent. His training in thoses areas gave him advanced speed, defence and comboability. Even though he doesn't get a dark/evil side to him, he doesn't need it, and never will. Ryu has all the moves, though, some are raw and less effective than others. He has nice strength, defence, and Vitality, but not the best speed. He also has an evil side. Sakura has completely raw, but VERY effective attacks. Nice comboability, and speed, and great defence, and she has a dark side. Although, I prefer her normal side. Akuma has almost everything put together, except that the attacks have a pure evil power in them. Thusly, his strength is high, and so is his speed. But his Vitality and defence are lower than some, and they lower his standards. Basically, my point is, is that everyone, including Akuma, has their weakpoints. Akuma's actually hurts a lot of "professional" Akuma players. Sakura having no aerial Hypers hurts the players that use her frequently (like me...). Ken having no projectile hypers hurts all Ryu lovers who want to try Ken. Ryu being slower than some, and having massive recovery lag after certain attacks hurts some people horribly. Akuma's lower defence, some of his attack lag (into and out of), and his range hurt him so...
But still, you be the judge of how you use those disadvantages. (.... some people are able to over come pain and anguish, vanquish their faults, and grasp the light of power. Can you do it? Or will you fail like the many others...?) :sleeping:
My my my u know your stuff roll but when you said he is not better than ken or ryu :lol: come on now Akuma and his brother learned the Shoryken from thier master Goutetsu and he even taught akuma and his brother Gouken 3 deadly moves (not the raging demon) akuma thought it was foolish cause of the fact his ancestors banned it to be ever used again so he went behind ther backs and learned the move during the time akumas brother gouken took on 4 pupils Dan,Ryu,Ken and Retsu dan and retsu left early and since there was only two
(ken,ryu) it was much easier he taught them every thing(except the 3 deadly moves whicth he left out) but thier training came to a dreadfull end when thier master was killed by akuma by using the raging demon (akuma also killed his master Goutetsu with the same move) Ryu,and ken know that Akuma had Mastered (keyword MASTERED) the Shoryken and took in the dark hendou wicth turned him somewhat into a
demon which made him twice as stroung so akuma travels the world for great fighters like ryu he has no need for ken he knows ryu is stroung but is not sure if he should kill him our make him evil even in the move Sreet fighter Alpha he tells him that in order to fight him he must use the dark hendou
so Ryu and ken are no macth for akuma as for sakura who takes ryu as her rolemodle she is like a female version of ryu but still no threat to akuma only ryu is what akuma wants so he is the greatest and has everything :sneaky:
r i g h t.................. :hmmm: :lol: :lol:
I like Rolls speach better ! :lol:
DX Zero
08-11-2002, 11:57 PM
:lol: were not talking about the anime...
anywayz.. Dan did not leave, he was kicked out ! :angry:
Ok now what was the topic again I 4got :lol: j/k
I pick TJ to be the next shotokan person :eh: wait a sec oh there is no TJ I 4got :lol:
DXzero Aka. DXnewbo cause I just call u that no offense lol um whats with the dan stuff ? lol
[quote:post_uid4="MasterX05"]sakura who takes ryu as her rolemodle she is like a female version of ryu but [u:post_uid4]still no threat to akuma[/u:post_uid4] only ryu is what akuma wants so he is the greatest and has everything :sneaky:[/quote:post_uid4]
Ahem... look at the underlined part. Now, since we're talking about the movie, they never made a movie featuring Sakura fighting (I think) and in the game MvsSF, DARK Sakura was teamed up with Gouki (Akuma) as his EQUAL in the secret battle. Sakura is a match for Akuma in CvS, CvS2, Sfa2, Sfa3, MvSF, MvC2... so is everyone else. It just depends on what/who you're playing, and the level of difficulty. But still, Akuma and Sakura aren't very similar, although, she gained the ability to do a raging demon and to transform into her dark form. This was a big impact on the fighting series, because now they had two forms of fighting. With Dark Sakura, you get extremely high strength(Way higher than Akuma's), great comboability, instant (!) Shinkuu Hadouken, good speed, and (like Akuma) Bad vitality and defense. With Normal Sakura, you get moderate of everything except speed, strength and Vitality. Speed is a bit higher, and strength as well. Her vitality is a bit lower than the rest, and is a bad thing, but her ability to go through projectiles made up for that, along with the fact that all her basic attacks can be performed in the air. But Akuma fights that with his aerial Hyper. So basically, Akuma and Sakura are Rivaling in MvSF and MvC2.
MasterX05
08-12-2002, 04:48 PM
u say that dark sukra is in CAPCOM VS SNK or not cause i only saw the regular sukara but if she is and u are right what u said about her then that adds another fighter on my list to kick my friend ass with :corky:
but one question she really did not fight in tthe move but her main goal was to become stroung as ryu and fight him one day so are u saying she is better than ryu? :wow:
Did I say Dark Sakura was in CvS? Oh my... (checks her last reply) wait... no I didn't, wacko! I said SAKURA. Not DARK SAKURA. And I am right about Dark Sakura being more powerful, but losing a lot of her vitality and defence. Even though Dark Sakura has horizontal projectiles, she loses the protection from the ground shouoken.
Street Fighter Alpha 2 & 3 proves that Sakura has bested Ryu in many ways, especially dancing.
PARADISE-X
08-12-2002, 05:33 PM
Did I say Dark Sakura was in CvS? Oh my... (checks her last reply) wait... no I didn't, wacko! I said SAKURA. Not DARK SAKURA. And I am right about Dark Sakura being more powerful, but losing a lot of her vitality and defence. Even though Dark Sakura has horizontal projectiles, she loses the protection from the ground shouoken.
Street Fighter Alpha 2 & 3 proves that Sakura has bested Ryu in many ways, especially dancing.
Oh yeah
MasterX05
08-12-2002, 05:41 PM
well my friend has CvsS2 and i notice sakura but never used her but i am wondering ryu is better than evil ryu to me in the game but is sakura better than dark sakura? oh and thanks for all the info about sakura she seems like a good player i will have to check her out
:corky:
crashbomber
08-12-2002, 05:41 PM
kicks the crap out of tj5
http://www.dbgt.com/images/gifs/clip64.gif
DX Zero
08-12-2002, 06:41 PM
kicks the crap out of tj5
http://www.dbgt.com/images/gifs/clip64.gif
right back at ya! :vampv:
*beats CrashBomber into the ground with a baseball bat*
[img:post_uid4]http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/sakura-bat.gif[/img:post_uid4] Don't pick on my friends!
And you're welcome, X05. Use Sakura well, and she could be the best player in the game...
*Powers up and beams crash bomber and zero and they die *
Read my sig and u know y that happened :hmmm:
Why'd you hit DX Zero? he wasn't attacking you... *knocks out Tj5 with a hadouken* [img:post_uid11]http://www.gamegen.com/fightgen/characters/sakura-fireball.gif[/img:post_uid11]
owch * scratches chest where haduken hit * I needed that :hmmm: :lol: :hmmm:
http://ff8shock.virtulave.net/seifer3.jpg
* anihillator cannon 2 wall * Plz I am sorry 4 making u mad just dont make me do that 2 u :)
(anywayz I wouldnt do that 2 u your my friend)
MasterX05
08-13-2002, 08:06 AM
chrashbomber u lame *charges up thows a hadoeken followed by 2 dragonpunch's
machine1
08-13-2002, 08:08 AM
what is a shotokhan??
MasterX05
08-13-2002, 08:42 AM
ppl who are shotos like akuma,ryu,sakura,ken etc
:rolleyes:
machine1
08-13-2002, 08:51 AM
oh i guess i pick akuma then. :D
pip99
05-12-2003, 07:14 AM
Ken is, and always has been the best Shoto...i think if TMy wants to add a shoto, Ken should be next, Akuma is too much like Ryu.
Personally, even though Ken is my favorite character...
I think TMy should add another 2-3 chars before putting Ken in the game... 2-3 W/O counting spidey... i'd like to see... Gambit, Cammy, and Magneto... the game is too laggy to put Rogue, or Sabertooth in yet.
after those three...
Ken, Charlie, Iceman, Juggernaught, Storm. and i think Akuma should be one of the last characters added to the game. i like akuma, but TMy would not be able to put in raging demon, not in this lag, it would never work.. you could never land it.
u posted that a while ago...and now there is raging demon...and its the other way around u cant dodge it........raging free win demon.
KidKrazyShit
05-12-2003, 09:18 AM
You felt you had to revive a 9 month old topic just to say a few words about RD ???
pip99
05-12-2003, 09:21 AM
You felt you had to revive a 9 month old topic just to say a few words about RD ???
it wernet me....and master shotkon is a fighting stlye...not some1 who just shoots
DA_VIPA
05-12-2003, 09:59 AM
its 9 months old??
da_realX
05-12-2003, 01:05 PM
started august
Dj Quik
05-12-2003, 10:36 PM
yeh sakura is no shotokan just a ryu wannabi :D ....yeh we talkin bout tha real shotokanz........ken and ryu is cool and all that but akuma is tha best shotokan ever..evil ryu is cool 2 but akuma is tha original dark shotokan fighter :angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:
Way to revive an old ass/hackneyed topic there.
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