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TMyApp
10-09-2004, 04:31 AM
[color=#000000]alright...

thanks to our wonderful ISP the web version of SFO (along with most of the website) was down for the last 2.5 days... but, as you all know i have said that the next chapter of TLF will continue (in the forum of a new TLF "member" and a brand-new DWX Chronicle) on Oct 9th, 2004 ... and so, here we are :biggrin:

what can u expect in this version ?? well, without going into the info found in the upcoming Chronicle (which should be released later today... ) you might notice that most of the characters were "tweaked"

this includes Bison, Ken, cyc|ops and sp

estset
10-09-2004, 04:41 AM
Whoah this is going to be cool update :)



Edited By estset on 1097322535

pip99
10-09-2004, 04:50 AM
the game's FPS is also locked at 35 (and not 40, as seen in all other versions of SFO)... why ?? simple... the last 5 frames are wasted, and could be responsible for creating some of the lag in the game... so... this change was made... and i guess we'll have to see just how well it works



Omg ive just played youve totally wrecked my game. I dont depend on my laggy 56k

i have a 1.2mb connection my advantage has TOTALLY gone i dont think ill be playing sfo hardly ever now.

its totally wrecked my game play i used to be SUPER fast

i logged on and i was like WTF??? The last 5 frames make a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference more then youll ever no.

god dammit man.........

not cool what so ever wtf man..........this is going to cripple all the users with top off the line pcs and go back to givin the advantage to 56k users every1 ive played so far has said how laggy the game was.....

dam man. not a good idea what so ever.


I go check all the tweaks and stuff now

dammit man 35 fps you GOTTA be kiddin me....i cant use wolve or sent anymore cause you need 40 fps to be an effetive player with them.

Serious those 5 frames make a huge difference in lag and packet loss.


but good works and on the tweaks and stuff i guess.

but man you didnt even ask the community if we wanted that..... man.

Im not having a go at you by the way but from my point of view with my pc.

This is just going back to the OLD way of things when 56k users Owned xmvsf ...... but that all changed with the introduction of cable and broadband to the net HeH lets see how other high speed users thing off this " fps lock ".



Edited By pip99 on 1097323030

estset
10-09-2004, 04:55 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)

pip99
10-09-2004, 04:57 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)
deep sigh..... your out of your depth here. Your 12 right?

estset
10-09-2004, 05:02 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)
deep sigh..... your out of your depth here. Your 12 right?
I just brought my computer yesterday and it very fast I think it faster then speedgear :)

Metal_Ken
10-09-2004, 05:06 AM
I think that 5 frames off was a god idea now everyone will play at the speed of my comp. :)

chicken_wing
10-09-2004, 05:09 AM
Nice update Tmy! i like a certain thing you did to the game my i cant say it cuz it might ruin thr surprise you had for everyone and i think the ppl are gona be happy about it.. :music:

estset
10-09-2004, 05:12 AM
I can't even go to the SFO it said messenge something like that.

pip99
10-09-2004, 05:17 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)
deep sigh..... your out of your depth here. Your 12 right?
I just brought my computer yesterday and it very fast I think it faster then speedgear :)
....dont talk lol.

chicken wing whats that ? Pm me lol

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 05:24 AM
56k power!lol

estset
10-09-2004, 05:24 AM
If chicken wing tell you the suprised it will get ruineing :( So keep it secret today is the day :)

chicken_wing
10-09-2004, 05:27 AM
Im not gonna tell anyone...-_-"

limbei
10-09-2004, 05:43 AM
waited enthuasiastically for a long time for this one....
Judging from what Chicken wing has said, i sure wont be disappointed

pip99
10-09-2004, 05:43 AM
56k power!lol
haha i actually laughed at that lol


cw told me o O...cool.

Hadouken2yoursystem
10-09-2004, 05:48 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)
deep sigh..... your out of your depth here. Your 12 right?
I just brought my computer yesterday and it very fast I think it faster then speedgear :)
....dont talk lol.

chicken wing whats that ? Pm me lol
Pip shut up. watch as u get banned now! HA!

azn_balla
10-09-2004, 05:57 AM
well i dont think that the last five frames would make a difference for ppl wit fast computers...??? ....bt i haven tried playin yet so...we'll jus see...

alamgir
10-09-2004, 06:01 AM
My computer is really fast no lag. :)
deep sigh..... your out of your depth here. Your 12 right?
I just brought my computer yesterday and it very fast I think it faster then speedgear :)
....dont talk lol.

chicken wing whats that ? Pm me lol
Pip shut up. watch as u get banned now! HA!
Nah I think we all know as well as pip that estset cannot relate or understand the situation lol. Anyway like pip i'm having a similar problem. The lag hasn't really been decreased and my game is running as slow as normal when i pick turbo.

azn_balla
10-09-2004, 06:16 AM
well i jus tried the game right now...and yes there is a big difference...and the lag problem hasnt got any better...:(

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 06:24 AM
56k power!lol
haha i actually laughed at that lol


cw told me o O...cool.
Lol dont hate on my 56k...I played on 56k in 2002 too lol and cable all through 2003...56k ownage

pip99
10-09-2004, 06:26 AM
Pip shut up. watch as u get banned now! HA!

sigh....lol.



Nah I think we all know as well as pip that estset cannot relate or understand the situation lol. Anyway like pip i'm having a similar problem. The lag hasn't really been decreased and my game is running as slow as normal when i pick turbo.


Yeah totally alam man....estest has no idea what hes on about

Tmyapp this fps lock is a backwards way of thinking, it gives an even bigger advantage to the lower end pc users. Gaming is always about moving forward woundt you want to benifit higher end pc users.

Ive been playing games only in other peoples host and i move so slow, you woudnt no how much of a difference the 5 frames make to me and users like me "alamgir " so far...i no this will effect more people for the worse. and my blocking doesnt seem much different.

D-Shizznit
10-09-2004, 06:27 AM
OHHH i think he edited 1 more character cuz i just did something new. :p

pip99
10-09-2004, 06:29 AM
well i jus tried the game right now...and yes there is a big difference...and the lag problem hasnt got any better...:(

Heh thats 2 now already in the space of like 20 minutes.

I mean dial up is dying all around the world Broadband is taking over. This fps lock is seriously backwards.

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 06:35 AM
well i jus tried the game right now...and yes there is a big difference...and the lag problem hasnt got any better...:(

Heh thats 2 now already in the space of like 20 minutes.

I mean dial up is dying all around the world Broadband is taking over. This fps lock is seriously backwards.
There is no advantage...TMyApp changed it like that so that people on 56k can stand more of a chance against these cable,t1,and lan users...I was thinking of getting lan for myself but I thought about how am I gonna pay for it?lol Im in college with no job..=\ So im on 56k...If it gives even more of an advantage like your saying it does then Im gonna OWN sfo...=\

alamgir
10-09-2004, 06:37 AM
Ahh I miss my 56k modem.

pip99
10-09-2004, 06:41 AM
If it gives even more of an advantage like your saying it does then Im gonna OWN sfo...=\


It does give you an advntage but you wont LOL..... ..:blues:

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 06:52 AM
[color=#FF8040]Pip I already own you...You havent fought me lately...You cant even beat Dark hado lmao...

Tmyapp:love what you did to sp

pip99
10-09-2004, 07:04 AM
Pip I already own you...You havent fought me lately...You cant even beat Dark hado lmao...


You idoit how can u actually say that i played you best of 7 last week and beat you 4-1 and the one u won i picked wolve =/.......deep sigh

whats been done to spideY?

RyusInvasion
10-09-2004, 07:23 AM
ooo I think I got alittle too excited, my ryu only changing into evil ryu and back to regular not changing into golden =/, and how do I get the red sent? the helper code anyone? :dozingoff:

pip99
10-09-2004, 08:02 AM
ooo I think I got alittle too excited, my ryu only changing into evil ryu and back to regular not changing into golden =/, and how do I get the red sent? the helper code anyone? :dozingoff:
maybe cause you on your vip name.

American_Badass
10-09-2004, 08:27 AM
[color=#32CD32:post_uid2]lol i logged in today and i was like why am i moving so slow?Now i c why..I thought is was my comp.[/color:post_uid2]

pip99
10-09-2004, 08:56 AM
lol i logged in today and i was like why am i moving so slow?Now i c why..I thought is was my comp.
Yeah some of my games are so slow im actually almost annoyed.

some1 got a dam L round win on me earlier. The game was going that slow...even thought my fps was 35 =/

thats 3 now.

raddaman0628
10-09-2004, 08:58 AM
Is it me or ryus hadouken's slower?

pip99
10-09-2004, 09:21 AM
His hado ant slower its your fps lock thing its makes the game sync more but makes us faster users slower......

5 frames does make a difference.

but im still cool only the Odd games its bad.

-
10-09-2004, 09:44 AM
His hado ant slower its your fps lock thing its makes the game sync more but makes us faster users slower......

5 frames does make a difference.

but im still cool only the Odd games its bad.
Pip you are so right. It is SO slow and its annoying and it gets my fingers more tired. Tmy did not think this one through.. I really hope he puts it back to 40.0000 cause this 35.0000 FPS stinks... No offense...

mastergrim8
10-09-2004, 10:04 AM
is it me or is everything a little slower and a little crappy

pip99
10-09-2004, 10:45 AM
HeH serious tymapp listen to the people man, you should told us man id rather have poopty blocking then a slow match and no1 yet has even posted saying there blocking has improved.

Metal_Ken
10-09-2004, 11:18 AM
sfo is now a lagg city. I think that fp thing was a bad decision.

Bob~Marley4004
10-09-2004, 11:40 AM
My blocking has improve. I can nowblock the death bite move.

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 11:49 AM
[color=#FF8040]Wdf?Are you people talking about the game is still the same speed too me so I dont understand why your having all these problems...Strange how 56k users have like 21 fps or 22 or 23 whatever...They can still beat people with 40 fps easily..=\ And now your crying because the fps is 35...Come on now people your computer speed couldnt have decreased that much or you just have a crappy ass cpu..Only one of my characters that are faster is Ken,sp

raddaman0628
10-09-2004, 11:53 AM
Yeah Baby, Wohoooooooooo, holy mother of god, I know the sagat code!!!!!!!!!!!!!

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 11:57 AM
my sfo still ain't workin it says website not responding can som1 help plz

pip99
10-09-2004, 12:06 PM
HeH ive lost 1 fight and won about 35 since the new game buts its still slower.

SSJKarma
10-09-2004, 12:18 PM
[color=#FF0000]i'm surprised to see how stupid some members are around here !

40 FPS being better 35 gameplay wise ?
you must be kidding me ?
you don't know what FPS is huh to have said that !
FPS = FRAME PER SECONDS as in number of images per seconds, this has completely nothing to do witht he gameplay itself, it doesn't change a single thing, otherwise tmyapp wouldn't have changed it. the fps is nothing more then a way to know if you lag or not, it doesn't even affect gameplay.

your computer is just as fast with or without the last 5 frames, all it does is spip 5 frames which i'm sorry to say , but between 32 and 64 frames per seconds, your eyes doesn't even see the difference.

conclusion, your just giving yourself excuses, i don't know why but gameplay is sure not touched here ! thus you are actually as fast as you normally is, thing is if you slowed down don't put it on the last 5 frames cause it sure isn't that !

as for the charcaters being a tad slower, well it can be since he said they were fixed !
i sure hope spidey kick has been fixed cause sp

vx_unicom
10-09-2004, 12:31 PM
Well said Karma...,as karma mention the last 5 frames didn't effect the gameplay..lol, its disappointing to see how many babies we have around here,(No offence)..,however if you do find a "little change" affecting your style of play..,you simply have to stand by your ground and adapt to the New System... :sneaky2:

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 12:46 PM
can ne1 explain y my sfo still isn't working, is there a new site or something because evrytime i click web version it brings the little window but it saids website not responding. som1 help me

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 12:47 PM
i understand no1 can help a ####ie is dat it
can som1 just tell me y my sfo ain't workin

vx_unicom
10-09-2004, 12:54 PM
i understand no1 can help a ####ie is dat it
can som1 just tell me y my sfo ain't workin
For some reason its not responding at certain sites like arcadepod.com...,i suggest you try this link:Arcade section (http://allgamesfree.com)

$tony$
10-09-2004, 01:04 PM
yo i can play the game but only as player why cant i get in

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 01:08 PM
[quote:post_uid7="vx_unicom"][color=#000000:post_uid7][quote:post_uid7="evryoung8998"]i understand no1 can help a ####ie is dat it
can som1 just tell me y my sfo ain't workin[/quote:post_uid7]
For some reason its not responding at certain sites like arcadepod.com...,i suggest you try this link:Arcade section (http://allgamesfree.com)[/color:post_uid7][/quote:post_uid7]
[color=#000000:post_uid7]thx[/color:post_uid7]

105-1091146135
10-09-2004, 01:34 PM
well good news so far... i wonder wut else is comin? i gues...just have to find out

Bob~Marley4004
10-09-2004, 01:35 PM
yo i can play the game but only as player why cant i get in
I think the login servers were down for a couple of seconds.. try loging in now

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 01:40 PM
yo is der another website xcause streetfighteronline.com ain't workin neither is arcade section

TMyApp
10-09-2004, 01:57 PM
[color=#000000]bitch bitch bitch...

pop99 (and whoever else is backing him up): i got news for all of you... internet speed does not affect your FPS

FPS (ie: Frames Per Second) is determined by the power of your computer (mostly CPU + Video Card)

put a Pentinum 200 computer on an OC12 line .. or T3 .. or some ultra high-speed connection... and u think it will have an advantage over Pentium 4 on a 56k ?? .. if youthink so.. then it is time to read up on how computers and the internet work :biggrin:

... another point... characters like wolver

alamgir
10-09-2004, 02:04 PM
Hmm lol I just realised why my game was so slow. I was running a virus scan with an online scanner. Lol I thought it was finished. but the games fine for me now.

D-Shizznit
10-09-2004, 02:09 PM
[quote:post_uid0="TMyApp"][color=#000000]bitch bitch bitch...

pop99 (and whoever else is backing him up): i got news for all of you... internet speed does not affect your FPS

FPS (ie: Frames Per Second) is determined by the power of your computer (mostly CPU + Video Card)

put a Pentinum 200 computer on an OC12 line .. or T3 .. or some ultra high-speed connection... and u think it will have an advantage over Pentium 4 on a 56k ?? .. if youthink so.. then it is time to read up on how computers and the internet work :biggrin:

... another point... characters like wolver

coolkilla
10-09-2004, 02:11 PM
[quote:post_uid0="TMyApp"][color=#000000]bitch bitch bitch...

pop99 (and whoever else is backing him up): i got news for all of you... internet speed does not affect your FPS

FPS (ie: Frames Per Second) is determined by the power of your computer (mostly CPU + Video Card)

put a Pentinum 200 computer on an OC12 line .. or T3 .. or some ultra high-speed connection... and u think it will have an advantage over Pentium 4 on a 56k ?? .. if youthink so.. then it is time to read up on how computers and the internet work :biggrin:

... another point... characters like wolver

Hadouken2yoursystem
10-09-2004, 02:25 PM
56k power!lol
haha i actually laughed at that lol


cw told me o O...cool.
Lol dont hate on my 56k...I played on 56k in 2002 too lol and cable all through 2003...56k ownage
Man, that's ravin. Man, I played sfo, challenged "legends" and got my ass handed to me in matches i no i should have won. The game is gone. What happened to my precious sfo? And the dl version won't work. THE GREAT GUILEHOSHI IS OUT4THECOUNT.COM for a huge range of great wrestling merchandise!

evryoung8998
10-09-2004, 02:27 PM
wat does he mean clear your browser cache how do i do that and does it affect my computer plz som1 write back

Orlando0
10-09-2004, 03:24 PM
Cause noone likes you. And that attitude ain't helping you.

Anyway it's quite simple:

1.Right click Internet explorer and select properties.
2.Click on delete Temporary files.

I hear they got visual instructions for that. (http://www.maximumspider.com)

DarkKen
10-09-2004, 04:02 PM
the game's FPS is also locked at 35 (and not 40, as seen in all other versions of SFO)... why ?? simple... the last 5 frames are wasted, and could be responsible for creating some of the lag in the game... so... this change was made... and i guess we'll have to see just how well it works



Omg ive just played youve totally wrecked my game. I dont depend on my laggy 56k

i have a 1.2mb connection my advantage has TOTALLY gone i dont think ill be playing sfo hardly ever now.

its totally wrecked my game play i used to be SUPER fast

i logged on and i was like WTF??? The last 5 frames make a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference more then youll ever no.

god dammit man.........

not cool what so ever wtf man..........this is going to cripple all the users with top off the line pcs and go back to givin the advantage to 56k users every1 ive played so far has said how laggy the game was.....

dam man. not a good idea what so ever.


I go check all the tweaks and stuff now

dammit man 35 fps you GOTTA be kiddin me....i cant use wolve or sent anymore cause you need 40 fps to be an effetive player with them.

Serious those 5 frames make a huge difference in lag and packet loss.


but good works and on the tweaks and stuff i guess.

but man you didnt even ask the community if we wanted that..... man.

Im not having a go at you by the way but from my point of view with my pc.

This is just going back to the OLD way of things when 56k users Owned xmvsf ...... but that all changed with the introduction of cable and broadband to the net HeH lets see how other high speed users thing off this " fps lock ".
i'm with ya.. i played today mornin, i thought i was playing on 3/4 normal mode or something...
so slower...
mm.. well im gonna go practice makin banners :biggrin:
and i hope it gets put back to 40 fps or 43... cuz my pc can handle it :biggrin:

mm... and i can't log in



Edited By DarkKen on 1097363104

RyusInvasion
10-09-2004, 06:10 PM
RyusInvasion: give me a few days to make sure the new server of ours is up and running.. then talk to Nferno... we have something else planned for your "kind" (not the Red Sentinel though) :biggrin: ... also, make sure to login with the username: Ryusinvasion and you should have the "Golden Ryu" as your default character... if not, let us know... and i'll deal with it in the next update...
Yea I can use it on Ryusinvasion, I can't wait to see the helper you guys working on for me :sly:

D-Shizznit
10-09-2004, 07:01 PM
RyusInvasion: give me a few days to make sure the new server of ours is up and running.. then talk to Nferno... we have something else planned for your "kind" (not the Red Sentinel though) :biggrin: ... also, make sure to login with the username: Ryusinvasion and you should have the "Golden Ryu" as your default character... if not, let us know... and i'll deal with it in the next update...
Yea I can use it on Ryusinvasion, I can't wait to see the helper you guys working on for me :sly:
Invasion he said your "kind" so i think he means VIPs so mabye were all getting a new helper...

luigibyluigi
10-09-2004, 07:30 PM
ok when is tmyapp going to update the download page

blanka09
10-09-2004, 07:42 PM
RyusInvasion: give me a few days to make sure the new server of ours is up and running.. then talk to Nferno... we have something else planned for your "kind" (not the Red Sentinel though) :biggrin: ... also, make sure to login with the username: Ryusinvasion and you should have the "Golden Ryu" as your default character... if not, let us know... and i'll deal with it in the next update...
Yea I can use it on Ryusinvasion, I can't wait to see the helper you guys working on for me :sly:
Invasion he said your "kind" so i think he means VIPs so mabye were all getting a new helper...
haha.. VIPs?? Dream on :biggrin:

sf6689
10-10-2004, 01:12 AM
Well i must say thnx tmy, for the first time since i have been playin this game, i can block in a 1on1 match

The game seems slower but i will get use to it, if i can block :)

RyusInvasion
10-10-2004, 07:51 AM
RyusInvasion: give me a few days to make sure the new server of ours is up and running.. then talk to Nferno... we have something else planned for your "kind" (not the Red Sentinel though) :biggrin: ... also, make sure to login with the username: Ryusinvasion and you should have the "Golden Ryu" as your default character... if not, let us know... and i'll deal with it in the next update...
Yea I can use it on Ryusinvasion, I can't wait to see the helper you guys working on for me :sly:
Invasion he said your "kind" so i think he means VIPs so mabye were all getting a new helper...
haha.. VIPs?? Dream on :biggrin:
Thank you. :sleepy:

RyusRevenge
10-10-2004, 08:37 AM
ok when is tmyapp going to update the download page
Took the words right from my mouth.

pip99
10-10-2004, 10:55 AM
bitch bitch bitch...

pop99 (and whoever else is backing him up): i got news for all of you... internet speed does not affect your FPS


*smiles* serious man the games more in sycn now and its slowing me down for real.... and i didnt make that point big man.

im saying the 5 frames make a big difference.

Angel-Eyes
10-10-2004, 12:29 PM
yes the blocking has been improved yet again.

RyusInvasion
10-10-2004, 01:21 PM
lol I got some suggestion for me :sarcasm: , the ryu is cool but its like " yellow, green " looks good but cant you make it more gold and if you cant, can you make it like shine or glow like when you do rage factor the red shine make it gold through the whole fight :confused: , and can I get infinity rage factor like I got on my vip because when I want to turn to normal it takes it down and I have to log on RyusInvasion to get it back to 3 then log back on Ryusinvasion to use it I was wondering if you can make it alittle easier for me on the next update, thanks :buttrock:

Angel-Eyes
10-10-2004, 02:07 PM
do you have the red sentinel.....cause I want to see that again......and get some shots too :;):

Bob~Marley4004
10-10-2004, 02:26 PM
You can look forward to a less cheap Sfo World do to the awesome tweaking of characters :biggrin:

TMyApp
10-10-2004, 02:35 PM
luigibyluigi: the downloads page has been updated since... 1.2b 1st went live... just.. *sigh*.. clear u'r cache if you can't see it

RyusInvasion: whoa... "requests" ?? lol ... u'r getting "something" extra now, be happy :biggrin:

the yellow is as good as it gets... and the "glow" you speak of ?? too much work...

also, neither u, the VIP's, or the Mods/NWO's get "unlimited" RF points... everyone gets 3 at the start of the match... when they run out.. "tough luck" :biggrin:

RyusInvasion
10-10-2004, 04:12 PM
luigibyluigi: the downloads page has been updated since... 1.2b 1st went live... just.. *sigh*.. clear u'r cache if you can't see it

RyusInvasion: whoa... "requests" ?? lol ... u'r getting "something" extra now, be happy :biggrin:

the yellow is as good as it gets... and the "glow" you speak of ?? too much work...

also, neither u, the VIP's, or the Mods/NWO's get "unlimited" RF points... everyone gets 3 at the start of the match... when they run out.. "tough luck" :biggrin:
hmm, ok, but mines never run out on RyusInvasion 0 o

And, 1 more thing can you make the goldryu normal, hes evil =/ I use normal way more than I use evil so can you like make him normal by next update =/ :confused:



Edited By RyusInvasion on 1097451893

RyusRevenge
10-10-2004, 10:29 PM
The downloads page has been updated since... 1.2b 1st went live... just.. *sigh*.. clear u'r cache if you can't see it
Cleared cache still cant see the updated version.......only the older version i.e 1.2a.

SSJDan
10-11-2004, 08:49 AM
OMG the blocking works :buttrock:

TMYAPP is a god

~Mastermax~
10-11-2004, 09:43 AM
the fps lock makes sfo much fairer, i mean i am actually on par with other people's speeds, wtf this rocks!

all you assholes complaining about it need to stfubecuase lag is not an advantage...



Edited By ~Mastermax~ on 1097513047

black_dragon22
10-11-2004, 04:35 PM
my gameplay seems the same :confused:
..........or is it ???



Edited By black_dragon22 on 1097537773

blanka09
10-12-2004, 02:36 AM
[color=#000000]I don't know.. I think it's ppl with faster comps that actually notice the big change in the game speed. I know mine has changed a lot. Can't quite throw as many hadoukens in a second as I use to before.

but in any sense, I'd like to congratulate the Ryu users for getting what they want out of sp

blanka09
10-12-2004, 02:39 AM
The downloads page has been updated since... 1.2b 1st went live... just.. *sigh*.. clear u'r cache if you can't see it
Cleared cache still cant see the updated version.......only the older version i.e 1.2a.
U sure you're clearing it the right way?? And maybe delete offline pages while you're at it. Who knows.. that might work :biggrin:

~Mastermax~
10-12-2004, 09:23 AM
well at least he can't quite hadoken 50 times in two seconds, i guess i am the only lagger who can finnally hit higher speeds, 11 fps on variables w00t!!!

TMyApp
10-17-2004, 03:47 AM
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