Cyclops - His being "cheap"

[blanka09]

Now this is just a suggestion. In many cases people host games and tell their challengers that Cyclops is not allowed(probably for a good cause) cause their opponent(s) might end up being "cheap". Anyway I thought it might be good if the amount of optic blasts and optic sweeps can be limited in a game by a cyclops user. As in the number of times you can do the optic blast and the optic sweep should be limited. Then the opponent has to fight with the other moves which are not considered to be cheap. It should be in such a way, that after the allocated amount of optic blasts and sweeps have been exhaused the fighter cannot do it again until another game.
P.S. This is just a suggestion.

[bloodpack]

well, they might as well limit ryu's hadoken, chun li's kikou shou, wolvie's BBX, spidey's web ball, etc...

[pip99]

well, they might as well limit ryu's hadoken, chun li's kikou shou, wolvie's BBX, spidey's web ball, etc...
enough said

[ssj2trunks52]

shut up pip dam...

we could all tell it was "enough said"....

[da_realX]

are u referring to me blanka?

[blanka09]

Not at all.
I just thought that since people do not like cyclops on their game(because of the fear of "cheapness" by the opponent). Cyclops might become a useless fighter there except you want to practice. Imagine clans have been challenging themselves for wars with the infamous tag, "NO CYCLOPS". So I thought that would be better

[pip99]

shut up pip dam...

we could all tell it was "enough said"....
i said that so no1 else needed 2 post...but u came in with uncessary hate spam... ???

[asshole]

Blanka, this is a REALLY good idea, but like bloodpack said, you might as well limit EVERY move of every chr., then.

Well, it's time to turn this Idea around a bit!
Why don't we limit this move, so we can't do it for a while, like 10 secs, after doing it 5 times?
I mean we all know it's FASTER than any move of any character, so THIS NEEDS to be limited!
I could be JUST like the super jumPs...

How about that Idea TMyApp?

[Wave Master]

I agree with asshole it should be limited but the thing is TMyApp probably won't do it it'll take too long of an update and if he does decide to do something like this then we won't have a new character or anything.

[TMyApp]

i.. dont think we'll be bastardazing the game JUST yet :biggrin:

... how about we continue to tweak Cyclops until he is "less cheap" ?? :biggrin:

[KickurassKen]

i.. dont think we'll be bastardazing the game JUST yet :biggrin:

... how about we continue to tweak Cyclops until he is "less cheap" ?? :biggrin:
I agree because those dam suckers in the WT31 got mad at me for being cheap :buttrock:

[MIG]

maybee you should just learn how to get around him instead of having to label every cyke user as being cheap because he really isn't if you actually learn how to fight properly with him

[TMyApp]

MIG: i've been trying to tell em' that for years... but... for some of the people who play the game.. the rule is simple:

if its not Ryu, its cheap :biggrin:

[asshole]

TMy, now yer just talkin' smack because CycloPs is your favorite chr. Have you ever even fought a normal Dyke user on a different Alias? You'd see how cheaP things get, and ESPECIALLY if yer a toP rank Player. I mean, Tidus beat STL twice in the last scores, by being CycloPs and then coming in toP 10!

And it's not like we say that "Ryu users" aren't cheaP, it's just that CycloPs users ARE(more) cheaP, so we have to sPeak out! I mean, with CycloPs it's SO HARD to be not cheaP, he has sucky moves, and the only ones that will keeP you alive are the OPtics!
So hell, why not be called cheaP?

And wait... Onslaught's cheap, all he has is super moves! And now Chun li's cheap... all her attacks are too powerful! But wait... Sentinel has/had sentinel force, he's cheap! And Cyclops has his optic blast... that's cheap! :biggrin:

asshole: In a game where lag is a prodominant factor... there's no way around being cheap. Limiting or reducing the amount of times you can use a basic attack because some players find it cheap is absolutely ridiculous. And, well the thing you're gonna have to change is yourself.

Consider this, every cheap player/character relies on one thing: a strict patern of ridgidity. If they didn't, there would be variety in their fighting, giving them/the character no basis for being cheap. However, once you identify exactly what it is that they're doing, it's pretty easy to beat your opponent with whoever you're using. I'll give you three instances of why this negates your arguement:

1. (player being cheap). I was playing this Spiderman user (can't even remember the sn), but all he did was jump backwards and use web balls... and that was his ENTIRE strategy. So... after a while of experimenting with everyone's favorite character, Ryu, I eventually got into the habit of jumping with him and doing hadokens. Because he was too stupid to block them/varry his playing style, it got the better of him, until he resorted to spider kicks on the last stretch of his health. The rest wasn't difficult. In this instance, the player was cheap as hell, but it wasn't necessarily the character because both characters were used in a similarly cheap manner.

2. (cheap character). Recently, I played da_realx. He was using Spiderman (the new "cheap character"), and I was using Ryu as usual. And of course, I immediately thought there was no way I could beat him since he'd cleaned the floor with me before with his "super vip spider". However, I adapted to Spiderman's moves... spider kicks, symbiote bites, and web balls, and those damn "maximum spiders", and eventually beat the poor guy :biggrin: . Now, taking into account that it was his host and he was/is an experienced user with the supposedly "cheap/supperior" character, how do you account for the fact that I could have won my match using the under-priviledged character unless you come to the realization that it's not totally the character that wins a match, but who uses them and how they fight?

3. (cheap character and player). Another recent match I had against a Cyclops choser (forget the name), however I was using Ryu (again on his host). Now, he did the usual nuffin' but optic blast, I did the usual get close to the bastard and beat the hell outa him... however it didn't work this time and he kept catching my character off as soon as I'd start hitting him. I was confused about this at first until I started getting close then blocking until an opportunity presented itself to jump OVER his character.. wait for him to quit blasting, and beat the hell outa him. In this case I won against both one of your cheap characters and a cheap player. And there is nothing I can think of other then "it's all up to YOU who wins these cheap fights."

So the moral of the story is... because every time you fight a cheap player/character, their basic attack/moves won't change from round to round... confrentation to confrentation.. it's just you against a perpetual motion machine, and up to you to beat it. If you can't figure out how to bypass their "cheap" attacks.. well you lose. 1 more loss to your score, and that's it.

And as for characters not being balanced... I think the fact is pretty well documented that TMyApp has been (and still is) tweaking all characters to try to balance out the playing feild. But as always, there will be characters that are better then others and characters that are worse then others... and it's your decision of how to adapt to your environment.

*cough* well poster's cramp ya know... :biggrin:

[bloodpack]

hey! i have a good idea!
cancel cyke's optics and put hadokens in his visors!
maybe then they wouldnt call him cheap

of course thats a sarcasm

[blanka09]

hey! i have a good idea!
cancel cyke's optics and put hadokens in his visors!
maybe then they wouldnt call him cheap

Lol
Well I guess I have to agree with TMyApp and learn how to get around cyclops with the help of the helpers(especially the likes of blanka and hulk). I just posted the topic becuase too many people do not want cyclops in their game when they host and it sort of makes him useless ???
Thanks anyway :laugh:

[bloodpack]

well, youll just have to live with that
im a cyke user, and most ppl beat me with cyke
if youre really good, you dont have to worry about cheapness

btw, tmyapp, youll continue to tweak cyke
you might as well remove him in the game... :plain:

[asshole]

2000warrior, I totally agree with you on the things you said, about anybody being cheaP and stuff, and getting with the groove. But why don't you fight me one day, and then we'll see if you can get a way out of it!

Dude, Dykes' Optics are so fast, you don't even have time to block once yer hit with one! Cuz once ryu's hit, he moves back for a second, and then he's stuck with being his ass getting all red!

Still don't believe me? Fight me one day, and the only thing you'll say to me is "CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!!"
And I only said to limit his moves, like the suPer jumP! Unless TMyApp really wants to give Ryu Hadoukens that Travel at the sPeed of lightning, which is what I Prefer!

Fight you one day? Sure (as soon as I get the time too).

However, I doubt I'll find your strategy as/very cheap since you'll probably be smart enough to "block" supers and avoid attacks (unlike actual cheap bastard ##### who do NOTHING but sit their arse down and lp optic blast).

[asshole]

Once again, I get what yer saying, that you can out-beat the cheaP Player.. because you COULD be the smarter Player, but if it's DykeloPs, they're using, it doesn't take much brains to be cheap!


Like with Chun-li, you have to Jump uP, and then get them stuck in the lightning kick.
With Spidey, you have to keeP jumPing to do the moves.
With Ryu, you have to wait until the Hadouken dissaPPeras to do another one.
With Sent, well it's also easy with him...

Get the drill?
What with CycloPs, it's EASY to get stuck in them!
They Travel SOOOO fast!
But, i'd still like to fight against you one day, to PROVE what im saying, because you wont' have time to hit and I won't need time to block!

[jigga]

well for starters slow cyc down and make his recovery time after he does a blast longer... which will give the opponent more time to evade another one....

[asshole]

Jigga, that's I'm saying, but I think it's suPPOsed to be fast, so Put a LIMIT!

[blanka09]

True true asshole and jigga. Reducing the reaction time of cyclops after one optic blast will do a little good; but I think the main thing is to try and work your way to the other side of cyclops and start your own moves since all your opponent is thinking of is optic blast. ;) :laugh:

[DarkOmega]

Leave it how it is i think if u suc at the game then u sould practice and stop crying about how easly u died

[DanYankees]

Blanka, this is a REALLY good idea, but like bloodpack said, you might as well limit EVERY move of every chr., then.

Well, it's time to turn this Idea around a bit!
Why don't we limit this move, so we can't do it for a while, like 10 secs, after doing it 5 times?
I mean we all know it's FASTER than any move of any character, so THIS NEEDS to be limited!
I could be JUST like the super jumPs...

How about that Idea TMyApp?
Yeah I'm kind of thinking along the lines of "jumplock" (screw that little JL symbol) except its an "opticblast/sweep lock"

[ULT1MATEWAR321]

Its not exactly hard to take out a cheap cyc player if you understand how theey work they repeat the move so fast that with chun or spidey its easy to doge even for an amatuer player.

if u cant beat a cheap player by now give up !!!! :laughlong:

[KickurassKen]

Its not exactly hard to take out a cheap cyc player if you understand how theey work they repeat the move so fast that with chun or spidey its easy to doge even for an amatuer player.

if u cant beat a cheap player by now give up !!!! :laughlong:
words of advice

[WhiteTigerClaw]

blanka, TMyapp already tuned down Cyclops...he made Optic Blasts down 1 frame....that's a good tune down....don't you think? :D

[G_GUNDAM]

why most of yall bitch bout cyc being cheap. cycs real weak ness is close combat. he is slow in close combat. so use that as an advantage.

[blanka09]

Yeah I noticed. He's quite slow but some people are really skilled in using the optic blasts to their advantage. ???
I guess more practice is needed then. Anyway who'll train me? ??? to block and evade the moves