Hadoken limitations - ..learn some skill.

[nosoul4evr]

Well...you'v read the choices.
You have all seen how the so called "players with skill" actualy play Ryu...

Wich is basicaly to run away from your opponent and type the Hadoken commands as fast as you can.
Thus creating an infinite wall of impassable destruction, and creating a "Lag Shield" greater than Husseins stock pile of Bio Weapons.

If you are a "truly" skilled player and actualy try and play Ryu as a close combat fighter...Then you know exactly what I am talking about, and you'll make the right Vote. ;)



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 17:29

[bloodpack]

well, im partly agree and disagree...

i agree bcoz right from the start (if youll ask me) i really love a NO SUPER fight when im using ryu but there are some ppl who likes to have supers, they say it would take the fight long

i disagree bcoz if youre gonna limit hadokens, then might as well limit optic blast, kikou shou, sentinel beam, etc...

[AfterMath]

same here....ive been complained at but if your a truely skilled player then you will be able to get out of the hadouken barrage......Null vote

[Toon-Ryu]

well, im partly agree and disagree...

i agree bcoz right from the start (if youll ask me) i really love a NO SUPER fight when im using ryu but there are some ppl who likes to have supers, they say it would take the fight long

i disagree bcoz if youre gonna limit hadokens, then might as well limit optic blast, kikou shou, sentinel beam, etc...
Agreed basically that's how I get killed. Sentinel Beam optic blast, beserker barrage(not the super). :(

[pip99]

....hmm u ##### smart lagger...lags your advantage....speed player like me..thats our advantage..u fool.u big big fool.u wanna make the game even unfairrer.....people like me who dont lag...hit you and #### never loads...so we have 2 keep hitting you 2 stop u hitting me never mind moves loading...that would mean laggers could NEVER EVER EVER lose.....fool.and think about what i just read and ....if u post back arguing u are an even bigger fool

EDIT BY VIPER: I see that word again, youre gone.



Edited By viper2040 on May 02 2003 at 17:33

[Kingryu1]

i asked TMY b4 to limit optics. he sed you cant really limit a move because *forgot the rest*. so you prolly won't get the limitation...=/

[nosoul4evr]

....hmm u fukin smart lagger...lags your advantage....speed player like me..thats our advantage..u fool.u big big fool.u wanna make the game even unfairrer.....people like me who dont lag...hit you and #### never loads...so we have 2 keep hitting you 2 stop u hitting me never mind moves loading...that would mean laggers could NEVER EVER EVER lose.....fool.and think about what i just read and ....if u post back arguing u are an even bigger fool
You so called "Speed players" are exactly what im talking about.

They can't win a match without creating lag through their infinte Hadokens...that is no show of skill.

Ryu is a very leathal close combat fighter...but i suppose most people wouldnt know that..since they cant get past the "Im still a nooby, who's afraid to get close to my opponent." stage of their game play.

I have about as much respect for a Hadoken queen as I do an Optic blast queen...wich is very little.

Please tell me where the fun and skill is, in just typing S,D,P over and over and over again...and then when you see you opponent "might" get close to you and actualy kick your ass with basic attacks..ya'll run away and keep blasting the Hadokens....

tell ya what...instead of toning down the Hadoken...
Why dont we just ask TMy remove all of Ryu's moves except the Hadoken and Shinkuu Hadoken.
80% of the players wouldnt notice the change anyways...it's not like ya'll use the rest of Ryu's attacks. :D

currently the way Hadokens work is..
You cast one..and you cant cast another untill the first has disapeared..thats fine...the problem is that you can "stack" your next Hadoken..err...Hadoken'S.
There needs to be a better delay between the time one hadoken is canceled and another one can be cast.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 19:46

[Kingryu1]

i actully try to combo with ryu. but when facing noob hadoken fighters. i cant even touch them. so that forces me to do a goddamn "hadoken fight" with them. it's so boring. one example is tidus42

[pip99]

lmfao u typed back.......

You have

LAG moves dont load on you ANYWAY

i dont have

LAG...moves load on me

LAG is your advantage


diong this #### idea will giv laggers and even biger advantage.

#### NO!

get over it.....some people are cheap.

id MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more play a cheap person you doesnt lag....then a lagger

LISTEN to yourself....laggers own the game already....and you want 2 give them more of an advantage....and yo...on my screen i dont lag...u LAG me diong moves might build lag on your screen get over it..mines always 40 fps...and your specials load on me.
You probaly dont know how annoying it is..playing a lagger when u dont lag...having none of your moves load.


i mean for #### sake
YOUR TELLING TMYAPP 2 LIMIT MOVES WHEN THEY NEVER ####### LOAD


You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win


Dont take the ONLY advantage quicker and unlaggy players have get over it or get a better pc/modem


THIS TOPIC IS ####### STUPID





u go on about trully skilled fighter LMFAO....nferno championx ether....they all beat ryu #####


u keep dion hadokens back or
OK!!! HIGH JUMP...SWEEP MEDUIM KICK maybe superuppercut..etc etc...

but the moves will load...so its ok. but when u laggers go cheap moves still dont load.

ANY TRULLY SKILLED PLAYER CAN KILL A HADONKEN NOOB

now if your really gonna try and argue back u are stubborn or just a down right twat u has 2 have the advantage

[SuperSonicX]

Meh i say leave the hadokens alone, yeah it does create lag in all but if it makes you win matches..nobodys going to stop it if makes them win, and if it is limited, some other move will be abused in the same way.

[nosoul4evr]

Bahahaa.
Pip i advise you remove that little bit of spam from the bottom of that topic, an rethink your position.

Dont be mad or afraid to lose because I wish to make the game fair for everyone...by forcing "Hadoken Queens", and "Speed Players" ( that bitch about Normal Mode because they cant win at the speed the game is meant to be run ) to learn how to actualy fight with some skill instead of relying off of the lag they can create against their opponents.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 16:51

[bloodpack]

lol this is so amusing, i noticed that too pip, you keep hadokeing your opponents to death, wait for the level then you go super

i have so much respect on both of you but this thread is amusing... :laughlong:

[pip99]

blood u know i ant cheap im just fast.DIFFERENCE Nosoul.
and Nosoul man ...lol dont make me start.

LAGGERSwho already own the game u go slap your piontless spam...cause u dont play on a fast game so u dont understand the game half as well as i do..when i play you your like 6 seconds behind....so u dont know whats really happening...




i dont know about u but i RAPE hadokens #####.

[nosoul4evr]

Pip: If you take a good long open minded look at how you and others are playing the game in general....then you'd realize..you dont know as much as you think.

If you are so lucky as to realize that you are 6 seconds ahead of a player..then you should play accordingly.

does that mean..stand as close to your motionless opponent as possible and cast Hadoken after Hadoken, to build your Super....and still they take no damage....umm..not if you actualy know whats going on and realize that you are creating your own lag and misfortune.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 17:33

[da_realX]

also the ob ob thing

[pip99]

Pip: If you take a good long open minded look at how you and others are playing the game in general....then you'd realize..you dont know as much as you think.

If you are so lucky as to realize that you are 6 seconds ahead of a player..then you should play accordingly.

does that mean..stand as close to your motionless opponent as possible and cast Hadoken after Hadoken, Super after Super..and still they take no damage....umm..not if you actualy know whats going on and realize that you are creating your own lag and misfortune.
THIS IS WHAT I MEAN!!!!!! NOO!!!!! NOOOO!!!

your so wrong on SO many levels :laugh:


jesus.....

it dont matter...even when im 6 seconds ahead...cause the moves still dont load....

the sooner u understand the better just cause i hit u doesnt mean u cant move.

look up and read that over at least twice. then THINK about what yuo post

[PSYCHO]

limitation.. yea right ..
it takes skill to do alot of hadokens fast after eachother :p
and if u are skilled u can do as much hadokens ..

[nosoul4evr]

hehehe...the game dont run as fast as you can play it pip....not when your in my game...thats why moves dont appear to "load"...loading is not the issue..it's a matter of how well you and i are communicating.

when i fight you pip...you are all over me like stink on ####....I cant get a move in edge wise....and when i do...it is a super...and you bitch...stop ya sniveling man.

The issue in this topic is "How quickly should Ryu be able to cast another Hadoken?"

Not for you to decide to pick a fight.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 17:25

[Toon-Ryu]

If somebody is truely skilled they no how to beat a Hadoken player easily. All I do is jump foward and and push back to block and get close to him/her and do roundhouse(don't know name)punches, kicks, uppercut(still don't know the name) untill I get my super and do that super uppercut(i don't remember names that well). So if your saying your skilled and you can't handle a stupid Hadoken player then your just somebody who can beat everone else except the Hadoken player.

And...

It's not other peoples fault thier 6 seconds ahead like me I attack where it shows on my screen but really on the guy who's behind there somewhere else like in the other end of the world. Sheez...and no Hadoken's should not be limited.Like I posted above your skilled then beat em up. If your not then... die. Lag would be much less if everyone had cable and so on but everone doesn't so don't think there's going to be somesort of device that's going to make things better because there's not going to be.

End of Discussion.

[viper2040]

a few things. First, I can agree with a LOT that has been said here, but i have a few issues. Nosoul, I do respect you, but I'm going to have to say that just cause a player likes turbo doesnt mean that hes cheap. Normal is really slow, and evens the playing field for people with slower reaction speeds. The faster the better, (although turbo creates a LITTLE lag....). My mind is racing during a fight. Plus, normal takes FOREVER. Original streetfighter II matches didnt take that long if youre good. And with supers added, hte matches were meant to be shorter.

Hadoken problems, i totally agree. I strive to use each characters move once during any given match. And i try to use them equally. So for ryu, i might do shoryuken, hadoken, tetsumaki-whatever kick. Hadokens are nice, but theyre overrated. What DOES need to happen at the least (and shouldnt take much coding) is to make the hadokens do less for the super meter. The supers are supposed to be hard to get; currently, you can use them every fifth hadoken.

oh, nosoul? if that isnt a loaded question, i dont know what is ;)
"NO! Dont change the hadoken, cause id have no skill then!"
LOL!!!



Edited By viper2040 on May 02 2003 at 17:50

[pip99]

hehehe...the game dont run as fast as you can play it pip....not when your in my game...thats why moves dont appear to "load"...loading is not the issue..it's a matter of how well you and i are communicating.

when i fight you pip...you are all over me like stink on ####....I cant get a move in edge wise....and when i do...it is a super...and you bitch...stop ya sniveling man.

The issue in this topic is "How quickly should Ryu be able to cast another Hadoken?"

Not for you to decide to pick a fight.
....thats cause im fast....and my moves never load. and i kick way more than most players. ;)



u get some skill...have u ever played darklink....even danyankess..both skilled ryu users...they hadoken like hell i dont complain...infact im cool with that.

[nosoul4evr]

Viper:I am not accusing anyone of being cheaping by playing Turbo.
Normal/Turbo is not the topic.

The way,hadokens are cast is the topic.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 17:58

[pip99]

Nosoul list 10 none cheap ryus user..if you could plz.

[Toon-Ryu]

Nosoul list 10 none cheap ryus user..if you could plz.
Is that cheap users or the people who aren't cheap.

[nosoul4evr]

Nosoul list 10 none cheap ryus user..if you could plz.
You just summed it all right there in one simple post.."Please list 10 Non cheap Ryu user."

Ummm..Me.

Geezz..I get more compition outa noobys who havent figured out how to cast a hadoken...they actualy "try" to fight you..they dont run away casting a million hadokens..or get right up on ya and do the same...and they dont rely on lag and hadoken spam to win.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 16:26

[pip99]

Nosoul list 10 none cheap ryus user..if you could plz.
You just stated it all right there in one simple post.."Please list 10 None cheap Ryu user."

Ummm..Me.

Geezz..I get more compition outa noobys who havent figured out how to cast a hadoken...they actualy "try" to fight you..they dont run away casting a million hadokens..or get right up on ya and do the same...they dont rely on LAG to win.
weres the other 9.

or are you moaning on your ones cause u cant beat hadoken players.


thats the most backswards piece of (not allowed 2 swear cause viper pmed me)....ive ever heard...what a HUGE contradiction.they dont rely on LAG to win

U RELY ON LAG 2 WIN.

[nosoul4evr]

Pip: Get over yourself man.
This topic has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.
Just because you are beating an after image, and then getting slammed with a bad/good bout of packets....aint my fault.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 18:36

[pip99]

Pip: Get over your self man.
Just because you are beating an after image and then get slammed with a bad bout of packets....aint my fault.
yeah u realised you were wrong....and come back with the crappest excuse for a cuss ive heard in a long time.

[pip99]

DUDE..this has NOTHING to do with you..wtf are you on about...GET OUTA MY FACE!
this arguement need i big

MEH.

[nosoul4evr]

Yes, apparently it's 3 pages of miscommunication. ???

Pip: Do you know what the word "none" means?
Your own words have betrayed you.
I challange YOU to name 10 non cheap Ryu players....that is the whole point of this topic...way to many Ryu user revolve their battle souly around avoiding their opponent, and casting Hadokens.

I am not "wrong" about anything.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:36

[montalvo]

Dont change the hadukens...i'd have no skill then..
i mean hadukens shouldnt be a problem to most people..for the fact that they'd use hadukens as well to counter yours..although hadukens may be a problem for wolvie users and such, but i guess the odds are even since cyclops is a problem for ryu...and spiderman..not sure..lol..

[Scorponok]

Hadokens... abused?

If you see a Ryu player doing that, and you're Ryu.. just jump towards him blocking, until you get close. Then unleash your fury...

Or you could just return the favor :biggrin:

If you are..

Cyclops- Pfft.. you tell 'em how to be cheap :biggrin:

Wolverine- Try Slide Claw and Drill Claw up in the air. Oh wait, you're pretty much screwed, seeing as you have no projectiles..

Sentinel- Just open your mouth :biggrin:

Spiderman- You can be just as abusive with his projectiles..

Chun-Li- With that triple jump capability.. he won't hit you that much :biggrin:

Evil Ryu- You're an enhanced Ryu.. need I say more?

I don't see anything wrong with the Hadokens right now..

[nosoul4evr]

oh, nosoul? if that isnt a loaded question, i dont know what is ;)
"NO! Dont change the hadoken, cause id have no skill then!"
LOL!!!
:D Hehe, ya I'm a tricky one.
Im just checkin' to see who agrees with me about the Hadoken. ;)



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 02 2003 at 19:23

[viper2040]

scorp, i couldnt have said it better...i especially enjoyed your comment about sent: "just open your mouth"
for some reason that cracks me up http://www.boomspeed.com/viper2040_/roflmao.gif



Edited By viper2040 on May 03 2003 at 03:52

[bloodpack]

ok, let me end this argument
ppl wanna know their true fighting skills?
then someone fight me...

ryu vs ryu
no specials or supers
only fists and kicks
lets see whos really good in online hand-to-hand combat :)

[nosoul4evr]

BloodPack: honestly man..that isnt gonna prove anything.

This is not a "Ryu's cheap" topic..This is not a "So and so is cheap" topic, this is not a "So and so lags" topic, nor is it a "So and so hasnt any skill" topic

It is simply a...
Do you think Hadokens are abused and over shadowing the rest of Ryu's moves? topic.
I mean...TMy went through all the trouble to put together a collaboration of Ryu's moves....and no one uses them. :(

Very few people actualy "try" to play this game in a legitimate manner.
They throw a high Hadoken, they throw a low hadoken...they throw a high hadoken..they throw a low hadoken.Their opponent gets near them..they jump away throwing a hadoken.
As some one mentioned earlier...BORING.
I have no problems beating this lame ass tactic....it's just ...lame. I have plenty of tricks up my sleeve to break such lowly attempts...and when i do...people bitch.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 08:34

[Resident Evil]

why are you all ppl complaining about.
we should not even changed nothing for ryu. ryu is not cheaped with hadouken the only thing u ppl are doing IS MAKING TMYAPP WORK MORE AND MORE. is like u make tmyapp do everything u want.
leaved this ryu specials or attack ALONE.
if i was tmyapp i would be mad right about now.
cant u ppl just wait until he finish and then when he has time for the game ask him but come on. he is working for god sake.
LEAVED THIS CHARACTER ALONE.
you ppl are just grrrrrr. nvm..
anyone closed this topic its just dumb and annoying hehe

[nosoul4evr]

*cough*speaking of speed players*cough*

I am not asking TMy to do anything..I am getting a general census of how the public feels about this matter.
hehe...all though it is a rather one sided poll..the topic/issue is legit.

From what im hearing..It sounds like players might be afraid of having a change to the Hadoken..because it might remove their "One move wonder" skills. ???



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 08:41

[Resident Evil]

oh i see nvm what i said then

[Toon-Ryu]

*cough*speaking of speed players*cough*

I am not asking TMy to do anything..I am getting a general census of how the public feels about this matter.
hehe...all though it is a rather one sided poll..the topic/issue is legit.

From what im hearing..It sounds like players might be afraid of having a change to the Hadoken..because it might remove their "One move wonder" skills. ???
Basically what your saying is hadoken is somepeoples only skill. Well I am going to repeat what I said.(like Scorponok said)

You don't have skill if you can't dodge a few million(j/k)
hadokens. Ok you do know there's something called blocking. Block while jumping close to your opponet and then beat the crap out of them. Sheez... can't you read English....


P.S. Close this topic or something.

[nosoul4evr]

This is not a "Ryu's cheap" topic..This is not a "So and so is cheap" topic, this is not a "So and so lags" topic, nor is it a "So and so hasnt any skill" topic
Toon Ryu: Yes i am quite aware of how to block..blocking is not the issue. I do not have a blocking problem.
I have a problem with the fact that very few players can play Ryu without completely revolving 70%-90% of their game around the Hadoken...
Ryu's Hadoken is just as abused as Cyclops' Optic Blast.

Too bad no one wants to admit it.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 10:33

[SSJKarma]

didn't read the whole topic, just some points here and there, so if it has been said then i'm sorry.

you guys must already know that TMYAPP did something against those hadokens some times ago ! when a players does an hadoken while another one is already in stage, then the first one vanished letting the nwest one take the place !

basically, have you ever seen a character doing more then one hadoken, optic blast, sentinel beam at a time ? you shouldn't, if you see so, then you found a bug in the game, as tmyapp already fixed that problem heons ago !

at least it works fine on my end.
ryu cannot do multiple hadokens since the oldest one will simply vanished letting the nwest one ok ! that's mainly why most of the HADOKENS PLAYERS ave diminished a lot those last months !

[nosoul4evr]

Just to clarify..yup it's been mentioned.
One hadoken can not be on the screen at the same time as another.

When a Hadoken is about 2/3rd the way to your opponent. you may type for another.

The time between when one hadoken is canceled, to the time that the next one is cast..is "instant"..err near instant.

That window needs to be slightly larger in my opinion.
As in...you cant stack your next hadoken just before the first one hits your opponent.
You'd have to type for it, after the projectile has hit the opponent...like as soon as you here the crack of it making impact.

This is just my opinion.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 08:31

[Toon-Ryu]

This is not a "Ryu's cheap" topic..This is not a "So and so is cheap" topic, this is not a "So and so lags" topic, nor is it a "So and so hasnt any skill" topic
Toon Ryu: Yes i am quite aware of how to block..blocking is not the issue. I do not have a blocking problem.
I have a problem with the fact that very few players can play Ryu without completely revolving 70%-90% of their game around the Hadoken...
Ryu's Hadoken is just as abused as Cyclops' Optic Blast.

Too bad no one wants to admit it.
Yes I know, ok fine if you think of it that way then there should be a limit on Optic blast, Sentinel Beam, and all the other moves that you call cheap out there. Also mentioned before it actually takes skill to do so many hadoken's and it takes the same skill to actually dodge them.

[nosoul4evr]

there should be a limit on Optic blast, Sentinel Beam, and all the other moves that you call cheap out there.

All of those character moves you just mentioned...have had limits put on them, and neither work anywhere near as well as when they were first debuted....Cyclops especialy.

So basicaly what your saying is...
It's not ok for Sent and Cyc to be able to own the match with a field of nearly impassible destruction....but it is ok if Ryu can do it.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 03 2003 at 13:46

[G_GUNDAM]

i got one thing to say. if u wanna limit the hadoken then u might as limit all the other moves from every character. the fact is that so many people abuse the specials of all character. look at wolvie users. **drill claw drill claw, beserker barrage beserker barrage** and i dont even wanna talk about cyc. so just keep the game as is cause there are some people that dont abuse these moves. so why limit moves just cause of a few ##### who abuse them. thats not right for the others

[nosoul4evr]

Read my above post..you posted in between edits.

And for people that dont abuse the moves...they wont see a difference...why? because they play legit.

You guys make it sound like a change to the way you might have to play Ryu would effect YOU and only YOU...nope..it wouild effect everybody. It's not like you would be missing out on something that somebody else had, and you did not.

Yes even Wolverines drill claw could use some limits.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 05 2003 at 12:51

[Toon-Ryu]

there should be a limit on Optic blast, Sentinel Beam, and all the other moves that you call cheap out there.

All of those character moves you just mentioned...have had limits put on them, and neither work anywhere near as well as when they were first debuted....Cyclops especialy.

So basicaly what your saying is...
It's not ok for Sent and Cyc to be able to own the match with a field of nearly impassible destruction....but it is ok if Ryu can do it.
What I mean to say is if Ryu gets a limit put on and so do those two and if he doesn't leave the those two alone two.

[SSJKarma]

there is something some people here never noticed or understood !

RYU = hadoken, as in projectile that must travel all the way to the other side of the screen
CYCLOPS & SENT = BEAMER, which means the beam is appearing on screen already doing the whole screen.

with that in mind, lets say that CYCLOPS must wait before doing another beam because his animation ends after the beam. which means he take the time to place himself back into position, and by the time he takes that position again, his beam is long gone !

the same happens to sentinel, that is why it doesn't touch them !
as for ryu, the fact is... hadokens after hadokens is not a way to play, its called being LAME enough not to understand that this is not a SHOOTING GAME but a damn FIGHTING GAME !

as nosoul said, unless you are an hadioken HAPPY SHOOTERS you won't even see the change !
just a question, did you ever saw the SUPER JUMP LOCK in action ?

if you answered NO, then why would you yell about it ?
if you answered yes, then you are a HYPER JUMPER HAPPY that hyper jumps too much for nothing !

same will go with RYU, if you don't see the HADOKEN LOCK then you are playing the game right, if you see the HADOKEN LOCK then it means that you shoot too much and you must learn some understanding as to what a FIGHTING GAME is !

really, hadokens all over the place were/are/will never be the way to play !

for my part, almost all hadpoken happy players have been beaten up by me because i come blocking and i pass thru and kick their sorry ass ! i know that i succeeded and that they are sucking cause an almost perfect game 4 out of 5 matches is just too damn stupid !

learn to play people, this is no FPS, its a damn ACTION FIGHTING GAME !
the characters got hands and feet to use as well you know !
anyway... like nosoul said, tmyapp should put an hadoken LOCK just like he did for the HYPER JUMP LOCK !

[Scorponok]

just a question, did you ever saw the SUPER JUMP LOCK in action ?
Lol..

I didn't even know there was one until Tarkan pointed it out to me.. I always thought I must have not been pressing the keys right..

[Weidi]

think not only hadoken is fact every art of shooting, speacially in case of da ahh dont get the name yet blua glasses X.men


think its really cheap u make just shootings and its done. I mean u cant come out there and if u r faster back in there then u could damg him.

:angryfire:

[pip99]

sorry your all still arguing..

you all
SUCK!!!

if every1 ryu player jsut kept dion hadoken on me id go...yes.

u skilless twats.

high jump all you have 2 do kids is press down then up...try it..

if you REALLY REALLY wanna beat a hadonken noob use cyclops or spiderman.or use skill with ryu

[Lightbringer]

sorry your all still arguing..

you all
SUCK!!!

if every1 ryu player jsut kept dion hadoken on me id go...yes.

u skilless twats.

high jump all you have 2 do kids is press down then up...try it..

if you REALLY REALLY wanna beat a hadonken noob use cyclops or spiderman.or use skill with ryu
umm i agree with pip

[UrbanNinja]

I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.

[nosoul4evr]

I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.
UrbanNinja: (and others) If you read this entire topic. You'd see that it has nothing to do with being able to stop the tactic.

Take some time to read please.

Krama: Wow..the first to agree with me, theres hope for this topic yet. :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 08:04

nosoul4evr: Your poll choices explicitly say:

- Yes, Hadokens are abused and need to be limited...Players need to learn a new technique.
- NO! Dont change the Hadoken..I'd have no skill then.

1st point: Hadoukens needing to be limited? If you're referring to limiting the number of times you use them then (as has been said before EVERY time a topic turns up like this), then it will never happen. If you did that, tneh people would bitch to get optic blasts limited... or web ball's... or drill claws... or Sentinel Beams... practically anything you can think of that's remotely cheap.

However, I am not without sympathy for your cause. There are way too many unskilled people who really 100% on hadoukens even when they know how to do other moves (ex: aftermath does this all the time, but I've seen him do dragon punches and other "regular" moves when you get too close in on him)... and losing to these people does nothing but piss you off. But I'll direct your attention to the main problem here... 2 things that happen that make the hadouken very annoying.

1st its response rate is a bit too fast... you'll notice this was the problem with slide claw and optic sweep, but both have been toned down without hadoukens being touched. That I would consider a reasonable adjustment/complaint to TMyApp.

2nd, any/all projectile moves jack up your super metter much too quickly. Go into the game and test out raising your level bar with hp hadoukens against lp hadoukens. It's something like half the speed (if you stand right next to the ai since lp is a lot slower in traveling). Even at that kind of speed... it jacks up your super meter too fast. I'd suggest dramatically dropping that (to something like raising your level bar by only 1 grey bar) for all fast projectiles.

2nd point: Pip's arguements are made pretty legitimate by that comment that little comment that "I'd have no skill" for the no choice... especially if they're under the impression that you want it limited as in how many times you can use it. If you want 10 non cheap Ryu users, here they are:
*note: non because it's spelled that way. None means nothing at all (dictionary.com).

- DarkVirus
- Doomtrain
- Case
- Tidus2K2
- myself
- you (apparently you say so)
- Dark Masta
- pip99
- DX Zero
- supersaiyanz10
- DA_VIPA

[nosoul4evr]

Nope the idea is not to limit the amount of Hadokens..but the responce time...and possibly remove the ability ot "stack" (...the ability to preset ) the second hadoken before the first has hit your opponent.

I wouldnt worry about the poll...it's meant only for players that are with me, to cast a vote....those that are against me vote that "they got no skill then"
If ya got skill and are against me..then you dont vote.



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:44

[Kingryu1]

i'm a non cheap ryu user =/

[AfterMath]

"ex: aftermath does this all the time, but I've seen him do dragon punches and other "regular" moves when you get too close in on him"

thats very non-offensive. :angry:

[fear_tetsuo]

OMG this game is full of babies. Nosoul- u r trying to do exactly what the baby Zing79 did. Limit or change something in the game because u cant win against it and you dont think it is fair. Jesus christ, has anyone here EVER played the original game? As soon as one haduken has hit the person the next haduken comes out. ITs how the game was made. Do u see anyone complaining about that on mame or FBA? I have compared the timing of ryu's haduken and cyclop's optic blast in mame and this game and the only one that doesnt seem to be true to the REAL game is cyclop's optic blast. Ryu's haduken seem's to be right, but cyclop's optic blast comes out faster. RYU"S HADUKEN IS NO DIFFERENT IN THIS GAME THEN IN THE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!!!!! Its just that with all the horrible lag in the game that it seem's to be cheap. So shut up nosoul!!!!!!! God damn it, why is it that when someone feels that something is cheap in this game that they can post and try to limit everything? It's real annoying. There were once tourney's for the REAL game, and if someone felt that someone's move was faster then the others they never tried to make rules against it, they had to deal with it and overcome it. None of the "vs" series games are balanced, but its something that EVERYONE has had to adapt to and overcome, that is how u find the best of the best in these "vs" series games. STOP BEING A BABY AND GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!

[nosoul4evr]

Fear tetsu. If you actualy read this topic..it has NOTHING to do with winning or losing..learn to read.

As for the Jump Lock..Zing was totaly correct in his observation about the super jump and how it was abused...now you can no longer abuse the super jump to rely on left to right lag for a win and this game.

Those that scream loudest against this topic..are probably those that stand a good chance of losing thier "lil edge" IF there was a change to the hadoken.

There is no need to start flaming and crying like a nooby.
If you read this whole topic..and you feel you have skill..then you wouldnt be sniveling, but making a mature and sensible reply with your opinion about "how the hadoken operates".

You say Cyclops blast is different than the orginial...ever wonder why?..It is because it had to be adapted to this version of the game inorder to make the move "less cheap".

You say Ryu's Hadoken is just like the original.
with that being said..and with lag like you mentioned.

Dont you think that Ryu's hadoken would also need to be adapted to operate differently in this version of the game to make it less cheap as well?

Im not saying the changes mentioned are the "hard line" way to limit hadokens. There are many variables in the way hadokens operate that can alter the way they work without skilled players even noticing the difference.

As a side note... Spiderman webballs also fall under this topic of limitations too...I believe Spidermans projectiles need to be toned down as well...a topic damn near worthy of another poll. :D

So once again..it appears as though...
It's not all right for some characters to be cheap (so strict limits where put on them)...But it's ok for others to be cheap.

To the people:
Ryu is your King, his Hadoken is your Queen.
All hail Ryu! :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 04 2003 at 17:48

[UrbanNinja]

I personally use spider-man, but ppl really need to stop b**chin' about Ryu, because if YOU really had skill you would be able to get passed the hadukens.
UrbanNinja: (and others) If you read this entire topic. You'd see that it has nothing to do with being able to stop the tactic.

Take some time to read please.

Krama: Wow..the first to agree with me, theres hope for this topic yet. :D
This poll is about haduken limitations, but if you were able to read english you would understand what I was stating about (you guessed it) HADUKEN LIMITATIONS.

[SSJKarma]

listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer !

[fear_tetsuo]

listen guys, i do agree on nsoul for what he said about RYU'S hadokens, but guys you must understands the facts.

i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS

just answer this simple question...
what kind of idiotic tactic is that ?
i agree with nosoul, changes are to be made...
why can't the players PRE-DO a super, but can pre-do hadokens, optic blasts and the likes ?
PRE-DO means that you do the motion before the first ended.
example:
i do an hadoken, ryu starts doing it, the hadoken isn't even started out that i finished doing a second one. then i wait, never touching my keyboard again. know what will happen ? ryu will thro another one right when the first one will end, but the keys have been entered about 2 seconds before that time !

this is no lag guys !
it happens in PRACTICE also !
this is called buffering, why can we buffer a move like the hadokens and not all the other moves, including the supers ?

really, i do agree on what some people said, its true that some supers can be hard to stop without throwing hadokens all over the place, but i ask to those, do you think hadokens is the only way ?

the answer is no !
i agree with nosoul, ryu is far too strong in this game and really needs to be toned down !

FEAR_TETSUO: you keep saying OLD TIMES were better when it was ryu against ryu...
i ask you, what was better in having ryu appear and disappear at an interval of about 1/2 seconds ?

for all i know, ryu was appeareing side to side always doing ####### hadokens. lag was the killer and game skill was totally inexistent ! so i ask you again, what was good at that time ? the fact we were about 50 to play and that those 50 happenned to never flame anything because tmyapp already knew that the game was almost unplayable !

think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !

PIP: super jumps aren't the solution either !
while you super jump you're more vulnerable then you think !
why do you ask, because the guy has time to wait for you to come down when he sees you super jump and he has time to get you on arrival even before you had time to do anything !
super jumps are just a way to make you an easy target !

anyway...
i also agree with SHINJUKO... putting a lock on the numbers of hadokens is just too damn stupid, but reducing the energy it gives is a very effective against all those that do them just to build their meter !

good fights, aren't those who are finished the faster, but those that are longer !
Grrrr..... I hate stupid people. One,I did not mention the "old times" in this post at all. Two, wtf are u talking about? Lag was the killer then but not now? LAg is just as bad as it was back then u moron. "think before saying stupidities FEAR...
this is a fighting game, by definition is means that hadokens are one special on many others that can make you win, it also means that there are lots of other moves that you can perform and use. so why would someone only do hadokens all the fights till it ends ? that's just ####### stupid !" I honestly cant believe u cant answer your own question. Why would someone do hadukens the whole game till it ends? If u cant answer it then u r ####### retarded. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN RYU DO IN THIS ONLINE GAME? If you have ever seen anyone play the original game, ryu has AIR COMBOS, SEMI INFINITES, devestating combos that u cannot do in this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! You really are stupid. Yes u can dash in with a kick or something, but with all the lag that this game has, the easiest way to do damage is to do hadukens. And since u cant rely on blocking to work 100% of the time, playing keep away with ryu is the only way to win. So once again, YOU CANT DO #### IN THIS GAME!!!! U CANT DO AIR COMBOS, INFINITES,COUNTERS, ADVANCED COMBOS(EX: combos that involve resets, grabs etc...) OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE IN THE ORIGINAL GAME. SO THE ONLY THING FOR RYU USERS TO DO IS HADUKENS.!!!!!!
And nosoul-wtf r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok???? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!!

[SSJKarma]

that's a shame of you FEAR, after all the work that tmyapp did to have a lot less lag and a lot more speed in this game, you still says you don't see a change !

go buy yourself some glasses will ya !
oh that's right, i forgot, you didn't played the game since a year or so cause it sucks bad ! come on fear... i have one of the worst modem ever and i still have lag yes, but lag is like 10 times less powerfull then it was a year and a half ago !

as for the combos and all, yeah we don't have REAL COMBOS but thinking how a single punch is coming out way faster then in the real game, i can easily say that combos are better in this game then it is in the real game !

really, you didn't see a single difference between this version and the old ones, fine, but by saying that you just mock tmyapp around and crudely telling him that he was holding his ass off !

you think it is a big rip off, have you ever played the emulators and see how it is the complete same !
do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !

guess what ! go kill yourself, cause right now, all you accomplished is a big nothing ! sorry to disappoint you, but i do succeed in "comboing" people in this game, you know why, because lag is a lot less powerfull, then it was before !

and you call me stupid, at least i don't talk like tmyapp never did anything and i do have seen a big big big big big improvement since 0.2a

now buzz off !

[bloodpack]

i got one thing to say. if u wanna limit the hadoken then u might as limit all the other moves from every character. the fact is that so many people abuse the specials of all character. look at wolvie users. **drill claw drill claw, beserker barrage beserker barrage** and i dont even wanna talk about cyc. so just keep the game as is cause there are some people that dont abuse these moves. so why limit moves just cause of a few ##### who abuse them. thats not right for the others
i thought its ONE THING TO SAY?
you used more words there... ???

[pip99]

ok, let me end this argument
ppl wanna know their true fighting skills?
then someone fight me...

ryu vs ryu
no specials or supers
only fists and kicks
lets see whos really good in online hand-to-hand combat :)
meh we did that match.



people are skill arguing....man just high jump and corner rape.etc etc...man scrop killed this topic ages ago..then i did...but yall still carrying on,

[fear_tetsuo]

karma u have accomplished nothing because u still havent proven your point. How are the combos in this game better then in the original game? Seriously, how are they better. You cant even do a regular combo past 3 or 4,Ex: punch,punch,kick. I mean that is probably a combo by accident in this game. Have i ever played the emulators? Isnt that what i just got done posting about??? Learn to read !! "do you throw hadokens all the way till the fight end in the real deal over the internet ? i think not, then why would you do it here ? oh, i forgot, you think the game sucks !
" Nobody in the emulated version of the game throws hadukens the whole game because we can do air combos!!!!!! We can do what the game was ment for u dumb ass, we r not limited by only throwing hadukens. Once again, in this game ryu users can only throw hadukens becuase its the safest way to cause damage without the risk of rushing in and not worrying about blocking giving out when u need it. "i know you guys will be against this if you are the klind of guy that plays only with that char, its jsut normal, but what i don't understand are those that only does this tactic...

- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- hadokens
- SHINKU HADOKENS
"


yes thats what ryu users in this game have to do. Here is an example of what ppl who play the real emulated version do with ryu:
dash in-clk,chp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk, shinku haduken
that is a basic COMBO that can be done since it is implemented in the game unlike this game. Here is an example of what a person does with cyclops using the emulated version of this game:
*in corner
dash in-clk,cmp(launch), sjlp,sjlk,sjmp,sjmk,sjhp,(rejump), lp,lk,mp,mk,hp,land,lp,mp,hp
that once again is a COMBO that can be done. People use combos,not hadukens the whole time, because we have them in the real game. Now go kill yourself because u r trying to stick up for a game that sucks ass and because u have not accomplished anything. And u say u have combo'd ppl in this game. It was most likely a 3 or 4 hit combo at most because thats all that can be done. Try a 13-20 hit combo without doing supers. Oh yeah thats right u cant, since u cant do real combos in this game!!! Now buzz off.

[nosoul4evr]

And nosoul-wtf r u talking about?? I was talking about people adapting and overcoming certian things in the original game. U r going and talking about tmyapp adapting ryu into this game......ok?<!--emo&??? What i am trying to say is that there r things in every game that ppl dont like. But u dont see pppl writing letters and posting #### about how u cant win because blah blah blah and u think it should be changed. Suck it up and deal with it, dont be such a god damn #####. And i dont play this game anymore!! So i really dont care if hadukens r limited. It just pisses me off that once again someone is crying that they cant beat ppl cause of something and they want to limit it so they can win. It's ####### pathetic. I play Marvel vs Capcom 2, and I think that cable is very cheap in that game becdause of his viper beams. But do u see me posting about how i think Capcom should remake the game so cable cant do that move anymore? No, I sucked it up and over came it. I got around it and rushed that #### down!!!!!!!!!! Now ####### bend over and take it, stop complaining!!!!
Fear:Again your inability to read has caused your demise in this topic...yet again.

How many times must it be repeated...This topic has NOTHING to do with winning or losing, or how to over come hadoken abuse.
It has to do with the repetitive nature of how Ryu is played, as well as ways to prevent people from consistantly relying on the same tacic over and over again because it gives them that lil' edge they need when combined with lag.

You own words will now crush you.
BECAUSE WHAT ELSE CAN RYU DO IN THIS ONLINE GAME?
You are obviously a Hadoken abuser...you make that very clear with that statement...or else you would know what other moves, skills and tactics there are to using Ryu as a "non projectile" fighter, and no you dont need aerial combo's and infinite supers in order to play Ryu legitimitly in this game.

2000warriors list of ten could clearly prove that to you im sure.

Pip: You and Scorp have far from killed this topic...Ya aint even scratched the surface of it.
As in...both of ya have stated that.."yes players do get lame and abuse the hadoken..." wich more than justifies my case. :D



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 05 2003 at 13:19

SSJKarma & fear_tetsuo: You will BOTH stop this flaming.

[Weidi]

so question was what tactic that is?
easy anwser :)

A lame cheap tactic.
And they take her cause, enemy gets a dmg even he blocks, they can t get in danger till they find their master and flame him then how cheap he figths. And they get their lev to make specials, without they wouldn t life, as fast as no other way they know.

:laughlong:

[MIG]

phewww...i finally managed to read all of that...

anyway i'm with nosoul that there should be something done to try and limit hadouken usage cos it just sucks all the fun out of the game when your fighting some no-skill #### who just fires out hadoukens...i know that this means it just makes more work for tmy and will probably coe equipped with a load of bugs but it's still something he could think about putting in in the future.


also is it just me or does anybody else think that the line of arguments would be completly different if this topic had been made about limiting cyclops's optic blasts or sentinels heavy punch cos it just seems like most of the people in this game just want ryu because they somehow believe that he is the only non-cheap character in this game

[DA_VIPA2]

lmfao u typed back.......

You have

LAG moves dont load on you ANYWAY

i dont have

LAG...moves load on me

LAG is your advantage


diong this #### idea will giv laggers and even biger advantage.

#### NO!

get over it.....some people are cheap.

id MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more play a cheap person you doesnt lag....then a lagger

LISTEN to yourself....laggers own the game already....and you want 2 give them more of an advantage....and yo...on my screen i dont lag...u LAG me diong moves might build lag on your screen get over it..mines always 40 fps...and your specials load on me.
You probaly dont know how annoying it is..playing a lagger when u dont lag...having none of your moves load.


i mean for #### sake
YOUR TELLING TMYAPP 2 LIMIT MOVES WHEN THEY NEVER ####### LOAD


You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win
You need your lag to win


Dont take the ONLY advantage quicker and unlaggy players have get over it or get a better pc/modem


THIS TOPIC IS ####### STUPID





u go on about trully skilled fighter LMFAO....nferno championx ether....they all beat ryu #####


u keep dion hadokens back or
OK!!! HIGH JUMP...SWEEP MEDUIM KICK maybe superuppercut..etc etc...

but the moves will load...so its ok. but when u laggers go cheap moves still dont load.

ANY TRULLY SKILLED PLAYER CAN KILL A HADONKEN NOOB

now if your really gonna try and argue back u are stubborn or just a down right twat u has 2 have the advantage
thats how u put it down pip :lol: but yes they need to learn new moves caz all they do is hadokens and then do the super hadoken and keep doing it over and over :hmmm: they must really have ZERO skill :sly: so there should be a limitation of 30 hadokens per person (including super hadokens) and if they od more than 30 they should be kicked from the fight for cheating :biggrin:

[MIG]

oh and btw pip i seem to recall what you did when we had a ryu vs ryu match...and to everybody else, yup you probably guessed it........hadouken after hadouken while i was trying to get in close range to fight properly

[fear_tetsuo]

STFU 2000warrior! DOnt tell me to stop flaming this topic, which i am not. I am giving my opinion on this subject, so shut the hell up!! . Nosoul-once again your inability read and understand what i am talking about and referring to has caused u to demise what i have written. When i was referring to over coming things in xmvssf, i was referring the the real game not this one. People had to over come things in the real game that they didnt like and didnt bitch about it or try to get rid of it like you you p***y. And now my own words will crush me??? WTF,u trying to make me look stupid by using my words against me clearly didnt work. Yes i was a haduken user, because trying to beat people with other moves that lagged and werent useful was just pointless. You cant play this game like the REAL GAME. You seriously have to be semi-retarded. You cant use tactics from the real game and try to use them to back up your words in this game. The things u say would work in the real game but not in this POS. "and no you dont need aerial combo's and infinite supers in order to play Ryu legitimitly in this game." For once u r right, u dont need all that stuff in this game because it isnt available!!!!!!!Wolvy users have to rush down on you because he doesnt have any projectile's, that is why wolvy users usually lose to ryu users in THIS GAME, NOT THE REAL GAME.

[SSJKarma]

2kwarrior: i wouldn't continu anyway... he's just too stupid to notice how this game is really played. but anyway !

one last question to you fear...
if i follow your statements, you mean that WOLVERINE and CHUNLI doesn't even stand a chance in this game and are completely useless cause they can't do projectiles and hand to hand is impossible ?

really, learn to play fear !
there are way more strategies then throwing hadokens which tends to be beaten easily anyway... at least for me, i do kill a lot of those HADOKEN THROWERS and all that easily !

nosoul... putting a lock on the numbers of hadoken isn't a good way to stop em. i think it would be better if what 2kwarrior said would be implemented. hadokens are too fastly coming out, they should be coming out slower. just like tmyapp did with the optics blasts of cyclops.

also, i think VARIAL could really need a tweak !
i mean that i fought one guy, 1 on 1 tag, he started at level three supers and right in the begining he did a varial and since we all know already know that 2 supers on you leaves you about 10% health and less... then it is clear that one varial right in the begiining kills the first char right away !

why ?
because during varial, you got infinite supers !
and since most of the supers take away 40-50% health in one shot, you clearly see the problem here !

supers during VARIAL should be taking a lot less damage !

[Toon-Ryu]

I do not agree or disagree, but how can you say have skill when there isn't even a combo system yet. You can't launch your opponet then do all these air combo's to do damage. If you call punching, kicking, and all those other moves skill your wrong. I also agree that you should slow down the repetive process. I was only arguing about limiting them but guess where talking about how fast there executed.

LOL I was finally banned!!!!! Its about god damn time, after all the bad things i have said to soo many people(ie:mods,#####,vets,regulars, etc......). But I would have rather been banned by tmyapp or zing79, not by a ego-tripping baby like 2000warrior(your such a god damn loser, mabye if i had sucked up to u i would not have been banned). Well this is all I have to say on this topic.
KArma-Yes wolvy and chun li dont stand a chance against ryu in THIS GAME since they cant to projectiles. If this game engine was the same as the REAL GAME then wolvy and chun would stand a chance because of the vast amount of things that can be done in the REAL GAME. CAn you please give some examples of things that can be done instead of doing hadukens? Everyone keeps telling me that u can do soo much more to win a game then doing hadukens....can anyone pretty please give an example? Argh!!!!! dont u guys know that in the REAL GAME ryu is a rushdown/ projectile character. Rushing down is basically dashing in fast and trying to confuse the other person by attacking high-then low-then high again, to try and catch the person off gurad to do dir combos and other moves. You cant rushdown in this game, so the only thing ryu can do is use his projectiles to fight. This is the real reason why i quit this game. I love playing Magneto, magneto is a 100% pure rushdown character who relies on AIR COMBOS and rushing down to cause damage to the opponent. And since u cant do either AIR COMBOS or rushdown, magneto is basically useless in this game. Do you guys understand that? Same thing with storm. Now do u people understand what i am talking about?

[mastaq]

Fear simple question.. If you don't like this game, why are you still here bitching? :laughlong:

Because i dont think other ppl should have to suffer just because someone thinks something in this game is unfair and wants it limited,slowed down or whatever.

[Majincloud]

##### need haduken for thier starting move but they do abuse it though

[iTALY]

How bout we just leave it the way it is and u guys just stop crying about losing...I bet whoever made this topic just made it cuz he lost to some noob that hadoken him to death....

and to whoever says u cant get close or whatever just super jump over them.... ;)

[Koopsta]

NoSoul i aggree with u :buttrock: Im one of those skilled ryu users with honor hate it with all these top ranked fireball junkies :angryfire:

[SSJKarma]

xmvst: many other tactics can be used to play as offensive as you can or as defensive as you can. you just gotta know your character and your evasion moves !

first: evasive is the real way to do things... SUPER JUMPS makes you very vulnerable in lots of circumstances, but in the case of a super, it just throw you out of the way and make you close in while the opponent cannot even do anything because he is still on his SUPER ANIMATION !

secondly, dashes have been implenmented in this game, so if the guy has jumped up and threw an hadoken, you can dash-in and pass right under his attack and boom, you can rape him hard cause punches and kicks are coming fast in this game !

thirdly: some charcaters like wolverine and chunli have other evasive moves you know, you gotta know them that's all... example: wolverine has his DASHING CLAWS attack, it passes thru anything (ie, cannot be touched while doing it) so you can use that move to get close to your oppponent, good offensive and defensive move !

chunli can consecutively without touching ground, jumps 3 times in a row. don't tell me you didn't know that ! that can be very usefull to avoid a super, confusing your opponent or simply getting some air to get some time to think on how to get on your opponent ! also, she has lots of air attacks with her lightning kick that can be done in mid-air. ideal to throw in your opponent sdome damage and force him to get on ground ! or if you prefer, to make sure he back-off of you !

see, you just gotta know your character !

to the one who said there was no combo system in here...
i ask you, what's the difference between real game and this game ?
i'll tell you, a lot !
first: the real game cannot be played online and the real game when played thru kaillera has the very same lag, so how could your combo system working right ? really, kaillera is very buggy but it is being used that much cause its the only way to fight online !

combo's, what are they good for ?
we didn't have them in the very first street fighters games, was the games sucking hard because of that ? no they were original and very good. real fighters don't need to attack, they just need to know their games and characters moves !

example: in DEAD OR ALIVE series, do you really need to combo all the time hoping to kill your opponent before he kils you ? if so then you must be one of the very sucking players of that game, cause the fact is, you don't need to be on your opponent 100% of the time to win a match !

combo's are 50% of the game, the other 50% is your abilities to play and your abilities to make tactics so you can win !
so i say, who need a combo system to be happy when you got a real good online fighting game ?

iTALY: for fact, NOSOUL4EVER made this topic, i know for a fact that he can easily vaporized any HADOKEN HAPPY PLAYERS. i too can easily beat lots of them, not all, but lots ! but the problem is all the same, its not about we lose or win, its all about strategies. example: even if you win or lose in playing KILLER INSTINCT (i know its very old, but perfect for this example) if the guy you keep losing/winning against is doing the same strategies over and over again, won't you think he annoying as hell to always do the very same tactics in every single fight he does ?

that's what were fighting for in this topic.
when will people learn that HADOKEN SHOOTING doesn't make you win. its stupid to think that it is the only to do in a game where most of the top score is composed of wolvie and chunli user which are both close range fighters ! so if the top score is like that, then why continuing to think RYU is th eonly capable fighter in this game ?

even better question...
why do you keep coming back if you think that game sucks ?
it just doesn't make sens !
so i tell you, if you're gonna say such poor arguments, then just stay out of this topics, cause saying the game sucks isn't arguing, its insulting what tmyapp took nights to bring us !

[pip99]

nosoul4evr: Your poll choices explicitly say:

- Yes, Hadokens are abused and need to be limited...Players need to learn a new technique.
- NO! Dont change the Hadoken..I'd have no skill then.

1st point: Hadoukens needing to be limited? If you're referring to limiting the number of times you use them then (as has been said before EVERY time a topic turns up like this), then it will never happen. If you did that, tneh people would bitch to get optic blasts limited... or web ball's... or drill claws... or Sentinel Beams... practically anything you can think of that's remotely cheap.

However, I am not without sympathy for your cause. There are way too many unskilled people who really 100% on hadoukens even when they know how to do other moves (ex: aftermath does this all the time, but I've seen him do dragon punches and other "regular" moves when you get too close in on him)... and losing to these people does nothing but piss you off. But I'll direct your attention to the main problem here... 2 things that happen that make the hadouken very annoying.

1st its response rate is a bit too fast... you'll notice this was the problem with slide claw and optic sweep, but both have been toned down without hadoukens being touched. That I would consider a reasonable adjustment/complaint to TMyApp.

2nd, any/all projectile moves jack up your super metter much too quickly. Go into the game and test out raising your level bar with hp hadoukens against lp hadoukens. It's something like half the speed (if you stand right next to the ai since lp is a lot slower in traveling). Even at that kind of speed... it jacks up your super meter too fast. I'd suggest dramatically dropping that (to something like raising your level bar by only 1 grey bar) for all fast projectiles.

2nd point: Pip's arguements are made pretty legitimate by that comment that little comment that "I'd have no skill" for the no choice... especially if they're under the impression that you want it limited as in how many times you can use it. If you want 10 non cheap Ryu users, here they are:
*note: non because it's spelled that way. None means nothing at all (dictionary.com).

- DarkVirus
- Doomtrain
- Case
- Tidus2K2
- myself
- you (apparently you say so)
- Dark Masta
- pip99
- DX Zero
- supersaiyanz10
- DA_VIPA
MIG read.

[DanYankees]

After reading through all that, I'd like to say I NEED THE HADOKEN. The hadoken is all part of the strategy. By using the hadokens it is the most fast and efficient way to build their level up and do damage to their opponent.

I don't totally agree with the hadoken after hadoken method. I like to integrate super jumps, a few kicks, and shoryukens into the battles as well. But the hadokens set the foundation to winning a battle.

So the hadokens should NOT be limited.

[Toon-Ryu]

I do know there's other skill's then Hadoken's and the only time I do them is before some one's executes a special. I do know skill. All I am saying is if there is a limit or what ever your talking about to Hadoken's then player's will abuse other moves(which is not the subject), and so on and on; untill Ryu won't even stand a chance. So calm down and leave it alone. And all I am saying is I know there is no combo system, that's why some people do this but I am not saying there should be one but If there was then some people might not be doing Hadoken after and after. And one more thing, I have played Kaillera, and the people I faced there barely had lag, but I never play it because there's more people here to face then there.

(Not on Topic)Just pretend there were no Hadokens in the game. Then what would players do, Shoryeken after Shoryeken then somebody will go make a topic about that and then you see eversingle move Ryu has is being abused. Other then Hadoken's player other people I have seen is Punching all the time. That's no tactic either.

[bloodpack]

ok, let me end this argument
ppl wanna know their true fighting skills?
then someone fight me...

ryu vs ryu
no specials or supers
only fists and kicks
lets see whos really good in online hand-to-hand combat :)
meh we did that match.
nope, we didnt, we still used normal hadokens and super spinning kick

All right, something you guys need to keep in mind is that you're not always going to be in a Ryu v. Ryu fight (where all of your arguements are coming from). If you want to slow down the hadouken's response rate then you're going to need to slow down the response rate/level builder of all the projectiles.

Ex: Spiderman's "web ball" comes out at almost the same speed as the hadouken, and even faster in the air. If you do any kind of dramatic decrease in the hadouken's speed then it's going to get a lot harder for Ryu users to play against web ball-only Spiderman users.

You'd also notice this trend from playing against drill claw abusers, or beam users... even kou ken only chun li's will be a lot harder for Ryu's to stand up against with his own projectiles.

If you think about it, then there's only 2 real options you can expect for this path to take:

1. Dead end, nothing happens with anyone's projectiles.

2. Everyone's projectile's and projectile-like moves are decreased in speed.

I would "like" to see the 2nd one taken action upon where in we'd see a lot more slide claw like moves, but I'm going to see where everyone goes with this.

Just a side note, response time was dramatically lowered in both the optic sweep and slide claw... both seemed to have worked out fairly well in cyclops users tend to use a different projectile and wolverine users tend to use a different bolt/dash type attack.

[nosoul4evr]

I am with 2K on issue #2.
I'd like to point out that is not just the speed a projectile travels..it is also it's execution...as in..the time it takes Ryu (or projectile character) to "wind up' for a hadoken could be changed and that would alter the hadoken...
When another hadoken may be keyed and executed would also alter the hadoken.
How long Ryu stands "poised" ( spelling ??? ) just after releasing a hadoken, would also alter the hadoken.
Lots of variable that apply to projectiles can be altered to improve game equality...wich ones were to be changed, if any..would of course be completely upto TMyApps descretion.

Probably would have been better for me to name the topic "projectile limitations" rather than "Hadoken Limitation".....but the title i chose was meant to light a fire under "most players" arses.

Because as Mig stated...
also is it just me or does anybody else think that the line of arguments would be completly different if this topic had been made about limiting cyclops's optic blasts or sentinels heavy punch cos it just seems like most of the people in this game just want ryu because they somehow believe that he is the only non-cheap character in this game



Edited By nosoul4evr on May 06 2003 at 14:27

[DA_VIPA]

personaally i think the hadoukens should be a lil bit limited as should every other characters projectiles...but i dont rely on projectiles since my kicks and punches hit more often.

[G_GUNDAM]

i think that the game should be left alone. ever since i came to this game i hear a lot of people complain about certain moves in the game. well tough!!!!!!!! if you dont like how the game is then dont play at all.


i think the hadoken should not be limited cause it can be fired the same way that ryu fires it in any other game. why make a person weaker then they are already are. personally i dont use the hadoken a lot cause i rely on mym punches and kicks for my insane combos.

Karma-real fighters dont need to attack? Then how is anyone supposed to win a game if nobody attacks? What are combos good for? Wow, if u have ever played any of the "vs" series games,which this game is, then you would know that combos r the only way to deal damage in any of the games. Basically what u r telling me is that u can with with hitting and running, because combos arent good. Sure i could dash in hit u once, and run away and do it all over again. But wtf, how would games ever end if u only did that? COMBOS cause alot of damage, that is why they are in the real game and because they take skill to do. "they just need to know their games and characters moves !" What? so all people need to do to win is know how to kick and punch? If you have ever seen anyone play any "vs" series game, u wont see people just dashing in with a kick and running away. You will see people do anywhere from 5 to 50 hit combos(depending on the game), let me repeat that COMBOS. Because combos cause damage, not hitting and running. Seriously go and download a video of a real match and tell me what u see, because i know u will see people doing COMBOS because that is what wins the game u moron!!!!!! "the real game cannot be played online and the real game when played thru kaillera has the very same lag, so how could your combo system working right ?" Once again, have u ever played the real game online through kaillera? Because if you did, you wouldnt have written those words. The real game on kaillera doesnt lag like this game. When this game lags, it gets slow,people's health doesnt go down, and people teleport from one side to the other. When the real game on kaillera lags, the games just slows down alittle(or the music skips), or desync's. Your health always goes down when u get hit, and it works 100% of the time. You dont teleport, and your health doest not go down. See you just made it clear that u made up that last statement, because everything about it was a lie.

[Toon-Ryu]

I agree everytime I played it, it didn't lag.

[ShinKosai]

lol this topic was made about the time we spared nosoul4evr The idea of this thread didn't come from me did it? ???

I guess the lag is an issue but that's how it is with a lot of things on this game if we limited every skill that caused some lag it would be weird, I agree totally about learning the close quarters fighting though

*goes off to practise Ryu's new super to perfection*

[Toon-Ryu]

That's why leave the game alone. If the combo system ever comes out then I'll agree with nosoul4ever. Since for combos you need lot's of skill.

[josue78]

I think the hadoukens should be limited. But then again a skilled fighter could attack and block most hadukens. There's and advatage to this game than in the arcade. if you block most of the time the hit wont even take off a little bit of your life bar. So yes limit them but know there is also skill in blocking them.
:alien:

[sledgehammer]

I think it should be left alone, theres only a few other moves you can do with ryu. :angry:

[cuteboi]

Yeah, I think it should be left alone because Hadoken are useful in a tight spot.

[TarkanX]

Well, lets see the options Ryu has:

Shoryuken: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku(turning around with your leg like an idiot): Your begging for a beat down.

Shinkuu Tastumaki Senpuu Kyaku(super spin kick): Only works for people who don't know how to play, or one of those 1% crapshoots(and we know how crapshoots in this game suck).

Up close game: The normals, Ryu's useful key in the past, it''s been downgraded, starting from the corner trap, and now. There are still some use full normals, but it's mostly just to help raise meter(Crouching MP, Standing HK, Jump in HK, Crouching HP for a crappy anti-air, but one better than Shoryuken).

Up close(which is most of the time used for raising meter), and hadouken/Shinkuu Hadouken are Ryu's only strategies for attacking, negate(or slow down) the hadouken, and you have one really crappy character, and when I mean crap(remember veterans), think about Wolverine during the ToC1 time. But there might be a way for Ryu becoming a bad character, if you make changes to other characters.


Wolverine: Make his recovery on his drill claw longer.

Chunli: Make her fireball faster, and have less recovery time(Wow, that'll be really dangerous)

Sentinel: Make him have a bit more recovery time, or at least have him have a delay at start up with the beam execution. Or you could make the beam just a one hit combo, like MvC2.

Cyclops: Make him have a delay at start up executing the blast. Even though Cyclops is cheap, if you slowdown, or negate his optic blasts, then you make him a bad character by getting rid of his only strategy, yes, that's right, his only strategy, I would like someone to name any other strategy he has other than the blasts. Gene Splice? Look at Shoryuken. Cyclone Kick? A worse TSK. Charging beat up move? As bad as the buccaneers in their first 2 seasons. I could only see a blatant strategy of using the standing HP, and optic blast(but with bad delay, how will that work?

Spider Man: haven't played Spider Man since last year I believe... Make him have a delay with the web balls.

[mooo1]

I think the hadoken should be left alone only when there is less lag, so you can actually be fast enough to do a super jump to your opponent and pummel him for playing cheap. I lost a lot of battles where i tried to play fair and the other guy just kept powering up his level by doing hadokens, and then going into the variable attack mode and then beating me up... I hate it when people play cheap like that...

[SSJKarma]

Well, lets see the options Ryu has:

Shoryuken: HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Tatsumaki Senpuu Kyaku(turning around with your leg like an idiot): Your begging for a beat down.

Shinkuu Tastumaki Senpuu Kyaku(super spin kick): Only works for people who don't know how to play, or one of those 1% crapshoots(and we know how crapshoots in this game suck).

Up close game: The normals, Ryu's useful key in the past, it''s been downgraded, starting from the corner trap, and now. There are still some use full normals, but it's mostly just to help raise meter(Crouching MP, Standing HK, Jump in HK, Crouching HP for a crappy anti-air, but one better than Shoryuken).

Up close(which is most of the time used for raising meter), and hadouken/Shinkuu Hadouken are Ryu's only strategies for attacking, negate(or slow down) the hadouken, and you have one really crappy character, and when I mean crap(remember veterans), think about Wolverine during the ToC1 time. But there might be a way for Ryu becoming a bad character, if you make changes to other characters.


Wolverine: Make his recovery on his drill claw longer.

Chunli: Make her fireball faster, and have less recovery time(Wow, that'll be really dangerous)

Sentinel: Make him have a bit more recovery time, or at least have him have a delay at start up with the beam execution. Or you could make the beam just a one hit combo, like MvC2.

Cyclops: Make him have a delay at start up executing the blast. Even though Cyclops is cheap, if you slowdown, or negate his optic blasts, then you make him a bad character by getting rid of his only strategy, yes, that's right, his only strategy, I would like someone to name any other strategy he has other than the blasts. Gene Splice? Look at Shoryuken. Cyclone Kick? A worse TSK. Charging beat up move? As bad as the buccaneers in their first 2 seasons. I could only see a blatant strategy of using the standing HP, and optic blast(but with bad delay, how will that work?

Spider Man: haven't played Spider Man since last year I believe... Make him have a delay with the web balls.
now someone's who's talking the good way !

if you people can only brag about how unfair it seems, then get the hell out of here fast. constructive talk is the only way to get things done !

ok, first of all, i didn't say that COMBO'S were nothing !
i said that its not because you don't sdee the "WORD"
AIR COMBO or MONSTER COMBO appearing that it mean we don't have combo's !
by definition a COMBO is multiple hits given rapidly, for all i know we can easily do that cause you actually see the hit meter getting up after each hit.

ok, now for tarkan...
again, why are you still here playing if the game sucks ?
but i agree, tweaking must be done here and there !
spiderman too fast ?
well...
i think not, tho i never really uised the web balls on the floor much, i usually get air before doing one, and in the air, they are just fine, you can throw two maximum before getting on the ground, and that's if you are in normal mode. on turbo you barely is able to make one, unless you SPIDER KICK the other way and then do one again ! but that's a strategie that is pretty much useless !

as for wolverine, i agree, his speed is a very very very very big problem, now that one is pretty damn fast ! he really should be tweak !

chunli... her fireball shouldn't be that fast, but it shouldn'T be that slow either !
other then that, she's pretty fine !

ryu tatsu maki... well it does hit cause of lag, but really, i hit people with it and that's when you know their startegie ! true that against HADOKEN THROWER it doesn't hit, but if you see the oppnoent coming at you all the time, then its easy to hit them with it !

sentinel is fine that way, after all, he's a long range fighter... he can easily wipe out a close range fighter in close range, but you gotta have skill with him to actually use him that well !

as for cyclops, well if his moves were any faster and could have any better accuracy, then maybe people wouldn't be that cheap with him... optics are flying everywhere cause except for the little HK then CYCLONE KICK combo, there is pretty much no moves that actually hit the opponent with ! so basically cyclops is asking the players to be optic blast players ! that's why he is so cheap ! well in my opinion !

anyway... i agree wit tark on the changes that must be made, but about the moves to be NOT USEFULL except for HADOIKEN, that i'm against ! the other moves have their way to be done, but even the shinkuu isn't even capable of hitting. the very same way as the shinkuu TATSU ! i mean that if you still get hit by the shinkuu then you are as idiot as the one that get kicked by the shinkuu tatsu !

this game is more of a luck game right now, but ever since the game's lag as been reduced to a hundreds of miliseconds of ping, then the game skillfullness as been greatly improved, nowe you gotta jave skills to actually be able to hit, like hadokens are easily avoided now, while back then, they were not avoidable at all !

[MasterX05]

SHUT UP! There is no dam combo system, there is no air combo engine. What you call combos are some bullpoopty moves you make up. There is no combos in this game ppl. No real ones. For spidey I rule with him cause of his great air combo that I always pull of in MvsC.

Same with ryu even thou he only has 1 air combo 5 to 6 hits that is good. Ive kicked a person in the air three times did I do a air combo. HELL NO! If a chun-li user pops a player in mid air with her lighting kick was that a air-combo HELL NO! No dam air combo system if there was wolvrine tornado claw would be one, Gene splice would be one even chun-li air super and ryu's tornado kick. You see spidey is useless to me all u can do is spidey kick and web ball thats it. He's upper cut is crappy and it doesnt always thow the person up and slam them back down.

If there was a air combo engine then ill would use spidy cause thats the main reason I use him in the pther games

[SSJKarma]

like i said, no one ever listen to what i say !

did i say we had combo's in this game ?
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span>

the only thing i said is that basically we have what you can call a basic combo system, cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ? i doubt it... that's the actual definition of a combo !

so basically yes, we have combo's, not grooves or anything like those infinites i heard about so much, but combo's nonetheless ! i never said we had any engine made of for combo's, hell there shouldn't even be any combo doing ! but the characters are so fast that moves comes out fast enought to make it look like one. and since multiple consecutives hits are a combo ! so i don't care if its a MADE UP one. i know its one !

[Scorponok]

like i said, no one ever listen to what i say !

did i say we had combo's in this game ?
<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>! NO !</span>

cause really... a combo is basically multiple hits one after the other, am i not right ?
Well.. add "that are unblockable"

[MasterX05]

You say we have some "basic combo system" I am telling u there are no REAL COMBOS, NONE and there can only be combos if there is a combo system. Ill admit some ground combos work but not to great, like Ryu's dash foward crouch then do low kick med kick and round house kick. A simple 3 hit combo that Ryu and Ken can do. But it doesnt come out right it goes too slow. You say a "combo is basically multiple hits one after the other" So if I did potic blast over and over till it got to 12 hits I did a real combo that u could find on something like Gamefaqs? Or if I hit some one with lighting kick and dont stop did I do a simply "basic combo"? Another im Ryu in the corner and all i did was crouch down and hit weak puch Repeatedly did I pull of a amazing 25 hit combo?

[WhiteTigerClaw]

Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ???

[darkFlash88]

Of course they have to be limited....Slow it down just like you did with the optic blasts....Lots of ##### abuse these powers. They would do anything just to get 1 power gauge bar up..... ???
i think they should be limited too but what you are saying is the new*ies are like wild animals trying to do anything to just win a match and wen i first played this game witch was like in 2002 or something i was a ####ie and i wasnt doin anthing even close to cheating and i got my rank down to at the best like 45 or something but anyways who cares bout rank i dont..... well rank is pretty cool feature to this game but anyways my point is not all ####ies are like wild animals that will do anything just so they can win cause i didnt ;)

[G_GUNDAM]

arent hadokens already limited. i could swear that when i fight people and they throw mad fireballs the disappear in the middle of the screen. cause didnt someone mention somethin about that happening. besides if u cant get around fireballs then u need some more skillz cause u dont have any. cause i know i can get around them easy.

masterxo5-thank you. Now mabye karma will realize that if other ppl like you,aside from me, have these opinions karma will understand how little he actually knows.


Dont you see karma? Other ppl have the same opinions as me!!! Masterx05 cleary has played the other "vs" series games unlike you. So Shut the #### up and learn something before making stupid posts that prove that you are an idiot!!!!

[Nitroglycerin]

In the chat room:
Me: lets fight
Other person: ok
In game:
Other person: hadoken hadoken hadoken hadoken
Me: *jumps up in the air only to be received by an uppercut and some more hadokens*
Other person: shinku hadoken!
Me: *jumps up in the air lands behind the other person and lets loose*
Other person: *teleports across the screen due to lag and fires more hadokens*
Me: *dodges or blocks all of them, gets in close only to get whacked by a kick or punch then more hadokens*
Other person: shinku hadoken!
Me: *takes full blast of it while dodgeing the lesser hadokens and falls to the ground, You Lose is declared on screen*

[darkFlash88]

that was the funniest thing ive hurd in this whole forum!!! lmao :laughlong: :laughlong: :laughlong:

[MagicX]

I myself am very bothered by all these people claiming to be "ultimate fighters" when all they do is double super hadoukens and create lag up the ass and kill you. But also if you are a good player you should be able to dodge/block/counter a super hadouken move, any move for that matter.
This topic is actually quite useless besides to create more flaming and let people wine about how weak they really are.

[sledgehammer]

In the chat room:
Me: lets fight
Other person: ok
In game:
Other person: hadoken hadoken hadoken hadoken
Me: *jumps up in the air only to be received by an uppercut and some more hadokens*
Other person: shinku hadoken!
Me: *jumps up in the air lands behind the other person and lets loose*
Other person: *teleports across the screen due to lag and fires more hadokens*
Me: *dodges or blocks all of them, gets in close only to get whacked by a kick or punch then more hadokens*
Other person: shinku hadoken!
Me: *takes full blast of it while dodgeing the lesser hadokens and falls to the ground, You Lose is declared on screen*
Reminds me of when I fight most ryu's, but I just beat them up with my sent :D

[steven159]

:buttrock: yea i hate it wen ppl us those damn hadokens!!!!!!!cos they dont know anyotha moves lolhttp://shin_ryu10.tripod.com/ryuhurricane.gif :buttrock:

[sledgehammer]

Hadokens are just the same as Chun Li's fireballs, cyclop's optic blast, sentinal's sent force, spider-man's web ball and wolverine's berserker barrage. I don't see anyone complaining about these moves, so I think it doesn't need to be changed :angry:

[Scorponok]

Hadokens are just the same as Chun Li's fireballs, cyclop's optic blast, sentinal's sent force, spider-man's web ball and wolverine's berserker barrage. I don't see anyone complaining about these moves, so I think it doesn't need to be changed :angry:
They aren't quite the same...

Ryu's hadoken can pin you against the wall in air, the guy can just do it over and over :S

Sentinel can't do any aerial moves (Rocket Punch)

[sledgehammer]

My point is that is that every persons fireballs, rockets etc, can be abused not just Ryu

[hadoken king]

Leave the hadoken as is..

All moves can be abused and used cheaply i.e (rocket punch and the low optic blast); so I say you should leave the hadoken the way it is.

btw ssjkarma this game has no kind of combo system your making yourself look stupid..=\

[SSJKarma]

i know there are no REAL PREMADE COMBO's in itself !
but have you ever heard the word CUSTOM COMBO ?

basically a combo isn't just a predfined set of keys that if pressed can hit the opponent a lot of times... a combo is basically mutliple hits that connects to the opponent. and so on, with a mimnimum of lag (which i happend to have when i host) i can easily pin the opponent in the corner and give him a full 5 or 6 hit before he can even think of retaliate !

that's what i mean !
so for me, there are combo's !
not PREMADE like in the VS SERIES... but custom that you can easily do by pushing the damn buttons one after the other, reguardless of what happens !

[Mage_Of_Power]

I think that your correct , nosoul4ever, but i believe that regular hadokens should not be limited, while shinju hadokens should.

[Evil~Akuma]

shinkuu hadoken can pass through a hadoken

[darkFlash88]

forget the hadoken!!

[castone_86]

I think that your correct , nosoul4ever, but i believe that regular hadokens should not be limited, while shinju hadokens should.
how exactly do you do rapid shinku hadokens? i'd like to know...

you can't do more than 3 at a time... and if you do do them all at once , then you're a flat out moron for being fooled by lag.

hadokens SHOULD but restricted. i'm behind you 100% on this, NoSoul. Hadoken ##### are just a lesser form of cyclops #####. hadokens cause hella lag.

[XtremetheZealot]

Don't they work the same way as spiderman's web balls? I believe you could only have one weball/hadouken on at one time.

[G_GUNDAM]

just leave ryu's moves alone. i swear people try to find ways to weaken characters to their advantage. i said it once and ill say it again, if your having problems with certain opponents moves then u need some serious skillz.

[KidKrazyShit]

just leave ryu's moves alone. i swear people try to find ways to weaken characters to their advantage. i said it once and ill say it again, if your having problems with certain opponents moves then u need some serious skillz.
EXACTLY what g_gundam said.

Ok, this topics been going on for over 2 months. topic closed.